BLAST teams refute CSPPA claims: "Issues have already been resolved"

The group of teams said that the issues raised on Tuesday by the player association were addressed before the Showdown stage.

The 11 organisations that are partnered with BLAST for the Fall season and the three non-partners whose teams are competing in the BLAST Premier Fall Finals — mousesports, FURIA and BIG — have issued a joint statement to address the player protest that took place on Tuesday. The group claims that the players' issues regarding the recording, storing, and sharing of voice communications and screen recordings were already resolved before the BLAST Premier Fall Showdown kicked off, more than two weeks ago.

"The teams and all Tournament Organisers, including BLAST, have worked, are working, and will continue to work together to ensure that any and all of our players' needs pertaining their participation are met to the extent possible," said the statement, which has been shared on social media by organisations like G2, Liquid and NAVI. "As a result of this already successful partnership between the parties, BLAST resolved the issues raised around the usage of voice comms already on November 23rd."

BLAST teams stated that CSPPA did not contact them about the matter

The statement is a reply to the protest launched by the Counter-Strike Professional Players' Association (CSPPA) on Monday, which saw players deny BLAST access to voice and video recordings due to concerns regarding privacy and PC performance. It quickly became a heated topic of discussion in the community and led to the match between Vitality and mousesports starting almost three hours later than planned. The impasse was settled after BLAST agreed to discuss the matter with the CSPPA, mousesports' Chris "⁠chrisJ⁠" de Jong, who is part of the association's board of players, wrote on Twitter.

According to the CSPPA, the players took a stance after "BLAST declined to discuss" this matter with them. But in response, the 14 organisations claimed that the CSPPA didn't follow proper channels when addressing the issue as the player association neglected to contact the teams.

"We fail to understand how and why CSPPA are involved in trying to raise concerns with an already resolved issue, without our knowledge or any form of previous communication," the teams said.

The group of teams also urged "both the community and our players to raise their concerns through the proper channels", so they can continue improving players' conditions "inside and outside the game."

HLTV.org knows that one of the changes implemented by BLAST following feedback from teams is that desk talent no longer has access to Teamspeak. In its statement, the CSPPA said that voice communications "were shared with analysts and others, which led to sensitive tactical information and personal information being shared among people in the community."

One of the team owners, speaking on condition of anonymity, lashed out at the CSPPA, saying the association's goal is to "create chaos" by putting players and organisations against each other. The person also called for the CSPPA "to be stopped" for the sake of the Counter-Strike landscape.

"The true intentions behind the CSPPA are not rooted in the greater good," the team owner told HLTV.org. "They want commercial profits for their own pockets, and they make those happen through the opportunities they create by dismantling the functioning systems around them. The methods used by the people involved have been well documented in other sports for many years, but a new industry like esports doesn't know about this. It's their perfect environment.

"It's about creating divide and conflict - them vs us. A true organisation representing players wouldn't do any of those things, and they certainly would not act as agents. It would operate transparently and collaboratively with an open agenda about what they are trying to accomplish so that we could enter productive dialogue, all stakeholders together, and players would be proud members.

"Player breaks, world rankings, etc., are all things that we already evaluate and negotiate together on a running basis, and the existence of CSPPA has not changed that in any way, despite the constant false claims or sensationalism popping up. The vast majority of teams have never had a single conversation with CSPPA - of course. Because why would the CSPPA do it? They have no actual interest in making things better. That's their style. Confusion, misinformation and use whatever they can to create chaos. Then get the community on board like a PR spin. They are up to no good and need to be stopped, so genuine entities can exist and help bring esports into the mainstream."

HLTV.org has reached out to CSPPA CEO Mads Øland for comment.

Luís Mira contributed to this story.

Netherlands Chris 'chrisJ' de Jong
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#1
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Europe _Tacoo
cool
2020-12-09 18:48
4 replies
we waited 3 hours for nothing
2020-12-09 18:48
2 replies
lol
2020-12-09 18:53
#69
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Israel xazetti
Didn't have time to watch the navi astralis game cause of CSPPA general tism. painful.
2020-12-09 21:46
CSPPA kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-12-09 18:55
interesting
2020-12-09 18:48
Good
2020-12-09 18:49
LMAO
2020-12-09 18:49
epic
2020-12-09 18:49
#7
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Poland v1ctorex
xd
2020-12-09 18:49
#8
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Serbia LtN))
lol
2020-12-09 18:49
cool story bro
2020-12-09 18:49
One of the team owners, speaking on condition of anonymity, lashed out at the CSPPA, saying the association's goal is to "create chaos" by putting players and organisations against each other. The person also called for the CSPPA "to be stopped" for the sake of the Counter-Strike landscape. "The true intentions behind the CSPPA are not rooted in the greater good," the team owner told HLTV.org. "They want commercial profits for their own pockets OOOOOOF, i agree tho
2020-12-09 18:50
6 replies
#18
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Europe BEAR_XD
Hltv not biased Pog
2020-12-09 18:53
based
2020-12-09 19:35
How do they profit from chaos??
2020-12-10 00:29
3 replies
#79
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World Beard43
They don't anymore men, Chaos left CS.
2020-12-10 01:54
1 reply
200 IQ
2020-12-10 11:53
Yo le noob, I Guess if the scène is in a state of chaos and distrust between everyone, players would be in dire need of agents, which most of the CSPPA seem to be.
2020-12-16 09:05
No one in this world knows how to fucking communicate, it seems. Btw funny how an anonymous voice says the group he represents wants transparency and lashes out at CSPAA, who all show their names, for not wanting transparency.
2020-12-09 19:01
3 replies
You do realize transparency is a bit more than showing names right? Or are you just trolling?
2020-12-09 22:04
2 replies
Ofc I know that, lol. CSPPA is quite open about their brand cases. They represent their information to the public - signed. It doesn't really take anything away from the fact that calling for transparency while hiding your identity is ironic, because the claims in this article are very serious accusations against CSPPA.
2020-12-09 22:12
1 reply
And from what came about the last few days on Twitter most of it is correct and there's even more apparent, their "transparency" is nothing but PR nothing about them is actually truly transparent, otherwise, some of the stuff coming out wouldn't be big revelations.
2020-12-10 22:40
jokers
2020-12-09 18:51
*Three hours after
2020-12-09 18:51
bunch of clowns
2020-12-09 18:52
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Doesn't make any sense, if the issues were resolved before than why did players refuse to play? Why didn't their orgs forced them to play if there wasnt any issue? Why did they only agreed on playing after Blast assured that they will get in talks with CSPPA? This all just feels like a PR cover up with Orgs saving Blast's ass. CSPPA did the right thing and I think we all agree on how they communicated this was in a bad manner but these are 2 conflicting points!
2020-12-09 18:53
9 replies
Looks weird as hell, some "person" trashing CSPPA, Just believe him, like???
2020-12-09 19:16
8 replies
#43
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Denmark MeToxi
Yesterday launders tweeted that they haven't had access to the comms for the last 2 events. And launders were absolutely malding because of the wait times which were basically over nothing. twitter.com/launders/status/133634776025..
2020-12-09 19:31
7 replies
I saw that, i dont get the protest if it was for nothing
2020-12-09 19:39
6 replies
#49
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Denmark MeToxi
Well, as said in the article, apparently the CSPPA never contacted the teams which I find odd as usually a unions job is to get better terms for the employees (players) by negotiating with the employers (teams)
2020-12-09 19:42
5 replies
It looks shady from both sides also #45
2020-12-09 19:44
4 replies
#54
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Denmark MeToxi
I would assume that the CSPPA would be professional enough to know that the teams as partners would have agreements with the TO where not all the information would be disclosed with the players. I mean, I don't know anything surrounding who knew what but if the teams weren't informed about what the CSPPA were planning then its fully on CSPPA for the miscommunication. Its important for them to let all the parties know what the players want.
2020-12-09 19:53
3 replies
This info does concern the players though? "we resolved the issue dont boycott in blast" surely wouldnt be something the org keeps NDA? And if it was simple matter then the talks would continue 10-20 mins not 2 hours
2020-12-09 19:56
2 replies
#59
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Denmark MeToxi
How would the teams know that CSPPA were going to boycott blast if not informed?
2020-12-09 20:14
1 reply
The orgs told the players the issue is resolved presumably and some of them are in it so i dont know how that shit happens honestly
2020-12-09 20:24
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Canada GGNORE33
Again some backstage shit is going on and lots of $ are involved :)
2020-12-09 18:52
Now this is a proper and coordinated PR move
2020-12-09 18:54
Paid for by BLAST? There is literally not a single source for anything written in this article more than ChrisJ's tweet, nice writing. "The other teams" could just as well be the PR coordinator at BLAST lol.
2020-12-09 18:57
5 replies
The statement from the teams is signed by all 11 partners and by FURIA, mousesports and BIG, as explained in the opening paragraph. What are you talking about?
2020-12-09 19:06
3 replies
So the source is "MIRAA - HLTV.org"?
2020-12-09 19:10
2 replies
It's a statement issued by 14 organisations. They've posted it on their social media channels.
2020-12-09 19:14
1 reply
3 massive paragraphs from an "owner" with only accusations doesn't look like good journalism tbh.
2020-12-10 17:54
Yea, it literally says that ALL the teams issued the joint statement saying the CSPPA was shit.
2020-12-09 19:47
CSPPA has always been a joke. Fuckers dont deserve shit in the scene.
2020-12-09 19:04
bruh moment
2020-12-09 19:05
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Sweden RaaCCooN
ez
2020-12-09 19:06
CSPPA is an absolute fucking joke. Some random dudes tweeting shit without consulting half of the teams. Maybe they should spend their time representing those who need it the most - the T2 teams.
2020-12-09 19:07
2 replies
They don't do that because they don't get easy paychecks for stepping up for t2 teams. csppa is a joke
2020-12-09 20:05
1 reply
+1
2020-12-09 20:18
i dont understand why CSPPA exists anymore
2020-12-09 19:09
CSPPA disband when?
2020-12-09 19:10
easy for csppa aka useless crap
2020-12-09 19:10
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Europe euro2k
uh shit I'm hoping it's not but that might be the nail in the coffin of chrisJ's career in mouz :(
2020-12-09 19:15
#39
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Spain T[]mB
Wow. An anonymous owner going against the players union. Same old song. If owners and TOs were the only one ones to decide "with the players" nothing would stop them from doing whatever they want, get players even more burnout and a crazier calendar, if that is possible. They think eSports can be run outside of labor policies and laws
2020-12-09 19:21
2 replies
all teams in the blast have co-signed that statement
2020-12-09 19:38
Yeah bro every org owner wants his players to get burnouts. We know it from boxing every coach wants his champ to get K.O.ed. We know it from football, Bayern owner wants his best 5 players to be ill.
2020-12-10 02:59
#40
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Denmark Stryfe
Provide source of the team owner? Provide real sources, if you want to deliver real news. Would add some legitimacy to this article.
2020-12-09 19:25
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United States sting^
where is the joint statement?
2020-12-09 19:29
2 replies
Several teams, like G2, Liquid and NAVI, have posted it on their social media channels
2020-12-09 19:32
1 reply
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United States sting^
thank you.
2020-12-09 19:34
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France Snabe_
This article is irrevelant for me without the name of the "team owner". To add some infos: twitter.com/CSGOALEX/status/133673982870..
2020-12-09 19:35
1 reply
Alex the trust worthy source. Navi g2 liquid retweet blast message they are obv agree with blast statement. And liquid and g2 are orgs that are kind to their players...
2020-12-10 07:19
KKKKKKKKKKK omg
2020-12-09 19:45
#52
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Russia INNESOR
Ez decision: FUCK CSPPA
2020-12-09 19:46
CSPPA is dangerous and needs to be stopped as fast as possible. Why should a shady association teamed up with a few well settled players represent an entire community? I don't see them acting for the benefit of T2 or T3 teams, the ones that actually suffer with calendar overload, connection issues, match fixing and bad contracts. Bunch of con-men full of shit.
2020-12-09 20:13
1 reply
Couldn't agree more but sadly a lot of the community seems to be blinded by the few pros working with the CSPPA to look past their PR-Statements and dubious claims at what they've really done, which is basically nothing, and who else has shares and control over that entity.
2020-12-09 22:09
Axaxaxa. Nice try CSPPA racketeers. gtfo
2020-12-09 20:14
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Poland SebL
Seems like everyone is against CSPPA already.
2020-12-09 20:15
Either orgs r being paid by blast to throw shit on CSPPA or CSPPA trying to be relevant n orgs r afraid that they cant manipulate/control players like they used to do if CSPPA continue to intervene . Either way is not good for CS . CSPPA should communicate with team orgs through proper channel
2020-12-09 20:15
1 reply
When did CSPPA do something not for the benefit of themselves or T1 teams?
2020-12-09 20:17
These feuds are crap. Both CSPPA AND org owners are shady pieces of trash. No one is in the right here except that players are caught in the middle, as usual
2020-12-09 20:19
this "team owner" is most likely astralis' owners. fellers who have a shares in both blast and astralis org. fucking shill won't even show his name.
2020-12-09 20:32
6 replies
fact is the issue they boycott was already solves weeks ago. So you can think what you want about the team owner, but facts are facts.
2020-12-09 22:18
5 replies
it wasn't solved as games were delayed anyway. that proves it wasn't solved to everyone's satisfaction. you know why this "team owner" has stayed anonymous, but still had to cry about it on hltv? its obviously because there's a conflict of interest.. otherwise this person wouldn't care about putting his name to the article.
2020-12-10 07:05
4 replies
The orgs make the contracts. They pay the salary. If the players have a problem they have to boycott their orgs. Not the TO. So anyway the boycott was a public shit show. Karma is a bitch and mouz got kicked yesterday And what namens? You find direct tweets from Navi etc in the article. They agree with blast statement. There is nothing anonymous here.
2020-12-10 07:13
3 replies
you forget that the orgs might have said, "ok apex and chris--- you guys can contact blast and tell them we have a problem" and then blast said no we dont, thus they protested. nothing anonymous in the article? aahahah you have my friend have the attention span of a child. go read it again..
2020-12-10 07:23
2 replies
If some orgs as Navi share the statement, then they also agree with the statement in this news. Simple as that. A child would understand that. So do your homework...
2020-12-10 07:31
1 reply
refuting my point by pointing out an org that doesn't care about the issue is not refuting my point about anonymity. it just indicates that some organizations don't care about the issue. some organizations like navi can actually offer offices and probably even housing for their players to play in. others will get recorded in their home setting. plus their orgs might have signed this deal for the players and like i said in #87, they might have said to the players go talk to blast. i don't understand why you felt need to ignore the fact almost half of this article is written by an anonymous person lashing out at the actions of csppa, crying about creating genuine entities when that guy can't even put his name to the article.. just remember to never forget that some guy who bought hltv also works in astralis group.. oh, what happened to rfrsh (BLAST owner) which used to own astralis? they sold it, but the same guy is still runs both companies..just pulling more wool over the eyes. no wonder why whoever wrote that lower piece of the article stayed anonymous. and this "team owner" is crying about "genuine entities" hahahah what a joke.
2020-12-10 07:52
this is all shady: anonymous comments, unclear intentions on all sides, and public/journalists don't know the full story it's all a sadness for counter-strike tbh of course the responsability is on VALVE and Gaben only because they refuse too coordinate this profissionalization of the game.
2020-12-09 21:26
1 reply
Navi owner isn't anonymous or why should navi share this message??
2020-12-09 22:31
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Europe KittyChamp
RIP CSPPA
2020-12-09 21:39
All these organization employes you know casters and anlyzers etc coming out so strong to defend it and attack players for wanting to have a voice is disgusting they are paid fools and anyone who listens to them should reconsider it... its like they wanna supress everything and have their own way and when players react they try to shut them down... """"communist vibes"""
2020-12-09 23:26
2 replies
don't act like you know what's really going down because you probably don't, particularly seeing you know very little about politics and even so think you should comment
2020-12-10 00:32
Orgs should say "you wanna make the deals with the TO Mr. Player, then leave and your wasted 10k salary is for a player who wanna play bye bye bye"
2020-12-10 07:16
lmfaooo
2020-12-09 23:55
Come on, the main problem not raised in this one-sided article is why Vitality and Mousesports refused to play for three hours. If they didn't know about CSPPA's initiative, why did they support it? Also, CSPPA's voice is not represented in the text at all. HLTV, this is not good journalism.
2020-12-10 06:40
I love how this just prove everything I said that day despite how many attacked me for it. The way they choose to deal with it was only bad for the teams. players and the sport it self. Even if there was an issue to begin with the way they choose to deal with it worked against everything they wanted to achieve.
2020-12-10 08:03
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Turkey erturkgg
easy for rfrsh
2020-12-10 10:22
unions
2020-12-10 11:14
CSPPA is a fucking joke.
2020-12-10 20:09
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