Expert take: Grenade-dropping update (ft. STYKO, moses, Striker)

Martin "⁠STYKO⁠" Styk, Jason "⁠moses⁠" O'Toole, and Milan "⁠Striker⁠" Švejda share their thoughts on how being able to drop grenades will impact the game in the newest Expert take.

On Tuesday evening, Valve released the 'Operation Riptide' update, bringing about several important changes that are bound to see the meta shift in more ways than one. On top of important adjustments to Dust2 and Ancient and weapon balancing addressing the powerful Desert Eagle body shots and the lacking usage of the M4A1-S, the developers introduced an entirely new feature to the competitive side of the game that allows players to drop their utility just like any other weapon.

The update has stirred up controversy among pro players and the rest of the community, with some welcoming the grenade-dropping change and others going as far as to say that it will break the game. After more than 24 hours have passed since the update hit the servers, the discussion has been a bit more tempered after both camps have been able to argue their case, and we got in touch with a couple of experts to get their thoughts on the matter after the initial shock has passed.

STYKO: "Stockpiling nades towards the area where it's much more valuable is happening [already]"

As a professional player who has already had the chance to practice on the new update, STYKO gave us a unique insight into what his experience has been like over the past day.

"In general people at first were focusing on the fact it will be fine to forget certain nade lineup because you can just toss the grenade to your teammate instead, but on a pro level it happens pretty rarely that you forget these lineups, so from my limited experience throughout practice on the new update I feel like this doesn't change much," the FunPlus Phoenix player said.

"From a CT perspective, stockpiling nades towards the area where it's much more valuable is happening, but this will just make a gap elsewhere on the map and Ts can use this information if they adjust their playstyle. Mindgames are going to take place more often; is there really one CT behind the smoke constantly resmoking from one position or he is doing that on purpose trying to bait us into a stack? People might call this 'gambling,' but at the top level almost every step is just calculated risk. These risks vary depending on the opponent you face, the style of player that anchors a certain position, or in general their economy.

"I personally like the change and update. At first it feels like it lowers the skill-ceiling but I believe it's other way around. It creates more things to consider than not and I welcome these changes into the game. Was it needed? Probably not. Is it exciting? Hell yes."

moses: "Grenade dropping is such a crazy random factor for one week before the RMR"

moses addressed some of the biggest concerns people have brought up and outlined a few ways he believes the newest feature of the game could be used.

"I actually think most of the examples being used about how broken the grenade change is are way overblown and exaggerated," he said. "I'm sure it will be tried and experimented with, but I can't get on board with the idea that B players on Inferno will have a stockpile of three smokes and three Mollies to use so that teams can stack four at A for an entire round. Or that one player will have a stockpile of nades on the T side to execute a one-man fake.

"Utility is going to be most impactful when it's in the hands of the players who are problem-solving scenarios and communicating with their team. Perhaps the place I think we could see dropping nades be the most impactful is a rotator position dropping a smoke to his anchor just in case as his attention is pulled elsewhere. Or an AK dropping a flash to a teammate on a retake to set him up for a play. I think stockpiling will be tried, but I think we will find the benefits aren't much worth the risk."

The commentator and former Liquid coach also laid out some of his own concerns and is cautiously waiting to see how the change will play out in real scenarios before he makes up his mind about whether it's good for the game. "I'm interested to see how repeatedly dropping a flash to clear corners will actually work in practice and think that will need to get patched out regardless of its use in pro play."

moses isn't happy about the timing of the change

"A part of me wants grenades only droppable during buy time, to make sure you can drop teammates to have full utility but without the possibility of further shenanigans in the round. But I'm at least willing to see how things play out and how the pro teams will find interesting ways to utilize the change. Not a fan at all of how this will affect teams/players counting smokes and nades at bombsites throughout a round to gain a strategic edge and tactical advantage.

"My biggest problem is that it's way too big of an update to drop into the qualification process of the Major and then straight into the Major itself. Gun updates and balancing can be handled, but the grenade dropping is such a crazy random factor for one week before the RMR."

Striker: "I'm not as pessimistic about how the change will affect the ability to read information"

I'm also more in the positive camp, eager to see how the meta will be affected. A lot of people seem to think the change will break the game in some instances, the most used example being a solo B site anchor on Inferno potentially having several sets of utility available, but there are a lot of nuances to even the most extreme situations.

One-dimensional strategies like that have big tradeoffs that create weaknesses on other parts of the map that the other team can exploit, so I'm not worried about it being game-breaking. In general, a lot of the risk that is associated with stacking grenades on just one area is probably not going to be worth doing consistently and will be more of a niche used in situations like ecos, where you're willing to take massive gambles.

I'm also not as pessimistic about how the change will affect the ability to read information. Yes, it removes certain guarantees of how many opposing players are in an area if you see multiple of the same type of utility landing one after another, but it also creates a new layer of reading the game, such as being able to tell when it's just one person throwing the grenades or multiple players, even if it's admittedly not always going to be possible. This can be faked as well, and the mind games stemming from that could create an interesting new dynamic.

Overall, I'm looking forward to seeing the ways the top teams will learn to abuse this feature, especially on the Terrorist side, which people haven't talked so much about so far. There are certain positions (A apps on Mirage come to mind) where some grenades aren't very useful, so having that 'useless' utility available to players in a different position will give the offense some extra options.

Where do you stand on the change?

United States Jason 'moses' O'Toole
Jason 'moses' O'Toole
Age:
34
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.93
Maps played:
18
KPR:
0.64
DPR:
0.71
Czech Republic Milan 'Striker' Švejda
Milan 'Striker' Švejda
Age:
-
Rating 1.0:
1.30
Maps played:
11
KPR:
0.90
DPR:
0.64
Slovakia Martin 'STYKO' Styk
Martin 'STYKO' Styk
Age:
25
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
1397
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
#1
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Poland Aiko_
Ok
2021-09-23 17:56
8 replies
#59
OK | 
Peru TheJuan
based stance
2021-09-23 18:49
1 reply
cant believe his gut
2021-09-23 22:55
"A part of me wants grenades only droppable during buy time, to make sure you can drop teammates to have full utility but without the possibility of further shenanigans in the round" THE WHOLE ME AGREES.
2021-09-23 20:04
5 replies
#132
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Albania HLTV_God
Freezetime, and when it's up unpicked nades didsapare
2021-09-23 23:30
4 replies
yep!
2021-09-24 02:05
#155
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Canada zizzle21
no u can leave em in spawn thats perfect amount of strateeygy added
2021-09-24 08:34
2 replies
Yeah but if some players do not have all nades it creates a suttle interesting dilemma and forces the team to act accordingly, like swap position.. Nah I like it the way it was.
2021-09-24 08:50
d2 ct spawn 5 HE waiting for the long push ))
2021-09-24 10:46
>Expert >moses
2021-09-23 17:57
47 replies
+1
2021-09-23 18:06
Dude's been a part of pro-level CS in practically every version...
2021-09-23 18:16
37 replies
+1
2021-09-23 18:17
+1
2021-09-23 18:19
So Thorin and do you ask Thorin about such things? nope except you want to hear bullshit.
2021-09-23 18:36
16 replies
#73
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United States veritascs
Thorin doesn't actually play the game, nor was he a pro player himself. He's just a kook that spews shit to stay relevant. Very different situation.
2021-09-23 19:10
2 replies
wtf? thorin is goat expert
2021-09-24 10:11
1 reply
an expert in goats? is he a farmer or what the hell i arent seeing the connection
2021-09-24 15:14
Thorin has never played top competition in 1.6 or CSGO. Moses has. His brother played top competition in Source, as well (that you don't know who Hare or Moses are says a lot). Also I don't ask Thorin about anything, because I don't trust Thorin's opinion.
2021-09-23 19:15
9 replies
Cs 1.6 has not much to do with csgo. That are different games.
2021-09-24 09:00
5 replies
Moses literally played CSGO in ESEA Invite.
2021-09-24 16:05
4 replies
And I played csgo in 2012. So now I am an expert
2021-09-24 16:16
3 replies
You're trying to equate playing to being an expert, but if you sucked at the game you're not really capable of being an expert.
2021-09-24 16:31
2 replies
Striker and moses suck in the game compared to real pros... Thanks you got my point
2021-09-24 17:33
1 reply
Moses now, maybe, bit your point is false equivalence. He played at a pro level for years, he understands the game regardless of if he plays professionally now. That doesn't just go away. Thank you for proving my point that you were trying to set up a flimsy argument.
2021-09-24 18:18
you dont have to be an ex pro to be an expert. I would go so far and say that you have a better view on the big picture by not having a past as a pro player since you are not biased so much towards the "player view" on a topic thorin is the goat expert (and RL as well)
2021-09-24 10:14
2 replies
You don't have to be a pro player to be an expert, but there are nuances to plays that make considerably more sense when you contrast them with the understanding of in-game fundamentals. Thorin is a historian, but he gets things wrong constantly. RL is about the same, though I value his opinion more.
2021-09-24 16:09
1 reply
well said. I agree
2021-09-27 08:31
A random bitch saying shit by knowing absolutely nothing.
2021-09-24 04:52
2 replies
Oh look: hypocrisy.
2021-09-24 16:06
1 reply
Oh look: A motherfucker.
2021-09-25 06:16
+ he was a COD pro.
2021-09-23 18:52
Is it the same moses that played for United5? Lmao didn't even realise.
2021-09-23 18:58
15 replies
Yup. His brother played CSS for a while after U5, too.
2021-09-23 19:13
14 replies
We don't count that abomination though.
2021-09-23 19:48
13 replies
I mean, considering some of the best CSGO players came out of CSS, I would say it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
2021-09-23 20:08
11 replies
not an abomination but it's no coincidence it was never taken too srsly. it was fun to play and good players could abuse the shit out of it. i had chance to play vs some of the top teams in the end of source. shit was horrendous, u coulndt see a thing for 20 sec when the flashes start coming in etc. also headhitbox double the size of the model and dgl fully accurate running. it wasnt gr8. only reason why there is more css players top level is because the danes and frenchies coming from there were fucking 14yo playing top teams in css.
2021-09-24 11:00
10 replies
Indeed. Also there were just as many if not more 1.6 pro's, just that the majority of them were close to 30 when CSGO became big. Imagine Potti is like 40 now lmao
2021-09-24 15:06
2 replies
Most of the "older" 1.6 pros basically quit or couldn't adapt. Friis, Trace, Zonic, pita, delpan, etc. The leftovers ranged from mediocre to great, it was very inconsistent due to how different the games were. f0rest and GTR did great, whereas markeloff stopped awping (though Edward and Zeus found some success obviously). Neo was never the same player, TaZ practically carried that team early on, then Pasha. Xizt was only really good before others caught up, and Karrigan certainly wasn't the star he was considered in 1.6. It was a mixed bag, and it really didn't have much to do with age.
2021-09-24 16:29
1 reply
I suppose. Would never have considered karrigan a "star" in 1.6 though. Also CSGO is a lot more similar to CSS than 1.6. Goes to show where the true talents lie.
2021-09-25 12:27
Source is practically CSGO with better movement and slightly more arcadey/twitch shooting. The reason it wasn't heavily adopted was because the 1.6 players made a huge fuss out of it, since it wasn't the same as 1.6. Even with CSGO, that was the initial sentiment until Valve started to put their money behind it, which was the primary incentive for players to switch. Also, that's pretty incorrect about the Danish and French players. Most of them were 16-17 or so. Still, the whole thing about 1.6 being superior to Source and vise versa is silly to me at this point. Every 1.6 diehard claimed no Source players could be as good as 1.6 players, and yet a ton of the "top" 1.6 players never properly adjusted. There was never some huge skill gap, the games were just different in execution, and the talent pools were smaller in CSS. I prefer 1.6 to Source, but I've played all these fucking games back and forth, and I personally find it ridiculous that elitism still exists about this when CSGO took over and started out way closer to CSS than 1.6.
2021-09-24 16:21
6 replies
yeah and csgo started as pure garbage. no coincidence biggest tournaments in the end of source had pricepools 1/10th of 1.6 tournaments. the game was joke as an esports title and everyone knew it. fun game like i said but main reasons for css players making it in csgo was that even garbage version of csgo had more potential than their game and on average there was plenty more youngsters coz lack of competition in general.
2021-09-24 17:07
5 replies
That is actually false, CSS ultimately had a far larger prize pool than 1.6 during certain points. It did, however, stop having larger pools after a certain point since the higher viewer numbers were still in 1.6 since the community was so heavily divided (technically the pools weren't dramatically different, but there were more 1.6 tournaments overall). Also CSGO is not really much different from CSS even now. The biggest issue with the game was peek advantage, which is still part of CSGO. But the main reason they made it in CSGO was because the games fundamentally value similar things: reaction time and good aim, whereas 1.6 was far more about positional situations. A lot of what works in CSS/CSGO doesn't work in 1.6 for very solid reasons, and if you think CSS is garbage but CSGO isn't you're just being contraian on purpose. Also your point about lack of competition holds no weight, because if that were true they wouldn't still be playing on top teams in 2021 if their skill level/talent pool was so small.
2021-09-24 18:26
4 replies
lmao css only had huge pricepools in cgs and thats it. following was nowhere near 1.6. i know this coz unlike u i actually played the game. what comes to the "css was more skill driven" absolutely fucking untrue. game was so fucking ez. yes many gr8 aimers come from css but so does from everygame. most of my friendlist who played source were invite level players but most of them suck so fucking hard in csgo coz u actually need aim in csgo meanwhile in css u were god if u knew how to jumppeek with awp and some basic fundamentals of this highly skillful game such as always peek. idk what kind of drugs u take there but ur last paragraph is so stupid it's insane. out of top10 teams there is way more 1.6 players than sourcers.
2021-09-25 17:46
3 replies
I played both games competitively, hence why I mentioned Hare playing Source (which was during the CGS), so excellent job assuming things there, first of all. Second of all, I never once disputed playerbase size of Souce vs 1.6, so that's irrelevant to the FACT that Source had bigger prize pools for almost 2 years due to the CGS. If you want to go into who played what more, we can do that. CSS was absolutely more aim/skill driven compared to 1.6, which valued far more fundamental understanding and intelligence/patience. If you can't ascertain what that means I can't help you. I'm not saying Source was the harder game. Your friends are irrelevant to the conversation in CSGO. I have friends who have won a major, who were invite in Source. It doesn't alter anything. Also, since you're going through mental gymnastics to defend a game instead of being objective, jump peeking in Source hasn't been a thing since like 2009, when they added a huge penalty to it. Tell you what about that last paragraph: name the players who are 1.6 vs Source at this point in top teams. Literally, do it. Here, in fact, I'll give you a better list: Gla1ve, Dupreeh, Xyp, device, 4/5 of the best team in this game were Source players. Get your head out of your ass, you're being biased and it makes you look stupid.
2021-09-25 18:28
1 reply
bro xyp9x was 1.6 player... ur knowledge is as good as ur skill if u think css required any.
2021-09-26 13:17
Also that's my last reply. Wasting time on someone who has a superiority complex over a videogame is a tremendous waste of time: grow up.
2021-09-25 18:38
reported
2021-09-24 08:02
+1
2021-09-23 20:07
Coach of one of the GOAT teams
2021-09-23 18:17
1 reply
#159
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Albania Edjon
nt he didnt coach BLINK
2021-09-24 09:04
#42
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United States Festive_
0/8
2021-09-23 18:23
-1 You have to be either 12 or a fucking retard to think that
2021-09-23 19:36
1 reply
The guy had one good map against Team 3D 19 years ago. How does that make him an expert?
2021-09-24 02:34
#102
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United States PP_Bizon
signup date checks out
2021-09-23 19:39
bald fraud <3
2021-09-23 22:38
+1
2021-09-24 02:31
#4
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United States Rayduh
Why is Striker expert....
2021-09-23 17:57
19 replies
He is fplc player
2021-09-23 17:57
16 replies
#8
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United States Rayduh
oh wow didn't know that
2021-09-23 17:59
I wish lol
2021-09-23 18:01
13 replies
Shhh 🤫
2021-09-23 18:02
kkkkkkk
2021-09-23 18:04
lmao
2021-09-23 18:23
oof
2021-09-23 18:31
kkkk
2021-09-23 18:37
#54
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Croatia Esketite
skr
2021-09-23 18:40
fplc player in our hearts
2021-09-23 18:41
health > anything compared to cs and FPLC sure aint healthy ^^
2021-09-23 18:51
1 reply
Getting good is the difficult part, maintaining skill is easy
2021-09-24 16:01
:DDDDDD
2021-09-23 19:28
haha fpl-croissant maybe :D
2021-09-23 19:39
lol xd
2021-09-23 20:08
hahahaha
2021-09-23 21:30
Congrats, you are on HLTV confirmed :)
2021-09-23 21:04
#9
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Serbia XD___
for how long he has been doing work around pro cs he is at least close to analysts in terms of cs knowledge
2021-09-23 18:00
major winner
2021-09-23 18:01
#5
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United States Melanin807
This will make or break teams in terms of this being the new meta
2021-09-23 17:57
1 reply
you can fake flash with flash
2021-09-23 23:33
OK
2021-09-23 17:58
expert take msl & styko choose one
2021-09-23 18:00
4 replies
cry more bloke
2021-09-23 20:10
Msl is big soy energy cry man. Styko has alwaya struck me as a pretty smart and insightful guy about the mechanics of the game tho :()
2021-09-23 23:52
1 reply
#164
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Norway Balta69
smh MSL always complain about utility since 2012 hltv.org/news/9252/players-speak-out-ban..
2021-09-24 09:21
#175
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Ukraine VoidWave
+1 striker is the only expert out of these
2021-09-24 14:12
MSL always crying about changes got news for you mathias my man nowadays you're as much as a pro as 90% of hltv users are and apparently crying just as much as us as well
2021-09-23 18:02
1 reply
#64
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United States qoietsammy
dude created a terrible team that disbanded within 20 days because they couldn't win tier 4 and then says that an update that will test pros ability to adapt and create new strategies is terrible.
2021-09-23 18:58
I agree with both Moses and Styko on pretty much everything
2021-09-23 18:02
6 replies
I agree with STYKO almost everytime as well. He is really smart.
2021-09-23 18:20
4 replies
+1 tractor man bestest
2021-09-23 18:22
1 reply
vroem vroem
2021-09-23 18:40
+1 🚜
2021-09-23 19:28
+1111
2021-09-24 16:00
+1
2021-09-23 19:40
styko goat
2021-09-23 18:02
#17
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Japan Inlivino
my boy styko droppin the truth
2021-09-23 18:02
People fail to realise that by the time allnades are thrown collected and recycled the opponents will figure it out mostly
2021-09-23 18:04
#20
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France PowwneD
Just releasing this and apply it one week before the RMR is absolutely retard
2021-09-23 18:06
Gained even more respect for moses. Yeah this update 1 week before the BO1 group stage RMR event is gonna make this a random shitshow, but beyond that an interesting meta is about to develop. ""My biggest problem is that it's way too big of an update to drop into the qualification process of the Major and then straight into the Major itself. Gun updates and balancing can be handled, but the grenade dropping is such a crazy random factor for one week before the RMR.""
2021-09-23 18:08
11 replies
#26
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Russia WiHuu
+1
2021-09-23 18:15
you need to be an expert to tell the world captain obv. These articles are a joke and an insult for real experts.
2021-09-23 18:33
9 replies
They actually make money from knowledge about this game, so yeah, they're experts in CS:GO
2021-09-23 19:05
4 replies
nope they are entertainer. So we can ask a clown next time
2021-09-23 19:35
3 replies
That's both untrue and unjust
2021-09-23 19:37
2 replies
nope. Moses gets paid for his voice and to entertain people on twitch. Striker gets paid to write articles and bring facts to the people, but not his facts nope facts outside of his own mind. Both are entertaining not experts in the game.
2021-09-23 19:39
1 reply
Calm down Mr angry german Save that for your political career
2021-09-24 00:59
So who is the real expert and what did they say wrong?
2021-09-23 19:31
3 replies
They said nothing wrong but when you ask an expert. Then you have to expect him to say sth you don't know. otherwise, you don't need these experts.
2021-09-23 19:36
2 replies
#126
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North America hi_mens))
Sometimes things aren't that deep and you certainly don't speak for everyone when it comes to understanding things. Some people need the obvious pointed out for them, in fact that's the case more often times than not considering how lacking common sense is these days. I'm sure there's tons of basic information you haven't a clue about
2021-09-23 21:58
You are of course not incorrect but the way hltv frame their article might also be at play. They write "expert take" so of course expectations are high. You expect deep analysis of the possible impact and predictions that makes sense. If they phrsed the article smth like "initial thoughts about the update from prominent people in scene" you would probably not have any problems with that. Blame clickbait culture rather than antagonize moses or styko for not being experts even though I think its safe to say they are.
2021-09-23 23:26
the early signs of Valve reacting to Valorant by offering some much needed quality of life improvements. This combined with shorter round count for comp and the adoption of different type of official deathmatch (akin to comunnity servers) feels like a much needed adrenaline shot to keep cs fresh.
2021-09-23 18:10
2 replies
And just like adrenaline, this freshness will wear out quickly
2021-09-23 23:33
1 reply
It's not like cs needs a gimmick. The 30 sec game play loop has already been perfected for quite a while, however these flavors of the week tweaks/adjustments are a good way to make sure it doesn't get stale. You're not changing the dish just adding a new sauce every once in a while :)
2021-09-24 00:37
#24
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Russia ToughGuy
maybe next time ask more "experts"
2021-09-23 18:10
2 replies
Name the real expert then
2021-09-23 23:31
1 reply
#160
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Other go1x1n00b
ask me, i'm the greatest expert in the world
2021-09-24 09:05
Rip inferno B entry
2021-09-23 18:11
EXPERT TAKE: >Styko tier 4 team >moses 34 years old >Striker "Expert" in serbia
2021-09-23 18:15
7 replies
nice geography
2021-09-23 19:09
he is 34, so what? more time to be expert of cs?
2021-09-23 19:16
You are wrong on everything. (Except on age - but age is not an argument here lol.)
2021-09-23 19:30
#108
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United States PP_Bizon
yeah striker is a top tier serbian, I couldn't imagine him being from any other country. Especially not Czech Republic or something ridiculous like that.
2021-09-23 19:44
Name the real expert then
2021-09-23 23:31
1 reply
Me and other HLTV enthusiasts that know every single script in the book
2021-09-24 01:40
#143
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Serbia eliiiiii_
wtf
2021-09-24 00:55
drop 5 smokes in A site, explode in B site, GG in mm match
2021-09-23 18:15
expert take... wat?????
2021-09-23 18:16
Dropping nades is way to exciting n we could see more innovative executions , Pro players are supposed to evolve according to meta instead of crying . Yeah timing is a bit off but changes like this r always welcome . Doesn't T's push through smoke during execution? Even if u stock pile nade on inferno B site with 1 man, but if team pushes n gets that man thn suddenly that stock belongs to enemy n good luck retaking thn
2021-09-23 18:17
2 replies
+1
2021-09-23 18:55
+1
2021-09-23 19:31
CSGO "Experts" xd xd
2021-09-23 18:18
3 replies
Name the real expert then
2021-09-23 23:30
2 replies
blade for example. An igl and a coach who analyst his whole career csgo and what is possible Or a gtr who knows what matters at highest csgo level. Or a gobb who always abused advantage in the game. But knowledge isn't all you also need the talent to explain it other people.
2021-09-24 09:05
1 reply
gob b cs goat
2021-09-25 07:16
#36
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Ireland IX!
love this kind of article, hope there's more in the pipeline (when appropriate obv)
2021-09-23 18:18
make them only able to be dropped during buy time, problems solved.
2021-09-23 18:21
1 reply
Ok but then people would just shoot the grenades over to the position. XDD Not fun.
2021-09-23 19:31
stopped reading at striker calling himself an expert. lmfao.
2021-09-23 18:27
Apeks kkkk
2021-09-23 18:28
#45
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United Kingdom Haychpi
+1
2021-09-23 18:29
wouldn't u be able to designate one player on t as support, just give him all the team's flashes so he can chain flash the entire team out, well that's if the team is going for an aggressive take, useful for change in tempo ig
2021-09-23 18:32
Casters and journalists now ingame experts for pros. Maybe I ask my car washer about physic theories.
2021-09-23 18:32
11 replies
So, an expert of terrorism should only be a terrorist. A expert on violent crime should only be a mass murder ?
2021-09-23 18:44
10 replies
There is a reason why "analyst" are ex pros. And when you see what they "said" in the article is literally nothing. It is captain obv. Real experts can bring sth on the table not everyone expects. You see when a get_right or n0Thing do an analyst job, the quality goes straight up.
2021-09-23 18:46
9 replies
yeah there are reasons but how does that not make them experts of the game?
2021-09-23 19:02
8 replies
And Moses play cs 1.6, used to be a coach, it is not like they ask a random guy at the grocery store. And if we follow your logic, getright and nothing are not experts anymore.
2021-09-23 19:07
1 reply
yeah i dont get his point
2021-09-23 19:15
experts atm people who know the game better than most people. I don't see it here. What they contributed as "experts" could tell you every facit lvl 7 player. So we can call ourself all experts. Great next article with random hltv users. Experts are people who play the game at highest level and know what they do or did. I would call zeus or GobB an expert not Moses or a journlaist.
2021-09-23 19:34
5 replies
why do you think these people dont know about cs?
2021-09-23 19:59
4 replies
II never said they don't know cs... I said these aren't experts that is a difference.
2021-09-23 20:04
3 replies
they are tho? styko played on top level for a long while and moses has been in the scene for litterly ever xd
2021-09-23 20:04
2 replies
Where did I mention styko?
2021-09-24 09:06
1 reply
thought you where talking about everyone but ignore that part
2021-09-24 14:02
Honestly I think that fake(the try atleast) was genuis and creative!
2021-09-23 18:36
3 replies
#58
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China HEIDASHUAi
Yes
2021-09-23 18:47
yeah thats why its cool update
2021-09-23 19:15
Creative I agree - plus they got rekt so it's not like people can cry that dropping nades is OP. XD
2021-09-23 19:32
Who cares
2021-09-23 18:53
"expert" xaxaxa
2021-09-23 19:00
totaly agree with styko
2021-09-23 19:01
#69
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Bangladesh Santho
This apeks video is a perfect example how NOT to use grenade dropping lol
2021-09-23 19:02
#79
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Spain Nepomu
Msl career is even sadder he should shut up
2021-09-23 19:17
This opens so many tactical possibilities that IGLs like MSL should be excited, but instead he is crying lol. When you can't frag, then at least try to outsmart the opponents but apparently, coming up with new creative meta-defining ideas is too much for MSL.
2021-09-23 19:20
Lol that clip - spend all that money on util to try to fake but it's nada. Got read like a book. XD
2021-09-23 19:23
>Styko >pro player pick one lol
2021-09-23 19:26
didn't ask moses
2021-09-23 19:30
Can’t wait to see a bunch of tier1 matches with this update. Exciting for viewers forsure. If the pro scene makes a huge stink about this update so you think it will be changed or stay permanent regardless of whining
2021-09-23 19:31
#99
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United States PP_Bizon
Striker: Writes article Also Striker: Puts himself in expert catagory
2021-09-23 19:36
8 replies
yeah funny
2021-09-23 19:40
#107
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United States PP_Bizon
Also I feel like nobody is commenting on the fact that stockpiling nades somewhere won't really be possible in most economical situations
2021-09-23 19:41
1 reply
And if one guy rush mac10 first on a partial, discover the stack then all other follows can just follow him. The other team has just lost the bombsite and has given free nades to the terro.
2021-09-24 03:50
your move PP_Bizon: youtu.be/Xn4oo5in0UI?t=2624
2021-09-29 16:48
4 replies
#203
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United States PP_Bizon
I'm confused
2021-09-29 19:57
3 replies
they took note of the comments in this hltv thread and made joke about it in HLTV Confirmed
2021-09-29 19:59
2 replies
#205
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United States PP_Bizon
But why should I make a move
2021-09-29 20:15
1 reply
idk maybe you can get a really nice house somewhere
2021-09-29 20:23
moses the bald tactical genius
2021-09-23 19:41
still lose the round LOL
2021-09-23 20:06
Dropping grenades is ridiculous. Its basically a new territorial advantage for the T-side, or even FREE entire round based on it. What do I mean? Mirage, a single terrorist flashes only one spot, which blind the entire A site and CT, while jungle and stairs are smoked anyway. Counter-terrorists are forced to play retake no matter what, or they will end up with a bomb plant and 4v5 against an enemy, who will still have flashbangs in their spawn (xD) to deny/slow down the retake. Same goes on B-site for inferno (as long as terrorists have banana/car control). The area between sand bags and grill is basically free to take with a single guy flashing the entire time (considering CT is smoked). With all those flashes there won't be any need to smoke coffins, which the terrorists could smoke as soon as grill, giving themselves some extra time to focus on less space. Won't even mention dust 2 long doors is now "terrorist" long doors. And Dust 2 B rush after door smoke. Mentioning only basic things from the most-played maps. Can't even imagine B-site on Ancient or Monster control on Overpass.
2021-09-23 20:10
7 replies
Keep in mind that both sides have equal amount of nades (the difference being that molly is slightly more expensive as CT) so it's not like this benefits T-side only.
2021-09-23 23:49
6 replies
This guy thinks he guy can throw 10 flashbangs for his teammates in 3 seconds lmao
2021-09-24 00:23
4 replies
Throw 10 flashbangs at the same chokepoint. What happen if nobody is there and ct wait for retaking the site. It is overblown a bit.
2021-09-24 03:53
2 replies
True, but from here come two different occasions: 1) There is somebody there - he would be constantly white and wouldn't be able to do much, therefore exposing himself for a free (or surely a trade, favoring the T's) kill. 2) There isn't anybody there. But here the T's are still having easier time cleaning the angle, not constantly worrying someone might ruin their entire attack from them. Like this sort of grenade usage is in favor of strengthening the map control overall the map, not needlessly getting a free kill. And the terrorist economy favors them much more, so if they win 3-4 rounds they can execute this tactic without much of a problem. For what is 2000$ of 5 terrorists, that have 3 or 4 rounds win in a row? EDIT: The entire idea is that this update is making everything much more T-sided.
2021-09-24 09:44
1 reply
The m4a1, dust2 changes are ct sidled thought. It is sure teams will caught off guard by new tactics but I don't see as a game breaker.
2021-09-24 13:12
Why would you need that? Since the guy throwing throws them at a specific point, which his teammates are familiar with and know where not to look at, while the CT's are either constantly blinded or blinded in action.
2021-09-24 09:39
But you can't afford for one person to just carry grenades towards another one as CT. While as T it is much more affordable.
2021-09-24 09:37
why does it have "an experts take" then a quote from a level 7 i dont understand
2021-09-23 20:18
We shall see
2021-09-23 20:23
Armor drops when?
2021-09-23 21:38
1 reply
Its already there in danger zone
2021-09-23 23:39
I don't like the timing, but I definitely like the change. This game needs to be shaken up some.
2021-09-23 22:29
Everyone became expert with Internet on his phone, just haha
2021-09-23 23:15
The take that experts have to be former pros is so ridiculous. In all sports some of the worst takes are from pros. They know a lot about holding B but spend no time looking at the macro level of the game like analysts and journalists do. You can see it on podcasts every day.
2021-09-24 01:32
Interesting thoughts.
2021-09-24 06:28
So now plebs in NaVi can drop all their utility to S1mple. On next update they can they their vests and helmets. Update after that they can drop their remaining HP to s1mple. Valve realizes this isn't enough so they'll increase the maximum armor and HP single player can have. Then s1mple can run around with AWP while having 500 HP + 500 Armor. Let the good times roll!
2021-09-24 08:52
aim targetted players gonna win so much first year in 2 years aim will be less important :D
2021-09-24 09:42
>MOSES >EXPERT PICK ONE
2021-09-24 15:12
stop crying MSL TIER 3 PLAYER
2021-09-24 17:17
interesting
2021-09-24 17:43
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