ESIC apply minor sanction to niko in complicity of HUNDEN coaching bug abuse; clear Heroic quartet

The esports watchdog has handed Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen a light disciplinary punishment pertaining to his complicity in Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen's cheating exploits after exceptional circumstances were factored in.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has released their findings regarding former Heroic coach HUNDEN's claims that players on the team were aware of his abuse of the coaching bug.

The result of the month-long investigation issues only minor sanctions to niko, who received a lenient sentence as a result of an admission of guilt in combination with exceptional and special circumstances, which involved HUNDEN manipulating the player's trust with the knowledge that certain medical conditions affect his judgement, making him heavily dependent on those he trusts around him.

The quartet of Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller, René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen, Johannes "⁠b0RUP⁠" Borup, and Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund were found to have "no case to answer for" as there was insufficient evidence to reasonably conclude their guilt under ESIC's Integrity Program. Notably, HUNDEN did not include b0RUP in his allegations whatsoever.

The majority of the former Heroic roster were cleared of any involvement (Photo courtesy of Heroic)

The esports watchdog parsed through information submitted by HUNDEN — including, but not limited to, a written statement, an anonymous witness, screenshots of messenger conversations, and a voice recording of a conversation with niko — as well as conducted a review of evidence in detail with each of the involved parties, including Heroic staff.

While ESIC found there to be insufficient evidence to find the above mentioned quartet guilty, niko admitted his culpability in the situation, and accepted a plea bargain arrangement with ESIC that will have him receive:

1. A severe public reprimand for his behaviour
2. A warning as to future conduct with severe consequences for any future breach of the ESIC Integrity Program
3. Mandatory attendance at two one on one education sessions with the ESIC Commissioner of minimum 30 mins duration each
4. A minimum 15-minute check in with the Commissioner every month for a minimum of six months to ensure he has understood and is complying with the ESIC Integrity Program and to offer him support for any issues he might be having in this respect

A failure to abide by any of the above conditions will result in niko receiving a 30-day ban, at minimum, from ESIC member events.

The exceptional circumstances that led to the lenient punishment, as detailed by ESIC, revealed that niko has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's Syndrome, which ESIC was informed would "significantly impact his ability to know right from wrong, make values-based decisions on his own, and communicate effectively in a conventional way."

As a result of the two medical conditions, niko was heavily reliant on people he trusts, with HUNDEN being one such person, having been a mentor and teammate of his on multiple occasions. ESIC found that HUNDEN deliberately fostered and exploited niko's trust at a timing that was convenient to him, with niko willingly going along with HUNDEN's proposals without a full understanding as to the implications.

According to ESIC, the 23-year-old was made to believe that the exploitation of the bug was no big deal, humorous, and that all of his teammates at the time must know of it and be complicit in the same way.

The report goes on to explain how almost all knowledge of the spectator bug's existence among the players came from HUNDEN himself, lightly and in a joking manner through conversation.

The manner in which it was lightly touched upon, via casual banter and in a strategic manner, is compared to the tactics a matchfixer would use in gauging their peer's opinions regarding their corrupt behavior and their willingness to be complicit in it, and one that can be played off in case of any push back.

Regarding the allegation that TeSeS boosted HUNDEN into a specific position in a match against Spirit, ESIC found that there was no evidence that pointed towards TeSeS having any knowledge of what HUNDEN's purpose behind the boosts were, making it a hearsay argument between the two parties.

The absence of objective evidence led to ESIC needing to make a decision between which witness their believed, with the watchdog group stating that they had not identified any evidence that indicated TeSeS believed HUNDEN's requests to join the server 20 minutes early were abnormal, nor that he was aware of any specific intention behind the instruction.

One final assertion made by ESIC indicates that three of the players may have found out that the bug had been used following the team's match against Astralis as there is evidence of a post-game TeamSpeak conversation between cadiaN, niko, stavn, and HUNDEN, where niko states that HUNDEN had revealed to him in a message that he was in the bug.

Despite remaining skeptical due to the loss, an unfamiliarity with niko regarding serious situations of this manner, and there being no obvious instances pointing to HUNDEN's use of the bug, cadiaN and stavn made "a clear stand against cheating."

However, the situation was never escalated to Heroic, allowing the situation to be easily glossed over — something which ESIC condemns the players for. Commissioner Ian Smith found this specific instance to not be enough to sustain charges in complicity towards any of the other players though, outside of niko's admission of guilt.

“I expected a flood of 'evidence' of other teams’ players being complicit in their coaches cheating with the coach bug, but this has not happened," Mr. Smith said in his closing remarks. "I believe I have explained why I think this is: that the players did not need to know, but I also accept that there were players that, like niko, did know and should have come forward, but didn’t.

"I hope this changes in future as people know that ESIC will investigate fairly and sympathetically in the best interests of esports. Competitive integrity is key to the sustainability and increased commerciality of professional elite esports. If people lose faith in the product, it is the players that will suffer most and I hope all players accept that we are all in this together and that ESIC is here to protect them.”

Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1012
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
719
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
Denmark Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1277
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1175
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1363
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
wow
2021-10-18 10:33
20 replies
#98
JoJo | 
Belarus Kerk
niko has these health conditions and still beats ur ass in cs
2021-10-18 10:59
9 replies
What he has doesn't make you play worse...
2021-10-18 11:15
8 replies
+1
2021-10-18 11:48
+1
2021-10-18 11:54
it does actually, adhd makes it harder to focus (for me atleast) caffeine helps though
2021-10-18 12:31
2 replies
In many cases, people with adhd are able to "hyper focus" on certain things.. Mainly gaming in my experience.
2021-10-18 12:48
1 reply
yes i do have those moments, not all the time though
2021-10-18 12:53
#275
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United Kingdom novaseer
damn, there goes my excuse, i'm definitely MG2 because i'm an aspie and not just because i can't aim
2021-10-18 12:34
1 reply
#310
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Singapore 2200DPI
It's good to know that there are others who share my point of view. My doctors pointed out these tendencies to me when I was younger, but I became aware of them later in life when I could not track unexpected opponent's movements in games. Overconcentration doesn't happen to everyone, and basically you can't stay focused.
2021-10-18 13:07
#298
JoJo | 
Belarus Kerk
Do u have aspergers and adhd?
2021-10-18 12:52
Never thought I’d see NewCastle end up first in anything
2021-10-18 11:30
2 replies
2022 you will see
2021-10-18 22:09
1 reply
I hope so
2021-10-18 23:36
#173
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Uzbekistan gafurman
look at this clown trying to be #1 in the comments without even reading the article
2021-10-18 11:35
2 replies
You exposed him, good job
2021-10-18 11:38
#271
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Europe robo1234
ESIC should also ban him from making useless comments.
2021-10-18 12:31
OMEGALUL
2021-10-18 11:52
Ok but cadian will never be clear because he still owes that one guy his csgo lessons from 2014
2021-10-18 17:01
2 replies
Underrated comment hahahahaha
2021-10-18 18:43
this!!
2021-10-19 11:51
How much heroic ceo paid to ESIC?
2021-10-18 10:33
45 replies
did you read the article? LOL
2021-10-18 10:35
16 replies
yes. Made up bs just to save cheaters asses
2021-10-18 10:35
14 replies
Fax, no way Valve would allow such scandal to go out in a broad day light
2021-10-18 10:38
did you read the article? LOL
2021-10-18 10:39
9 replies
Yes article correct omg article right Notice how everyone who got reprimanded isn’t in Heroic??? Convenient huh...
2021-10-18 11:12
8 replies
article is purely bullshit with avoidance words starting paragraphs as "however" "despite" just trying to amenize lol joke cs has become a joje
2021-10-18 15:15
7 replies
#560
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United States charybids
WTF is amenize?
2021-10-18 19:39
6 replies
reduce, avoid
2021-10-18 19:45
5 replies
#574
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United States charybids
amenize is not an English word
2021-10-18 19:55
4 replies
english language is broken
2021-10-18 19:55
3 replies
#577
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United States charybids
Yeah, specially when random people corrupt it by anglicizing words from their native languages.
2021-10-18 19:59
2 replies
assuage is so much easier to remember
2021-10-18 20:11
1 reply
#660
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United States charybids
Does it matter? Portuguese (?) speakers probably wouldn't understand if I wrote something like "só tentando assuager"
2021-10-22 21:21
I was expecting something proper but goddamn this is disappointing.
2021-10-18 10:54
Valve should have support heroic cause that would have been so bad for them company Just imagine the game that the pro league champion is cheater
2021-10-18 11:14
If it was made up and HUNDEN truly did have some damming evidence, not just a phonecall which he secretly recorded with niko in August of this year where he got him to say "errhh... im pretty sure everyone knew" or sth like that HUNDEN would've released it by now to the public. This was just an attack on HEROIC for not letting him leak strats to Astralis.
2021-10-20 19:40
Do you believe anything that is written by a figure of authority? How naive.
2021-10-21 11:34
#24
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Indonesia woooi15
niko knows but the other 4 doesnt? bs is obvious
2021-10-18 10:36
9 replies
read the article
2021-10-18 10:38
1 reply
I read that. I call it bs, unless heroic pros are totally stupid and incapable to realize what's going on. It reeks with nonsense and excuses.
2021-10-21 11:35
#122
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Sweden quacke
The article clearly says that the others also knew, aside from maybe b0RUP. cadiaN and stavn found out after it was used vs Astralis, and spoke up against it.
2021-10-18 11:15
5 replies
Yeah, because they are very trustworthy, right?
2021-10-18 19:38
4 replies
lol, yeah so let's just put them into jail because they are not trustworthy lol, you have to have proof of someone's guilt, without it one can only speculate.
2021-10-18 20:15
3 replies
Maybe read the comment I responded to before saying anything. What I was implying, with my reply, is that you can not trust the words of either stavn or Cadian. I do not need to be educated on the basis of legal principles by someone who spams "lol".
2021-10-18 20:46
2 replies
#597
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Sweden quacke
The story I am telling did not come from cadiaN and stavn, it came from a TeamSpeak conversation submitted as evidence. Read the article. I do not need to be educated on the basis of legal principles by someone who doesn't read the article.
2021-10-18 20:55
1 reply
xd
2021-10-21 00:22
Maybe there's actually a reason he got BENCHED out of nowhere even though he was performing well, and there were no problems in the team that you could see at the time
2021-10-19 16:42
#70
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Mongolia 7DoA
niko is no longer affiliated with heroic so heroic has absolutely no reason to pay ESIC to write shit like this. Maybe except to defend the current roster. Also an org would rather let go a member and get a new one instead of paying all those money to defend him. niko wouldnt want to spread info like this publically. Especially if its a misinfo
2021-10-18 10:46
7 replies
that's why no one in the current roster was sanctioned
2021-10-18 10:57
6 replies
If call that sanctions to niko, then LMAO
2021-10-18 11:40
5 replies
Well, it's more like esic having ridiculous amounts of mercy for niko, but the point was none else got anything, not even a joke sanction.
2021-10-18 15:49
4 replies
it seems to me more that esic just didnt want to punish players for that and in case of niko they were given proof that he knew and they just had to do something unless that would look very bad
2021-10-18 17:41
#619
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Finland CorryCS
tbf I have a friend with Aspergers and its extremely difficult for him to tell right from wrong in these types of things, so its definitely possible that this played a role in niko's judgement so a harsh punishment wouldn't be fair
2021-10-19 10:08
2 replies
Yeah honestly the only people who wouldn’t agree it plays a part have never actually bothered to pay attention to these disorders
2021-10-21 00:24
#661
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Portugal antCB
A CS pro player wouldn't/shouldn't have an hard time figuring out cheating is a big no-no. With whichever difficulties/disabilities he has. But I understand why he would have an hard time thinking for himself. He was being groomed into by Hunden.
2021-10-31 05:34
Yeah, pretty convenient, all current Heroic players were completely cleared of allegations, niko, as the only player still in a tier 1 team gets the full blame(compared to what the other players got) and borrup who is in tier 3 gets just ignored. Full win for Heroic
2021-10-18 11:43
3 replies
BIG flare Talking about tier 1 teams
2021-10-19 16:45
‘full blame?’ you do understand that 1. he didn’t even get banned and 2. HUNDEN is the one who is to blame and has already been punished….?
2021-10-21 00:25
1 reply
from the blame that got out (excluding hunden ofc) only non heroic players got any sanctions might have been worded unclear
2021-10-21 19:31
"A minimum 15-minute check in with the Commissioner every month for a minimum of six months to ensure he has understood and is complying with the ESIC Integrity Program and to offer him support for any issues he might be having in this respect" has to pay them every month in cash, you can assume yourself how much money is needed to take 15 minutes to transfer from person to person.
2021-10-18 11:43
1 reply
xaxaxaxax six months snowjob
2021-10-18 15:17
Heroic and ESIC are owned by the same organisation
2021-10-18 12:56
2 replies
#348
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Norway JaHNdy
Please find me a link which proves this... Heroic is owned by OMAKEN, which is "listed" in the OTC market in Norway... Please do your homework next time you throw out wrong allegations
2021-10-18 13:54
1 reply
His point is obviously crap. Prob still thinking back when godsent/Astralis/Heroic and blast events were owned by the same company which is obviously no longer the case That being said the primary customer of ESIC for csgo at least is ESL who has Heroic as a partner team which could be seen as a conflict of interest (I don't see it as such but it could be seen)
2021-10-18 19:40
#639
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India rivervp
A lot lot bro, Heroic ez cheaters as always, the org and the players.
2021-10-20 22:06
#3
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Austria Ostmark
nice I guess
2021-10-18 10:33
3 replies
#390
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France sAeR
Nice from Elite Silvers Internanional Clowns (ESIC) I wish the worst for Heroic :)
2021-10-18 14:43
2 replies
cry is free
2021-10-18 15:12
1 reply
cs have no blood left
2021-10-18 15:17
goodbye hunden
2021-10-18 10:33
#6
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Europe dejap
ratio
2021-10-18 10:33
1 reply
#616
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United States Jaksin
-1
2021-10-19 03:24
XD
2021-10-18 10:34
lol
2021-10-18 10:34
Wtf
2021-10-18 10:34
it's just hard to believe to not know your coach is cheating imo but thats just my opinion
2021-10-18 10:34
8 replies
do you Think forsaken’s teammates knew he were cheating? because I agree that they should know but forsaken was more obvious IMO
2021-10-18 10:45
6 replies
I don't know, you can clearly see f0rsaken's team mates having the "career over" face of surprise when the ref start digging in to his computer, I'm not saying some of them didn't know, but the guy sitting next to him was clearly genuinly surprised.
2021-10-18 11:06
4 replies
Suprised that he got caught
2021-10-18 11:51
3 replies
#356
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United States Valerence
“surprised that he got caught” mf was aimbotting through walls 💀
2021-10-18 14:00
2 replies
He just had insane game sense.
2021-10-18 14:14
1 reply
it is always the question of, if you found an amazing bug / cheat / exploit and you made a lot of money out of it would you share it? Cos I wouldn't ....
2021-10-18 20:18
different situations though, do you think kqly's teammates knew he was cheating? These players are often more than just teammates, they are friends who trust each other. I think to think ur teammate is cheating is the last thing on their mind. With the coaching situation, if your coach calls the right play, strat, counter strat, every time. I think it comes quite obvious. It's just hard to believe they didn't know. It's like the Astros and their cheating situation. The whole team and coaches knew they were cheating. It was a player driven scheme.
2021-10-18 11:35
#545
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Finland Lindeni
Yeah ban S1mple as well, cheater scum!
2021-10-18 18:55
i have adhd and ive never cheated. shit excuse
2021-10-18 10:35
9 replies
In combination with Asperger?
2021-10-18 10:39
do you have Asperger's Syndrome as well? or just wanna take the half you relate to so that you feel better putting someone down
2021-10-18 10:42
3 replies
#256
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Finland Ekkkku
+1
2021-10-18 12:16
+1 he does have a shit life for sure
2021-10-18 12:51
1 reply
You don't know that based on a single comment
2021-10-18 16:51
Well, if you had Hunden as a coach, then he might have fooled you too.
2021-10-18 11:27
did they tell ppl with ADHD are cheaters? xD
2021-10-18 12:22
it's clear you have it seeing you didn't read the article
2021-10-18 13:21
1 reply
#615
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Hungary anw_
+1 lmao
2021-10-19 03:19
ESIC xD
2021-10-18 10:35
haha hah nice
2021-10-18 10:35
Bye hunden, NT to ruin heroic
2021-10-18 10:35
1 reply
+1
2021-10-18 12:49
#18
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Netherlands tblgk
how much?
2021-10-18 10:35
As if Teses didn’t know. Why the f**k would he be boosting his coach 20 minutes before match start.
2021-10-18 10:36
1 reply
"Hey bro boost me here I want to see if I can peek X spot." "Okay."
2021-10-18 19:26
#21
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Latvia heywire
total garbage. Heroic are in ESIC pockets confirmed. Remove this fucking disgusting org from esport immediately do nothing for the integrity other than satisfying their own human greed.
2021-10-18 10:37
5 replies
The whole coaching bug prosecution was them wtf are you talking about. And they went after Hunden. And they went after Akuma as much as they could. They fight match fixing all the time. Fined Vitality for the running stream in the back. Banned Forsaken. You say they do nothing just because you don't like one decisions where they say: we don't have evidence it's just one person's word against another
2021-10-18 12:07
3 replies
how about Fiend ?
2021-10-18 12:11
they made a silence statement it was dictator's team
2021-10-18 15:19
#518
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Lithuania trippens
XDDDDD
2021-10-18 17:34
+1 based argument and only proper way of dealing with this mess.
2021-10-18 15:19
#22
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Lithuania marusgg
cringe lulroics
2021-10-18 10:36
Well, this case just proved how useless ESIC is for the csgo scene. Matchfixing exists in na and eu but lets ban au players cuz why not. The whole team and the org knows about coach bug but lets ban only the coach. ESIC=shithole Cheatroic=cheaters, disband soon anyways cuz of z e r o sponsors LUL /closed
2021-10-18 10:39
10 replies
Where does all these new hltv members, that only talk shit about CS, come from? I think someone is organizing to make the CS community as toxic as possible, I just don't know why...
2021-10-18 12:15
7 replies
Reading though this, I was thinking exactly the same.. Jesus christ this forum is getting worse and worse
2021-10-18 12:53
5 replies
Same tbh, also, where are the complaints against the players from the 36 other teams who's coaches abused the bug? It's funny how narrow sighted the hate is
2021-10-18 13:50
4 replies
This is what I've been thinking about ever since this case came to light. People keep talking about Heroic as if they are the only "cheaters" that knew of their coach's doings, yet they don't point fingers at any of the other teams that also had a coach ban, all just because of the beef between Hunden and Heroic
2021-10-18 16:00
1 reply
Dude I just don't understand these people. Did they not learn from the fall of NA that you can't just shit on everything and everyone for anything they do or don't do? These guys are going to bring about the end of cs and it doesn't even seem like they care about if what they're outraged is legit or not... Oh well
2021-10-19 13:46
This case is only one thing, all news articles in here are just full of hate comments. Why do people have to hate on everything that don't completely fall to their liking?
2021-10-18 18:33
1 reply
#614
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Denmark utzibushi
People are just happy to bring out their pitchforks, and sad when they don't get to use them. If only ESIC had used some of the "evidence" these forum users seem to have. This almost seem like the counterstrike version of Trump not accepting he lost the election. Such babies.
2021-10-19 01:32
#349
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United Kingdom fal36
+1 These kids are braindead
2021-10-18 13:54
#392
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France sAeR
I agree ESIC = Elite Silvers Internanional Clowns ESIC is more useless than a silver I LVL1 faceit xD
2021-10-18 14:49
+1
2021-10-18 15:27
what a joke lol
2021-10-18 10:38
2 replies
+1 After that I lost all hope of integrity in the cs go championships.
2021-10-18 15:30
#613
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New Zealand HeNuX_
+1
2021-10-18 23:41
#28
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United Kingdom Tseden
Poor Niko getting abused and exploited lol
2021-10-18 10:38
1 reply
#393
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France sAeR
And he is abused in OG strats now look at his stats :( ho wait, he is jsut a bot xD
2021-10-18 14:51
#29
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Switzerland uziG0D
this is a joke.
2021-10-18 10:38
#33
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United States Rayduh
Happy for stavn that he’s innocent
2021-10-18 10:38
6 replies
lack of evidence =/= innocent just because he wasn't banned doesn't mean he is innocent. It just means there wasn't enough evidence to conclude that he was complicit
2021-10-18 13:29
5 replies
#338
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United States Rayduh
ESIC did a very thorough investigation
2021-10-18 13:37
4 replies
#343
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Japan JadzStar
Very thorough? They guy of ESIC literally said that he had hoped the players would come forward by themselves with evidence but obviously heroic didn’t. They knew that if they didn’t say shit, that ESIC had unsufficient evidence to ban them, which is exactly what happened. “Very thorough” my ass
2021-10-18 13:49
2 replies
#353
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United Kingdom fal36
Explain how esic could get the players to admit their guilt then, because realistically thats the only way that the players are going to get caught
2021-10-18 13:58
1 reply
esic cant do shit
2021-10-18 15:21
How do you know? They wrote they had done so you believe it?
2021-10-21 11:42
Goodbye hunden
2021-10-18 10:38
ESIC are actual dogs Wonder how much heroic paid them What a joke. ESIC is fucking USELESS
2021-10-18 10:39
7 replies
#42
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United States Rayduh
Stavn is innocent though
2021-10-18 10:40
1 reply
cadian & stavn both knew about the bug they just kept quiet about it. Read the article.
2021-10-18 18:52
crymore
2021-10-18 10:53
+1
2021-10-18 12:33
#394
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France sAeR
ESIC = Elite Silvers International Clowns xD
2021-10-18 14:52
1 reply
good name hahahha
2021-10-18 15:32
+1
2021-10-18 15:31
Such bs
2021-10-18 10:39
ESIC is just shit in my ass
2021-10-18 10:39
#41
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United States Rayduh
Niko is a victim here
2021-10-18 10:39
so not going to ban rest of heroic?
2021-10-18 10:40
#44
chrisJ | 
Sweden qrii
ok, disappointing.
2021-10-18 10:40
1 reply
+1
2021-10-18 15:32
#47
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Poland sznycel901
sadge
2021-10-18 10:40
This is a joke, now also excuse because of Asperger's and ADHD. this is a 0/8 ESIC...
2021-10-18 10:40
lul
2021-10-18 10:40
uselessic
2021-10-18 10:42
expected tbh, CS:GO is corrupted all this "ESIC IS FAKE AS FUCK"
2021-10-18 10:42
#55
NiKo | 
Europe trey_
bullshit
2021-10-18 10:42
God its so easy to cheat in csgo
2021-10-18 10:43
1 reply
Future cs go professionals just download third-party tools xD
2021-10-18 15:33
1 million Danish kronor has been deposited into ESIC bank vaults! Thank you for playing!
2021-10-18 10:43
what a fucking bullshit. and then esic wonder why people think they're a joke, what a freaking joke. 30 and 15 minute sessions with niko: "Did you understand what you've done?" "Yes" "kay bay" ffs with this bullshit I would've just picked a 30 days ban and be done with this shit. And why only niko when it's obvious they all cheated? ESIC sucks.
2021-10-18 10:44
3 replies
#358
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United Kingdom fal36
Agreed with 30day ban and get it over with But how are they going to find conclusive evidence that the players knew. If you are willing to ban the heroic players then you should be fine with all the players that had a coach banned for the bug to be banned too
2021-10-18 14:01
he is not mentally healthy if u read fucking article u would know idiot
2021-10-18 19:42
1 reply
"A minimum 15-minute check in with the Commissioner every month for a minimum of six months to ensure he has understood and is complying with the ESIC Integrity Program" stupido?
2021-10-18 20:07
xd??
2021-10-18 10:44
#63
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Asia flipflop
Rip 2:30 hours of niko's life
2021-10-18 10:44
#67
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Slovakia triskacik
U all know everything apparently. Heroic are not cheaters just because Hunden is a piece of shit, grow up and accept Heroic being the org that beat the shit out of yours :)
2021-10-18 10:45
#68
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Czech Republic Ventraks
niko at ESIc school
2021-10-18 10:45
Ppl here are just fukin morons lol
2021-10-18 10:46
1 reply
Yes, who defends cheaters is exactly that.
2021-10-18 15:36
Hahhahahahaha so niko gets punished coz his not anymore in Heroic while the cheating-quartet gets NOTHING. Coincidence? I think not
2021-10-18 10:47
1 reply
#175
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Denmark Mister_A
Yeah because there's only evidence regarding niko
2021-10-18 11:35
what a fuckiin joke. normally he should get banned for live, since he had several chances to come clean. and btw. do you think a teen could handle a secret about the game? sry i would bet all in that the team knew about it. that are just a few players that have no impact of the scene, ban them all for live. let them play valorant.
2021-10-18 10:48
what a joke lmao
2021-10-18 10:49
ESIC ARE CLOWNS "The exceptional circumstances that led to the lenient punishment, as detailed by ESIC, revealed that niko has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's Syndrome, which ESIC was informed would "significantly impact his ability to know right from wrong, make values-based decisions on his own, and communicate effectively in a conventional way." AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2021-10-18 10:52
7 replies
Biggest joke I've read ngl
2021-10-18 11:59
#284
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Sweden Zaser5
+1
2021-10-18 12:43
I don't see what's so funny about it
2021-10-18 13:24
3 replies
#386
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Poland Kobel_
Me neither, my brother has Asperger's, obv different severity of it but the description of niko's situation sounds reasonable for someone that interacted with people with AS
2021-10-18 14:36
2 replies
people like to overestimate their own judgement and think they can't be manipulated, so when someone does (specially someone with a mental condition) they're all like "bruh how dumb can you be, just don't listen lol XDDDDDDDD"
2021-10-18 14:38
1 reply
It's really worrying seeing the lack of understanding some people have. Someone with serious mental problems was exploited by an influencial older mentor into participating into a elicit act and all everyone cares is why he hasn't punished harsher and why his teammates didn't get punished as well No surprise Hunden was influencial as he was when this is the sort of behavior most people take
2021-10-18 19:53
+1
2021-10-18 15:36
#78
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Portugal dracø
lmao, this sanctions are hilarious xDDDD what a waste of time for niko
2021-10-18 10:50
SLIGHT PUNISHMENT ONLY FOR BEING COMPLACENT IN CHEATING???? WTF ESIC ????
2021-10-18 10:51
Highly interesting, suprising, mind-blowing, creative and hypothetical results.
2021-10-18 10:53
1 reply
+1
2021-10-18 11:37
#85
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Philippines flowster
these sanctions mean nothing basically lol how are esic still a thing
2021-10-18 10:54
3 replies
What would you have done? Basically no evidence, only Niko's confession with the caveat that Hunden obviously manipulated him.
2021-10-18 10:56
2 replies
#94
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Philippines flowster
min. 30 days ban for niko
2021-10-18 10:58
1 reply
30 days would not be unreasonable. I just find it interesting that he actually confronted the team and about Hunden cheating and for some reason nothing came out of it...
2021-10-18 11:37
And people complain about NIP being a shitty organisation..
2021-10-18 10:56
Dear Heroic haters/Mad bettor. cope, seethe, mald, and cry about it
2021-10-18 10:56
Damn Hunden is a miserable piece of crap, manipulating a player like that by taking advantage of his medical conditions. Absolute disgrace! Also, Heroic just glossing over is just abetting to crime. They should deserve a punishment as well.
2021-10-18 10:56
1 reply
this
2021-10-18 11:06
#92
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Italy zCri
Hunden even manipulates people with aspergers damn he's that low on morals
2021-10-18 10:57
4 replies
Today everyone has asperger when it comes Handy. Even dogs and cats.
2021-10-18 11:39
3 replies
#526
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Brazil Anarchybr
+1
2021-10-18 18:07
"Today everyone has asperger when it comes Handy" wow, really ? In 2015, Asperger's was estimated to affect 37.2 million people globally (about 0.5% of people)
2021-10-18 20:25
1 reply
yeah. If you want an excuse "Asperger" If you want a cookie "Asperger" You need medicine weed "Asperger". You want meat on your table "Asperger" It is like being in the army and everyone tells you "go there and there" and you answer "I have an order from the general" and you can ignore them.
2021-10-18 20:33
#95
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Poland xMBTx
Ppl are sellouts Dont trust anybody
2021-10-18 10:58
Well... Ok then. Now, let's finally move on from all this shit. LAN tournaments with crowds are just around the corner, yay!
2021-10-18 10:58
7 replies
Pathetic attitude but then again, flag REALLY checks out
2021-10-18 11:20
6 replies
#196
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Denmark Mister_A
Need a tissue?
2021-10-18 11:43
5 replies
Imagine knowing that a team cheated but standing by them just because they share your flag. You need to enroll to school
2021-10-18 11:49
4 replies
Alright. I'll stand by the, even though they don't share my nationality. How about that?
2021-10-18 12:09
2 replies
Then you are a person who does not care about the esport if you are ok with the fact that people who cheated dont get any penalties. But then again, it is impossible you to stand by a team of your own flag because you guys never had a scene or players so in that sense I understand
2021-10-18 12:16
1 reply
I just simply think that what has been shown isn't enough evidence to claim they've cheated. Niko would be the only exception to that, but medical conditions are a real thing you should consider when evaluating whether or not and to what extent someone is guilty. Believe it or not, but humans are fickle and easily manipulated. Even more so with these conditions mentioned in the article. You should also consider that Hunden has proven himself to be a manipulative piece of sh*t, so I would find it believable that he did this. At the very least, you can't ignore it. All in all ESIC aren't saying he didn't do anything, which is why he gets a light punishment. I'm for punishing cheaters, but I don't think you should act like every situation is the exact same.
2021-10-18 12:29
#491
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Denmark Mister_A
I'm pretty sure they knew hunden was using it, but all the other teams probably did too, but this blew because hunden was a bitch about it. They got what they deserved: a lot of drama and getting booed out of every lan event the next year
2021-10-18 16:46
I see how it works. As I said before multiple times, you can't just ban tier-1 team with current contract with ESL and other tourney orgs cuz t will affect on "esports integrity". It's easier to blame Hunden even when players say it was a fact. I get it, ESIC. No questions at all
2021-10-18 10:59
12 replies
#103
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Finland Multix
I mean, if there is not just enouch evidence to make heroic pay, what can esic do? ban for not having evidence? only niko got penalty cuz he admitted it.
2021-10-18 11:02
11 replies
This is ridiculous penalty I should say. The guy says they all knew, 1 month later this is not a fact and includes sickness. Blame me if I'm too suspicious, but this story sounds ridiculous
2021-10-18 11:04
ESIC themselves said there's evidence: "One final assertion made by ESIC indicates that three of the players may have found out that the bug had been used following the team's match against Astralis as there is evidence of a post-game TeamSpeak conversation between cadiaN, niko, stavn, and HUNDEN, where niko states that HUNDEN had revealed to him in a message that he was in the bug." But for some reason that doesn't matter???
2021-10-18 11:08
9 replies
I'm still convinced they should've had to pay back the prize money and give up their titles for those events, we could just have moved on from there and forgotten about it. But instead we had to have a year of pointless investigations and a laughable verdict in the end.
2021-10-18 11:18
You cut off the part where it says that both Cadian and Stavn spoke out against cheating which obviously means that at the time of using the bug they were unaware of it.
2021-10-18 11:39
3 replies
#235
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Spain Almendrix
This is the whole point of this sh*tshow... How can anyone still trust in what hunden said? And the proofs are at the minimum laughable
2021-10-18 12:05
They should've reported him, if they say that and do nothing, while benefitting from a cheater on their team it's pretty much as if they cheated themselves.
2021-10-18 15:11
1 reply
They lost the game against Astralis so no harm was done there, and afterwards they didn't know that he was doing it again. Cadian and Stavn spoke out against using it, and for them the whole thing was over.
2021-10-18 15:32
Imagine reverting those titles, ratings based on those achievements, prize money, invites and further results with ratings? No one wants and can do that, there would be enormous scandal and discredit of CS as a game and esports in general. Imagine reaction of ESL sponsors ( === bettings)? That's pandoras box and it's better for them to blame Hunden (e.g. one person) and not the whole system and it's weakness. Better for everyone except small thing called community.
2021-10-18 12:05
3 replies
There already was enormous scandal and this is a much bigger discredit. Reverting happens in other sports all the time though, with doping for example, so dunno if it's worth it to keep up esports appearances.
2021-10-18 15:15
2 replies
This is relatively a new sphere and people don't know how to do those things properly, as I told before, especially if it depends on money. I totally agree with your point, but you see how it goes. I can't get rid of feeling when reading this statement that they really struggled to write this kind of explanation because it's hard to believe even if you are 8 years old.
2021-10-18 17:36
1 reply
'Cause you're 44 years old and have a better understanding based on your extensive research on the subject.
2021-10-18 20:07
Ok autism
2021-10-18 10:59
#105
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Finland dvlx
seems fair
2021-10-18 11:03
#106
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Brazil zzzzzzznt
as always, valve loves cheaters
2021-10-18 11:04
So we're gonna boo Heroic at Majors? alright I can get in on that
2021-10-18 11:05
1 reply
I think pretty much everyone can get in on that, it's not like they had any fans before their little run and then they got a few temporary plastic fans.
2021-10-18 11:16
#111
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Belarus Khosrau
Disgrace for the whole scene esic you are trash and heroic wont have any respect from me
2021-10-18 11:06
ez
2021-10-18 11:07
This was a shit investigation. Well I hope people now say that Krad and Forester are innocent too.
2021-10-18 11:09
Innocent, cheaters?
2021-10-18 11:14
#126
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Oceania aZZtec
FUCK ESIC
2021-10-18 11:15
3 replies
you want them to get banned without evidence? nice
2021-10-18 11:24
2 replies
The esic story has too many logic bugs. It is constructed in Belarus style
2021-10-18 11:37
1 reply
#439
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Russia DomRemi
+1
2021-10-18 15:31
If all this is true, I can even understand the decision. Only niko's punishment is simply too lax. He is a professional player and role model even with Apserger and ADHD. The ESIC should have issued a 30 - 60 day ban for niko. Further, the organization (heroic) should also have paid a penalty, after all it is their job to ensure that their employees uphold the spirit of sportsmanship and fairness.
2021-10-18 11:15
2 replies
+1 right here
2021-10-18 16:55
#527
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Brazil Anarchybr
Based comment.
2021-10-18 18:08
Absolutely pathetic that Heroic was left off the hook, disgusting
2021-10-18 11:18
2 replies
so disregard principles of justice and just ban them because "it feels right"? you're a joke.
2021-10-18 17:05
1 reply
If there was justice, they would also get a penalty of some sort. Stop revolving your life around cs and that is my final say
2021-10-18 18:17
#131
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Finland adu_
all my homies hate hunden
2021-10-18 11:18
Lol.
2021-10-18 11:19
#135
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World streetson
can't believe HUNDEN, and the rest of Heroic tbh, got away with this. man, life do sucks sometimes
2021-10-18 11:20
5 replies
hunden (the only one that cheated btw) didnt get away with it
2021-10-18 11:29
4 replies
He got away with it but then throw it into trash. He was 6 month banned but still got paycheck
2021-10-18 11:35
3 replies
okay? what do you want esic to do? require all his prize money back? pretty sure they cant do that, and hunden would never pay
2021-10-18 11:51
2 replies
#570
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World streetson
I mean only 6 months for all the shit that he did, in my books, is getting away with it. His reputation is in the mud, but nothing stops him from coaching lesser teams, which I bet would want him
2021-10-18 19:50
1 reply
lol, no. he will never coach in cs again
2021-10-18 23:20
They literally got away with cheating
2021-10-18 11:21
#138
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United Kingdom julz!
fuckinf ban him holy shit
2021-10-18 11:21
LETS GO f Hunden
2021-10-18 11:22
i think people are going way off the handle with these heroic guys- if you can't prove, wtf do you do? you guys would be surprised with how many things you can get away with if you just DON'T TELL, legally irl and in cases like this. maybe they got away with murder, but if there's no evidence i'm not gonna stay yelling at the sky (and at MAYBE, CUZ THERE IS NO EVIDENCE: the innocent? heroic players) for some justice that maybe isn't very just anyway
2021-10-18 11:22
8 replies
They could admit it like real mens and accept the punishment. I'm pretty sure majority of people would agree that they shouldn't be perma banned then. Now they will keep playing but they lost all respect and will be remembered as filthy cheaters. Coach bug abusing meme will never die
2021-10-18 11:28
7 replies
You are first time on hltv? Majority of people would issue a permaban and take the firstborn of those players.
2021-10-18 11:41
1 reply
#445
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Russia DomRemi
Agreed, let's do it edit: also the first wedding night with their brides
2021-10-18 15:33
you know they play as a living not for respect from hltv users, would you sacrifice your job and income so some people on the internet might like you more?
2021-10-18 12:22
4 replies
#367
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United Kingdom fal36
He thinks that way because hes a child with childish ideas
2021-10-18 14:08
i mean only morons think like that, but 100%, it is a bad thing for them to be viewed in such an ugly way by the community, guilty or not, professionally and personally, it's going to hurt them very bad in the short and long run
2021-10-18 15:01
2 replies
If you look at any other cheating scandal, if they admit to it they will be cheaters forever, if they deny it and don't get punished people will mostly forget about it
2021-10-18 22:57
1 reply
its also, like everything in this community, related to popularity mfs ignore and straight up let slide s1mple of all people was guilty and convicted for cheating and yes it was in global offensive, but its s1mple aha. who cares anymore anyway, he did serve the ban even if he did try not to. ropz? accused of cheating, never said a thing, proven not to, people only remember it cuz it was more recent and yes we love ropz, ofc he didnt cheat!! hes so good!! all good. jamppi? fuck him!!... no wait, valve bad. v$m?? WE LOVE HIM!!! do we? huh its only the brazilians alright. you get me but dude...these heroic players whom nobody liked and knew before, nobody will forget about it. people just despise them, and hunden wasnt even the worst offender? hes just a SHIT human being and thats why all of this is a big deal. i actually do believe they maybe didnt fucking know (but niko, but yeah we know all about that now) cuz it was only two times bruh, they even lost in one of the instances..anyway have a good day, its not like i was ever an heroic fan lol
2021-10-18 23:27
LMFAO Cheat = 2x 30 minutes 1 on 1 talk with ESIC Commissioner ahahah
2021-10-18 11:23
3 replies
#152
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France HippzZ
Biggest joke ever in saw this scene
2021-10-18 11:27
cry more fakeflagger
2021-10-18 15:40
:DD Greta being right about something for once.
2021-10-18 18:58
ESIC going the same way as FIFA. Lmao is this the integrity they all talk about?
2021-10-18 11:25
1 reply
#449
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Russia DomRemi
They just as corrupted as Vladimir, its hard to expect anything morally right from them
2021-10-18 15:35
" ESIC found that there was no evidence that pointed towards TeSeS having any knowledge of what HUNDEN's purpose behind the boosts were" Disgusting shit. Heroic roster is done. Normal fans will never respect those filthy cheaters
2021-10-18 11:26
1 reply
normal fans still respect heroic because we dont falsely convince ourselves that heroic cheated and refuse to look at any evidence that says they didn't
2021-10-18 15:41
#151
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Finland Emvi
This whole thing reeks of lies and corruption. Not a fan of esic revealing sensitive private medical history of niko like this unless he consented to it. Which would be ironic since apparently he doesn't know right from wrong and has a hard time making his own decisions.
2021-10-18 11:29
2 replies
I agree with the second part. Saying "Due to medical conditions, that we will not disclose" was a better way to frame it.
2021-10-18 12:15
1 reply
+1 sensible comment
2021-10-18 17:25
#153
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Ukraine futplxyer
expected, ESIC keep on taking paychecks from tournaments organisers. Obviously they didn’t punish them with the timing being so close to the major... clearly they didn’t check enough evidence from team speak, just means teams can get away with cheating, damages the scene even more... ESIC lost all credibility smh, can’t trust them
2021-10-18 11:27
3 replies
"clearly they didn’t check enough evidence from team speak" how would you know? why are you pretending like you know any more than esic?
2021-10-18 11:30
2 replies
#467
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Ukraine futplxyer
its obvious, esic commissioner in his own interests to give most lenient penalty, would have pressure from TOs to do this as they dont want negative publicity affecting major... fair verdict would have been to wait after major and give proper penalties not this soft warnings bs..
2021-10-18 15:47
1 reply
cringe
2021-10-18 16:05
people are such crybabies for no reason theres no evidence anyone cheated except hunden, therefore hunden got all the shit for this
2021-10-18 11:28
1 reply
based
2021-10-18 15:42
#159
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Portugal Davdio
Esic disband xD
2021-10-18 11:29
Jesus. So many people here did: A) Not read the whole article before commenting. Classic HLTV. B) Not read ESICs report on their own website which gives the answer to all of your dumb questions like "Why didnt X get banned?"
2021-10-18 11:30
13 replies
#166
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Philippines flowster
no need to read the article when you know that esic is a dogshit, scam organization that doesn't operate properly (doesn't do shit at all actually)
2021-10-18 11:31
3 replies
I love how you as a retarded hltv user actually think that you know more than esic and how players should be banned
2021-10-18 12:04
2 replies
#301
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Philippines flowster
i love how you, as a retarded hltv user believe a scam organization's every word
2021-10-18 12:53
1 reply
"i love how you, as a retarded hltv user believe a scam organization's every word" do you have evidence or is it just "feelz", cos if you do please present it. I can't wait to be convinced.
2021-10-18 20:32
yes we did and very carefully, and we see right through their bullshit, stay delusional small sheeple.
2021-10-18 12:26
5 replies
You clearly did not read every single word, same with #166. Some people in here ask REALLY dumb questions which is answered in ESICs report. Some type bollocks comments when they have no clue at all.
2021-10-18 12:29
4 replies
ofc I did, and their report if filled with most obvious juggling and cheap tricks to defend their paycheck payers at all costs, their corruption is crystal clear only infant wouldn't notice.
2021-10-18 12:37
3 replies
ZzZzZz. TL:DR: You did not read it and just assume shit. /Close.
2021-10-18 12:39
2 replies
useless conversation, grow up for 5-10 years and comeback, all the best.
2021-10-18 12:40
1 reply
Says you lol.
2021-10-18 12:46
So you say that bullshit statements make them credible because they released and they ar e official?
2021-10-21 11:32
2 replies
Where did i say that? Read my comment again. I am talking about people in here typing dumb sh*t.
2021-10-21 11:41
1 reply
Oh, well, that's a different story.
2021-11-01 21:37
#165
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Europe Velurom
A fair verdict.
2021-10-18 11:31
Heroic are such onliners and going out on the first round to fucken level 5 faceit players. Imagine saying you didn't know your coach had extra information that wasn't available to you. "There whole team is outside B". Such a load of bs man, Au cs players banned for betting on a team they left 25 days ago but heroic get away with blatant bug abuse in tier 1 cs and get an after school detention. Honestly a joke and hope Heroic gets smoked in every tournament.
2021-10-18 11:32
#174
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Finland Tusku
well that was a letdown
2021-10-18 11:35
lmao, yes niko was the only team member with knowledge of it...
2021-10-18 11:41
YO what a joke bro
2021-10-18 11:42
Punishment should be more severe but this seems like niko getting scapegoated due to his conditions and we're just supposed forget the others.
2021-10-18 11:46
expected from nikocado avocado
2021-10-18 11:46
#207
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
hahah just niko okay wtf
2021-10-18 11:47
What a bullshit
2021-10-18 11:52
VAC
2021-10-18 11:54
Cheat is cheat dosen't matter in which way if forsaken jamppi and kqly are banned why niko are still playing and the whole heroic team
2021-10-18 11:56
#222
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Denmark michufan
ESIC is a joke at this point. Seems very much like they had their minds made up from the start and just had to piece together a convenient explanation to fit their purpose...
2021-10-18 11:56
dang... was hoping -niko +BnTeT
2021-10-18 11:56
ESIC is corrupt and crime does pay.
2021-10-18 11:57
HOW MUCH @ESIC????
2021-10-18 11:59
People blaming niko who was manipulated and has a disability are fucking idiots, yes there is a world outside of the game where having certain medical things can influence the decisions you make. I assume the 12 year olds replying don't know what autism is
2021-10-18 12:00
2 replies
+1. Niko was literally groomed for this and is now publicly outed as disabled which he hadn’t previously shared. People are idiots
2021-10-18 12:43
He could ask his parents if this a problem. I also don't believe this story. Everyone can say that and find a doctor who sign that.
2021-10-18 13:21
#244
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France t3r4byt3
The comments on this post have proven to me that the IQ of the average HLTV user is no higher than 50
2021-10-18 12:11
1 reply
But still 50 points higher than esics
2021-10-18 13:22
#246
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Sweden Akoulad
Hahaha cheaters walk free
2021-10-18 12:14
Guys i broke my left pinkie toe, i cant make value based decisions on my own
2021-10-18 12:14
1 reply
you can't run fast kekw
2021-10-18 12:32
Should be banned as well
2021-10-18 12:15
TLDR: Heroic paid ESIC
2021-10-18 12:23
Lol what a joke
2021-10-18 12:25
FUCK ESIC
2021-10-18 12:25
good report anyone reading all of it understands its correct decision
2021-10-18 12:31
It's a joke, right? WTF
2021-10-18 12:42
niko got manipulated and punished lmao, gg ESIC
2021-10-18 12:45
1 reply
Well of course he got punished? He still did something wrong. And his punishment is pretty light since he accepted a "plea bargain". His punishment could have been way worse, like a permanent ban from majors + 2 year ESIC ban like HUNDEN etc etc.
2021-10-18 12:55
wtf is this lmaoooo most of these is just sounds like a bullshit
2021-10-18 12:47
THATS ABSURD!!! I CANT BELIEVE
2021-10-18 13:01
LMAO ESIC is a joke
2021-10-18 13:03
suddenly I remembered syndrome created by Eric Cartman >> A** Burgers
2021-10-18 13:05
#308
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Germany MTD3
expected and yet disappointed
2021-10-18 13:05
“ The exceptional circumstances that led to the lenient punishment, as detailed by ESIC, revealed that niko has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's Syndrome, which ESIC was informed would "significantly impact his ability to know right from wrong, make values-based decisions on his own, and communicate effectively in a conventional way." As a result of the two medical conditions, niko was heavily reliant on people he trusts, with HUNDEN being one such person, having been a mentor and teammate of his on multiple occasions. ESIC found that HUNDEN deliberately fostered and exploited niko's trust at a timing that was convenient to him, with niko willingly going along with HUNDEN's proposals without a full understanding as to the implications.” (c) :(
2021-10-18 13:06
ATLEAST A SMALL BAN?.WTF IS THIS?????????????????//
2021-10-18 13:10
#314
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Denmark imper1o
So Hunden tried to take people down with him but instead got exposed for taking advantage of people's mental health issues? What a disgusting person. Let's hope he never returns to CS!
2021-10-18 13:11
#315
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Albania HLTV_God
saved by adhd xD
2021-10-18 13:13
not looking good for heroic sticker investors
2021-10-18 13:14
Given that all that is stated above is true and backed up by evidence, I still think Niko should have been punished way harsher. Being on the spectrum and struggling with ADHD is super hard and huge respect to everybody living with it. Nevertheless, he is a professional player and role model, who started his career in 2015. I think that he very well knew right from wrong in this specific case, it's naive and irrational to think he did not. Up until this point, I was neutral regarding Heroic, but now I have to admit that I dislike the organization
2021-10-18 13:17
1 reply
Niko was really close to hunden, to the point where hunden was offering a place for him to stay. They had also played with each other prior to heroic. Hunden was also incredibly respected in the scene and seen as an almost father figure to certain people. When you were younger, i assume you didn't question most of the things told to you by your parents. That's why I don't think it's exactly irrational to think the amount of respect and niko's mental condition both resulted in him having complete control over his decisions, and instead leaning on his trust towards this huge figure to him and the esport overall. Why would a legend cheat?
2021-10-20 19:50
#324
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India gXser
How did teses help hunden with coach bug if he didn't know he was cheating???? No action on him And is niko's condition so bad that it enabled hunden to just manipulate him into thinking cheating is fine???
2021-10-18 13:22
1 reply
its because teses said he wasn't aware he was helping hunden with the bug and therefore, there were no substantial evidence against him. From full report "Regarding Mr. Petersen’s allegations against Mr. Madsen as it pertains to boosting into the camera position in the Spirit match, ESIC has concluded that it is most likely that Mr. Madsen had no idea what Mr. Petersen’s ultimate purpose was in being asked to be boosted into various positions in the map pre-match." "Again, the assertion that Mr. Madsen knew why Mr Petersen was asking to be boosted comes from Mr. Petersen and is not independently verified by any other evidence and is strongly denied by Mr. Madsen.". I agree with you that maybe teses knew more than what he admitted but it's on hunden to prove it not teses.
2021-10-18 21:05
Of course they didnt know. 'Go A, no sorry changed my mind go B.. NO A, NO B, NO A, NO B.' Totally normal coach behaviour during match.
2021-10-18 13:23
corrupt as most "relevant" org in the world. fucking backless trash go rather witchunting irrelevant tier 100 aussies fucking disgrace. let the danish cheating scum continue with their cheating. fucking disgraceful
2021-10-18 13:23
hahaahha ESIC is a joke. please disband.
2021-10-18 13:24
"as there was insufficient evidence to reasonably conclude their guilt" what a joke, players knew all the time they probably just didnt write nothing in chat. If the voice comms were recorded we should have another result of this investigation....
2021-10-18 13:25
LMAO ESIC does something real pls, you guys want to bring Esport into Olympics, in the end, seems like no one was actually punished for their actions. At least show that you guys are professionals and have strict rules to teams that abuse your rules...
2021-10-18 13:51
1 reply
#466
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Russia d0lbaeb
AU players got banned tho for betting on a team which they left weeks ago LMAO
2021-10-18 15:45
What a joke punishment from ESIC jokers. Expected from someone who couldnt ban akuma. It must be so fun getting paid and doing nothing. "Insufficient Evidence" lmao. I bet they were asked to wrap it up before the major for obvious reasons.
2021-10-18 13:53
Esic meme organization
2021-10-18 13:56
Too many nikos
2021-10-18 13:57
gaulesPaninho gaulesPaninho gaulesPaninho
2021-10-18 14:13
Heroic so lucky
2021-10-18 14:18
good job! its like getting beat up and not fighting back and still getting punished lul
2021-10-18 14:25
#384
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Brazil drydden
Cheating is allowed guys
2021-10-18 14:28
Case closed, Volvo must doesn't even know what this is all about so no point being harsh on ESIC
2021-10-18 14:40
Sadge
2021-10-18 14:43
Lol ban players for betting on a team they left weeks ago but blatant cheating is okay.
2021-10-18 14:54
2 replies
+1
2021-10-18 14:57
#465
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Russia d0lbaeb
this
2021-10-18 15:44
"ESIC found that there was no evidence that pointed towards TeSeS having any knowledge of what HUNDEN's purpose behind the boosts were" ahahaha ESIC = garbage
2021-10-18 14:59
"The exceptional circumstances that led to the lenient punishment, as detailed by ESIC, revealed that niko has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's Syndrome, which ESIC was informed would "significantly impact his ability to know right from wrong, make values-based decisions on his own, and communicate effectively in a conventional way." Is it only me or this statement may possibly ruin niko's career ?
2021-10-18 15:04
2 replies
No because he has a really good reputation among pros for being a really good teammate and support player.
2021-10-18 15:53
Nah. A lot of pro players, streamers and speedrunners fall within this spectrum. In some cases it is part of what allows them to grind so hard for so many hours.
2021-10-18 17:12
lul n1
2021-10-18 15:09
#403
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Brazil Semeon
ESIC meme...
2021-10-18 15:10
#411
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Germany grabke
Everybody knew before there won't be any penalties against Heroic/Players. This Investigation truly stinks.
2021-10-18 15:16
Crime and Punishment.
2021-10-18 15:16
Disgusting
2021-10-18 15:20
#423
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Bosnia and Herzegovina dc4
easy W for hunden if he sue them. Without the players participation, the coach couldn't even get to the bug
2021-10-18 15:22
holy shit ESIC are fucking retarded. Yeah if you have ADHD and aspergers ESIC dont think you can tell right from wrong?
2021-10-18 15:23
#426
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Brazil victorhsl
I don't get it, why there's so much hate towards ESIC? Everything said and done in this case seems reasonable to me, I feel like the community it's just disappointed that they can't blame the players anymore with this outcome. At least HUNDEN is gone for good no matter what, fck this guy, seriously.
2021-10-18 15:23
5 replies
esic are retarded. they will never punish a real team and now they say niko cant tell righjt from wrong since he got adhd and aspergers and saying hunden manipulated him lol. These esic cunts are so disgusting.
2021-10-18 15:24
3 replies
#471
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Brazil victorhsl
Yeah, I disagree. HUNDEN, who was in charge of the team, and considered a mentor for them, was in a position to easily manipulate a young player (regardless his mental conditions) that the bug was just a "inside joke". And if the whole team were actually cheating and exploiting this bug, they wouldn't have lost the game. People are mad because they would love to see the players names in the mud, but this isn't good for anyone, specially the scene. I feel like CS fans crave for the opportunity to sabotage their own community.
2021-10-18 15:51
2 replies
Cs fans act like villagers in the middle ages -that person did some stuff we can't explain or seem fishy -better burn her at the stake just in case The amount of talents that were burned and called cheaters with little to no evidence still baffles me (Ropz, flusha, stewie2k, chaos roster, docc, zywoo, El1an and the list goes on and on..... You wonder of how many of those we lost along the way that we never even heard their names because of this kinda shitty mentality
2021-10-18 17:26
1 reply
#550
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Brazil victorhsl
Exactly.
2021-10-18 19:18
#481
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Switzerland ayygurl
Agreed. Always seems like ppl on hltv know better than anybody else lmao
2021-10-18 16:13
Esic is a total joke.
2021-10-18 15:25
“I expected a flood of 'evidence' of other teams’ players being complicit in their coaches cheating with the coach bug, but this has not happened," Mr. Smith said in his closing remarks. "I believe I have explained why I think this is: that the players did not need to know, but I also accept that there were players that, like niko, did know and should have come forward, but didn’t. Eh... "I also accept that there were players that, like niko, did know and should have come forward, but didn’t." D - U - H But I'm not buying the part where players are clueless about what's going on. If niko is autistic, ok, sure... But everyone else? Get the fuck out. Feels like even though niko is the only one getting a "punishment", he's still sort of a scapegoat. "I hope this changes in future as people know that ESIC will investigate fairly and sympathetically in the best interests of esports. Competitive integrity is key to the sustainability and increased commerciality of professional elite esports. If people lose faith in the product, it is the players that will suffer most and I hope all players accept that we are all in this together and that ESIC is here to protect them.” It's too late. I, for one, am done. Pro CS is a shitshow of cheaters and their enablers.
2021-10-18 15:26
#447
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Brazil hugoooo
"1. A severe public reprimand for his behaviour 2. A warning as to future conduct with severe consequences for any future breach of the ESIC Integrity Program 3. Mandatory attendance at two one on one education sessions with the ESIC Commissioner of minimum 30 mins duration each 4. A minimum 15-minute check in with the Commissioner every month for a minimum of six months to ensure he has understood and is complying with the ESIC Integrity Program and to offer him support for any issues he might be having in this respect" hahahahahahahahahahahahah
2021-10-18 15:34
So anyone can say they're autistic and couldn't tell right from wrong if they ever get caught cheating? 3.5h of seminar for abusing coach bug, this time with evidence, lmfao. There's your lesson, future pros, if you ever get an opportunity to cheat in this piece of shit game, use it without any doubt.
2021-10-18 15:35
4 replies
#462
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Russia d0lbaeb
csgo is such a fucking joke
2021-10-18 15:42
you think autism is a joke? like some kind of card you can pull out when you get in a trouble? autism is very serious and you're just brushing aside the reality of living with it. you sir, need to cut down on your cynicism, it's unhealthy. i hope you take a moment to pause and think about what you're writing the next time. try to be the best version of yourself.
2021-10-18 17:03
2 replies
It's kinda alarming to see so many people are brushing off the very serious mental issues niko has and not how Hunden (a guy some 10 y older) was able to isolate, manipulate and use niko and it took a investigation from a integrity organisation for anyone to figure that out That shit is scary
2021-10-18 17:17
He should've been punished regardless. And perhaps if his illiness puts the competition under a risk, he shouldn't be playing at the highest level. The whole coach bug investigation became kind of a joke. I'll also never believe that scum like ex Hard Legion or Heroic players didn't know. Obviously, they're getting away with it because "not enough evidence" and the only time there is actual evidence, player's not even getting a slap on the wrists and is allowed to complete.
2021-10-18 19:39
#454
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Canada firtlast
pro cs is dead
2021-10-18 15:37
ESIC is joke
2021-10-18 15:38
And this what corruption looks like obviously you cant ban a team who participates in major. If they would have banned heroic that would mean that heroic was cheating in esl cologne europe and in dreamhack open fall. If heroic cant do shit in major this just confirms my conclusions that they where cheating before.
2021-10-18 15:41
Anyway everyone knows that heroic were cheaters. Only pure idiot can believe that players didn't know about that bug
2021-10-18 15:43
2 replies
lol "Anyway everyone knows" - except ESIC and all the other orgs who would willingly screw Heroic over ( like Astralis ) if they could.
2021-10-18 20:34
1 reply
Okay I said it wrong. Everyone knows but there is no evidence. Law is law but heroic team has ruined their reputation
2021-10-18 21:20
#470
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Ukraine futplxyer
Should be an independent body to review ESIC, they claim they are independent but this is far from the case, their income is from tournament organisers.... so obvious bias/corruption will be there.
2021-10-18 15:51
#478
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Finland AliSabid
Should have punished all 5 of em and not only niko
2021-10-18 16:05
So many retarded takes in the comments. Unbelieveable.
2021-10-18 16:05
Why they punishinh niko like a drug addict? these punishments mean nothing lmao "so, have you done any cheating this month?" "no" "ok see you next month!"
2021-10-18 16:27
ITT: Mad Heroic haters Quite entertaining to read, so many people completely malding because they realized their anger was based on absolutely nothing.. so now they feel pathetic and angry.
2021-10-18 16:32
2 replies
Yep, people were so mad that Heroic were doing well that they actually deluded themselves into believing that they were all cheaters. And now the truth comes out, but people are so entrenched in their positions (and so afraid of having to accept they were wrong the whole time) that they just deny reality.
2021-10-18 16:36
1 reply
it's pretty funny to read actually, they should all have meetings to talk about their feelings when they found out they weren't involved after all.
2021-10-18 16:57
i dont know, i see retarded people making comments. i just understand that Hunden is probably the worst person in and out of Cs go, there arent evidence to prove and punish heroic players and Hunden reach to niko is kinda scary, how far can he go ?
2021-10-18 16:35
1 reply
Yet you still ignore the fact that heroic are unpunished UNLESS they are so fuckong stupid they do not realize what was happening. Pro players without a clue? Especially when coach jokes several times about the bug? Such a person must be a moron.
2021-10-21 11:26
The ADHD thing is generally irrelevant to his understanding of actions. Asperger's though, that's actually pretty fair. Honestly if Hunden knew that and tried to exploit it he's such a tremendous piece of human garbage I can't even put the words together to explain how much he deserves to have that ruin his career (in anything) moving forward. That's straight up sociopath level shit.
2021-10-18 16:38
2 replies
#489
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Brazil victorhsl
+1
2021-10-18 16:44
+1
2021-10-18 17:03
Fair amount of copium here lmaoooo
2021-10-18 16:42
Why does ESIC feel like a retarded government who is trying everything to show everyone that they have a say? nico's punishments are a joke lol. Not saying he should get more or less but the type of "sanctions" are just hilarous.
2021-10-18 16:42
"ESIC found that HUNDEN deliberately fostered and exploited niko's trust at a timing that was convenient to him, with niko willingly going along with HUNDEN's proposals without a full understanding as to the implications." THE DOG strikes again!
2021-10-18 16:45
#492
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France PP_Bizon
What the fuck are a good 70% of the comments here, actual room temperature takes
2021-10-18 16:47
3 replies
Do you mean the "Niko knows right from wrong" shit or something else. I don't want to start an enormous debate here, but I'm curious if that's what you mean.
2021-10-18 16:49
2 replies
#555
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France PP_Bizon
The people not understanding niko's situation, people wanted heroic to be convicted and now that they're not they're angry. Also ignoring the literal piece of shit hunden
2021-10-18 19:33
1 reply
That's what I figured you meant, kudos.
2021-10-18 19:41
fair, hopefully people will shut up about it now (most likely not)
2021-10-18 16:52
Biggest joke of 2021. Legitimately rigged pro scene. "Sad!"
2021-10-18 16:53
why even bother fucking sanctioning him if this is your response? what a joke
2021-10-18 17:02
ESIC needs to get over itself, theyre literally giving niko a little parole officer
2021-10-18 17:04
#505
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
hahahaha treating him like a bully at middle school hahhaa "sorry boys cant play rn gotta go to detention first"
2021-10-18 17:08
#506
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United States okuulanda
why is cadian so big in that picture
2021-10-18 17:08
1 reply
Cadian is fairly tall, and his teammates aren't, so with him in the front and at an angle the juxtaposition makes him look enormous.
2021-10-18 17:15
I find it fair enough, but niko should serve a light sentence. That month that the ESIC saved for "in case something else comes up" would do. It would show leniency but still set out an example that there are meaningful consequences to being complicit.
2021-10-18 17:09
1 reply
I don't really disagree, but I think ESIC are being really careful with niko's punishment because hunden deliberately manipulated him and took advantage of his ADHD and Aspergers.
2021-10-18 17:41
To think this cunt of a coach abused the trust of someone with a medical condition, while trying to drag everyone down with him. He was once a revered coach and talent scout.
2021-10-18 17:20
This is just sad man. aspergers is no joke, and I'm sure under normal circumstances niko wouldnt want his diagnoses out there like that for you hltv trolls to discuss and make fun of. ESIC did right here, the only one who deserves to get shit on is HUNDEN for manipulating this kid. Everyon in these comments saying "ESIC is a joke" is in the wrong and doesnt understand how severe a condition like aspergers can afect this kind of social decision with someone you trust.
2021-10-18 17:30
#520
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Norway Napapijri
I wonder if Heroic was a team from CIS. They would be instantly banned forever, kicked from FPL, no invites etc. #doubleraciststandarts
2021-10-18 17:39
4 replies
#529
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Brazil Anarchybr
Thats actually true. If Heroic was from CIS or BR they would get banned.
2021-10-18 18:10
I think so too
2021-10-18 19:28
#573
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Sweden suriel666
+1 ESIC bought by Heroic, so clear. Just like Vitality bought into them as well and got a "$10k" penalty for having stream running literally in their backs Akuma cheating in day's light, they don't care as "not enough evidence" lmao
2021-10-18 19:54
Gambit is doing quite fine. What the fuck are you talking about?
2021-10-18 19:57
How much did Heroic pay ESIC? lol
2021-10-18 18:05
I sympathize with the Heroic players. They dont deserve all the hate they get.
2021-10-18 18:09
#530
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Brazil Anarchybr
This whole coach bug abuse was a clownfiesta. And the cherry of the cake was this punishment handed to niko. Absolutely bullshit. If a player comes out and confess he cheated, he can get away with it just because of “medical conditions”!? I understand that Aspenger, depending on the severity, can cause misjudgment issues but the minimum punishment should be 30-60 days, and if he hadn’t any condition he should be banned just the same amount of time as the coaches. Also, no fucking way TeseS didn’t know his coach was cheating as well. I mean, your coach asks you to join the server 20 minutes earlier with him to boost him into an specific position on the server and you just agree without making any questions!? Im quite sure a lot of pro players knew their coaches were abusing this bug back in the day because there’s no way a thing disseminated like this was knew just by coaches. Those guys live together and talk about CS the whole time.
2021-10-18 18:15
3 replies
The fact that more people weren't banned is indeed bs. There's is no way that nobody other than niko knew that HUNDEN was a cheating scumbag
2021-10-18 18:42
2 replies
well the problem is, if we were to enforce justice by your logic, pretty much every single team that used the coach bug would be punished and there would be no CS-scene left (i'm serious, go look at the involved teams) also your logic disregards any objective evidence which is as far from general jurisdictional practice, which would have the consequence of a severe distrust between ESIC and the whole pro CS community. you justice you seek is unjust.
2021-10-18 19:41
1 reply
"well the problem is, if we were to enforce justice by your logic, pretty much every single team that used the coach bug would be punished and there would be no CS-scene left (i'm serious, go look at the involved teams)" So what? Get rid of them. The problem is they make an excuse to keep the money flow. That is the problem. I am all for total purge.
2021-10-21 11:20
finally cleared of all charges as should've always been
2021-10-18 18:22
ESIC sold out
2021-10-18 18:32
What a joke Valve needs to step in.
2021-10-18 18:38
4 replies
so you believe Valve has an investigative capacity that exceeds ESIC? i don't understand what you want Valve to do?
2021-10-18 19:37
3 replies
I think he wants valve to issue bans. Should overrule ESIC since it’s their game.
2021-10-20 23:59
2 replies
it would look even worse if they did it now than before.
2021-10-21 00:12
1 reply
Agreed.
2021-10-21 08:02
Expected from ESIC. "niko has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's Syndrome" Wtf they did my man niko dirty! xddd " ESIC found that there was no evidence that pointed towards TeSeS having any knowledge of what HUNDEN's purpose behind the boosts were, making it a hearsay argument between the two parties." Hunden: "Hehe Teses - you know what would be super funny? XD" Teses: "Nah tell me m8." Hunden: "Just randomly boost me here m8, no reason. Just for the lulz. XDDD"
2021-10-18 18:42
1 reply
there is so much that just doesn't fit together and it all looks like a big scam OR like ESIC isn't capable of doing their job
2021-10-18 19:04
#540
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Canada fedezera
Expected
2021-10-18 18:50
#542
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Canada loldougie
This whole coach bug thing is so retarded lol, so many more players knew about this and none of them are being punished. Almost seems unfair to punish the one or two who are unlucky enough to get ratted out by their coaches.
2021-10-18 18:51
"revealed that niko has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's Syndrome" The biggest punishment niko recieved was getting medically-doxxed by ESIC. Xd
2021-10-18 18:54
Wow, a corporation protecting their own?? No way!
2021-10-18 18:59
I love how HUNDEN managed to make things worse for himself.
2021-10-18 19:23
Niko assigned to go to not-cheating classes 😂😂
2021-10-18 19:23
1 reply
yeah, like detention... :D also the monthly 15-min conversation with the commissioner: "u cheated recently bro?" "no" "ok cya next month"
2021-10-18 19:35
After watching hltvconfirmed with ESIC member it was clear the judgement would be with heroic, cheaters
2021-10-18 19:36
1 reply
and that's why you don't cry wolf regardless of whether you're right or wrong. you can't blame ESIC for this, only HUNDEN for going out his way to come across as untrustworthy as possible.
2021-10-18 19:43
As we say in Brazil, It all end up in pizza. But it was expected for ESIC
2021-10-18 19:45
One of my best friends has Asperger's so I know how they can be. I hope Hunden never finds a job again.
2021-10-18 19:53
1 reply
+1
2021-10-18 20:40
#578
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Sweden suriel666
man, fuck Hunden for taking advantage of niko, but LOL ... expected from JOKE Committee aka "esports watchdog" to cite their own document: 14.18 - "There was evidence that, after the Astralis match, the first time the bug was used in “officials”, __ three of the players did “know” that Hunden had used the bug during the game __" So they knew, but ESIC doesn't care because it just hates Hunden Also, in the HLTV Confirmed interview with the commissioner it was crystal clear that he has a hard bias against Hunden and they won't ban Heroic players. Even niko is just gonna have to attend "anti-cheating classes" LMAO > "The Commissioner also engaged with current management and ownership of Heroic, OG and Mad Lions" So basically he asked the DANISH orgs about banning the DANISH players LMAO The whole thing reads like a ultra biased Teacher explaining why he gave Timmy a better grade than Tommy and that Jimmy has to attend "behave"-classes, to prevent him doing "bad things" in the future... Funny how they have the capabilities to contact experts from the "National Autistic Society", but have no clue how to contact a simple (movie-) scene creator or even just a semi-professional photographer to recreate the player posture of Akuma players and how far to the top left their heads have been swinging, to look at their "radar". ESIC = JOKE
2021-10-18 20:06
#587
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Norway Napapijri
Let's hope they will lose all the sponsors and other teams pick up players one by one. The last hope
2021-10-18 20:23
Lmao niko is probabbly the most innocent on that team, just because he inst a cheater and not TwoFaced. he gets the ban. i cant...
2021-10-18 20:39
Obviously the expectations will never be met as there is shit loads of money in skins, wake up
2021-10-18 20:41
This is a joke... Niko admits to cheating and doesn't get punished because he has some mental disorders. Fine, I get that (some) people with mental disorders can irrationally, but to be let off completely free is ridiculous. Give him a reduction in the ban time or something, don't let him walk free. And that they are clearing TeSeS 100% even though he has boosted HUNDEN into place, just doesn't make any sense. This just looks like they are afraid to punish the cheaters because it could reflect badly on the CS scene that a top team, or at least a part of a top team, was cheating.
2021-10-18 20:41
5 replies
#620
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Sweden suriel666
yeah they stated somewhere that they operate "in the interest of esports". So basically they won't ban anyone if it would harm the esports scene. Just like they said that there were many teams abusing the Stream sniping, if they had to ban all, the scene would be dead. So if everyone is cheating = no one cheating, right?
2021-10-19 11:20
1 reply
Then fk the scene. There tons of other players who would push the scene. Many talented kids and players would compete.
2021-10-21 11:15
To be fair, if someone asks me to boost him for fun, I always do it. I don't think about if there is any cheat behind it. TeSeS at that time was not even aware of the bug I believe. So how could he have even thought it was related to cheating somehow?
2021-10-19 15:41
2 replies
Then ask? What's the purpose of the boost? Why are you doing it?
2021-10-21 11:14
#658
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Sweden suriel666
during prac time sure. but not shortly before official matches. you wouldn't want to know what the boost is for? if this were to be incorporated in their play, i would want to know how to do it quickly and what to look for if i'm the one on top. But those questions would be irrelevant as the boost was in the middle of the fucking map and shortly before game start. Also, you seriously think cadian + stavn _didn't_ tell the other players about such a serious thing as Hunden using a bug exploit? they're a team and friends, they share far more than that
2021-10-21 14:00
WHY JUST HUNDEN AND NIKO? TONSSSSSSSSSS OF PEOPLE WAS INVOLVED.
2021-10-18 21:08
CLEANING CHEATERS!? OKAY, ESIC.. F*** YOURSELF THEN
2021-10-18 21:59
I kind of get the niko situatuon, but TeSeS's makes no sense.
2021-10-18 22:03
1 reply
#631
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Russia Thfthf
That tricky Hunded used him like a puppet...
2021-10-19 16:42
wtf how teses was not banned. if niko gets that penalty then teses should too, just because they are at blast finals? wtf
2021-10-18 22:11
The fact that niko could've just snitched and get Heroic DQ'ed then the Challengers spot might have fell down to OG.
2021-10-18 22:51
"" The majority of the former Heroic roster were cleared of any involvement "" It reminds me those cases who you are 100% sure someone is the culprit but the lack of evidence make them "innocent".
2021-10-18 22:56
What a joke.
2021-10-18 23:09
What a joke of a punishment and no punishment at all to heroic players and the org. EU privilege I guess.
2021-10-19 08:30
Every other thread about Esic or Heroic players gets deleted in a matter of hours or minutes. This is just disgraceful
2021-10-19 11:25
lmao
2021-10-19 14:02
Hunden is a joke, he should never be allowed to do anything in CSGO again. Changing his story all the time etc.
2021-10-19 14:55
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I knew this devil HUNDEN was playing on the players trust! 😈 He manipulated them like naive blind puppets who just wanted to be fair. Im even like hearing his devil laugh while doing these dirty things...
2021-10-19 16:39
Is this a joke?! Wtf is that punishment? Just having random conversations about the weather? Does anyone really think that makes a difference? It looks like a desparate attempt to come up with a punishment, but they just made a fool out of themselves. Lmfao! CS still has a loooong way to go.
2021-10-19 18:24
It's hilarious to see that so many people just believe Hunden's supposed "proof" only because it came out first. Mob mentality really is just wild
2021-10-20 05:22
Hunden cheated because he thought it was the right thing to do. Instead of the 2 years ban he should attend esic's lecture programme
2021-10-20 07:01
Ridiculous “punishment”. As Moses pointed out. When kqly got banned titan wasn’t allowed to play in the following major. Fuck them kids
2021-10-20 23:49
Why is hltv deleting my comments? 🤔
2021-10-21 10:24
Right.... BS if you ask me. Seems Heroic has stupid players. Even though they had been playing the game for quite some time, they are not able to realize they get accurate information too often? They are not mature enough to report to management that coach jokes about cheating? In the end they can't connect both of the above and draw conclusions? LFMAO
2021-10-21 11:11
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