tabseN: "We are running out of energy, it has been a tough year"

The BIG leader spoke about the team's post-break dip in form and their win conditions in the BLAST Premier Fall Finals in an interview with HLTV.org.

The German side haven't been the same since returning from the player break, having gone six events without a top-four finish, and Johannes "⁠tabseN⁠" Wodarz opened up about what is holding them back, the early elimination from Flashpoint 2, and the upcoming rematch against OG.

One of the eight teams to have climbed to the No.1 spot in the world rankings this year, BIG reached their peak during the summer when they hoisted three trophies from international tournaments. tabseN admitted his side is running out of energy, but also that other teams are catching up, especially those going for "either a sixth player, maybe a new assistant coach, someone to get help from". He noted that BIG aren't thinking about going down that route yet as they "want to just get through this year".

Playing the same teams repeatedly has taken a toll on BIG

In order to do well at BLAST, tabseN noted that the players will have to be on point individually and communicate clearly with one another: "We need to be on the level where we can easily win one of the most important rounds in the clutches."

BIG had a great run of form in the summer, but then Cologne happened and you finished last. Since then, you've had just decent results, 5-8th placings mostly. People say that you are running out of steam and that others are catching up with you. What do you think has been going on with BIG in the last couple of events?

I would definitely say that we are running out of energy, it has been a tough year, every day is the same basically, you prepare for a new tournament, prepare for a new game, and therefore I think it is a bit of both. Running out of energy and teams catching up, they are definitely getting better, you can see it from every team, they are getting either a sixth player, maybe a new assistant coach, someone to get help from.

For us, it has been tough lately to play at the level we used to before the player break, also to maintain the mentality, because as I said, it's the same every time and it's getting really tough to play the same opponents all the time. I'd say those are the main points where we are lacking at the moment, and it's only the little things. We are making the same mistakes all the time and before the player break we were really focused on not making them, and now they are costing us games. We are trying to fix this, at least for the last tournaments.

Is there a way that BIG is going to handle this situation, aside from taking time off in the player break that is coming up. Those things you mentioned: another coach, another player. Is that something you are thinking about?

This is definitely something we will think about and discuss in the future. At the moment, we aren't really thinking about it because we want to just get through this year. We will see what happens, but I would say that is just an addition. If everyone is on the same page it can only help.

You were just eliminated from Flashpoint with two losses in the playoffs, to Virtus.pro and OG, the two finalists. Do you look at it as a disappointing result, especially considering the prize pool of the event?

For us it was really disappointing. We weren't really expecting to reach the final but we expected to at least have better results. In the end, we knew Virtus.pro were on the rise, they had won so many tournaments and games as well, they were in very good shape. The same goes for OG, they are in really good shape at the moment, they have been improving a lot. For us, most of the time we lose to either Vitality or Heroic, or of course the winners of an event.

I've noticed through the player cams that sometimes you have more people at the BIG house for matches and sometimes it is just the three of you [tiziaN, XANTARES and tabseN]. Is that a personal preference or does it indicate how you approach certain events, that you take some of them in a more relaxed way and others more seriously?

At the moment, it is just a matter of preference in terms of where everyone wants to play, also because of the situation with the coronavirus. It's down to where everyone wants to stay and where everyone feels the safest. But in the future, when we'll have an office, we might make plans for some tournaments so that everyone gets to the office and plays from there.

You've been in-game leading for quite some time, people still consider you a new in-game leader, but it's been a while since gob b stepped down from that role. How do you feel as an in-game leader at the moment, especially in this weird era of playing only online?

I would still consider myself a new in-game leader because while gob b was still in the team and we decided to test me as the in-game leader, it wasn't really a good test. When you are playing with your old in-game leader, he still has a lot of influence on the game. Therefore, since we built this new lineup I would say I have definitely surprised myself — maybe not surprised, I knew I could do it because of my character as well, I have a strong voice definitely. I'm confident in myself. Overall I'm satisfied. But it can definitely be better.

tabseN is satisfied with his development as a shotcaller

Going into BLAST, it is a very stacked tournament, only eight teams but all of them capable of lifting the trophy. Talking about your team, what are the win conditions for BIG at BLAST? What needs to go right for you to have another great run as you had in the summer?

One of the most important things is definitely individual skill, we need to be on a level where we can easily win the most important rounds in clutches. A few months ago we were managing to win clutches really often. I also think what we need to have on point is our communication. In some games where we get pressured, a lot the communication gets more hyped, we get more excited, we get more frustrated at some point and we need to try to have it on a constant level. If we manage to do that, I'm pretty sure that we can at least show a bit of a better [version of] BIG, but it also depends on how we go into games. I try to really make sure that we are much better prepared on many more maps and also on the opponents.

The player who has been criticized the most recently is k1to, just looking at the numbers — that is what most people are going to judge players on these days —, his form has been a bit poorer, but he does seem to be kind of an X-factor for BIG in that when he is playing well, the team are performing at their best. What is the deal with getting k1to in form, and why is he in a slump right now — if you agree with the comments?

I do agree to a certain point because people always like to look at the numbers as you say, but for me, I don't really look at them, I always see what I'm getting from him. And what I'm getting is someone playing the hard positions as Terrorist, for example. He doesn't have the easiest task, he needs to gain control, get reads on opponents, which depending on the pressure [he's getting] isn't the easiest thing.

You also need to think that this guy has been playing, if I'm not mistaken, for two, maybe three years, at a professional level. There are people who have been playing professionally for 10 or 12 years. k1to is still a very young gun and I know that, maybe in a few months or maybe a year, he will definitely be much much better. But I'm very confident that he is still one of the best players in Germany, for sure, and that he is always improving. That is the most important thing for us, at least for me.

Going back to your question, I think if I'm playing well, the team is also is playing much better. If you look at our games [during the summer run], no one was carrying the team, I would say we were carrying as a unit, everyone was performing really well, everyone was on the same page, we didn't really make mistakes, everyone played well, and if someone was struggling, we tried to build him up and we just played as a unit really well. I think that's the key factor why we aren't on that level right now.

Something I find interesting is that BIG actually takes part in German competitions. You played the Merkur Masters and will be playing the ESL Meisterschaft in January as well, which is curious. It is weird to see any of the really good teams still playing in the local scene — what's the reason behind that?

The reason behind it is that we enjoy it sometimes, and also it is important to have our sponsors [happy], they like to see that, and of course, we want to be the No.1 team in Germany. We are one of the best teams in the world right now and we probably don't need to play these local things, but it is also because of the German scene, it is a little bit lacking in some ways, and I would say that without us the German scene would not be anywhere near the level it is at right now.

Returning to BLAST, your first game is against OG, who eliminated you from Flashpoint. How do you see that game transpiring? When you are playing all of these teams over and over again, how do you even go into matches? Do you need to reinvent the wheel or is it going to be the small things that you need to focus on?

We definitely don't need to invent a new wheel. It has been the same maps every single time in the matchup, and we'll have the same maps again. So we just need to really understand the situation. For example, when we played OG in Flashpoint we had a really nice lead, but we managed to not get any rounds after that, we were leading 7-1 on Dust2 and managed to have an 8-7 half as Terrorists, that is actually a really bad half on my book. But we are just focusing on the little things and I think this time we will be much better prepared, also on their pick, and I think this time we will make sure that we are getting there.

Germany Johannes 'tabseN' Wodarz
Johannes 'tabseN' Wodarz
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1588
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.70
#1
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Germany Germania
Yes, we could see this in the last matches. It was all downhill after their pre-summerbreak-run. Hopefully they can recover and have a great start in 2020v2. But they will never be better than GOATSTRALIS.
2020-12-09 12:17
21 replies
sad jerman above me
2020-12-09 12:20
5 replies
sad murican above me
2020-12-09 14:34
4 replies
below you
2020-12-09 14:35
3 replies
above me
2020-12-09 14:38
2 replies
inside of me
2020-12-10 00:27
1 reply
lul
2020-12-10 21:10
#GoBIGorGoHome
2020-12-09 12:17
1 reply
running out of luck*
2020-12-09 16:51
+1 btw comparing big to goatstralis is a big offend XD 12313x major winners vs 0, oh c'mon bruh.... never do that again HAH big was, is, and will always be an inconsistent team, results have been showing that since gob was on the team as well, just free money for jermans.........
2020-12-09 12:35
7 replies
they are actually pretty consistent, like tabsen said in the interview they almost always get kicked out of events by the eventual winner/finalist. They barely lose to teams outside of the top10. If they can get up their individual form they can go for tournament wins again.
2020-12-09 13:30
6 replies
Read your comment and you’ll realize u just said it urself.. that theyre inconsistent.
2020-12-09 13:45
4 replies
What he meant is that they are consistent at a certain level but inconsistent above that level
2020-12-09 14:01
3 replies
so TLDR: inconsistent when it matters thats what u just said, rite?
2020-12-09 14:08
1 reply
Nope when you have an 1.2 rating all the time you lose to 1.23 rating but you still consistent. You are stupid or a shit hater otherwise you could do the math alone. goat User.
2020-12-09 14:36
+1
2020-12-09 14:27
edit: wrong comment
2020-12-09 14:00
Online era and it was tough for big What shld you even expect from this team then now?
2020-12-09 12:58
3 replies
They were Top1 for quite some time. :) They defeated giants as an underdog. 2-0ed NAVI twice etc. That's why ppl love this team. Salty haters like you proves how great they are. XD
2020-12-09 14:19
2 replies
>yes when rankings literally went irrelevant along with teams or "umderdogs" as you state like heroic eg and vitality (without winning anything) were competing for the top 1 rank Although big undeniably played good and performed infact as the underdogs Given the online era provided comfort to the team big, and you just can't deny the fact that they came into relevance after the matches shifted from cables. That being so tough for the team to be in par with was what surprised me. And that came of as hate to you, and that too so obvious that you join the adjective salty before my name? That just doesn't make you a realistic fan at all
2020-12-09 15:09
"Ppl love this team" You mean: "jermans like this team"?
2020-12-09 17:02
+1
2020-12-09 16:03
need energy drinks
2020-12-09 12:16
mager
2020-12-09 12:16
#4
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Jordan Zereeni
They'll dominate when lan comes back just wait
2020-12-09 12:16
7 replies
keep dreaming
2020-12-09 12:20
They have syrson the biggest sus onliner in the scene , he never has a cam and you never see him play. Just watch him drop to a sub 1 rating when LAN comes.
2020-12-09 13:36
5 replies
He has no cam cuz he has DSL 1000. That means 100KB/S Download and 30kb/s upload....
2020-12-09 14:38
2 replies
#112
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Germany marxizm
And he plays in some village, when I see him play on FPL his ping is always above 60 or 70
2020-12-09 16:51
Internet in Deutschland...
2020-12-09 17:15
syrsoN is the last guy who would cheat
2020-12-09 17:19
1 reply
LMAOOOO
2020-12-09 17:55
#5
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Portugal BraZGod
only have energy coz online era
2020-12-09 12:16
Drink a redbull, tf?!?
2020-12-09 12:16
#7
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Russia Jmishenko
who cars, vp >>>>>>>>>>> big
2020-12-09 12:17
13 replies
No way. Check my name
2020-12-09 12:18
12 replies
#14
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Russia Jmishenko
jame is very underrated
2020-12-09 12:18
nt mehmet
2020-12-09 13:22
4 replies
Nt Pasha
2020-12-10 20:41
3 replies
nt mehmet
2020-12-10 21:17
2 replies
nt innocent
2020-12-11 20:40
1 reply
nt mehmet
2020-12-11 21:21
niceee
2020-12-09 13:58
Kkkk Mr comedy kekekekekekekek
2020-12-09 15:10
4 replies
Nt me ibuypower
2020-12-10 20:42
3 replies
nt mehmet
2020-12-10 21:02
2 replies
Nt rallen
2020-12-11 20:39
1 reply
nt mehmet
2020-12-11 21:22
Lost energy from losing at home LOL?
2020-12-09 12:17
#10
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Poland Adelay
oh shit, i bet on BIG in match vs OG
2020-12-09 12:17
Onliners, luck ran out eventuallyyy
2020-12-09 12:17
#17
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Hungary saxxo
"IT HAS BEEN A TOUGH YEAR" If there is a team which can enjoy the "benefits" of the virus, it is the BiG. They would have never reached the top5 in the real lan area.
2020-12-09 12:28
12 replies
#28
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Brazil logzera
probably right
2020-12-09 12:39
+1 true lol
2020-12-09 12:39
reminder that this lineup has won 12/13 maps on LAN this year. Until you see them play a big LAN this is a baseless statement.
2020-12-09 13:32
7 replies
Ah yes, flashpoint global qualifier and dreamhack leipzig, some of the most honored and prestigious events in CS history
2020-12-09 15:35
5 replies
thats all we have for this lineup though, or are you gonna compare this lineup with the one with players like legija, gob, nex, denis, smooya etc?
2020-12-09 16:20
4 replies
I'm saying your point is disingenuous since they played in tier 5 lans
2020-12-09 16:21
3 replies
no its not at all, my point is that you cant call a lineup onliners that have literally won everything they could on LAN. Also DH Leipzig was more T2 than T5 (BIG, Heroic, VP, Mad Lions, North, Sprout, RNG). Im obviously not going to say this team is tier 1 LAN proven but when people think of BIG on LAN they think of the old lineups which had laughable firepower and could still make it work in majors or cologne.
2020-12-09 16:33
2 replies
Thats not how it works, u prove urself first, then u get the benefit of the doubt. Given big have never proven they could perform at real t1 lans, they dont get the benefit of the doubt. For example, even tho its been a year since weve had lans, we can still assume astralis would be good, they get that benefit if the doubt dispite not proving themselves for a year. Big dont get that
2020-12-13 13:08
1 reply
Thats not how it works during Covid. Its not like they are dodging lans. All 5 players have played LANs and under the old BIG roster they had some very good performances vs the best teams in the world despite very bad firepower (Legija, gob, denis...). k1to and syrson have played quite a few DH Opens where they performed very well. And thats the information were working with. Like i said many times, im not saying that this lineup is S tier LAN proven and would necessarily reverse sweep BO5 finals in front of a big crowd. But neither are they onliners. All we can do is wait for the first LANs next year.
2020-12-13 13:15
+1
2020-12-09 17:22
That doesn't mean the work they put in is not exhausting. You took a cit in another context the player talk about. I hope you never write a science paper
2020-12-09 14:40
very true....he should be thankful enough
2020-12-09 15:00
#19
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Korea zeppyxdxd
ALL IN 5$ OG
2020-12-09 12:30
is it just me or does anyone else loves these esport interviews... no stupid standard phrases, nicee insights and honest opinions... sth that lacks so much in traditional sports nowadays ...
2020-12-09 12:31
He is right. Same and same teams every week its exhausting
2020-12-09 12:32
can someone make a BIG excuse list why they perform shit? like mibr's but then for biggy XDD 😋 😋
2020-12-09 12:33
2 replies
Pray for SPIN_DEFUSER to comeback 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
2020-12-09 12:51
1 reply
++++11
2020-12-09 13:10
its normal, BIG have grinding for qualyfing into the RMR as well, climbing to tier 1 and so. they are still performing pretty decent tho
2020-12-09 12:44
1 reply
+1
2020-12-09 12:46
Just kick zantares
2020-12-09 12:44
has been a long year. What do you need? More money to your salary? 20k not enough?
2020-12-09 12:51
10 replies
Exactly. Just dont play so many tournaments lmao
2020-12-09 12:52
BIG players dont make 20k a month i would be suprised if they even make more than 10k
2020-12-09 13:02
8 replies
20k, 10k, 5k, ffs 2k for a month is a lot of money. They are really good Cs players, but they should still understand how unbelievably privileged they are to be in their positions. Pros of the past probably made 500eur and shat their pants from happiness. :D
2020-12-09 13:03
7 replies
yeah but thats not really a good argument sure they are privileged in the sense that they have their passion/hobby as a job but you also have to see that these people dont work 9-5 jobs. They sleep for idk 7-8 hours and then practice with their teams/play fpl/solo aim training for basicly the rest of the day
2020-12-09 13:05
6 replies
wow. thats really heavy.
2020-12-09 13:07
5 replies
pretty sure it is would you enjoy working your job 15 hours a day?
2020-12-09 13:08
4 replies
they are not working 15day. FPL and solo Aim training are not even mandatory.
2020-12-09 13:09
3 replies
It is kind of mandatory to compete at this level. You cannot stay at the top without devoting extra time to your team and your individual level.
2020-12-09 13:57
2 replies
tell that to olofmeister lmao dumbass
2020-12-09 17:57
1 reply
He's barely played for a long time and has just started playing again...
2020-12-09 18:05
tizian needs to stop eating snacks during matches, tabsen had great cs carrier but getting old now and need to be replaced by calyx asap.
2020-12-09 12:58
1 reply
#55
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Germany BIG2020
dude those snacks are making him strong.
2020-12-09 13:41
then rest bruh
2020-12-09 13:00
Their FPL online style is no longer working
2020-12-09 13:17
Any big event they won in LAN's? They will be no where in top 10 once LAN returns
2020-12-09 13:27
5 replies
+1 i wanna see how big and heroic perform on lan and maybe complexity
2020-12-09 13:30
1 reply
complexity won astralis and vitality on lan
2020-12-09 14:34
#56
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Germany BIG2020
12/13 maps won on LAN this year.
2020-12-09 13:42
2 replies
I said tournament win as 1st prize winners . Let's see then I will comment on them
2020-12-09 14:03
1 reply
Dreamhack Leipzig. The thing is, the current lineup hasnt really played many lans
2020-12-09 20:08
It was just a fluke because everyone else sucked
2020-12-09 13:45
3 replies
flag XD
2020-12-09 14:01
2 replies
Name flair and flag XD
2020-12-09 14:14
1 reply
XDD-DDDD Fugggg
2020-12-09 14:19
#59
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
astralis burnt out after 4 major wins, big burnt out after... 1 s-tier event win?
2020-12-09 13:55
1 reply
My thought exactly. Astralis been grinding since 2017-18 and still showing new looks in 2020. BiG cry after 6 months.
2020-12-09 17:05
tough year? you got paid for PLAYING ONLINE without travelling. OMFG
2020-12-09 14:00
1 reply
That is harder than working on mines as an african child, what do you mean.
2020-12-09 14:15
tabseN <3
2020-12-09 14:01
#67
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Poland grapeeeee
Guys, xantares speak ger????
2020-12-09 14:02
4 replies
#149
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Turkey Xympo
learning
2020-12-11 18:19
3 replies
#156
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Poland grapeeeee
But Big is communicating in ENG or GER
2020-12-13 03:28
#157
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Poland grapeeeee
I think he should speak German affter years in big
2020-12-13 03:28
1 reply
lol
2020-12-09 14:37
#84
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Poland SebL
I'm not surprised that BIG lost to OG and Virtus.Pro, both of those teams seem better atm. I think BIG won't comeback to no.1 with this roster. I think OG is going to crush them today.
2020-12-09 14:43
why don't they just drink energydrinks like megis or es
2020-12-09 14:54
Complaining about energy when 2-3 of their players keep playing FPL until 5am in the morning.
2020-12-09 15:00
Tabsen is actually one the players I feel like doesn't get enough credit for the work he's done
2020-12-09 15:04
#93
Bymas | 
Kuwait roye
nice excuse, when i told big is just lucky or others just suck no one believed me everyone was laughing, looks whos laughing now. me
2020-12-09 15:14
They will find their place in the top 10. On good days they can easily beat almost everybody (maybe except Vitality) and on bad days they lose against tier 2 teams. Thats the BIG we know. ;)
2020-12-09 15:30
#96
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Sweden Zeepter
such a tough year for csgo players. Playing on a computer while nurses and doctors all over the world are fighting Covid and fire fighters risking their life to save people. But sure, tough year for 5 guys playing computer online...........................................................
2020-12-09 15:41
2 replies
Xd
2020-12-09 17:11
that post gave me cringe
2020-12-14 18:40
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF ENERGY, IT HAS BEEN A TOUGH YEAR yea its hard to be in home everyday and getting 20k + every month to play videogame. what a fucking joke crybabys Pampered , if there was lans okey i would agree with him but cmonBruh people working in the street everyday in the rain for 7k per month even less and theyre not crying , say thanks you live the dream and sftu.
2020-12-09 15:57
4 replies
Wtf are you writing little boy? People earning 7k for working in the streets? 7k danish plastic money maybe? What do you know about working? about salary? Nothing at all!
2020-12-09 16:11
2 replies
nt tabsen alt acc
2020-12-09 16:47
he is talking about hookers obviously "working in the street for 7k pr month " lmao
2020-12-09 16:54
you cannot compare normal workers with professional cs players, just like in football. it is not about working hard, it is about burnouts etc. like astralis or north. it is about not being able to concentrate for 10 hours 7 days a week and to perform at your best every time. normal workers don't have to work 8 hours a day to get maximum brain power. if you have the same opponents, weapons, colours, voices and sequences 5 hours a day, you cannot give 100% at one stroke after so many months. The human body is not designed to perform 100% on the same thing every day.
2020-12-09 16:16
#99
FASHR | 
Netherlands EFR89
Keep up the good work tabsen and BIG :-) I enjoy your matches a lot. Of course I hope to see you get no1 again.
2020-12-09 16:05
Still a consistent TOP5 team, that should be considered a success in this turbulent year.
2020-12-09 16:07
#103
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Estonia qoznyyy
more like back to your old self, and ran out of luck
2020-12-09 16:16
Who is big
2020-12-09 16:33
BRA71L?
2020-12-09 16:38
just buy monster energy, maybe u become a monster
2020-12-09 16:39
TabseN pls no pussy move... Beißen bitte!!
2020-12-09 17:10
Ahhh... must've been so exhausting attending so many LANs in 2020
2020-12-09 17:10
1 reply
#129
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Russia pochesun
+1
2020-12-09 18:10
#124
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Biske
Honestly its a bit true because they played more matches than they should have(if lans were the thing in 2020)
2020-12-09 18:01
At least, Tabsen indirectly telling us they will lose to OG again xD
2020-12-09 18:07
3 replies
got bamboozled
2020-12-09 22:38
TabseN baiting wtf
2020-12-10 14:21
1 reply
lol I commented when they were down 10-5 hehe
2020-12-10 15:42
I mean for real? BIG is one of the fluke teams out there. Burn bright for one tournament and then being irrelevant for the rest of the year. Happened before when they had an amazing run at Cologne 2018 and then disappeared. Now they won DH Master in the Summer and now struggle to find any forms.
2020-12-09 18:09
5 replies
#133
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Finland s0RR
NA cs btw
2020-12-09 20:48
3 replies
finnish cs is trash compared to usa.
2020-12-10 20:46
2 replies
#150
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Finland s0RR
Yea you are right NA Cs is dead, everyone is switching to valo xD
2020-12-11 19:09
yea, liquid with 2 canadians, complexity with 1 american, cloud9 with one american. eg with 3 americans.. xd great scenes bro.
2020-12-11 20:45
they won 4 tourneys in 2020(DH masters, dh open summer, summit 6 RMR) and one being LAN in the beginning of the year (DH Leipzig). they won more than current "top1" and other teams in the top10
2020-12-09 22:57
#128
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Russia pochesun
More like " We are running out of cheats."
2020-12-09 18:09
2 replies
#131
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Turkey Rheniel
learn to make sense before commenting pls
2020-12-09 20:09
1 reply
#132
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Russia pochesun
sure mate, i probably should borrow that ability from ur compatriot, loba.
2020-12-09 20:24
#134
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France Docrom2
cheat coder in holidays ?
2020-12-09 21:59
#139
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Norway ZapR
Just sleep lol
2020-12-10 14:44
BiG is only an online team. Thet won't win anything in big lan tournaments.
2020-12-11 09:47
#148
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Hungary szia
Nice that they are still very active in the German scene :D
2020-12-11 11:44
big should just disband tbh overrated online only fraud team
2020-12-13 20:57
OMEGALUL YES ITS THOUGHT WHEN YOU ARE NOOOOB
2020-12-19 06:49
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