Vitality fined $10,000 by ESIC for breach of code

The French organization's staff took responsibility for playing the stream behind the team during matches at BLAST Premier.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has issued Vitality a $10,000 fine as a result of their breach of the commission's code, after the team were found to have the stream playing in the background while they were playing matches against Liquid and Complexity at BLAST Premier Global Final.

After assessing the VOD and player camera footage, ESIC found no evidence of the players being given information from the stream or that they gained an advantage in their matches due to the rulebreaking.

The Vitality organization has been issued a $10,000 fine

As a result of the findings, the esports watchdog has concluded that the organization's staff, who were viewing the stream in the lounge area of their office behind the team, should be held responsible instead of the team itself and decided not to disqualify, suspend, or ban Vitality.

"ESIC’s assessment of the VOD footage and player camera footage does not suggest that the players were given information derived from the stream or that they gained any advantage in their matches as a result of the Code violation by the organisation," a statement from ESIC reads. "Team Vitality’s management has accepted responsibility for the breach."

"ESIC's decision to fine the organisation rather than disqualify, suspend or ban the team is predicated on ESIC's review of the evidence which indicates that taking an action in the alternative would have been a disproportionate and unfair outcome for the negligence of the organisation's staff, who, whilst negligent, had no intentional malice in their actions."

In December, ESIC released a statement revealing that it found that the practice of stream-sniping — watching the stream live during own matches — had been widespread online. The commission decided against taking action at the time because the resulting ban wave would have a devastating impact on the landscape but promised that it would enforce a zero-tolerance policy from then on.

owned
2021-01-23 16:40
35 replies
Vitality deserved
2021-01-23 16:40
17 replies
expected from ukraine
2021-01-23 16:45
15 replies
#59
VK | 
Netherlands TyStackz
Zero tolerance - zero brain.
2021-01-23 16:45
14 replies
#72
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Japan Yuukek
Brazil still malding
2021-01-23 16:47
13 replies
Why only 10k? That's like a 1 dollar fine for a regular person.... take a million from them and teach everyone a lesson
2021-01-23 17:06
11 replies
"ESIC’s assessment of the VOD footage and player camera footage does not suggest that the players were given information derived from the stream or that they gained any advantage in their matches as a result of the Code violation by the organisation," so it's a pretty minor rule break g
2021-01-23 17:07
9 replies
So What, The Coach clearly had the ability to just turn around and look at that massive TV that's probably more worth than the ESIC fine. Although the coach might not have maliciously used it, they still breached the code. Something you have to understand after the coach bans is that rules are black and white, you cant not address a breach if they slightly just break a rule. they should have banned Vitality at least for 1 S-Tier event.
2021-01-23 17:15
6 replies
#197
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Latvia De1Co
Cam footage
2021-01-23 17:34
1 reply
Bruh pls read my point again . BTW Theres a thread about this richard lewis video : youtube.com/watch?v=_i2UbKVOqxM
2021-01-23 17:37
#246
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Croatia DNM_ii
The coach had the ability, but he did not use said ability, as it was literally mentioned that only staff watched it, not the team playing the match at the time. Learn how to read before malding.
2021-01-23 18:19
3 replies
What about the multiple other staff members in the playing room on their phones? Why is Vitality allowed half their CS org in the room?
2021-01-23 18:25
2 replies
lol, are you stupid ? why is vitality allowed ? cause they just want it, and if you dont agree ... everyone in the whole world dont give a shit of what you are saying =) they do what that want. Btw, they ezxplained they wanted a lot of people in the room in order to put presure on players.
2021-01-24 11:12
1 reply
I mean there are high profile talents that agree only the players+coach should be allowed in the room, rather than players+sub+coach+analysts +other staffers, but who am I kidding, some random kid on HLTV just told me im wrong
2021-01-24 20:27
I think the punishment of fine is appropriate considering the players didnt violate any of the rules
2021-01-23 17:15
Exactly, that's the part that some of those guys haven't read apparently, 10k is perfectly enough for what they did.
2021-01-23 17:21
+1
2021-01-23 17:46
good
2021-01-23 17:33
#301
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United States Frakie
There’s a delay from game to stream for 5 minutes or so, so it isn’t a huge problem cuz all they can do is see economy on a technical pause
2021-01-23 19:49
"After assessing the VOD and player camera footage, ESIC found no evidence of the players being given information from the stream or that they gained an advantage in their matches due to the rulebreaking"
2021-01-23 16:41
10 replies
and you really believe that lmao? you know that vita didnt want to give them their voice comms right? i wonder why KEKW
2021-01-23 16:43
7 replies
"player camera footage" is enough to know whether or not the players/coach used the TV. The entire article clearly states it's the staffs' fault.
2021-01-23 16:48
2 replies
what about the other staff members in the playing room sitting on their phones? Are you telling me there is no chance that staff outside the room said"they seem to be doing this before this strat" to then have the staff member in the room pass it along to the coach? I am not saying that this did happen, my point is that there is the possibility that it happened, and there is evidence that there is a stream on close enough to be seen
2021-01-23 18:28
1 reply
Exactly. No cellphone should be allowed in that room, but there is no way to check it on online events. I also wonder why the staff is even in there. There should just be players and coach.
2021-01-23 20:16
I know, you want to be edgy and against the big ESIC, but you might wanna pick a different occasion than this one...
2021-01-23 16:58
2 replies
im not against esic though?
2021-01-23 17:00
#342
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Slovakia Daev0n
I am against the big ESIC, not on this occasion tho. This time they've done the right thing. But I'll get you next time ESIC!!
2021-01-24 03:26
No one does jerman
2021-01-23 17:01
Though they didnt pass info But what if they were aware of it and keeping it in mind Anyway a top team like vitality First they get 100s in the same room and now this Shame
2021-01-23 16:44
same what happened to mibr but the stream was opened which cost them the same 10k
2021-01-23 17:52
$10,000 is like a fourth of Nivera's salary lmao what a joke of a punishment
2021-01-23 16:55
3 replies
#109
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Canada Timings
It's nothing for an org like Vitality lol
2021-01-23 16:57
+1
2021-01-23 17:05
#295
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Brazil |witcher|
It's actually worth it.
2021-01-23 19:27
pronets
2021-01-23 17:00
Lmao, indeed
2021-01-23 17:45
Wow
2021-01-23 16:40
1 reply
imagine every team just pay 10k to stream sniping in the future LUL
2021-01-24 05:12
Cheaters Fuck off man This is very bad
2021-01-23 16:41
25 replies
Didnt you read the statement?
2021-01-23 16:41
16 replies
It's obvious the staff are just a scapegoat lol. Why didn't they want to give comms?
2021-01-23 16:44
6 replies
+1
2021-01-23 16:45
+1
2021-01-23 17:41
#211
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Finland McPucci
+1
2021-01-23 17:42
#231
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India t0rqueCS
+1
2021-01-23 18:00
true, they’re desperate to get revenge vs liquid who destroyed them at cologne and chicago 2019
2021-01-23 18:53
+1 unfortunately
2021-01-23 20:53
Dude nothing can back that statement What if they were keeping that info only if the game went hard for them Its a shame a top team does this
2021-01-23 16:45
1 reply
#65
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Canada Minami
Even the coach play it LAN-style and don't speak outside tactical pauses...
2021-01-23 16:46
#58
NAF | 
Canada Minami
Didn't you read his flair and name?
2021-01-23 16:45
The same statement was giving to MIBR and all the HLTV comments were about brazil cheating again. Its funny to see all these directed hatred. I was actually argueing about it yesterday and now they got fined
2021-01-23 17:07
5 replies
It was one time accident, not even cheating. Brazilians cheat all the time. Thats the difference.
2021-01-23 17:20
4 replies
Vitality have been doing this for months. French cant say much about cheating xd, dont know if you're a newfag but there was once a french major winner caught cheating. MIBR got fined for doing the same as Vitality, in both occasions they couldnt prove that they got advantage from it.
2021-01-23 17:24
#210
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
I love how you say that even though there is a person called kqly in your country
2021-01-23 17:42
1 reply
+1
2021-01-23 23:16
"Brazilians cheat all the time" based on what?
2021-01-28 01:26
navi flair lmao
2021-01-23 16:45
1 reply
#224
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Norway N3sHie1k
flag
2021-01-23 17:52
flair checks out
2021-01-23 16:49
Supporter of Na'Vi say no more In January 2015, s1mple was soon removed from Hellraisers due to his inflammatory comments about Germans, and an ESL wire ban for cheating. This ban was also extended to 2016 due to ban evasion. S1mple himself says that the ban was from cheating in Counter-Strike 1.6.
2021-01-23 17:50
4 replies
Yhea they're untolerant for a stream watched by some people outside the main staff where there's a 7 min delay between the game and the stream. But a ban on s1mple for ACTUAL CHEATING is seen as minor or as a forgettable event. Just get me out! Don't get me wrong I don't want s1mple to get banned. But 10 000 is way too much of a punishment considering the amount of times I've seen s1mple and others play on the role while in a match^^. They could very well watch the stream too. But that's just bullshit com from ESIC.
2021-01-23 18:54
1 reply
Its 4.5 mins delay Bans are a different topic this is a lighter topic
2021-01-23 23:09
This argument really Esports is much bigger now ESIC is a thing now I am not saying anything about what should be done I am saying they should not have done it its a shame if they do this on the top level
2021-01-23 23:08
1 reply
They couldn't use the info due to the delay and the fact that the tv was behind them. You say they cheat but it's not proven and clearly easy to get an opinion on it when you watch the match (you can see that no one is turning to watch the TV behind) Now something else, we had proof that S1mple had cheated. But we don't cry when we fall against him, and when we see him fighting for the place of the best player in the world...
2021-01-23 23:28
#4
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Mongolia flennyiwnl
nice job
2021-01-23 16:40
good move
2021-01-23 16:40
#6
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Europe SBC|SG_TS
lul
2021-01-23 16:40
#8
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Canada GGNORE33
HAHAHAHAAH what a joke 10k???? Well, those teams are just untouchable :)
2021-01-23 16:41
17 replies
+1 that should be 100k$
2021-01-23 16:42
1 reply
#37
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Canada GGNORE33
The thing is that they play a tournament that is x100 more than this that they can win and they still charge them 10k, that is pure BS!
2021-01-23 16:43
Yeah if it was a nonamer Aussie team they’d all get 12 month bans
2021-01-23 16:42
2 replies
#305
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France Vipair
"if" who cars
2021-01-23 19:53
1 reply
Kinda hard to beat Astralis without stream, isn’t it?
2021-01-23 23:00
well, there was no evidence that info was actually being used, otherwise that fine would be more
2021-01-23 16:43
2 replies
Ok bud listen. How are u gonna find more evidence in a bootcamp that is owned by vitality. Like they would just let anybody in.. Use ur brain bro u are not stupid.
2021-01-23 17:58
1 reply
yeah but they can't just fine them more without evidence, innocent until proven otherwise
2021-01-23 18:01
#36
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Germany hswe_jk
After assessing the VOD and player camera footage, ESIC found no evidence of the players being given information from the stream or that they gained an advantage in their matches due to the rulebreaking.
2021-01-23 16:43
5 replies
#47
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Canada GGNORE33
It's not about "gain some kind of advantages" it's about RULES and integrity right? A team like Vitality to make such stupid mistakes? Does that make sense to you? Its like cough Messi with doping? :)
2021-01-23 16:44
4 replies
#95
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Germany hswe_jk
the point is that they didnt caught them because they didnt use any information. some1 just put it on by accident i guess
2021-01-23 16:51
1 reply
#113
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Canada GGNORE33
Its mid-game rounds? What does that mean "by mistake" professionals like they should not start a game like this? It's just above normal for their experience??
2021-01-23 16:58
ofc its all about gaining an dvantage over your opponent
2021-01-23 18:23
1 reply
If both teams were stream-sniping each other, could make a hell of a strange game... just my thoughts
2021-01-23 18:44
+1
2021-01-23 16:45
agree on that, must be more
2021-01-23 16:47
+1
2021-01-23 18:00
ZeWowooo
2021-01-23 16:41
#10
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Germany Dayjay
What a joke
2021-01-23 16:41
5 replies
#39
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Germany hswe_jk
After assessing the VOD and player camera footage, ESIC found no evidence of the players being given information from the stream or that they gained an advantage in their matches due to the rulebreaking.
2021-01-23 16:43
4 replies
It's called weaseling yourself out of having to yeet your partnered team out. “If the penalty for a crime is a fine, then that law only exists for the lower class”
2021-01-23 16:45
3 replies
lmao vitality's definitely oppressing the proletariat from their bourgeois esport team status
2021-01-23 17:12
1 reply
Weird way to rephrase an attempt at holding two financially different entities to the same standards.
2021-01-23 19:50
Amen
2021-01-23 21:16
ok
2021-01-23 16:41
just dq them its not like the rule exists just for one day and they didnt know it
2021-01-23 16:41
2 replies
I mean they were no proof of them using the stream
2021-01-23 16:42
1 reply
Also pretty sure that the stream was delayed
2021-01-24 01:39
#15
dycha | 
Poland Roxin
hopefully no one will ever do that again
2021-01-23 16:41
1 reply
#296
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Brazil |witcher|
Sure.. 🤡
2021-01-23 19:32
haha stream snipwoO
2021-01-23 16:41
4 replies
#60
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Bolivia Natusch
I don't think ZywOo would bother turning his head around 180 degrees just to see what happened last round. He'd be too busy with, you know, actually playing.
2021-01-23 16:45
3 replies
did you read my name?
2021-01-23 16:51
1 reply
#100
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Bolivia Natusch
I did. I didn't get pissed tho
2021-01-23 16:55
+1, and its not even last round, Launders said it's like 5 min delay between stream and the actual match
2021-01-23 17:05
10k xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2021-01-23 16:42
nice
2021-01-23 16:42
They win a min of $80000 in this event like wtf.
2021-01-23 16:42
stream snipe when main streams has 2 min delay gg esic retards
2021-01-23 16:42
11 replies
#29
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Portugal Davdio
+1
2021-01-23 16:43
2 min? They're like 3-4 rounds behind XD thats even funnier
2021-01-23 16:43
you can still get info that is beneficial to the team lol, like between pauses
2021-01-23 16:44
#77
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Canada Minami
They shouldn't have done that, period.
2021-01-23 16:48
Its not streamsnipe lul but they still get information about economy and strats they are doing and things like that
2021-01-23 16:48
#92
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Denmark Ulver
It has nothing to do with calling out live enemy rotations, positioning, weapons or economy. What you gain is knowledge during the match, of how the enemies react when you do X, how they use smokes, what their setup is, and if they are doing something new or unexpected you immediately get the knowledge and can react to it in the forthcoming rounds.
2021-01-23 16:51
1 reply
#364
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Estonia cuntycorn
+1 And that's is why I think they didn't use the stream. What an idiot would put it in player cam view? Just put team of analysts in a separate room to watch stream and feed info to the coach. Valve seems to understand this too: "Valve has determined that no one besides participating players will be allowed in the room where the team is playing or on the server during online RMR matches. The rule applies to both coaches and support staff, who will not even be allowed to communicate with the team during matches." hltv.org/news/31089/valve-unveils-2020-r..
2021-01-28 02:00
#133
VINI | 
Brazil VlNl
HLTV two faced people. with cogu: cheaters, expected from Brazil with VItality: main streams has 2 min delay and bla bla bla
2021-01-23 17:05
2 replies
its a biased moron, they all (teams) deserve the same
2021-01-23 17:10
yep, when MIBR was fined many people including me pointed out that Vitality had the stream running in the background and the coach and players could see what was going on if they just turned their heads a bit, the same thing that happened with MIBR.
2021-01-23 17:41
It's about getting info about the teams setup, economy and mood. Obv can't see live positions of players
2021-01-23 18:07
ok
2021-01-23 16:42
multi million dollar org 10k fine kekW zywoo wipes ass with atleast 100k
2021-01-23 16:42
#24
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Europe jigglepeek
ESIC is a joke and so is VALVE.
2021-01-23 16:42
should be disqualified edit: 10k is hilarious price, should be 150k at least
2021-01-23 16:43
#30
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United States Zysyphian
should've added an extra 0 to that fine
2021-01-23 16:43
1 reply
At the very least
2021-01-23 16:47
#31
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
ESIC on tier 5 team betting: "WTF YOU ARE GETTING BANNED FOR 2 YEARS" ESIC on tier 1 team cheating/exploiting: "lmao get traffic ticket"
2021-01-23 16:43
3 replies
E-SICK*
2021-01-23 16:44
+1
2021-01-23 18:49
#335
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Europe Vallon4
+1
2021-01-24 01:24
Nice to see ESIC has some balls as opposed to the CSPPA
2021-01-23 16:43
#33
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Europe LordSF95
Noobs, expected from 2iq baguettes, im sure "they did not give infos" 🤣 how pathetic. 10k is nothing, should have been banned. Nice strategy #1 trash player of the year
2021-01-23 16:43
5 replies
There is evidence they did not give infos, pathetic cis salty boy.
2021-01-23 16:46
3 replies
#76
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Europe LordSF95
Im sure, how can u find that evidence, of there was another team t2 or t3 they would have banned them for years but we talk about cheatality, ofc they don't take propper measures
2021-01-23 16:48
2 replies
All coms recorded ? 6 Blast cams in the room ?
2021-01-23 16:48
1 reply
#96
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Europe LordSF95
Stfu baguette, open stream means cheat, they should investigate their team talk including the staff, i see always 12 people in the room, to handle b0tw00's mini d*ck. You have no idea how ez you can cheat online
2021-01-23 16:52
cry more
2021-01-23 16:47
fine should be higher
2021-01-23 16:43
Tier 2 team would’ve been banned forever
2021-01-23 16:43
1 reply
#83
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Europe LordSF95
+100
2021-01-23 16:48
?? should be 1 year ban for each player and 5 years for coach ha tfu
2021-01-23 16:44
DESERVED
2021-01-23 16:44
#49
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Portugal dracø
Tolerance zero btw While I agree that a fine is enough given the context (not 10k tho, it should be higher) ESIC is a joke of an org due to the statement they gave when this last happened. Pussy org that will only act against the weaker teams
2021-01-23 16:45
1 reply
#62
CeRq | 
Poland RoDaK
They only focus on destroying Australia's cs xD
2021-01-23 16:46
#53
CeRq | 
Poland RoDaK
Xd 10k$ when in two days they will have +600,000$
2021-01-23 16:45
Stream is 3 rounds behind what's the problem?
2021-01-23 16:45
8 replies
#71
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Canada GGNORE33
Wtf are you talking about?? Players like them can EAAAAASY count the money base on the rounds that happened lost/win and calculate the economy? Are you involved in competitive CS and how the economy works?
2021-01-23 16:47
6 replies
So if the can easily do it themselves then they don't need management to help them right?
2021-01-23 16:49
5 replies
#93
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Canada GGNORE33
I am talking regarding your comment "3 rounds behind" not about a normal economy count during the game. Those are 2 different things and you know that right?
2021-01-23 16:51
Candian brain
2021-01-23 19:37
3 replies
Coming from someone who can't spell..lol
2021-01-23 19:46
2 replies
Maybe I'd know how to spell it if it were at all relevant
2021-01-23 19:49
1 reply
USA brain logic.
2021-01-23 19:49
They still get an info man, like how enemy rotating, they economy, etc
2021-01-23 16:49
Oh no their staff is watching at least 3-4 rounds delayed stream that has literally 0 impact
2021-01-23 16:45
4 replies
#66
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Poland RoDaK
Same was with mibr, people called them cheaters and wanted them banned xD
2021-01-23 16:46
2 replies
clips.twitch.tv/CovertCulturedChickpeaSt.. Not the same, mibr players are directly looking at the stream
2021-01-23 18:03
1 reply
hahahahah they are looking like it's normal xD they are retarded
2021-01-23 19:05
???? you can get plenty of info even if rounds are delayed
2021-01-24 17:44
total BS man wtf is ESIC doing
2021-01-23 16:45
I think it is the right move to penalize it even if it was just "open by accident" or whatever, no matter which team it is. Every team needs to have no streams open during matches period. Good move.
2021-01-23 16:47
people saying that its justified because they didnt pass info: if you look at someone else's paper in an exam, you fail, even if you don't copy anything. so even though there is NO EVIDENCE (meaning it still could have happened) of passing info, its still cheating, and 10k fine to a org worth millions of dollars is pathetic
2021-01-23 16:47
1 reply
yeah. nice zero-tolerance policy this? and are vitality staff idiots? they should be aware of this. also they always have like 3-4 extra guys in the room, so who knows if they pass info or not. the whole thing kinda suggests something's fishy
2021-01-23 17:03
#74
frozen | 
Slovakia x1fy
reddit squad where ya at?
2021-01-23 16:47
10k>600k bruhh
2021-01-23 16:48
deserved, thankfully ESIC didn't act like chickens!
2021-01-23 16:48
If I was a big org and the penalty for stream sniping was just 10k then I’d do it every time even after getting caught. Just a drop in the bucket for Tier 1. If anything this will encourage more Tier 1 teams to stream snipe since they know these spineless twats will give them a slap on the wrist at worst.
2021-01-23 16:48
3 replies
I understand that 10k is little, I take it is being more of a "warning", next time is likely full ban to the face.
2021-01-23 16:50
2 replies
#149
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Portugal dracø
But they already gave a warning to everywhen when they fined MIBR. They said it would be zero tolerance in the future xD
2021-01-23 17:10
1 reply
It's more like 10k tolerance though xD
2021-01-23 19:01
#86
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Russia AlexFrutis
Guys its not possible to follow the team in online for stream snipe. Players actually can use their phone or something else
2021-01-23 16:49
2 replies
they can but they gotta hide. not in the 4k tv LCD
2021-01-23 16:50
1 reply
XD true
2021-01-23 17:04
10K???? should've be 100k
2021-01-23 16:49
#90
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Europe optifat
Is it just normal that every game there is half of France population, sitting in the room with Vitality players?
2021-01-23 16:59
now they gonna win tournament and profit LULW
2021-01-23 16:53
Not cheaters but deserved and expected
2021-01-23 16:53
10k? Zywoo spends more on food per day
2021-01-23 16:55
3 replies
HAHA
2021-01-23 16:57
#316
mir | 
Russia M13F
xd
2021-01-23 21:05
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2021-01-24 17:45
#102
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World Notb8ing
These stream snipers getting away with murder, being disqualified was only fair result =)
2021-01-23 16:55
1 reply
#306
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France Vipair
you're a funny one aint u
2021-01-23 19:53
they should get ban, thats why vitality is top 3 team in 2020, they r tier 2 team at lans
2021-01-23 16:56
the official broadcast is 2-3 rounds late isn't it?
2021-01-23 16:56
3 replies
but it's enough to understand how exactly much money enemy has
2021-01-23 16:58
4.5 minutes
2021-01-23 17:30
I mean imo you can still look how they rotate if they play 4v5, you can see for example if somebody was doing dank wrap around and he never got to use it so you didnt know about it, even economy though not that much
2021-01-23 17:57
Deserved
2021-01-23 16:56
$10K fine to win $600k? EZ stonks boi
2021-01-23 16:56
DQ?
2021-01-23 16:57
#110
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Nepal sasukeee
LMAO, is this cheating ?
2021-01-23 16:57
This does look very bad to be honest.
2021-01-23 16:57
This is actually lenient because this kind of incident happened before with other teams. Vitality knew about those and should've known better than having a stream running in the background. They are not some amateur team. If it was me, I would DQ them as an example for everyone else.
2021-01-23 16:59
I mean in the worst scenario they will get 50K this week for the tournament. EZ profit.
2021-01-23 16:59
1 reply
#344
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Sweden hilebard
The prize money goes to the players. It's the ort that got fined
2021-01-24 06:13
Not enough. What a joke.
2021-01-23 16:59
#120
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Kazakhstan y2o99
kekw
2021-01-23 17:00
Does Vitality even have to care about this? As in, what does the ESIC actually have to say? Like what kind authority do they have?
2021-01-23 17:03
Seems to me that its worth cheating
2021-01-23 17:03
Shouldve been at least 30k
2021-01-23 17:03
#127
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World Beard43
This is extremely lenient. Nonetheless I'm genuinely glad they have at least taken some action.
2021-01-23 17:03
Make it 100k, looks like teams dont learn after the first time, this already happened, forgot what team got fined 10k a month ago or so, now this again, 10k is nothing for them, should even disqualify, not fine, just disqualify the team that does it, this is unacceptable in 2021.
2021-01-23 17:04
too low
2021-01-23 17:04
#136
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Macedonia popovv
They needed to disqualify them from the tournament, what is this fine?
2021-01-23 17:06
2 replies
disqualify from tournament because some random staffer in the building is watching the game OMEGALUL
2021-01-23 17:14
1 reply
#358
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Macedonia popovv
anyway they lost, bots ha
2021-01-24 21:12
#137
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Faroe Islands AdNauseam
you can cheat if you pay 10k...
2021-01-23 17:06
4 replies
Learn to read
2021-01-23 17:07
3 replies
#145
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Faroe Islands AdNauseam
learn how to be smart...
2021-01-23 17:08
2 replies
+1
2021-01-23 17:16
#307
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France Vipair
8 yo answer
2021-01-23 19:54
Looking at these responses from you guys make me laugh, brainless honestly lmao
2021-01-23 17:07
deserved
2021-01-23 17:07
10k for VItality is like buying .50$ ice cream for yourself LOL
2021-01-23 17:08
1 reply
#144
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India magizhchi
exactly lol
2021-01-23 17:08
Useless ESIC shiteaters: punishing mibr and vitality for "streamsniping" 2 min delay: am I a joke to you?
2021-01-23 17:09
Solid response, not disqualifying them was the correct move since as they said themselves "there was no malicious intention detected" and therefore a fine is perfect
2021-01-23 17:09
this is ridiculous, if any team really wanted to cheat they could have someone on TS giving them the infos
2021-01-23 17:09
2 replies
Exactly. All the guys who are calling for a DQ or shouting "cheaters" are just dumb, tbh. If Vitality really wanted to streamsnipe, they would never do it in such a stupid fashion. That TV was behind there back, in another room and could be seen on camera...
2021-01-23 20:07
1 reply
#345
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Sweden hilebard
It's not about whether they cheated or not. It's about there being a huge controversy just a few months ago that teams were actively watching the streams to gain info, and got told that if they get caught again, there will be consequences. Now they had the streams open in the background, and claim its not what it looks like. Well, they were warned. It's a breach of competitive integrity, and whether they cheated or not, they should honestly know better
2021-01-24 06:18
Lmao fined them their toilet paper for a week
2021-01-23 17:11
Zywoo
2021-01-23 17:11
cheaters never learn
2021-01-23 17:12
#155
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Switzerland Sylleo
What a slap ... on the wrist
2021-01-23 17:13
Zywoo should be fined by 0.05 raiting and top1 should be given to s1mple.
2021-01-23 17:15
4 replies
malding s2mple fan cry is free
2021-01-23 17:25
3 replies
Baited, lmao.
2021-01-23 17:31
2 replies
Still malding, lmao.
2021-01-23 17:32
1 reply
Not really.
2021-01-23 17:33
#160
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Kazakhstan y2o99
online era KEKW
2021-01-23 17:15
coaches cheat for like 2 rounds - 2 year ban and whole career ruined whole team cheat for 2 matchs - 10k pocket money ESIC joke of an org, why are they even relevant? axaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaa
2021-01-23 17:22
#163
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Europe t.o.p
Deserved
2021-01-23 17:18
#164
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Finland FlNLAND
deserved
2021-01-23 17:18
They should be kicked
2021-01-23 17:19
1 reply
+1
2021-01-23 17:33
10k for vitality is like for me buying 0.33 cola
2021-01-23 17:20
10k lmfao it's nothing for them
2021-01-23 17:20
10k LOL
2021-01-23 17:20
Minor offence, so minor punishment. I dont like Vitality, but they did nothing wrong (they didnt even watch this stream, and it was 5 mins delayed anyway). Definitely nothing worth disqualifying. Thankfully ESIC is smarter than hate mob on hltv.
2021-01-23 17:23
4 replies
they didn't even deserve this punishment IMO, i think this is done to cower any other team from doing it come on what advantage could you get from 5 minutes old info
2021-01-23 17:31
2 replies
Exactly .. I bet all the teams do it ..except maybe G2 and OG.
2021-01-23 17:34
Yes it's just communication ^^ ESIC are still a joke in my eyes. Anyone with a phone can watch the game, who cares ? There's 7 min delay and Vitality played LAN at the highest level...
2021-01-23 18:55
Yes! +1
2021-01-23 18:55
Funny, they are not disqualified from the tournament for cheating... I remembered the thread on the forum few days ago when fanboys of vitality (shox) denied it.
2021-01-23 17:23
2 replies
Just don't talk about matters you don't seem to understand.
2021-01-23 18:56
1 reply
Good advice, you must respect it more often.
2021-01-23 19:12
Too small punishment
2021-01-23 17:24
they deserve ban like iBP just saying
2021-01-23 17:25
6 replies
0/8
2021-01-23 17:27
2 replies
cheating on a games is like matchfixing
2021-01-23 17:33
1 reply
i are not think that but okay
2021-01-23 17:33
+1
2021-01-23 17:30
2 replies
nt sam2k
2021-01-23 18:56
1 reply
nt delusional s1mple hater
2021-01-23 18:58
only 10k for cheating in a tournament? rly??
2021-01-23 17:27
3 replies
They didnt cheat. Get your facts together.
2021-01-23 17:45
0/8
2021-01-23 18:06
They didn't cheat, you idiot.
2021-01-23 18:56
$10K? That’s peanuts, ESIC is a joke.
2021-01-23 17:28
1 reply
a lot for esic
2021-01-23 19:00
#180
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Turkey vaxxle
tldr ?
2021-01-23 17:28
Aight boys next time hide the monitor LMAO
2021-01-23 17:28
That's very low fine IMO, vitality makes so much moolah
2021-01-23 17:29
Expected from zywh0 and his team. Dirty cheaters cant play the game fairly. All of their players and entire Org should be banned for life.
2021-01-23 17:33
1 reply
nt sam2k copied from a user: "s1mple, 1 in his name, number 2 in the game, he's done it again ! " cry
2021-01-23 18:57
Almost every team does that ...it's just not seen in camera lmao ... Astralis for sure does it.
2021-01-23 17:33
1 reply
#318
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Denmark Duke1996
Idiot
2021-01-23 21:08
The fine is not enough. They should be disqualified from this tournement and classified on the last position. Fined as well, but not 10k, but rther 40-50k to prevent any team abuse it in the future. Of course many teams use stream sniping to gain some advantage, but the community should penalize all of the teams that are so stupid to be caught cheating.
2021-01-23 17:34
This is why they dont want their comms to be listened to by outsiders
2021-01-23 17:34
1 reply
nt jumping on the hate train. B r a i n d e a d
2021-01-23 18:57
Whatever
2021-01-23 17:34
zywoo smurfing and they get fined for streamsniping LOL af
2021-01-23 17:34
Deserved, i hope they be more careful next time
2021-01-23 17:34
10k? Like big orgs give a fuck about this kind of amounts.. maybe set it to 200k$? So next time teams would actually think twice before doing that?
2021-01-23 17:36
All this means is they move the TV's lol but how dumb can you be to have it running in the background lmao
2021-01-23 17:37
Strip their winnings from any related tournament and increase the fine AND penalize them in major qualifying points. Cheater team. Bad for scene.
2021-01-23 17:40
1 reply
Just get out^^
2021-01-23 18:58
#206
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Hungary saxxo
If there is no evidence, they didn’t cheat. Pathetic. Everybody know the truth and the $10k penalty is a joke. How anybody expect a clean and fair community when even the biggest teams cheat all the time? See coach bug...
2021-01-23 17:41
ye fine should be higher faking bs
2021-01-23 17:41
No stream snipe no win
2021-01-23 17:42
10k? lol might aswell remove the rule completely
2021-01-23 17:42
"After assessing the VOD and player camera footage, ESIC found no evidence of the players being given information from the stream or that they gained an advantage in their matches due to the rulebreaking." Totally bullshit. Whoever watch the stream for Vitality side can tell calls or strats with hiding the real source. He can say "lets do 3b this round" and this call can come from stream analyze. Totally biased fine.
2021-01-23 17:44
CHEATER CHEATER
2021-01-23 17:46
#221
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United States Rambeard
Oh that's a yikes lol
2021-01-23 17:49
#223
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Sweden Akoulad
CHEATERS
2021-01-23 17:50
#226
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Switzerland Titan))
deserved
2021-01-23 17:56
good
2021-01-23 17:58
Get shit on cheaters
2021-01-23 17:59
only 10k? esic wtf?
2021-01-23 18:02
#235
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Brazil wetdark
There is also no evidence that all those other managers or coaches like the Brazilian Dead or cogu passed on information for the time about something that see, therefore, unfair punishment for them or mild for vitality
2021-01-23 18:02
Expected... but only 10k :D
2021-01-23 18:03
10k isn't nearly enough, but it should just be prevented by putting a more significant delay, preferably only show a game when it's over.
2021-01-23 18:09
good, they might not have looked but you need to send a message to other teams..
2021-01-23 18:11
CHEATERS
2021-01-23 18:12
#243
Jame | 
Poland SebL
Fair one.
2021-01-23 18:14
For 10k they will laugh at you (esic) and keep doing. U guys are such an idiots lmao 10k for such a victorious org like vitality kkkkkkkk
2021-01-23 18:14
#245
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Hungary raffai
Seriously? Shame on us
2021-01-23 18:18
1 reply
Lost all respect I had left for you guys. Pathetic cheaters
2021-01-23 18:23
How could you tell from a cam that they weren’t cheating? How?
2021-01-23 18:19
2 replies
It's a Vitality bootcamp, how can you assure that they don't have a secret radio room and wireless airpods under the headset?
2021-01-23 18:22
1 reply
Exactly
2021-01-23 18:59
I knew they were playing to well to be true
2021-01-23 18:20
#249
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Georgia NikaT
shame
2021-01-23 18:21
CHEATERS
2021-01-23 18:23
lul
2021-01-23 18:23
so stupid wtf vit got cucked by staff
2021-01-23 18:28
10K its nothing for them
2021-01-23 18:35
why we need lans back
2021-01-23 18:38
esic can you ban asian teams please ?
2021-01-23 18:41
expected from FR
2021-01-23 18:46
LOL KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
2021-01-23 18:46
That's why I don't likefrench people, the worst community
2021-01-23 18:47
1 reply
flag
2021-01-23 18:49
Shitality fanboys, where are you?
2021-01-23 18:48
how about we limit it to 1 coach per team + 6 players in the room. no 12 coaches and 6 players.
2021-01-23 18:53
Their fine should be fucking higher. 10k is nothing for a team that stream sniped to earn a lot of money. Get them disqualified as well. Where is the justice for the other teams that got affected by them? lol
2021-01-23 18:55
Ban this chiter kids volvo plis check them pc now
2021-01-23 18:55
#278
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Norway Triplex02
Blast is pussies for not banning them
2021-01-23 18:57
#282
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Argentina Retegui
I saw in the twitch chat that their coach was seeing the stream, but many people said that it was he's POV lul
2021-01-23 18:58
1 reply
#292
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Argentina Retegui
In the twitch chat one person said that he was watching the stream*
2021-01-23 19:14
damn
2021-01-23 18:58
While s1mple playing against CIS coach - bug abusers, ZywOo cheating by himself
2021-01-23 19:03
someone will say, what a bs, but i will say as long as they are consistent with applying fines and other measures against every team, it is gonna be fine
2021-01-23 19:05
only 10,000 ? they should be banned
2021-01-23 19:15
#294
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Sweden X-rAy
mibr would be DQ without thinking and saying zero tolerance. has to be equal to everyone money means nothing to them
2021-01-23 19:16
only 10k it's like a joke in community face... SHAME
2021-01-23 19:33
1 reply
You get 600$ per smg kill so that's 17 ump kills. Zywoo should get that quick I think.
2021-01-23 21:40
#313
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France MarcoXY
Wow
2021-01-23 20:47
ESIC giving money fine ahahahaha you can say for this ESIC fuck off and not pay nothing they are nothing its not goovermant or police
2021-01-23 21:03
2 replies
True, but do you think that all the tournament organizers would invite your org again?
2021-01-23 21:44
1 reply
if its tier1 team will invite becouse 1 or 3 tier1 teams not in tournament and your tournament direct shit and you not get so mutch views and money and sponsors will say in tournament no 1 - 3 tier1 teams fuck your tournament we not give money for your org
2021-01-23 22:57
#317
mir | 
Russia M13F
Not only is there half the population of France in the room during the match, but now this...
2021-01-23 21:08
10k lol? That's like 15 smg kills XDDDDDDDD gg vita
2021-01-23 21:39
VAC BAN
2021-01-23 23:53
#330
RpK | 
Finland Lattee
Money sink
2021-01-24 00:30
Huge advantage they shoudve been disqualified...
2021-01-24 00:35
shouldve at least disqualified them
2021-01-24 00:35
axaxaxaxa that's it?
2021-01-24 01:08
10K is nothing for them, yeah true but I see it more as a warning from preventing streamsniping. At the very least, it will discourage teams to cheat in the future. But maybe Vitality should've been banned for the next tournament.
2021-01-24 01:19
deserved
2021-01-24 01:41
>Zero tolerance policy >10k fine Pick one
2021-01-24 03:12
1 reply
10k just cause they can
2021-01-24 03:18
so they are innocent but ESIC wins free money.great move, ESIC
2021-01-24 03:17
#341
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Australia VironP
I mean the atrean has a pretty big delay, so nothing happened really
2021-01-24 03:25
cheater
2021-01-24 06:32
10k lol month salary in moscow xD
2021-01-24 07:24
#349
ztr | 
Sweden Goudi
so LITTLE? LOL then you can cheat your way up to the top ROFLMAO. Typical Amenek stream sniper #1
2021-01-24 13:11
What a joke, they've doing this for months, hide the voice comms and got just 10k fine kkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-01-24 16:24
#351
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United States (exactly)
Who gives ESIC their power? Like who is going to stop the teams from playing if they don't pay the fine? Would ESL or Blast or Flashpoint say that a team can't play if they have an outstanding fine? Doesn't make much sense to me.
2021-01-24 17:17
Even if they had heard the staff they only could get a little valuable info like where the enemies were playing at or what the enemies were trying to do in the previous rounds due to thd delay. Those kinda info are not even worth taking a risk to get.
2021-01-24 18:14
mmmm ok
2021-01-24 19:06
So why isn't Liquid fined, only vitality?
2021-01-24 20:15
#359
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Finland RonSo
yet became 3rd place, thank fuck navi won and got them out of the tournament.
2021-01-25 00:44
Presumably, Vitality has the best player in the World in their ranks. Why cheat?
2021-01-25 03:54
That's why I would put s1mple at #1 spot. Dirty baguettes
2021-01-25 13:01
ESIC needs to make an example, i.e. denying prize money. Anything that compromises the integrity of the sport calls for severe sanctions - to send a signal. It seems that compromising the integrity of the sport still makes it profitable..
2021-01-25 13:29
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