ESIC open investigation into alleged complicity of Heroic players in coaching bug abuse

The esports watchdog has received information from Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen which triggered the start of a formal investigation.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has opened an investigation into HUNDEN's claims that players in Heroic were aware of the coaching bug abuse after receiving evidence from the team's former coach.

HUNDEN's claims will be investigated by ESIC (photo courtesy of Heroic)

"On 4 September 2021, Mr. Petersen sent ESIC information which he alleges provides evidence that the players who were playing for Heroic at the time of Mr. Petersen’s exploitation of the spectator bug were complicit in his exploits," ESIC explains in the latest entry to their Open Investigations Register.

"Despite the fact that this allegation is contrary to previous public statements Mr. Petersen has made, ESIC has opened a formal investigation into the matter." ESIC didn't reveal additional details about how the investigation will progress, only stating that they will "make further comment on the investigation in due course."

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HUNDEN implicated his former teammates in the coaching bug abuse in an interview at the end of August, but the two parts of evidence he provided to back up his claims were only released on September 3 via TV2.

A part of a conversation between HUNDEN and Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen specifically implicated the current OG player, who was quoted as saying: "Everyone on our team knew it. Maybe not the first time. But after. Everyone knew that." Meanwhile, René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen was connected to the abuse through server logs that reportedly imply the player helped HUNDEN get into an otherwise unreachable position where he triggered the coaching bug.

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Regardless of the process starting, Heroic seem set to compete in the playoffs of ESL Pro League Season 14. As of now, the esports watchdog hasn't issued any recommendations regarding the Danish team, such as to exclude the team from ESIC-sanctioned tournaments as they did in the Akuma case. ESL are yet to comment on the matter.

The following players were a part of Heroic at the time of the coaching bug incident:

Denmark Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller
Denmark Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund
Denmark René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen
Denmark Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen
Denmark Johannes "⁠b0RUP⁠" Borup

Denmark Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen (coach)

Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
989
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.68
Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
696
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
Denmark Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1233
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1148
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1340
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
#3
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United Kingdom Calham
oof
2021-09-06 17:51
10 replies
#120
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Ukraine Chrisjkk
ez perma ban for cheating cadian one more time god hunden prooven to haters that he is the goat
2021-09-06 18:47
3 replies
That will not happen. Given the fact that Hunden was initially banned for 12 months and it was later reduced to 8 months. It’s unlikely they get ban for more than 12 months. But you never know, and I could be wrong.
2021-09-07 03:47
2 replies
#215
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Iceland suriel666
i think they should actually face a higher penalty, because they tried to get away with it for so long now, knowing full well what they did
2021-09-07 09:02
1 reply
It's a possibility We'll see what ESIC does
2021-09-07 09:06
Lets never forget... CADIAN!!! Where is that one guys CSGO lessons Cadian!? Its been over 6 years CadiaN. Real CSGO fans will remember CadiaN. Also go Akuma!
2021-09-06 18:50
5 replies
So not only a liar but a cheater too.
2021-09-07 01:11
What was happened 6 yrs ago?
2021-09-07 02:44
3 replies
Guy won a contest for csgo lessons from CadiaN and cadian never gave him the lessons
2021-09-07 02:54
2 replies
Thats a lesson in itself
2021-09-07 07:45
1 reply
XDDDDDDDDD
2021-09-09 11:21
RIP
2021-09-06 17:51
51 replies
BAN THOSE WANKERS
2021-09-06 18:01
50 replies
#52
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Honestly I think ESIC will have to let this one slide. Its obvious alot of players were aware of their coaches abusing the bug. I think Richard Lewis or Thorin spoke about this but surely you wouldnt find it sus that your coach was all of a sudden having massive reads out of no where. If ESIC ban heroic its gonna spark something where alot more people are found to be involved and its gonna result in half the scene being banned. Imo the only solution to this is either a warning or a fine
2021-09-06 18:10
47 replies
If they dont they might as well say cheat is ok.. No it needs to be ban on the players not the org obviously
2021-09-06 18:15
31 replies
100% ban all of the fucks The org should get a punishment if ESIC finds clear evidence but if not let the org rebuild normaly without those cheating scumbags Cheating should be a zero tolerance +1
2021-09-06 18:19
7 replies
this. For us plebs cs is just a game but these guys earn their living of of it. If you cheat your coworkers in your job, you will get fired as well. They all knew it was cheating, if they were indeed complicit they should get banned as well.
2021-09-06 18:46
You don't get it bro. They would potentially have to ban half of the pros in top 30 teams today. That could mean the end of csgo pro scene , it would make csgo the laughing stock of all the eSports scene , shit load of work will have to be put in to actually catch all the pros involved , money will go down the drain , all the banned players will go to valorant and take their fans with them and suddenly that trash game will bloom , and csgo will take a massive hit and the cheating issue will be more controversial and trending than ever. Even if they ban all of heroic , they would then demand investigations against all the other teams whose coaches got banned and eventually esic would have to start lying with "not enough evidence" and let all the cheaters go. Don't forget 40 fucking coaches were involved in this , not just hunden
2021-09-06 19:42
4 replies
how? where is all the proof of the rest of the scene? there is only this, not on half of the pros in top 30 teams
2021-09-07 00:22
2 replies
take every coach that was found to use the bug. say that every player who was a part of those teams knew about it and ban them all. that's a fuckton of the scene. That's what he's saying.
2021-09-07 03:52
1 reply
#219
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Iceland suriel666
there was a fuckton more evidence on Akuma than all the players from other teams whose coaches cheated, yet they didn't ban Akuma ..
2021-09-07 09:08
Good get rid of them. Hard work pays off.
2021-09-07 01:13
#218
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Iceland suriel666
ESIC even claimed to go for a "zero tolerance" strategy lol .. so now they can keep their word
2021-09-07 09:07
they need more proof, hunden better have some better evidence than the stuff he's showed so far or none of the heroic players are gonna get anything
2021-09-06 18:20
4 replies
#88
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Canada Minami
TeSeS is done for anyway because Hunden needed a boost to cheat. Maybe they can save the other players, though
2021-09-06 18:31
3 replies
he claims that it was teses but from what michau said it looks like he could be telling the truth but it's not 100% certain still isn't enough to convict and he has already lied to esic so they can't just trust him
2021-09-06 18:47
2 replies
#220
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Iceland suriel666
he literally submitted server logs .. where Teses and hunden join the game before the others and an experienced referee said it is viable to explain a coaching bug setup
2021-09-07 09:09
1 reply
it can explain is not proof the referee has litterally said it's not definite proof on twitter i don't understand the bug so i don't know how u tell this stuff but it's what he has said on twitter
2021-09-07 12:55
i think that all know, some of the players did know about the cheat, also, why should hunden not speak the truth now, also tv2 and Pimpe are 98% sure about they did know, and worst helping cheating, maybe the proof are not good enough for a banned, and if thats the case for me heroic can go bip them self, i never trust them again..
2021-09-06 18:27
3 replies
Helping cheating? F*** is this? You didn't cheat or you don't? It's binary there's no middle ground.
2021-09-07 01:16
2 replies
dumb or something? helping cheating is the same,
2021-09-09 19:38
1 reply
And that's what I said: there is no "helping cheating" as you either don't chest or you do (helping cheating is cheating). Bro, you really didn't grasp the context. I eve explained it with binary choice.
2021-09-09 22:52
#96
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India spiderCAKE
The org should be banned too. It's clear that the org was actively involved in covering it up otherwise, why would they retain HUNDEN as an "analyst" after being found guilty? Look at mouz. They kicked Rejin after he was found guilty and that was that. No more drama. It's clear as day that the players knew about the bug being exploited. The org, players and HUNDEN - all agreed that HUNDEN would take all the blame, HUNDEN would still keep his job at Heroic (probably because he threatened to ruin them all back then) and this all blows over. But obviously, things went south within the org later on for whatever reason and this is the result. Heroic players' radio silence is a sign of guilt for me right now.
2021-09-06 18:36
13 replies
#135
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Think how many other players would have known. Only team that arent guilty is probably Astralis of the top of my head. Sadly its the case but for the CS scene to continue you have to accept the ban wont happen
2021-09-06 19:07
8 replies
Apply that logic to the world of cycling and we'd all still be celebrating Lance Armstrong as a hero lol
2021-09-06 20:04
7 replies
#168
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Right I dont follow cycling so cant really comment on it but lets say football. If 4/5 top teams were banned which had all the following ect you think that sport is gonna be anywhere near as big? Like imagine the world cup if it was fucking league 2 teams lmao
2021-09-06 20:32
5 replies
I don't need to imagine it because it literally happened with cycling. If you allow cheating in your sport do you think it will be anywhere near as big?
2021-09-06 21:39
4 replies
#195
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Im not saying allow cheating...
2021-09-07 02:35
Only a "few" in cycling got caught compared to the 1000's doping and basicially back then you couldnt win without being doped. Certainly not an excuse and its disgusting but they should have been pretty much banning every pro cyclist and team back then.
2021-09-07 07:52
2 replies
Yeah for sure, unfortunately it's only possible to ban the people you can actually provide solid evidence against. That doesn't mean that you don't ban the ones that you do catch because there are 'too many' of them though as #135 is saying. I used cycling as an example because I remember one major event having over 40 of the top 50 riders disqualified for cheating or something ridiculous like that. They didn't decide to let them off to 'save the future of the sport' because they aren't fools and they realise that people lose interest in sports when integrity is in question. The majority of top teams aren't in question here as suggested, mainly one, but even if they were I can't abide waiving a ban on the basis of what is basically "but they did it first Mum"
2021-09-07 14:05
1 reply
I agree completely
2021-09-07 14:39
Ye, what’s funny is that it wasn’t only Lance Armstrong everyone was cheating at the time, it was just a matter who was cheating the hardest and smartest.
2021-09-07 03:49
Bro, this is so wrong on so many levels.
2021-09-06 19:46
1 reply
why?
2021-09-07 22:04
It's not even same org
2021-09-07 12:29
1 reply
???? Did Heroic's ownership change?
2021-09-07 22:03
I'm not well read on this subject, but tell me how is it reasonable that the coach is banned while the player(s) is not
2021-09-06 18:17
3 replies
#134
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United Kingdom OllieUK
I agree with you but if you want a CSGO pro scene to exist then its something where they will have to fine it and basically say in future reference will result in a ban. As most top teams had coaches involved in this would mean that majority of the top players would likely be banned. It sucks it comes to this but if you care about the scene you dont want everyone being banned sadly
2021-09-06 19:05
2 replies
Maybe so, but when it comes to laws and rules and such I think it is so important to exercise it consistently, because otherwise it just arbitrary and it loses credibility. We are then not equal to the law no more.
2021-09-06 19:15
F*** them all bomb them all. It's burning people who deserve it means making a crazy wipe I'm all up for it.
2021-09-07 01:19
That's basically what they did with stream sniping. "Everybody does it, so we're not going to take any action against them". Good job esic.
2021-09-06 18:35
10 replies
#132
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Problem is anyone saying that every single pro should be banned if they even knew about the coach cheating means that basically we would be left with the astralis core and maybe 10-20 other pros how to kill cs esports in 1 week
2021-09-06 19:03
1 reply
#146
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Slovakia Daev0n
Exactly what I was writing
2021-09-06 19:09
#144
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Slovakia Daev0n
Afaik, they issued a "non tolerance policy" from that point onward, which was the right call. If you think banning the entire scene is good then you are beyond saving. You would have like 5 teams out of the Top 20 which wouldn't be banned. They could've fined them yes, but banning players is unreasonable and doesn't help the scene in the slightest.
2021-09-06 19:09
7 replies
The thing here is that we moved from "it's impossible to cheat on LAN, nobody would risk their careers and easy money" to "don't ban everyone who "cheated" because we will be left with 4 or 5 teams." I really don't care, if you don't want to ban people for streamsniping, you should do some kind of money penalty for sure. Specially with that, they did multiple advices until they come up with that "from now on..." Rule, that's comical when they banned now Hunden for 2 years, when there was no rule against it and no one taking advantage of it (because nobody opened) and they gave him a shorter ban period when he really cheated. It's all wrong.
2021-09-06 19:31
3 replies
#165
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Slovakia Daev0n
Ehm, this "cheating" didn't happen on LAN. But I agree with your point.
2021-09-06 20:09
1 reply
Sure, I wanted to point that people think pros will never cheat, when it's obvious that some of them will do it of they have the chance.
2021-09-06 21:16
Yeah, that is the biggest problem from the point of ESIC - if they do not take action as firm as they did with HUNDEN and others, they will be discredited for being biased. But if they do, they open up a lot of implications for other teams. Hence why they should have investigated waaaay better before dealing with those bans last year. Bear in mind that this is also something that comes after a breach of contract that should be handled by Heroic and HUNDEN only, but they chose to interfere for the best sake of CSGO pro culture. If they let the coaching bug supporters slide, it would be easy to pin the whooole situtation as double standarts. Really complicated
2021-09-06 21:14
... in other words we accept cheating.
2021-09-07 01:20
2 replies
#193
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Slovakia Daev0n
OR, you will have nothing to watch except shitshow teams like SAW, FPX, Dignitas...
2021-09-07 01:42
1 reply
Then I will quit. I don't watch them anyway. Integrity or piss off. Sadly money wins.
2021-09-09 22:46
#203
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Pakistan red_nx
F*ck them kids
2021-09-07 04:08
1 reply
+1
2021-09-07 04:12
#5
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Finland dittmarmor
Pog
2021-09-06 17:51
#6
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Bulgaria goshyy
This is so messed up xd
2021-09-06 17:51
#7
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Slovenia dootie
spicy
2021-09-06 17:51
Crazy really
2021-09-06 17:51
Nice
2021-09-06 17:51
damn
2021-09-06 17:51
#11
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
no shit
2021-09-06 17:51
Ban those rats
2021-09-06 17:51
Tier 1 treatment
2021-09-06 17:52
OOF
2021-09-06 17:52
#15
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United Kingdom badger2908
rip heroic
2021-09-06 17:52
unfortunate situations for everyone including the cs community.
2021-09-06 17:53
11 replies
#26
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Albania HLTV_God
that cheaters will be banned? its good
2021-09-06 17:55
10 replies
when players from any professional organization get banned or are involved in conspiracies to cheat the system or make an unfair advantage for themselves it is never good for the surrounding community. It only brings the game down as a whole, so yes...it's not a good thing for cs.
2021-09-06 17:59
2 replies
#45
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Albania HLTV_God
Hmm sure if the bug never got used it whould be better... But since the bug got explored we all know that all that has been cought have cheating coach and players.. This will most likely be the only case where players gets punnished unless other orgs dare to misstreat the old coach... My guess is 100-500k$ bribe to all old coaches
2021-09-06 18:03
1 reply
#221
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Iceland suriel666
even if some coaches would imply their players in complicity, they would have to provide evidende, aka server logs for example or comms, etc. i doubt many more coaches were as smart as Hunden to keep that data around, as they probably wanted to keep a low as possible profile and not have it traceable back to them. Hunden surely knew this is wrong, but it might come in handy saving some evidence... "just in case" :D
2021-09-07 09:16
Lol they won't
2021-09-07 12:35
3 replies
#257
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Albania HLTV_God
They will be banned or CSGO is dead
2021-09-07 14:58
2 replies
CSGO is already dead
2021-09-07 18:38
1 reply
#264
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Albania HLTV_God
Hahaha only competitive game in eSports
2021-09-07 18:52
I feel a lot more disgusted and distant from csgo pros after these bug things. I'm sure there's many like me. Why would I watch a cheater's game? There's mm for that already.
2021-09-07 13:59
2 replies
#258
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Albania HLTV_God
Yes? Thats why banning them is great. It's to bad every team won't get banned
2021-09-07 14:58
1 reply
banning them won't fix a thing. it's a culture problem. also if a ban-sweep really happened, it would be fatal to cs imho
2021-09-07 15:04
rip
2021-09-06 17:53
GOD HUNDEN!!!!
2021-09-06 17:53
2 replies
+1
2021-09-06 20:32
#177
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Russia 13FHG37
+1
2021-09-06 21:18
good
2021-09-06 17:53
#20
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France d0py
HEROIC BANNED YES sad for cadiaN tho
2021-09-06 17:53
4 replies
Yeah thats how he did the 1v4 with p250 and awp
2021-09-06 17:55
3 replies
#62
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India Alphazito
That was after hunden got kicked :facepalm:
2021-09-06 18:14
2 replies
U missed the joke my friend
2021-09-06 23:28
#198
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Albania JonZherka
2021-09-07 03:17
What a mess!
2021-09-06 17:54
#22
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Albania HLTV_God
rip cheaters
2021-09-06 17:55
#24
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Lithuania Airforlife
Karma is a bitch. You fight fire with fire
2021-09-06 17:55
Nothing gonna happen. It will be a settlement between organization and ESIC. take ss of this comment. They will proof that Hunden is wrong & guilty.
2021-09-06 17:55
16 replies
Kinda feels like that sadly. I dont wish that they did it, but some part of me wants to see justice and not a brush under the rug. This is a case close to the type you see with famous people avoiding paying tax and getting away with it because they are famous. They did it, but they are to popular of a team and brings viewers to game, so ESL dont want to ban them. AKUMA dosent bring in viewers, so no problem suspending them for a while.
2021-09-06 18:09
4 replies
True! I also don't like these. Famous peoples get away with these and those who are not famous they face the punishment. I really don't have any example from the CS community to back up my statement but still...
2021-09-06 18:31
2 replies
#99
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India spiderCAKE
FREE FORSAKEN
2021-09-06 18:38
1 reply
Bruh! Are you serious?
2021-09-07 05:15
#222
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Iceland suriel666
i really hope it's not like this this time...and that they take on a popular org and its players, because evidence was provided and everyone knows they knew but yeah cadiaN mentioned in the press conference that they're already "in contact with ESIC", so that kinda says they're already negotiating their options and the ban, depending on how the react .. like if they say "we're guilty" -> ban reduction, "we didn't know, Hunden evidence is fake" -> will probably get prolongued and case won't be closed
2021-09-07 09:21
#57
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Spain N0Love
It looks to me that HUNDEN is a lying piece of shit that is claiming this right now out of spite because he signed with astralis, gave them inside info of Heroic' strats, Heroic sued him for that and then ESIC banned him 2 years. He initially claimed no player was aware of it and now he claims the contrary. Either he lied then, or he's lying now, he's a liar cunt anyway.
2021-09-06 18:12
8 replies
He is, but theoretically he could lie about "no one knowing" just to protect other players. Now that ESIC & Heroic started this sh*tshow with another ban for him he decided going full blown and taking hostiles with him.
2021-09-06 18:26
He lied in time when everything looked like he will stay with Heroic and covered his players, maybe even he had something promised by org if he tell that only he is responsible in that matter. Now Heroic ruined his career so why he cant go with true on public? If they really expected him to be happy when they ruined him, well here we go...
2021-09-06 18:28
2 replies
true
2021-09-07 03:32
#223
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Iceland suriel666
+1
2021-09-07 09:22
#96 and HUNDEN actually has evidence for his claims this time
2021-09-06 18:38
Bro, he said nobody knew because Heroic kept him undercontract, they forced him to lie, just like other coaches did. In theory he shared the stratbook because Heroic management was harrasing him because he wanted to move to Astralis after they kept him under contract. About 2 years ban for sharing those strats, has no sense at all since it wasn't a rule, Gla1ve and ropz did some tweets about how unfair that's.
2021-09-06 18:42
True. Even if this is legit, and the players knew about it + receive punishment...Hunden should receive an additional 1 year to his ban, 3 years total, or banned forever for lying during the initial investigation.
2021-09-07 05:12
1 reply
#224
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Iceland suriel666
and so should the players and the org, because they wanted to get away with it and forced Hunden to play the scape goat
2021-09-07 09:23
#63
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India aR__
This ^^^^^, if they take action against those low lifers they will have to take action against more people... Sadly, these low lifers will be free soon and no action will be taken against them.
2021-09-06 18:14
There's literally nothing in public leaks that would be enough evidence to make them guilty, some dogshit 3 sentence conversation between him and player and no context, didn't even include question he asked, wonder why. - We went to McDonalds again and it was so fucking good. - Everyone in the team knew - Yes - Maybe not after the first time but they knew Hunden is lying rat and there's reason why he leaked it first without full context instead of waiting for investigation. Trying to ruin heroic reputation before going out of door
2021-09-06 20:47
And so on and so on....
2021-09-06 17:55
#29
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Finland AliSabid
welp
2021-09-06 17:56
Haha good bye xiters.
2021-09-06 17:56
List should be bigger. Problably many players knew about it.
2021-09-06 17:56
#32
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United Kingdom fluxify
RIP
2021-09-06 17:57
#33
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Poland ethereal0
is IEM fall esic sanctioned
2021-09-06 17:57
2 replies
#60
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Spain N0Love
Every BLAST and ESL tournamets are ruled under ESIC decisions.
2021-09-06 18:13
1 reply
#67
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Poland ethereal0
anonymo going to IEM fall i guess
2021-09-06 18:16
#34
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Latvia sonofdog
I'd laugh so hard at cadian, talking on social that he is working hard to get good results, when he cheated to get them what a prick
2021-09-06 17:58
Most likely nothing will happen, if the proofs Hunden has released to the public, is all he have... Then it's word against word. Hunden is not to be trusted in this matter, the problem with this is that there is nothing the players can say to get rid of the blame and hate, doesn't matter if they knew or not, doesn't matter if TeSeS helped Hunden exploit the bug or not, there isn't any proof that they did, and there isn't any proof that they didn't... Besides that, there really isn't a reason why TeSeS would boost Hunden up in catwalk, it's not like he got any more information out of being 2 ft higher off the ground, for that matter... Hunden could have just asked TeSeS to boost him up there, without telling him what the boost was for. Not trying to clear the players of blame, i still believe CadiaN is capable of cheating atleast, but as of now there really isn't much to support Hundens statement, which is probably why ESIC hasn't excluded them from ESL 14
2021-09-06 18:07
#36
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Germany Ryuzth
RIP in Pepperoni Cheaters))
2021-09-06 17:59
#38
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Paraguay imjustmau
cya in hell cadian
2021-09-06 17:59
rip og again
2021-09-06 18:01
Nice, those stickers will go up in price, thx
2021-09-06 18:02
not funny
2021-09-06 18:02
GOOD! get those cheaters banned
2021-09-06 18:03
13 replies
#55
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Poland f3nce
hunden is banned though, what's your point
2021-09-06 18:11
12 replies
the players will hopefully get banned too, thats the point
2021-09-06 18:14
11 replies
#91
Xyp9x | 
Poland f3nce
cheaters* I don't judge anyone without any clear evidences, let ESIC to the job
2021-09-06 18:33
10 replies
+1
2021-09-06 18:35
ok, and im supposed to care? couldn't care less if you judge them or not lmao
2021-09-06 18:39
7 replies
hltv discussion level
2021-09-06 18:41
6 replies
imagine defending cheaters lul
2021-09-06 18:57
5 replies
where I defend them?
2021-09-06 18:59
I literally said I don't judge anyone, so please shut up either baiter or dumbest man I had to discuss on this site.
2021-09-06 19:05
3 replies
you didnt "have" to discuss with me. no one forced you to reply after your first one :) cant wait to see the article of the players being banned
2021-09-06 19:07
2 replies
can't wait to see them being fairly judged.
2021-09-06 19:34
1 reply
uuuuffhhh, that hurt!
2021-09-06 19:36
+1 HUNDEN might as well be lying to drag people down with him... nobody knows until ESIC makes it clear of us
2021-09-06 19:01
#44
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United Kingdom Jerry2805
Honestly they should investigate all the players that played under coaches that got banned, as they should also have been aware of the coach bug right?
2021-09-06 18:03
3 replies
+1
2021-09-06 18:40
#186
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Finland Nollegee
+1
2021-09-07 00:19
hard legion cheated their asses of like this xD
2021-09-07 10:11
GG
2021-09-06 18:04
#47
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Georgia Megobari
F for Heroic
2021-09-06 18:05
1 reply
F is for fuck it
2021-09-06 18:48
bye bye heroic
2021-09-06 18:07
refrezh is clean? niceee
2021-09-06 18:09
If ESIC punishes the Heroic players for being complicit, ESIC should penalise Hunden a second time for lying about the players not knowing
2021-09-06 18:10
1 reply
Won't happen, unless the players come clean... As of now the released evidence isn't enough to support Hundens allegations
2021-09-06 18:12
S N I T C H
2021-09-06 18:11
if niko is involved, does that mean he will be kicked from OG?
2021-09-06 18:13
2 replies
#72
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Australia sm0go
Yes, OG will more than likely punish him.
2021-09-06 18:19
1 reply
why would OG punish niko? Ofc they will have to get someone to replace him if he gets banned but nothing else
2021-09-06 18:45
bb cheaters
2021-09-06 18:13
Sad, it’s just sad, these are good players :(
2021-09-06 18:13
invstigate match fixing pog
2021-09-06 18:15
#68
JK | 
Asia flipflop
Chandler HUNDEN Bing - If I'm going down, I'm taking everybody with me.
2021-09-06 18:16
#69
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Finland Doto_top1
BAN THOSE CHEATERS
2021-09-06 18:16
#71
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Australia sm0go
I'm confused. Didn't ESIC already investigate this matter? Why on earth did they not check if the players were involved in the first investigation? Or are they just that incompetent Not saying the players don't deserve punishment but ESIC is a joke.
2021-09-06 18:17
3 replies
well they take actions when social medias bitches about them not when actual cheating occurs so...
2021-09-06 18:26
Maybe because they didn't have evidence back then? Do you expect ESIC to have psychic powers and read players' minds? Do you understand what whistleblowing is?
2021-09-06 18:42
Because hunden said to them he was the only one. No coach implicated their player's. Plus, it's hard to tell how many players knew about it. They couldn't go after player's unless they had some evidence against them.
2021-09-06 19:32
Lessgo
2021-09-06 18:19
and it starts, intresting they didnt recommend excluding them from tournaments, maybe there isnt that much confidence...
2021-09-06 18:22
8 replies
The dude keeps lying. He was either lying to them during the investigation or is lying now. Either way he was found guilty twice so this investigation looks like a formality since he gave some kind of proof.
2021-09-06 19:36
3 replies
why? you think they wont get banned?
2021-09-07 11:16
2 replies
I think he is lying and this investigation isn't going to go anywhere.
2021-09-07 20:51
1 reply
if he didnt present anything useful, they would not start an investigation
2021-09-08 10:35
#226
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Iceland suriel666
they just started the investigation lmao .. why would they recommend TOs to exclude them when they're not even finished
2021-09-07 09:30
3 replies
they did this with akuma right?
2021-09-07 11:14
2 replies
#242
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Iceland suriel666
*after* they investigated and found extreme suspicious betting activity tied to the team, aka match-fixing
2021-09-07 11:40
1 reply
oh rip, i was thinking maybe astralis could make the playoffs after all
2021-09-07 12:15
Let's gooooooo
2021-09-06 18:23
#78
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Russia mshkoda
One year ban i suppose for both Teses and Niko
2021-09-06 18:24
Hope they let it slide
2021-09-06 18:25
#80
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Ukraine futplxyer
ok this is the first step towards ESIC gaining some credibility, now the punishments handed out to heroic players will be key in deciding whether esic are the "good guys" or just paid off by the corporate guys....
2021-09-06 18:26
5 replies
+1 All 5 players should be banned for atleast 5+ years. Not only did they cheat but they lied about it and if it wasn't for hunden snitching we would have never found out that the entire ORG was involved.
2021-09-06 18:28
2 replies
#98
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Ukraine futplxyer
2 years is reasonable. krad and forester should get 5+ years with all of Hard Legion players- coach used the bug in 200+ maps
2021-09-06 18:36
1 reply
200+? holy shit xD
2021-09-07 10:10
+1 couldn't have said it better. There's literally nothing in between: if esic don't hand out punishments then they lack the spine to acquit t1 orgs. We don't need a UN of csgo
2021-09-06 19:08
#227
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Iceland suriel666
+111
2021-09-07 09:31
BAN THEM ALL AND DISQUALIFY THEM FROM EPL
2021-09-06 18:27
7 replies
why? some where not even in the team when it happened
2021-09-06 18:36
6 replies
because s1mple_numba_wan knows better than ESIC
2021-09-06 19:03
4 replies
nt no scene #137
2021-09-06 19:07
3 replies
nt no flag
2021-09-06 19:08
2 replies
#228
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Iceland suriel666
he has the flag of Europe wtf
2021-09-07 09:32
1 reply
cause he doesn't want to show his country
2021-09-07 13:41
Ban all the 5 players who were playing at that time. I'm not saying ban refrezh or sjuush
2021-09-06 19:07
I feel like half the news articles about cs these days are about matchfixing or cheating
2021-09-06 18:27
1 reply
The spectator exploit is pretty huge my man. Coaches got their bans but now it's round two, towards players recieving punishments - so this wont be the last time we hear about this...
2021-09-06 18:49
ESIC is in HEROIC'S pocket and this is all for show, prove me wrong otherwise and punish heroic. I doubt they will do anything tho, just look at the face of that esic commisioner- if he was an actor he would likely be playing the corrupt character
2021-09-06 18:31
gg :(
2021-09-06 18:35
cya in 10 xiters
2021-09-06 18:36
#102
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United States ashrock
Hunden just ratted out Heroic due to spite between them, and TBH, most likely another team that was aware of the camera bug cheated as well. It's just they weren't ratted out and haven't been involved in the controversy. Heroic must be cursing themselves for dealing with Hunden for all these controversies he brought and possibly another iBuypower at worst. LOL
2021-09-06 18:39
1 reply
its their own fault tbh by how they acted
2021-09-07 10:08
Huge player ban incomming
2021-09-06 18:40
Well, by the looks of it niko and TeSeS will be banned and Stavn, cadiaN and Refrezh are all fine? Lets wait for more info ofc. We dont know the full picture yet.
2021-09-06 18:43
2 replies
Refresh wasnt in the team then
2021-09-06 18:45
1 reply
Ah yeah! I forgot about that ^^ But the others :)
2021-09-06 18:49
Gambit winner of ESL Pro League Season 13. Clutch was nice af - but as it turns out xited. hltv.org/matches/2347028/gambit-vs-heroi.. Just kidding ESIC will just give slap on wrist.
2021-09-06 18:43
Hunden +1 year for lying in the first investigation Lets wait what will come out of this shambles
2021-09-06 18:44
3 replies
hunden did it to cover his teammates but it turns out they kicked him xd so he wanted fair punishment or smth
2021-09-07 04:26
1 reply
still lying in the investigation. who cares about the motives.
2021-09-08 14:04
#229
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Iceland suriel666
+2 year for players and Org for trying to get away with it
2021-09-07 09:34
imaging if heroic wins again Pro League, people still say xiters? no more hunden cam, grow up! if ur br stop talking nonsense
2021-09-06 18:44
#114
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Germany who|cars
lets gooo ban all xiters
2021-09-06 18:45
I'm expecting so hard ESIC to ban Heroic from EPL S14.
2021-09-06 18:45
Sad days for CSGO, CSGO-community, Heroic, and OG. Hopefully the case is proceeded carefully and the consequences will be fair.
2021-09-06 18:46
#117
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Brazil Anarchybr
Bye bye cheaters Hope not only the players but the org also get banned And niko kicked from OG
2021-09-06 18:46
cant wait for news
2021-09-06 18:48
Banhammer when Make sure it's both the org and the players
2021-09-06 18:50
Danish cs crumbling. Soon Astralis cheating will leak. I know my neighbors, they are naughty little devils
2021-09-06 19:07
4 replies
Astralis are actually close to Being the only team NOT involve in any cheats
2021-09-06 22:27
3 replies
Don't speak in absolutes. Problem is tho, if Heroic goes down. Where the fuck is Danish cs? That was ur last hope
2021-09-06 23:20
2 replies
What are u talking about they are a consistent top 10 t team.. lots of talent around many teams with Danish players
2021-09-07 16:46
1 reply
Lego-Knektar
2021-09-07 16:55
Rip ^^
2021-09-06 19:08
nothing will happen btw
2021-09-06 19:08
#145
jR | 
Ukraine zergggg
just ban them all... cheaters
2021-09-06 19:09
too bad nothing will happen to the heroic org and its players considering that they brushed off hunden's allegations so quickly while being perfectly happy to open other cases for months with no progress to show for.
2021-09-06 19:13
3 replies
This is what I think too. They will become an example because "they acted accordingly and respectfully in this case"
2021-09-06 19:51
2 replies
they'll find a way to conclude this as staff negligence and fine the org a small fee
2021-09-07 05:15
1 reply
#230
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Iceland suriel666
this would be such a huge disgrace to the "integrity" of the game, which they are preaching so hard ... "zero tolerance" would also have been a lie and that they're all just corrupt, just like in Vitality stream sniping case, even if not as severe as helping the coach to abuse coach bug remember, players also didn't want to give comms and no comment on media etc, gla1ve also asked cadiaN about this in October if there is no ban for the players and org, ESIC is the biggest joke of CSGO
2021-09-07 09:38
if they ban Heroic then ex-Hard Legion players should be banned 1st
2021-09-06 19:16
1 reply
#231
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Iceland suriel666
+1, but someone needs to leak evidence of that (e.g. server logs), which might not have been saved by their coach, as he might have wanted to keep a low profile and as few evidence connected to him (and the players) as possble. Smart Hunden kept some evidence .. "just in case"
2021-09-07 09:39
I thought Hunden was the esports watchdog
2021-09-06 19:18
#151
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United States Rayduh
Nah
2021-09-06 19:31
Very cool :()
2021-09-06 19:33
#156
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Sweden piCt
You go get em doggo! Its sad for everyone involved, including the whole scene - that all this ever happened. But since it obv did happen. It would be great if esic actually digs deep into this one. Also: The org should get the worst punishment here, due to their try to get everyone to sign NDA´s about cheating. I mean... that sort of NDA´s are REALLY concerning, especially for ESIC. Imagine having to investigate cheating in the future, when the ones who are to participate are not allowed by the org. THAT SHIT IS FUCKED UP!
2021-09-06 19:36
I wonder if Heroic is trying to settle this with HUNDEN lmao
2021-09-06 19:48
Sad for Heroic, they looked so promising. The Next Big thing from Denmark turned out to be a bunch of cheating RATS. Why isnt anyone suggesting Heroic lose their Cologne 2020 title, which they won with HUNDEN?????? 100% cheated. Give trophy to Vitality....
2021-09-06 19:49
#164
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Algeria MagnumDz
its valve's fault .. they build a game full of bugs
2021-09-06 19:51
4 replies
#232
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Iceland suriel666
lmao no, it's still the players' and coaches' responsibility to not abuse those bugs in competitive environment
2021-09-07 09:41
1 reply
#244
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Algeria MagnumDz
its valve's fault .. they build a game full of bugs
2021-09-07 12:01
thats the dumbest take I have read here. thats like comparing it with doping in real sport and similar things
2021-09-07 10:05
1 reply
#243
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Algeria MagnumDz
its valve's fault .. they build a game full of bugs
2021-09-07 12:01
ban all of them
2021-09-06 20:05
3 replies
If ESIC banned everyone who cheated at one point, Eternal fire could very well win the major
2021-09-06 20:37
2 replies
true
2021-09-06 20:38
kek +1
2021-09-07 18:10
why do they show a photo of the current Heroic lineup where as Refrezh and sjuush have nothing to do with what happened a year ago? small detail but I think it puts certain people into the spotlight because not everybody is familiar with what happened back then.
2021-09-06 21:01
2 replies
Refresz is clean
2021-09-06 22:28
1 reply
#233
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Iceland suriel666
they did it once, they might have kept this "culture" in the team and both Refrezh and Sjuush are now familiar with what they do and how they try to get an advantage if they can, maybe bound by an NDA even
2021-09-07 09:42
I personally think there's no way for the players to not be involved when the coach was (and was even banned for it). If the outcome of the investigation is that they're guilty, these players and the Org should not get just a fine and/or warning. Ban them all, for 2 or 5 years or whatever. As for the point that if the players are banned then half the scene would get banned, even better. The CSGO place would be better without all the fucking scumbags who think they can cheat and abuse bugs and get away with it. Specially with the kind of money involved. Of course that's just me thinking as 1 individual. Although I don't agree with it, I can understand the larger scene in general (Organizers, Valve and I guess other large parties) coming to the conclusion that it would harm the overall scene too much and coming to 'some sort of agreement or understanding'.
2021-09-06 21:16
1 reply
I would agree with you tbh. The scene doesnt need so many teams as there are. If a few fall away because they cheated so be it. Rather a smaller scene where people are afraid of getting caught if they do something then a scene like this with tons of matchfixing and things like the akuma case and this coaching stuff
2021-09-07 10:03
A 2-year ban for the roster should be fair. They can still return after it, while a strong message is sent to discourage cheating.
2021-09-06 22:31
1 reply
even 1 year is enough ngl
2021-09-06 22:36
take all the trophies these snakes won and other teams too. ban them before they take any more trophy too.
2021-09-06 22:36
poor cadian cant have pace in cs scene
2021-09-07 02:05
#206
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United States SigmaMale
Why would he drag down his team ?
2021-09-07 04:56
Heroic to vaLULrant
2021-09-07 06:50
#211
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India rivervp
Time to get heroic and cadian banned letss goooooo
2021-09-07 07:19
Lets see if there is any proof, but Im pretty damn sure that if there is not, Hunden can expect a million dollar lawsuit for slander.
2021-09-07 08:27
#216
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Iceland suriel666
> "but the two parts of evidence he provided to back up his claims were only released on September 3 via TV2." i think those were "only two parts" from the whole amount Hunden submitted?
2021-09-07 09:05
Among the 30 coaches banned for using it, None of the players from any team knew it... Lol this is better than Walt Disney Fary tale.... Ofc every player knew it, they just did not implicate them because banning the whole scene would arm viewership, and decrease earnings for investors... $$$$$$$$$$
2021-09-07 09:50
#268
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Singapore 2200DPI
Why some people saying like teses cheat?
2021-09-08 08:31
Richard Lewis explained youtube.com/watch?v=857v-GDiUiU
2021-09-10 03:39
It's about the loss of A LOT of investors and sponsors' Wake Up.. there are over 30 coaches under ban include Navi's coach ' andi , back in 2018, and mouse, MIBR .. There is a reason for those coaches not coming out, this message will probably be deleted like any other
2021-09-16 18:27
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