Envy to put CS:GO division on hold*

11/1/2021 - 18:06

The organization will place the entire roster on the transfer list.

*Update: Thomas "⁠Thomas⁠" Utting has confirmed that he has been placed on the transfer list and stated that he is free to explore other options.

*Update 2: Envy have announced that its current team has been disbanded.

Envy are set to withdraw from CS:GO, HLTV.org has learned. The whole lineup around Noah "⁠Nifty⁠" Francis will be placed on the transfer list and go their separate ways after playing just one tournament in four months of the current constellation's existence.

The Dallas-based organization will pull out of the game, at least for the time being, despite the $2 million investment it made in 2020 as a founding member of Flashpoint, and despite its co-owner and Chief Gaming Officer, Mike "hastr0" Rufail, stating in November that Envy had reserved a larger budget for CS:GO for 2021 than in the previous three years.

In a recent Twitter exchange with journalist Jarek "DeKay" Lewis, Rufail spoke about the difficulties in operating in CS:GO in the current climate from an economic standpoint and shared that the organization was evaluating all options, including not spending the budget it had allocated.

Envy entered CS:GO in early 2015 with the signing of the DreamHack Winter 2014 Major-winning LDLC roster led by Vincent "⁠Happy⁠" Schopenhauer. The organization went on to clinch a Major title at DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca later that year, but over the course of the following two years the French roster dropped off and was eventually scrapped in mid-2018.

Envy then signed a North American lineup featuring names such as Nifty, Josh "⁠jdm64⁠" Marzano, and Stephen "⁠reltuC⁠" Cutler, which struggled to make an impact on the international scene. That led to another overhaul of the team in 2020, when the organization transitioned to a European-majority team with the signings of Buğra "⁠Calyx⁠" Arkın, Michał "⁠MICHU⁠" Müller, Nikola "⁠LEGIJA⁠" Ninić, and Thomas.

The following lineup will be placed on the transfer list:

Nikola "⁠LEGIJA⁠" Ninić
Michał "⁠MICHU⁠" Müller
Buğra "⁠Calyx⁠" Arkın
Noah "⁠Nifty⁠" Francis
Thomas "⁠Thomas⁠" Utting

Jakub "⁠kuben⁠" Gurczynski (coach)

Lol

2021-01-11 18:07

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Honestly about time. They wasted so much money in the past few years.

2021-01-11 18:08

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imagine paying 2 million to join a tournament and then send a lineup with legija and nifty to play it 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

2021-01-11 19:22

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imagine building a superteam and end up adding a 30 y/o coach as player

2021-01-11 19:40

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Superteam what?

2021-01-11 20:48

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Try*

2021-01-11 21:41

seems a bit of a shame to waste it all now tho

2021-01-11 18:11

it's already wasted, there's no way they would make any of it back with this lineup.

2021-01-11 18:33

maybe if they could make them play tournaments while still shopping them around. obviously envy would still lose money (no getting out of that) but owning the players rn wouldnt be a total waste

2021-01-11 18:49

I see your point, but if they have nothing scheduled for now, just getting rid of their salaries is probably a lot more profitable than attending some low tier events in the future - especially if the rumors about the players' high salaries are somewhat true.

2021-01-11 18:53

but how? These players are very bad to be honest i don't think they are getting paid too much many

2021-01-11 18:13

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if i remember correctly nifty had salary of 15k per month

2021-01-11 18:15

15K a month? for nifty? thats 180k a year without even doing bonus logic and whatever more. sorry but nifty is DEFINITELY not worth that

2021-01-11 18:23

what the hell

2021-01-11 18:29

18k actually

2021-01-11 18:56

Ive been trying to tell people about CSGO esports but, keep getting shitted on. Investors, companies, just people in general need some kind of forecast for an ROI. Like, something! twitter.com/hastr0/status/13476357159250..

2021-01-11 18:37

2021-01-11 18:18

not to mention they also wasted the time of players like michu thomas and calyx; michu could potentially link with dycha and snatchie now hopefully. thomas was doing great in endpoint but idk if theres anyone back for him there now :/ and calyx honestly could join an international team like fpx/godsent/mouse etc

2021-01-11 20:11

oh noo

Anyway

once i heard they spent 1.5mil$ on paychecks in 1year and 1 of the players have 40k$ salary...

2021-01-11 18:25

rofl

2021-01-11 18:26

talk about stealing paychecks

2021-01-11 18:35

Expected

FREE MICHU <3

hastr0 makes me so angry do this one month earlier and could have picked up top 20 team

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like he prolly rly just done that cuz he got roasted on twitter (for a reason)

+1 i saw that just wish hed done it earlier instead of now is too late to pick up chaos, which is how it started

2021-01-11 18:09

he and his management biggest clownshow actually WILD how u can overpay a shit roster for so long and then only let them play an event haha so u cant even prove the haters wrong that ur shit roster is capable of winning HAHAHAHAHA

2021-01-11 18:12

he is the classic low iq american, in ow he wasted so much money and time

2021-01-11 18:14

I think I've never been as angry with anyone in esports as I am with Hastr0 right now

he is a braindead owner man. Only reason he succeeded was to throw money at the french teams which in the long term over inflated salaries for everyone. Most hltv users can do a better job running a team I bet. Hopefully someday I can burn millions of someone else's money

2021-01-11 20:04

I said that either on my Twitter or discord the other day - I think that a person that never watched any CSGO match would be able to make a better job than Hastr0

2021-01-11 21:04

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

still, CLOWN9<ENVY MANAGEMENT

nah. we win by default because Envy never play

worst management ever hope they burnt a lot of cash hastro biggest idiot

hahahahahaha

F legija

Otra vez?

Free Calyx and Michu!

xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa michu

What the fuck is wrong with envy. Build a team to only play 1 event and drop it.

It's cus they didn't want to work for it they just expected to be invited to everything despite having done nothing

2021-01-11 18:58

So many weird roster moves and roster disbands happening

ye but this isnt one of them nV have overpaid this team, they have hardly played any events and they are one of the few teams where you can say there is just no future for them

2021-01-11 18:10

I fully agree, i was just talking with my friends about this exact thing. And that they never played

KEKW hastr0 got rekt on twitter

xaxaxaxaxaxaxa sad that valorant actually killed csgo

Maybe but hastr0 is braindead

2021-01-11 20:19

Yes he should have signed chaos.

2021-01-11 20:22

Gg's team

rip

was about time

SAVE THOMAS

Should’ve done this when French roster left

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA

sad

LMAO

Finally Michu can find better team

5 bots

RIP

a little too late

GL michu and calyx

Finally lol

Calyx and Michu deserves a decent team. I wish GL for all of them.

finally.

Biggest waste of money spent in CS.. Ever?

HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA HOODIE SELLING ORG KEKW shouldve signed ex chaos

twitter.com/hastr0/status/13229754001176.. hahhahahahaha clown

Aged so well LMAO

Lmao just 10 days completely changed his mind xD

2021-01-11 18:17

Calyx and MICHU deserved better ofc, lets go.

Nifty is also a beast

0/8

2021-01-11 18:42

0/8 Snakety

Lol why are you guys writing 0/8? You really think nifty is bad or you trolling xD Or was he toxic?

2021-01-11 20:30

he is toxic asf

2021-01-11 21:22

finally, took way too long

Calyx 2nd best player of Tr deserve better team GL bro

top3 maybe

2021-01-11 19:07

Finally Calyx will be in better team... So top20 this year

get michu in the best Polish team ffs

lmao finally

FaZe Michu confirmed

Hastro is such an idiot, he complains about csgo being a waste of money when his completely inept management is the reason they have found zero success

CALYX FLUSHA TWIST .. WOX MAYBE

ENVY TO PUT "MONEY" ON HOLD

they shouldnt have trusted in the word of nifty but... xdxdxd

good decision

2021-01-11 18:19

congrats Envy you finally realized that you team is shit. FREE MICHU & CALYX

XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

The same team who put LEGIJA back on the main roster is complaining about the 'difficulties of CSGO in our current climate'. Nice excuses for an awful team setup.

2021-01-11 18:20

I totally agree, its crazy to think a player like that is still stealing a paycheck at such an org

2021-01-11 18:30

Dycha Michu Snax Innocent Someone make it happen

hope not

2021-01-11 20:27

I wonder what those players even did. No tournaments, no streaming, just paycheck stealing.

2021-01-11 18:21

You are absolutely right they were not even streaming none of them lul

Michu recently started streaming

2021-01-11 19:13

Yeah recently

2021-01-11 19:19

SO BADD

2021-01-11 18:22

Paycheck stealers lmao

Envy ceo got rekt so hard by dekay the left cs

2021-01-11 18:24

Considering what players played for envy this entire team was nothing but a big joke

from major winning teams to this, just lol...

lmao dekay bullied hastro into dropping his team

expected and I'm happy, finally!!! They just built that roster to play 1/2 events over the course of 1 year, finally MICHU can join some other team and Calyx too

2021-01-11 18:28

GJ wasting Ginger Zywoo's time.

Make endpoint great again! Thomas should go back!

MICHU, Calyx, Dycha + ?

2021-01-11 18:31

Expected from Envy :D

2021-01-11 18:32

lol thomas

-nifty +dycha sign to godsent ez fix

AHAHAHAHAHHA Nifty is f*cking garbage mate. He should retire.

2021-01-11 18:38

+1000 shit personality, shit player i hope he switches to valorant

2021-01-11 18:39

im gonna say one thing; cs go is dying.

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NA CSGO* is dying, yes.

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That will effect everything. Tournaments cant go with 5-10 teams everytime, eventually its gonna be much less viewers, same teams, same matches - same maps, its gonna be boring and end with negative results.

2021-01-11 18:43

I mean, just look at NA CS: In my opinion: Tier 1: Liquid, EG, FURIA Tier 2: Triumph, High Coast Tier 3: *insert 300 teams* Remember, this is tiers in NA and not overall tiers lol. Triumph is like T4 in EU. Then you have teams that disbanded/left CS/put their players on transfer list etc: 100T, MIBR, Envy, Chaos, Gen.G and more. I did not put coL on the list because i think they will stay permanently in EU, same with C9.

2021-01-11 18:47

T1 NA teams must stay in the EU tournaments permanently atm. Otherwise there will be no showtime for NA or neither EU. Another reason why its dying; What they gonna do when the players get stuck in the transfer list if there will be no spot in any team and when there will not be incoming organization?

2021-01-11 19:09

Yeah. To be honest Liquid, EG and Furia should move to EU permanently, but that wont happen. Yeah exactly, no NA orgs will pick up any player atm.

2021-01-11 19:01

thats simply not right. every NA team thats somewhat competetive is already back in europe for the next season, so we wont have the same 5 teams everytime. we always had the same 2 NA teams in the important tournaments so the only significant change NA viewers will have are the broadcasting times. also theres multiple orgs considering getting back to cs like reason gaming ( twitter.com/ReasonGaming/status/13485921..https://twitter.com/ReasonGaming/status/1348592163488210945?s=20), godsent getting a new team, the latest iteration of MIBR is looking for an org. there's plenty of stuff going on.

There is positive things too, but 3-4 teams leaving in a week, 1-2 teams upcoming in a month. Its not getting better, its getting worse.

bullshit the NA scene is dying but even they will probably recover somewhat, seeing fallen joining liquid, taco assembling a new team, EG showing no signs of stopping, mibr also trying to assemble a new team and even furia allegedly picking up a non-brazilian player. there's always a lot of movement during the off-season. envy was just poorly managed.

2021-01-11 18:45

wow rip

Wow... At this point Valve has to step in right?

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wut why?

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These are industry people talking. Conversations not privy to us spectators of CSGO. twitter.com/hastr0/status/13476357159250..

2021-01-11 18:41

and how exactly is this problem of valve? and how on earth can valve solve this? they should give money to orgs running csgo team or what:DDD?

2021-01-11 18:44

No... But you can create incentive programs & develop a structured esport. Right now it's Valve creates/updates the game and sets the rules for majors or whatever. But outside of that it's a free-for-all esport and it's more then obvious certain regions are in need of something besides stickers in majors. You don't have to agree but, the trajectory is CSGO as an esport needs some intervention. Maybe not in Europe but, clearly everywhere else. Just look at other esports

csgo was always like that and i dont see anything wrong about it. valve is game developer and not some esport ambassador and they are in the business for profit and not to help esport orgs. dota is more or less the same. few majors(+international) and you have tons of other TOs and its completely OK. its not valves fault that salaries in csgo are inflated AF and its not up to them to solve it and do the job of esport orgs managers

Hey look, I'm not here to say Valve is doing a terrible job but, what's stopping them from hiring a third party to oversee there esports division. Come up with solutions to keep the scene thriving and not have orgs just drop players. That's all Im saying about Valve stepping in. Sometimes you have to adapt to the market. What worked yesterday might not work tomorrow... Or even today.

but what exactly would that 3rd party change to solve current problems? they would force salary caps? because you cant fix bad management of orgs and lets be honest this envy lineup is TOP example of bad management

2021-01-11 19:02

I don't have answers into fixing things such as inflated salaries, tournament structure, incentive programs etc. But doing something is much better then just letting thins happen cause they did nothing. So Envy aside you have Gen.G, Chaos, 100T, New England Whalers... Literally most of the NA based orgs. Heck look at mibr who knows whats going on there. Maybe help develop regions like Korea, Australia, etc. I don't have the answers but, I'm sure some well experienced people could come up with a solution.

2021-01-11 19:26

Here's some more conversations... But you can read the tweets yourself. I'm sure EU/CIS will be just fine as long as the region continues to sustain itself and there's a strong playerbase twitter.com/hastr0/status/13476374228725.. twitter.com/hastr0/status/13476392138990..

if u look at the bigger picture it doesnt matter that much and thats all volvo cars about, they would prob do something but too late. and i would like to know how running overwatch team is profitable cuz no one watches that shit and this guy claimed they where spending 2 or 3 times as much on cs this year ...

I don't know the details on OW and Im with you I dont see the value but, we're not inside the industry. I know of Cloud9 saying there Siege team is profitable while there C9 team bleeds money annually. dexerto.com/csgo/cloud9-reveal-they-lose..

2021-01-11 18:54

i dont get it, some orgs complained about expenses being to high but teams keep investing money and some leave but others join so.. maybe anothere volvo conspiracy to not only give cheats but also money to orgs???

lol, rip. Thomas back to EU i suppose. Snakefty to Valorant probably.

Lol the roster survived for 1 month

2021-01-11 18:40

shocker :O jk

Yeah stop investing on a dead game. I want teams orgs investors to move to newer games like valorant.

It's not a dead game. Just a dead region

2021-01-11 19:37

Envy should just pick up chaos with xeppa and they have a solid top 20 team.

leaf and vanity are gone. Xeppaa is reported to go to Cloud9.

save calyx and michu

2021-01-11 18:48

Miss the old envy

Somebody please picks up UK duo Thomas and Smooya

Who could have guessed this roster would be trash?

Sad but this was genuinely not a good team.

Finally

2021-01-11 19:03

no wonder having a csgo team isnt viable when the team only plays two tournaments a year. maybe dont invest such a huge amount of cash into a team that wont play?

2021-01-11 19:04

Fuck envy, this org has so many opportunities rn and they just leave cs

2021-01-11 19:08

they play a match and then sit around for 6 months the csgo division was barely going in the first place.

2021-01-11 19:11

Nifty's worst decesion ever to leave Renegades for Envy...

2021-01-11 19:14

When they decided to releas FRENCH ROSTER WITH KIO AND ScreaM I KNEW IT ENVY WILL GO DOWN AND DOWN

2021-01-11 19:15

Nifty come home and help revive T2 NA

2021-01-11 19:18

3 months later a french roster and the cycle repeats.

2021-01-11 19:23

Nifty regroup with ex 100T ?

If they are masochists who love being dumsptered, yes.

2021-01-11 19:36

wym with that care to explain

2021-01-11 23:28

the ex 100T roster were limited by Nifty. That Renegades team with Nifty would get 16-0'd every map by the Renegades team without Nifty. He made that team worse and he limited their potential.

2021-01-12 02:43

do you really think that nifty is a comparable rifler to jks

2021-01-11 20:49

CSGO dying OMEGALUL Soon, only the top 10 teams will remain, and every tournament will be the same. Then the revival attempts phase will start. Then that will fail and the game will actually die.

Expected, it had to happen, this roster was dead for a long time already.

2021-01-11 19:50

Why didn't Envy pick up ex-Chaos roster, when they had a chance

2021-01-11 19:54

Ok Endpoint now -robiin +thomas again

2021-01-11 19:55

Sucks for Thomas who was recent transfer, hopefully back to Endpoint for him!

2021-01-11 20:09

+flusha +autimatic +suNny

2021-01-11 20:15

they played like zero officials and disbanded, envy should leave cs for good

About time Envy pulled the plug on their crappy CSGO teams lol. All of the players are decent individually except LEGIJA, who should stick to being a coach. Thomas should replace mezzii on Cloud9. The others can join any Tier 2 NA and EU teams and will likely be an upgrade.

2021-01-11 20:33

Troll team

2021-01-11 20:58

Thank god snake Nifty got cucked.

2021-01-11 21:50

Dycha Michu Snatchie/mhL Innocent Snax Plsssssss

2021-01-11 22:04

Sad news for michu, calix and kuben. They lost year of they carrier cause org didnt wanted to get right ppl. Players like Nifty, moose or Ryan in this core was a fucking joke. Especially nifty with zero impact with AWP. Last weeks were good time to contract ex-chaos or ex-100thiefs players. This roster could look like this : Michu Calix OttoNd/Snatchie/Maka/Gratisfaction Liazz AZR Maybe it couldnt be a tier 1 team, but it should be easy top 15/20 with this roster

2021-01-11 22:12

expected

2021-01-11 22:34

hope you lose everything you clown and go live in a homeless shelter im laughing so hard

2021-01-12 02:06