Heroic players break silence on HUNDEN's accusations

Players that represented the organization in 2020 denied involvement in the coaching bug abuse and detailed their experiences from the time in a 30-minute video.

Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller, Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund, René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen, and Johannes "⁠b0RUP⁠" Borup feature in a video titled "Our Story" in which the four players that were members of Heroic at the time Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen was caught abusing the coaching bug explain their side of the events.

The three current and one former member of Heroic finally broke the silence on the case following ESIC clearing their name on Monday. "Now that the ESIC investigation is done, we can talk about this topic and we will be able to explain our side of the story," cadiaN said in the video, adding that he is open to follow-up questions from journalists as well.

cadiaN and his teammates opened up about the coaching bug situation (Photo courtesy of Heroic)

"He had played the game professionally for 10-11 years and never cheated," cadiaN starts the video explaining why HUNDEN's decision to abuse the bug in games against Astralis and Spirit in May of 2020 came as a massive surprise to the Danish team. "Why would he all of a sudden use a cheat or a bug? Why would we ever think that he would want to use it, it makes no sense to use it. It is stupid."

At the time of the first instance of the coaching bug, HUNDEN was a part of the team for just three weeks, and according to b0RUP, cadiaN, and stavn, there was nothing about the communication from the coach that gave off warnings about the bug being abused. "There were no alarm bells ringing, the communication was completely normal", the in-game leader pointed out.

cadiaN and stavn became aware of the abuse a few hours after the game, however, as the two of them together with Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen and HUNDEN stayed on TeamSpeak to review the demos of the match. niko, who has since admitted being complicit to HUNDEN's exploits, told his teammates that HUNDEN was bugged during the Astralis game.

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"First I thought it was a joke" stavn said in the video, but both him and cadiaN realized it was real after niko repeated it a couple of times. "We were very shocked," cadiaN continues, which lead to serious discussion. "We gave our opinion on it, saying that under no circumstances should the bug be used."

"We trusted he would do that [not use the bug again], so that is also why it was not communicated to b0rup and TeSeS, which looking back we should've, we should've had a team meeting and said: 'what the f*ck is going on here?'."

The TeamSpeak wasn't recorded during the game against Astralis, cadiaN explains, as at the start of the pandemic players were still used to playing on LAN where that would be sorted out by an admin. The 26-year-old does have a POV video of himself playing the match which he was inspired by the likes of Marcelo "⁠coldzera⁠" David and Martin "⁠STYKO⁠" Styk to create, but it only features his own communication, not that of the whole team.

The second game in which HUNDEN abused the bug was against Spirit, and cadiaN claims that the communication wasn't suspicious either. "If the information he had would've been communicated directly to us, we would've played the game differently", he says, pointing out a round they lost walking into a pistol stack.

HUNDEN claimed TeSeS was complicit to the abuse in the game against the CIS side, backing that up with evidence of TeSeS bosting him into a position in the warmup.

"I didn't know he was in the bug during the game," the 20-year-old denies such claims, giving his version of the story. TeSeS admitted to boosting the coach into a position during warmup, but he says HUNDEN didn't explain why he needed the boost and added that, at the time, he wasn't informed about the fact HUNDEN had already exploited the bug against Astralis five days prior to the game against Spirit. "I don't remember much about it but it didn't seem suspicious, nothing seemed out of the ordinary."

cadiaN, stavn, TeSeS, and b0RUP reveal more details in the video and talk in-depth about the difficulties they had over the past months dealing with the accusations they now publicly denied. "The video was our idea, we want this story out, we want the community to understand," cadiaN says towards the end of it, when they also touch on topics such as HUNDEN leaking their stratbook, the public pressure, and the reactions from analysts and other professional players.

Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
Age:
20
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
719
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1012
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
30
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
Denmark Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1175
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1277
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.68
Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
1363
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
#1
mhL | 
Denmark pautreig
oKAY
2021-10-19 15:26
26 replies
sad that hunden accused them in cheating with him really sad for fair players like heroic!
2021-10-19 15:27
2 replies
not only did he accuse them of cheating but as a veteran of the community he manipulated them into believing he wouldn't continue to cheat but he clearly did, I hope orgs will see this is realize that he shouldn't be in the position of coach if he's going to abuse his players like this.
2021-10-19 15:37
#451
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Brazil bruxo!
+1 i believe in them
2021-10-19 17:56
lul
2021-10-19 15:30
1 reply
always is always was DOGHUNDEN
2021-10-19 23:11
Where is the one guys CSGO LESSONS CADAIN!? its been 7 years
2021-10-19 15:33
4 replies
o.O what are you trying to write?
2021-10-19 15:43
2 replies
7 years ago he said that he was going to do a csgo lesson, but he never did it
2021-10-19 16:05
yes
2021-10-19 16:58
#517
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Germany azmq
The lesson is to not hire Hunden as coach
2021-10-19 19:23
Jesus these guys need to grow up.. crying omg
2021-10-19 22:03
15 replies
ADULTS DON'T CRY FUCKING KIDS, RIGHT?
2021-10-19 22:20
4 replies
They are not kids, c'mon
2021-10-19 23:10
You need to make a drawing ... He clearly do not understand sarcasm. Actually, I think he doesn't understand nothing about anything...
2021-10-20 11:53
2 replies
Feels like lmao
2021-10-20 12:00
1 reply
100%
2021-10-20 12:57
#593
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Finland Lindeni
Yeah imagine crying after being on the brink of having your dream job that you've worked towards your entire life taken away from you because someone is manipulating people and lying. Babies! Could never be me 8)
2021-10-19 22:34
9 replies
Their job or career was never in danger. By entire life u mean couple of years playing a computer game. They are more or less adults, stop the bullshit.
2021-10-19 23:19
8 replies
#616
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Finland Lindeni
Ah yes, someone like brax is still playing CSGO professionally right?
2021-10-19 23:32
1 reply
+111
2021-10-20 10:55
No doubt their salary, sponsorship fees, occasional winnings etc. have provided them with a financial foundation that most people can only dream of. So yes, being financially set for more than a foreseeable future entails not necessarily "entire life" but at least a major part of their life. And you know, exaggeration promotes understanding.
2021-10-20 10:58
5 replies
#773
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Denmark Galdun
Whoever said exaggeration promotes understanding was without a shred of doubt, unequivocally the dumbest person to ever live, never will anyone ever say something that mind-numbingly stupid ever again.. *Certain elements in this comment may have been exaggerated for added understanding
2021-10-20 21:30
1 reply
I commend you
2021-10-21 09:20
Did that happened? They are innocent and now it's proven. I seriously doubt that the team suffered financially. And also they have their salary.
2021-10-22 02:27
2 replies
The premise of your argument is just completely invalid. You're talking past tense about present time. Their job and careers WERE at stake. They ARE not at stake now, because they proved to be innocent. You can't put an equal mark in between the two.
2021-10-22 08:46
1 reply
But they are crying in a time AFTER they proved their innocent. I don't see how their career being on stake before either if they know they are innocent, and also knowing there is an investigation on going that will prove that.
2021-10-22 19:28
friken?
2021-10-19 15:26
#3
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Other KlNG
Weak
2021-10-19 15:26
3 replies
#139
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Australia B_Tannen
+1 cringe and dumb I hope they flop at the major
2021-10-19 16:01
2 replies
+1 deserved for cheaters
2021-10-19 16:28
#541
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New Zealand HeNuX_
+1 Should all be banned
2021-10-19 20:29
#4
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Russia moorlize
ok
2021-10-19 15:26
#6
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Romania LimoN_RO
XD
2021-10-19 15:26
ok
2021-10-19 15:26
HUNDANNNN
2021-10-19 15:26
POG
2021-10-19 15:26
WTF HUGE!
2021-10-19 15:26
respect
2021-10-19 15:26
#13
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Korea zeppyxdxd
Hunden's next career path should be porn
2021-10-19 15:27
6 replies
💀 Edit: Have a good day!
2021-10-19 15:28
2 replies
#41
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Korea zeppyxdxd
Ty, u2
2021-10-19 15:32
#510
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United States 3manu3l
he looks a bit like young ron jeremy
2021-10-19 19:11
agreed
2021-10-19 15:33
#73
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Ukraine VoidWave
+1
2021-10-19 15:38
#244
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Russia rem1nder
he should be a cuckold
2021-10-19 16:27
#15
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Israel dBo
Damn, that was though to watch.
2021-10-19 15:27
dog hunden
2021-10-19 15:27
1 reply
#259
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Finland byrbyl
dog doggen dogger doggerna
2021-10-19 16:31
yes
2021-10-19 15:27
#19
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Czech Republic Ventraks
RESPECT TO NIKO.
2021-10-19 15:27
2 replies
niko was the biggest victim of this entire incident. feels bad for him
2021-10-19 15:35
1 reply
agree i feel bad for him
2021-10-19 23:07
#20
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Sweden sn1pie
Respect to all of them <3
2021-10-19 15:28
#21
Jame | 
Poland Tikdem
hunden god
2021-10-19 15:28
respect
2021-10-19 15:29
btw why talk now when u had so many opportunity to deny it
2021-10-19 15:30
9 replies
#72
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Lithuania FakeDoggo
because of NDA
2021-10-19 15:38
3 replies
the one they refused to sign?
2021-10-19 15:44
2 replies
#108
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Lithuania FakeDoggo
the one from ESIC
2021-10-19 15:47
1 reply
oh
2021-10-19 15:49
contract to not talk till the esic says so
2021-10-19 15:42
Read the article
2021-10-19 16:35
There was essentially a court case going on, talking about things while it was going on would be unethical.
2021-10-19 18:58
If you watched the video they explain that
2021-10-19 19:05
Funny how they even say in video that most ppl will only read headline and not read whole articles and video. In beginning of the video they say that the couldn't talk in public because Hunden kept changing his story all the time.
2021-10-20 19:48
Fairytale Story, Pinoccio to be exact, the lies are so dense that their noses grow tall
2021-10-19 15:30
3 replies
+1
2021-10-19 21:05
+1
2021-10-20 19:57
HAHAHAHAHA TRUE
2021-10-20 23:33
bullshit just give them punishment
2021-10-19 15:30
38 replies
#32
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Ukraine Sla1ter
+1
2021-10-19 15:30
8 replies
+1
2021-10-19 15:31
4 replies
#40
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Ukraine Sla1ter
heroic crying like they didnt know that they were cheating LUL
2021-10-19 15:31
3 replies
dont speak please, russia/ukraine notorius for cheating so you are not the right to comment
2021-10-19 16:03
2 replies
don't speak please. Danish people are known for always being drunk, so you don't have the right to comment
2021-10-19 16:34
don't speak please. Danish people are known for always being crybaby, so you don't have the right to comment
2021-10-19 19:48
#597
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Finland Lindeni
+1 ban Na'Vi too, had two cheating coaches! Fucking cheaters! S0mple no major for you get banned kid! Haha!
2021-10-19 22:36
2 replies
#648
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Ukraine Sla1ter
nt Finland jimpphat, jamppi, twista don't exist? xD
2021-10-20 05:22
1 reply
#649
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Finland Lindeni
Wait Jimpphat who's 15 and jamppi who plays Valorant and twista who cheated with a tier 7 team called iGame? nt, s1mple had 2 coaches cheating for him, get banned n00b
2021-10-20 06:03
#38
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Norway fuxzer
crying ruski checks out
2021-10-19 15:31
3 replies
watch the full video u will see who is crying
2021-10-19 15:32
2 replies
#51
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Norway fuxzer
yes you are
2021-10-19 15:34
1 reply
yes you are
2021-10-19 15:43
#82
chrisJ | 
Sweden qrii
+1 also this news is very weird, this video should not be here at ALL since it's pure heroic propaganda instead of the impartial truth that's the first time i see hltv doing wrong, maybe it's about the new management
2021-10-19 15:40
23 replies
this is all business bro
2021-10-19 15:41
5 replies
#385
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Brazil yakd
Also i don't undertstand why it wasnt realeased before the esic decision.
2021-10-19 17:22
4 replies
Becuase during investigations, it's better to keep your mouth shut to the public and let the investigation take hand. This also implies in during real life crimes. If you decide to kill someone, it's better to keep your mouth shut and have your lawyer being your communication line instead of blabbering. This is why Hunden fucked up. He blamed everyone left right and center and as Cadian states in this video, they rather focusing telling their story to the right instance instead of to the public and telling all sorts of stories where stuff has accidentally been left out or wrong facts has been added by mistake, risking damaging their team mates or team. Hunden decided to blame everyone and changes stories and facts every now and then. By Hunden doing this he might havehelped Cadian and co. in their case.
2021-10-19 22:09
3 replies
#589
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Brazil yakd
Yes i know and they have lawyers in the middle or someone for public relations to check everything thats been said. But it looks shady and scripted. They admitted to knowing after the spirit game but didnt report it to esic/admins or even valve. That fact alone for me is worth a ban.
2021-10-19 22:25
2 replies
I agree that 3 of the players had a good chance earlier to stop Hunden and come clean. And I don't understand why hunden did it at all, if not to try and gain an advantage for the team. But for me the video was good. Yes it is cut to make the players look as good as possible, but it also shows how much this have done to them, and how much mayhem cheating can bring to a team.
2021-10-19 23:05
1 reply
#647
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Brazil yakd
Its already politics, you won't have 100% certainty of what transpired. The amount of money behind a team and the overall situation of a bug of this caliber appearing in a competitive game.
2021-10-20 02:26
if the video wasnt here it could be considered silencing. this is bias strategy
2021-10-19 21:36
Well HLTV reported plenty on Hunden side of the case, why can't the players tell their story?
2021-10-19 22:17
2 replies
hunden had impact, could literally ban heroic now this video? it's...... just players talking
2021-10-19 22:30
1 reply
Ok, so you think they should have defended themselves before the ruling? I'm not sure that would have made it better.
2021-10-19 22:36
#598
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Finland Lindeni
Wait, so, publishing Hunden false allegations was okay but publishing their side of the story isn't? Nice.
2021-10-19 22:37
12 replies
by then they didnt know it was "false" (were they?), but now this video is useless, the reports happened already, case is closed, no good reason for making news about it, as nothing is actually new you may go and say "oh their side is something new" but nah, just some script the org handed the players to read, it's all useless
2021-10-19 22:40
11 replies
#615
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Finland Lindeni
Ah yes, source on the fact it was the org that gave them the script and made them make the video? Yes mens, source please mens
2021-10-19 23:30
10 replies
idk? you give me it, the video is entirely useless anyway, irrelevant content, again, nothing new
2021-10-19 23:34
9 replies
#618
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Finland Lindeni
But you said it was scripted by the org, surely you have the source on this? Yes? Yes mens?
2021-10-19 23:37
8 replies
why is it relevant? if i say there is no source, will something change? maybe it will make the video less useless? not at all, it should not be on hltv.
2021-10-19 23:39
7 replies
#621
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Finland Lindeni
It's relevant because you're claiming the org made the script for them to make the video where they talk about their side of the story. It's relevant because it, again, gives their side of the story. You're fine with tens of articles about the allegations being out there but literally two articles about their innocence is too much and shouldn't be on HLTV? Boo fucking hoo for you.
2021-10-19 23:48
6 replies
my claim was nothing but an opinion, the video still useless as l argued above, ldk what else you want also l just suggest that you stop writing this funny way
2021-10-19 23:55
5 replies
#624
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Finland Lindeni
You really need to learn what opinions and arguments are. Also, "it's funny that a legit team could be playing the major right now but instead we got heroic" on the Jamppi thread from you, I rest my case. Go cry more.
2021-10-19 23:58
4 replies
rest your case on personal attacks? that's what l expected bro.
2021-10-19 23:58
3 replies
#626
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Finland Lindeni
Another thing you should learn is a "personal attack." But do elaborate, yes mens?
2021-10-19 23:59
2 replies
no *leaves*
2021-10-20 00:00
1 reply
#629
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Finland Lindeni
Expected. Have a nice day, hopefully your tomorrow isn't as hate filled as today has been. Learn to be a bit more happy my friend. :)
2021-10-20 00:03
crying ruski checks out
2021-10-19 17:00
#30
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Ukraine Sla1ter
poor heroic yeah
2021-10-19 15:30
#34
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Finland Tusku
offense is the best defense
2021-10-19 15:31
1 reply
Allu moment lol
2021-10-19 16:30
#36
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Norway fuxzer
Hunden seems like a real dirtbag
2021-10-19 15:31
13 replies
#53
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United States Rayduh
based on all the evidence so far, it seems apparent
2021-10-19 15:34
#87
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Still the most likeable guy in that team tho :(
2021-10-19 15:41
11 replies
You know it's bad when that's the case lol.
2021-10-19 16:22
1 reply
#241
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Yea :(
2021-10-19 16:26
Most likeable if you're an asshole, yes
2021-10-19 17:02
8 replies
#523
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Im not excusing any of his actions. But apart from everything that happened in the last year, he's still the most likeable danish player.
2021-10-19 19:50
7 replies
Baiting, trolling or weirdo?
2021-10-19 21:32
4 replies
#569
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Just my honest opinion. There's not many likeable danish people in the csgo community
2021-10-19 21:34
3 replies
ok ok I'll bite then... Uhhh, what you say make all us Danes very angry and sad. I hope you fell better now. Have a great day! <3
2021-10-19 22:29
what a wild statement...do you know any of them personally? for instance. i am a nice guy. i like icecream, 80's-music and girls who have sex on the first date. dont you? :/
2021-10-20 00:01
1 reply
#668
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
Well i obviously meant public csgo figures :) I have nothing against you personally mate :)
2021-10-20 09:40
Tbh I've always felt that all of the Astralis players are very likeable, especially Xyp, Gla1ve and Dupreeh.
2021-10-20 13:51
1 reply
#706
SPUNJ | 
Europe Pts
I don't mind xyp and dupreeh but gla1ve is literally the most unlikeable person ever for me, not only in csgo community
2021-10-20 13:56
wow the PR of this guys... the heroic CEO must gave them a pay raise!
2021-10-19 15:31
2 replies
#48
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United States Rayduh
they did win the PR, convincingly, i actually feel sad for Heroic now :(
2021-10-19 15:33
1 reply
thats was the point! It was as fake as ESIC
2021-10-19 15:35
OMEGALUL
2021-10-19 15:32
No sponsors for u anyways
2021-10-19 15:33
3 replies
#50
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United States Rayduh
they won the PR though, very convincingly
2021-10-19 15:33
2 replies
Keep on trying, Heroic’s PR boy lul
2021-10-19 15:42
1 reply
#111
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United States Rayduh
most people feel bad about Heroic players like TeSeS now
2021-10-19 15:48
#45
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United States Rayduh
Sad to watch
2021-10-19 15:33
#49
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I imagine this wasn't easy to make... Obviously it is subject to opinion what is taken away from this video, so good to know...
2021-10-19 15:33
27 replies
for sure, countless of hours spent rehearsing. Expected from rat org heroic
2021-10-19 15:43
26 replies
If that is what you want to take away from this, then fair enough. :) Either way I know this would've been difficult for them to make, so I'm glad that the official opinions of the current HEROIC roster are now on the surface.
2021-10-19 15:49
+1
2021-10-19 16:15
you're actually braindead if you took that away
2021-10-19 16:18
+1
2021-10-19 16:37
-1 braindead swede stop hurting our country's already shitty reputation...
2021-10-19 17:04
21 replies
You while typing that comment: i.gyazo.com/d9d92df3d2438e75cfd697ab4f5e..
2021-10-19 19:52
20 replies
Very close, very close.... It is how I feel when I see how retarded people like you are. Its barely comprehensible that your level of stupidity can even exist in the world.
2021-10-20 13:50
19 replies
Keep crying loser
2021-10-20 14:20
18 replies
This is all you have "keep crying", "go cry". My 8 year old niece got better comebacks than you. Go educate yourself you inbred fuck
2021-10-20 14:42
17 replies
i.gyazo.com/030a137c88a42c0d0046de212330.. ah yes, you're providing some highly educated standpoints right there. I will stop skipping class and get an education. Thanks for the suggestion. Keep crying little soyboy keyboard warrior. Maybe take your daily soy meal to calm yourself down a bit?
2021-10-20 17:30
16 replies
Standpoints? What standpoints are there to make when dealing with kids that are still in their diapers? The only thing to do with idiotic kids is to give them a whooping and make sure they get some education
2021-10-21 20:16
15 replies
You complained about my comebacks? The fuck else am I supposed to say to "inbred fuck"? You yourself are giving no comeback of value either. Gå och lägg dig ditt jävla socfall du verkar ju sjukt sne
2021-10-26 20:31
14 replies
Gå klart grundskolan så går ja o lägger mig, blir bra
2021-10-26 20:46
13 replies
skaffa ett jobb som alla andra så kanske du kan sova gott till och med
2021-10-26 20:55
12 replies
tack för tipset, har du lärt dig de på LHS?
2021-10-26 23:49
11 replies
Lärt mig det själv som alla andra till skillnad från dig. Dags att lägga ner mer self projection grabben
2021-10-27 09:06
10 replies
"lägga ner mer self projection" Snälla gå klart grundskolan, din språkförståelse är pinsam.
2021-10-27 14:42
9 replies
aa sorry för man skrev "mer" istället för "med" säker på att du aldrig råkar trycka fel tangent. Väldigt relaterat till språkförståelse. Herregud vilken fet autism du har
2021-10-27 16:08
8 replies
mer istället för mer? du får kanske sluta använda så "stora ord", gör det lite lättare för dig själv.
2021-10-27 16:09
7 replies
Läs om horunge
2021-10-27 16:10
6 replies
hahahahaha, skönt att du såg felet till slut iaf så du kunde edita. Du borde inte använda ord du inte förstår dock
2021-10-27 16:14
5 replies
billiga comebacks
2021-10-27 16:20
4 replies
du gör det billigt
2021-10-27 16:47
3 replies
Tror inte jag har grinat när du missat en bokstav. Bara pinsamt
2021-10-27 17:10
2 replies
menade inte bokstäverna nu, mer bara att du försöker använda ord du inte förstår
2021-10-27 17:41
1 reply
menar du "self projection" nu? Kallar du det för stora ord?
2021-10-27 17:42
jesus christ... should have just manned up and moved on since they didnt get any penalty :()
2021-10-19 15:34
2 replies
#415
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Brazil victorhsl
They were (and still are) getting a lot of hate even after the outcome, I would've done the same thing.
2021-10-19 17:35
1 reply
+1
2021-10-27 14:43
valve dont care esic dont care and major will happen well thats csgo for u if this was dota gaben punish them already :D
2021-10-19 15:35
6 replies
Meanwhile steel and brax is still banned for match fixing in a freaking na shite game...... for skins lol sad to see
2021-10-19 16:32
5 replies
They SHOULD be banned for life, they are great examples of what happens if you try your hand in matchfixing.
2021-10-19 17:06
4 replies
There was no rules or precedent about matchmaking back then yet the get a lifetime ban for something that technically wasn't against the rules. Yup seems legit
2021-10-19 20:14
3 replies
#576
mSx | 
Latvia CVJMZ
Was on rules or not, if you are domb to throw away match where real people place real money, those actions should be punished (they did for sure). If at that time there wouldnt be bets for match winner, herreee youuu goo, throw how much&hard you want. Why should i lose real money because some kids wanted those expensive skins? Lmao nice logic there for sure
2021-10-19 21:56
1 reply
I agree 100 percent. But to assume they were malicious in intent and thinking things like "yeah let's fuck over our viewers" instead of just simply being young and dumb and not fully thinking about the effects of what they were doing is a bit presumptuous. Especially because these players LITERALLY WERENT PAYED. They didn't get payed to play cs. They had their flights and hotels covered but that's it. The scene was very small back then. So when you consider all these factors and that there wasn't and rules or precedents in place. I believe banning them from playing, analyzing, casting, hosting, and anything to do at all with any valve event for life is a bit much in my opinion.
2021-10-19 23:26
Matchfixing is pretty much law breaking. It doesnt matter if it was in the rules or not, matchfixing is worse than forsakens blatant cheats even.
2021-10-20 13:48
Bullshit!
2021-10-19 15:35
Bruh
2021-10-19 15:35
#59
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Indonesia draizze
About teses boosting hunden to abuse the bug, there's no proof he didn't know what the purpose. It's only his statement with 50% chance true or false. Rather than proof, it's just like saying believe what we said.
2021-10-19 15:37
21 replies
Everybody sane would question why would not we test stuff on a TEST server, not in an official one, 20 minutes before match. That is just a blatant lie by TeSeS, the story simply does not hold water. He should be held responsible
2021-10-19 15:37
19 replies
Why would you question a boost related to a bug you don't know exists?
2021-10-19 16:07
18 replies
If you do some research, you can find out that the bug was known at the time. That is the worst thing. Also, you would not atleast ask your coach, hey, why are we doing it on an official server?
2021-10-19 16:12
17 replies
god you're still going around being blind
2021-10-19 16:15
11 replies
God, you're still going around pretending to be a a knight in a white suit of armor. Please do continue, maybe they will send you a Heroic jersey, signed by the cheater TeSeS himself
2021-10-19 16:19
10 replies
"pretending to be a knight" no I'm just not being oblivious to the piles of clearing evidence of heroic and only choosing to believe hunden's 5x changed story grow the fuck up
2021-10-19 16:22
9 replies
I would not believe Hundens stories even if they passed polygraph. But I also do not believe TeSeS was not aware or questioned him when he asked him to boost him. Easy as that. I am not arguing with people here because I want Heroic banned or any sort of witch hunts on them. I said nothing about them before, evidence says they are clear and that's a fact. I am arguing because I am literate, and I can read in Esic article that he was indeed boosted by TeSeS. Esic chose to belive him telling them that he was not aware, I chose to believe he was lying. Chances are 50/50, we can't read his mind so there is no way to prove if he lies or not. We both see the same coin, just from different sides, why is that so hard to accept for you?
2021-10-19 16:46
8 replies
Lets say you were warming up on a server and someone asked you to boost them in a spot. Would you seriously ask them "Why do you want me to boost you here?" "Explain very detailed to me why you want a boost exactly here on a warmup". Ofc you would not, warmup is just fun and games, you jump around and sit in wierd positions, teamflash and shit. This is why the saying is, "you never go full retard". But that is what you just did there.
2021-10-19 17:10
7 replies
Let's say we were warming up, and you tell me hey I know this awesome boost spot, let's do it, it will activate the bug and I can help us win. Maybe that happened? Maybe not? We don't know. You are the one who choose to see only one side and believe it. There is this phrase that says that common sense is the most limited of all the natural resources. And you just show how limited you are, especially by writing something like "going full retard" That also says that you are most likely around 16 years of age and not worth conversing with. So I wish you a nice evening, bye
2021-10-19 17:27
2 replies
"Lets say we were warming up and I tell you that this thing activates the coach bug" That would mean that TeSeS knew the bug was being used during the game and would have plenty of opportunity to use the bug with the help of Hunden. The team has been cleared of all charges against them after being reviewed probably a 1000 time by different professionals. You say you're a literate man but your reasoning is extremely flawed. Common sense and writing something like "going full retard" doesnt have anything to do with the other. You writing that just shows again that your logic and reasoning skills are worth less than shit. I guess being literate doesnt help you with reasoning and logic
2021-10-19 17:53
#585
mSx | 
Latvia CVJMZ
I dont care about your two guys drama i just wanted to say - At that time when people knew there is some kind of "coach bug" only few of them knew how to "activate" that bug. TeSes still very young probably he didnt knew those small details for sure + maybe Hunden had some fresh idea for new boost before game thats why didnt have single fuck about what coach trying to do. What trying to say - used or not, like cadiaN said they didnt recived any strange info ingame so probably that bug didnt help them as much people talk + with bug info you cant outaim people and yeah, heroic proved that they still can play. Its time to move on :) I agree with you about coins two sides tho :) good night
2021-10-19 22:11
I can assure you that warmup is not just "fun and games" where you "jump around and sit in weird positions, teamflash and does shit" You have obviously never played on a team since you would think that. So when your friend (and in this situation your coach) tells you to boost him somewhere, you will automatically say "whats up?" because there seems to be an idea behind it. I have no clue how anyone would think otherwise.
2021-10-20 00:07
3 replies
In 1.6 I played in a team, competed on Dreamhack, played on stage and such. I know what it is like to play the game. Warmup is just that, warmup. And yes that is mostly just fun and games. You will not automatically ask "whats up?" And even if he did Hunden would most likely just answer "just checking something" if he wasnt intending on letting TeSeS know he was using the bug, which he clearly wasnt.
2021-10-20 13:45
2 replies
Thats my point. HUNDEN would probably answer that if indeed TeSeS did ask. But apparently he didn't. Which is weird imo.
2021-10-20 20:01
1 reply
On such a high level of gaming when there is so much on the line I wouldnt bother asking either. I would never ever assume that anyone was cheating in my team, especially since they get paid thousands of dollars every month as pro gamers. That would kind of be like Messi assuming his coach was paying of the referee.
2021-10-21 20:31
Was known by who? If you have to do "research" then it was not "known" by a majority (And that's why ESIC took so long to act). So I stand by what I said, if he didn't know about it (totally possible) why would he question a boost asked from his coach?
2021-10-19 16:20
4 replies
+1
2021-10-19 16:48
+1 some people with brains exist on the forum, good to know!
2021-10-19 17:21
#420
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Brazil victorhsl
+1 and even if it was known you wouldn't just assume your coach would be stupid enough to use it if you trust him.
2021-10-19 17:37
+1
2021-10-20 08:02
Innocent until proven guilty. I think teses is more reliable than dog Hunden anyway, so more like 70/30%
2021-10-19 17:30
too much drama
2021-10-19 15:36
Respect to everybody except TeSeS
2021-10-19 15:35
#63
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Sweden Zyk059
So Heroic knew Hunden cheated, so they told him "don't do it again"? Like wtf if he cheated, he shouldn't be on the team anymore. If I was the management I would kick him immediately. Btw, did they even talk about the clauses that were put in place in the organisation?
2021-10-19 15:36
34 replies
Flag checks out. It happened once as far as they know in a game they lost. They wanted to move on and had too much respect for Hunden. Stop the witch hunt, lets watch the major and let the guys play in peace.
2021-10-19 15:37
32 replies
#81
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Sweden Zyk059
"They wanted to move on and had too much respect for Hunden." This is the problem. just cuz its hunden means he got a free pass I am not saying the players did wrong. The org did wrong for not kicking him in the first place. A cheater does not belong in professional cs.
2021-10-19 15:40
4 replies
Issue too was that the organization had just switched owner in the middle of all of this or some shit. Shortly before scandal came out someone bought out heroic brand. the new owners could have kicked out everyone and washed their hands of the ordeal but they stuck by them. Heroic handled it poorly overall though, especially by giving Hunden a job during the ban, that was horse shit.
2021-10-19 15:45
3 replies
#114
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Sweden Zyk059
Agreed, they were too delusional to not hire him in the first place.
2021-10-19 15:48
2 replies
I think the Org knew the kind of retribution Hunden would try to pull, look how quick he went to media and tossed the guys and the org under a bus. Heroic knew and they kept him on to shut him up and not black mail them. Then he fucked them by revealing the strat book. Hunden is enemy number 1 in CSGO scene, period.
2021-10-19 15:50
1 reply
+1
2021-10-19 17:12
So you wanna tell me that TeSeS did not question, why would my coach invite me to an OFFICIAL server, to try to boost him in a certain spot, 20 minutes before match? Why don't we do it on a test server? If the case is as he states, than he is either mentally disabled or extremely dumb, which he does not seem to be. I agree with everything, except TeSeS case, his story just does not hold water
2021-10-19 15:40
26 replies
It's a power dynamic thing, lets say Tess knew, he may not neccassarily wanted to but felt compelled to - "do it, or you're kicked" Hunden had that kind of power you better believe it. What I am saying is - Hunden got his ban, what good would it serve now to also ban tesses? The kid is just 20, and say what you will, 20 year old esport players are still very naive and easily manipulated. They could have said nothing but they owned what they did, lets watch the major.
2021-10-19 15:43
24 replies
That is why it bothers me. If you remember, recently, Esic conducted a witch hunt on Australian matchfixers. 4 of them were 20 years old, same as TeSeS, and the main guy was 27. They said he made them, Esic said we don't give a f. They were charged, by court and some of them are possibly facing jail time. Tier 4 kids, with no scene, tried to make couple hundred dollars and are caught and charged. And I completely AGREE that they should, it is a right thing to do. But TeSeS can just play the victim card, and nothing happens? He and Hunden should be banned for life and never have anything to do with this game, otherwise we show that the system is the same as with UEFA, where if you have money and power, you are not held responsible
2021-10-19 15:54
9 replies
ah look at you! You're working for ESIC? Or do you think you can do a better job than them? They concluded that he didn't know about the bug, they CONCLUDED THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE BUG. What are you, braindead?
2021-10-19 16:43
8 replies
How did they conclude that? By believing his word. No other way to prove/disapprove it. He said he was not aware, and they believe him. You can read it in the article. I choose not to believe him. Why is it so hard to accept for you? If somebody tells us that he climbed this tree, I can for example believe him, and you not. Nobody was there, nobody saw it, it's his word that we believe or not. Same case here. It is his word they believe and I don't. There is no evidence that he knew or not, unless they are able to read minds
2021-10-19 16:52
7 replies
why don't you believe him? what is the reason to not believe his words? Always assume the worst from people?
2021-10-19 16:58
6 replies
I never assumed or wrote anything before Esic offical statement. Never assumed anything about niko or Heroic as an organization, they are innocent, and those are proven facts with strong evidence. The only thing I choose not to believe is the case of TeSeS, simply because in my mind, it makes no sense that he was that clueless. I repeat, in MY mind. You have your mind, and you believe otherwise, and that is completely fine. In this case, we are looking at the same coin from different sides and we both have our own opinion on it, and both of our opinions may or may not be true. Can't we be civil and agree that we disagree, and move on?
2021-10-19 17:20
5 replies
I was confused about this one. In the situation mentioned with Teses and Hunden. Is Hunden in Spectator mode or is he on a team? Either way, I could think of many ways that Hunden could have explained his reasoning for standing in different positions eg. checking out angles to a person who hadn't heard about this bug beforehand.. Or am I misunderstanding something?
2021-10-19 17:46
3 replies
Yeah, I think so too. Except when its done on official server 20 minutes before the game. That I do not believe. When its done on a test server, where every single team tests out boosts, angles and stuff, it is completely fine. But again, that's just my opinion, I don't wish to further argue with anybody. I respect every opinion equally.
2021-10-19 17:50
2 replies
Reading alot of your comments I can say that I 100% agree with you. I'm honestly clueless how people can sit and argue against you when all you're saying, is that you just dont buy in to his story. I'm having trouble believing it to be 100% true myself. Its hard for me to imagine that you wouldn't go "whats up?" when your coach asks you to boost him like that. Atleast you'd like to know the idea behind it. If TeSeS were to say that he actually DID ask what the idea behind it was, and HUNDEN answered with a lie about it or something, then I would buy in to it more. But the whole "I didnt ask and was just clueless about it" seems a bit weird for me aswell. And you are right about ESIC just believing what he says without further ado. Not that I blame them for it because they don't have clear evidence against him so how could they ever build a case, but still.. It's a matter of opinion and mine is like yours. It smells.
2021-10-20 00:22
1 reply
Exactly. We are trying to be civil and argument our case, but some people just feel offended, like I doubt them, not a CS player. Fortunately there are like-minded individuals like you, who see both perspectives. Wish you a nice day men)
2021-10-20 14:13
Yeah, agree to disagree
2021-10-20 10:33
no matter what argument you use, if he knew and didn't communicate he complicited to it it's a thing called honesty
2021-10-19 16:04
13 replies
Are you confused about how power dynamics work? He was scared to lose his job if he said anything, or if he had suspicion. Stop it.
2021-10-19 16:06
12 replies
So if I invite you and couple of my mates to steal something, and threathen/scare you that you would lose your job and keep your mouth shut, judge would just say "ah, okay, sorry he made you, you are free to go" ? No, you would face less consequences than me, but still be held responsible.
2021-10-19 16:16
you're the one that seems confused here, and stop using buzzwords to defend his actions, he's not a child, in fact he's a 20 year old man, old enough to know what's right or wrong
2021-10-19 16:25
10 replies
Thank god ESIC made their ruling and thank God the opinions of small minded idiots like you stays where they belong - comment section of HLTV. Seeya.
2021-10-19 16:29
2 replies
ESIC are a bunch of clowns who are most likely bribed by the orgs to hide this stuff, you dishonest asshole
2021-10-19 16:42
1 reply
Not everything is Brazil you know
2021-10-19 16:46
yeah no...the consequence-thinking part of the brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25-30 for males so...young men are more naive during the early 20s.
2021-10-19 16:45
6 replies
nice argument, surely this ends the debate
2021-10-19 16:50
5 replies
it surely doesn't but it makes your argument null. We can still say that "TeSeS should've known better" and stuff like, sure. But not because he's "old enough", but rather because he should have that experiance. Be he doesn't, HUNDEN was new in the team, the bug wasn't a well known bug at the time, and I don't see why he would think that what he was doing was a part of a cheat, too much respect for a well known character in the CS:GO arena like HUNDEN makes him think that what he is doing isn't bad or weird
2021-10-19 16:57
4 replies
I get your point and I didn't think that way
2021-10-19 18:44
3 replies
Then we can agree to disagree
2021-10-19 21:02
2 replies
no, I meant to say that what you said made me rethink that maybe he was being led to abuse a bug by hunden that he wasn't aware of
2021-10-19 21:25
1 reply
Okey, well that was my point actually so i'm glad you could see it. I can see your point as well though, don't get me wrong. i just go for the sake of good in this case. Sure my biggest doubts is in TeSeS among the accused players, even in the video the other two seemed more true than TeSeS, however i can buy his explaination and i bet he wish he would've acted differently. And if he was lying, he could've come up with a better lie than that, so that is why i believe it to be true, it's such a bad lie it has to be true lol
2021-10-20 10:38
What does it matter if they do it on the official server or a test server? Why would it be wierd to get boosted during a warmup? If he knew exactly how the bug worked, then yes, that would be questionable. But most players didnt know specifics about the bug except that it existed. Alot of players never even came across it.
2021-10-19 17:18
Yeah, just like other 37 coaches. Guerri even has been able to stand in for Furia and no one is saying anything...
2021-10-19 16:08
GOOD JOB HUNDEN! MADE THEM CRY! I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY NOW!
2021-10-19 15:36
Ban these hackers. Crybabies.
2021-10-19 15:36
6 replies
stfu kid
2021-10-19 17:20
5 replies
Okay 70 yrs old boomer.
2021-10-19 17:55
4 replies
10 year old kid go to bed now
2021-10-19 18:14
3 replies
okay kiddo although i am your dad's age
2021-10-20 13:09
2 replies
You are 65?
2021-10-20 13:40
1 reply
69 kid
2021-10-20 13:41
Good to know that crying helps you get out of any trouble now! thx leftists...
2021-10-19 15:38
1 reply
flair + flag checks out, braindead uk men are in plenty
2021-10-19 17:20
#75
phzy | 
Sweden Wiman
i like heroic now.
2021-10-19 15:39
youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0 Cadian is as much of a snake as dog hunden. He must have obviously known, and the whole team probably did. Cheaters the whole bunch, they should get actual punishment.
2021-10-19 15:39
13 replies
You got a shoutout in the ESIC Report bro: 13.3 The common community sentiment that “the players must have known” or “how could the players not know?” seems to be emotionally rather than rationally considered opinions that actually carry no weight when carefully examined under the burden of evidence.
2021-10-19 15:41
12 replies
Negative IQ heroic fan spotted
2021-10-19 16:36
2 replies
Stop crying kid, you cant turn your life around to something good some day.
2021-10-19 17:24
+1
2021-10-19 17:24
So maybe they didn't find evidence that proved the fact that they knew, that doesn't mean that they didn't know. I know a lying snake when I see one and cadian is clearly a snake. Also if they were actually "clean" they would have gone out with a statement right away, instead they acted like guilty people act.
2021-10-19 17:26
3 replies
Guys let's ban Cadian NO_JW_NO_FUN recognised him as a snake. maybe try to be the detective of ESIC Mr. holmes? Dude really just said "there is no proof but i know he is xiter" Twitter user i presume
2021-10-19 17:33
it doesn't mean they can't have known, but it means that if you claim "they knew" then you're not making that claim because of facts or evidence, you're just using your emotions and opinions :^)
2021-10-19 17:35
1 reply
Then why heroic players are using emotions to tell their side of the story?
2021-10-20 20:38
#579
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Sweden suriel666
14.18 says there is TeamSpeak evidence that 3 players knew _after the first game_ that Hunden used the bug. Then TeSeS even boosted him for another game vs Spirit 5 days later. Hunden's claim was "the players knew" and that they were complicit, which is confirmed by 14.18 and the fact that TeSeS boosted him 20 min prior to game start for 2nd abuse of bug
2021-10-19 21:58
4 replies
There's a difference between knowing after a game and being complicit in the cheating. There's just not enough proof they were complicit, that's all. Are there suspicious things? Sure. But there just isn't enough evidence to say they were complicit. The worst thing we can accuse them of with 100% certainty is that they didn't report it after they heard about it after the first match. But I'm willing to believe that the players trusted Hunden that he wouldn't do it again, and there isn't enough evidence to counter that point either.
2021-10-20 11:27
3 replies
+1
2021-10-20 15:21
What you mean he wouldn't do it again. If someone you know murder someone and you knew you would just trust him he doesn't kill another person? They should immediately suspend him and report it. Instead they hide it like rats and believe he wont do it again. Cant believe how easy heroic got away with it when they probably paid ESIC to produce this kind of dogshit report. Hunden is piece of shit but so are all heroic players because they knew which is proven by evidence. I didnt like heroic before but now I hate them. Piece of shit org and players. When that report came out is when competitive integrity died in CSGO.
2021-10-20 20:20
1 reply
#782
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Sweden suriel666
> Cant believe how easy heroic got away with it when they probably paid ESIC to produce this kind of dogshit report. well yeah, cadiaN himself said they have been "working with ESIC from the start". So Heroic basically said ESIC what the report say and the bias of the report is more than obvious IMO > When that report came out is when competitive integrity died in CSGO. well, ESIC's definition of "competitive integrity" is: > "I hope this changes in future as people know that ESIC will investigate fairly and sympathetically in the best interests of esports. Competitive integrity is key to the sustainability and increased commerciality of professional elite esports. If people lose faith in the product, it is the players that will suffer most and I hope all players accept that we are all in this together and that ESIC is here to protect them." So they only care about 1) increased commerciality of pro elite esports and 2) he wants to protect the players, even if they are cheating, because they generate money
2021-10-21 13:49
#79
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Russia zhban001
Heroic one love <3
2021-10-19 15:39
Liars.
2021-10-19 15:40
no one believes this horseshit, they're all cheaters, every single one of them
2021-10-19 15:40
#86
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United Kingdom spxrkk
they are not cheaters why are all the salty haters mad
2021-10-19 15:41
25 replies
It's cognitive dissonance. They spent months believing Heroic were cheating scum, probably because they were mad that Heroic was beating their favourite teams, and now that they've been exonerated, they're so afraid of having to accept that they were wrong and wasted all their energy so they just live in denial.
2021-10-19 15:42
23 replies
You honestly believe everything in that pr reason of heroic. After 1 year, they decided to tell their stories, just before the majors.I think an American soap is more credible than that. Stop this psychological bs
2021-10-19 16:05
22 replies
they had an NDA with esic that they couldnt talk about it until now
2021-10-19 16:09
19 replies
Maybe on this last affair while the investigation but they totally could step up after hunden was banned for the first time and influent people like gla1ve asked cadian directly if the players knew something, why he didn't throw all this story back then or said he had no idea?
2021-10-19 17:22
18 replies
+1
2021-10-19 17:45
he did say that he didnt know hunden used it lmao, what are you talking about
2021-10-19 17:56
16 replies
Now, not one year ago when gla1ve asked him directly or xyp9x accused them of cheating. If he never did anyrhing wrong, why wait all this time?
2021-10-19 17:58
15 replies
heroic.gg/heroic-suspend-hunden/ hunden even said that he did it all on his own, without the knowledge of the players. how can you genuinely believe hunden when hes come out with 4 different versions of what happened lmfao
2021-10-19 18:11
14 replies
Do you realize that you keep telling me unrelated things? Gla1ve asked them after the ban and they remained silent for months, xyp9x accused them before the first investigation and they remained silent. If they had nothing to say, why are they talking now? If they were innocent back then, why they didn't step up to say they had nothing to do? How's possible that xyp9x knew they were doing shady things but heroic players had no idea, at all?
2021-10-19 18:23
13 replies
did you not see the link i posted? that was their response. why would they complicate things by putting out personal statements to everyone that asks? do you know how this could affect them in court?
2021-10-19 18:27
12 replies
Why they are doing a personal statement now by your logic? There's no court here, that's the problem. ESIC does whatever they like.
2021-10-19 18:42
10 replies
And when you rely on esic judgment after 1 year to prove the "truth" and cannot give any answer one year back. It means that you are controlling a lot your message because you dont want stuff to go public. A video after the whole year just before the major, I dont buy it. I understand why teses dont go public, but cadian the igl, the older, the leader, nothing ...
2021-10-19 18:57
7 replies
Would you want to call attention to yourself if you were in that situation while having to play top-tier CS? I doubt it. It was probably more panic than malicious intent. The only moment we know he knew was also after the game, and it seems to me like Astralis implied they all knew during the game. I think most people would try and let things fade away in the hopes that it wouldn't resurface.
2021-10-20 11:32
6 replies
I understand the human's reaction, but at the same time, it is not a fairy tale. If you don't give proper answer after those long times, you act like nothing happen and you use hunden as the black sheep, you are kinda responsible of this mess. They tried to minimize too much their implications. They so scared to admit some faults, it creates so much doubt aout their honesty. Crying doesn't change what they have done. Prison is full of person who is crying
2021-10-20 14:33
I know it is not same the kind of case, but at least nip vs anonymo saga, nip allows hampus to talk "freely " about the situation. Device react a bit, but at least they show more transparency. If hunden was that asshole about the coach bug, why they hired him back ?
2021-10-20 14:42
4 replies
At the time Hunden was probably not being an asshole about the coach bug, and you shouldn't forget the perception he did have at the time, both from the players and the community. He was very helpful when the bug was discovered, supporting the ESIC investigations, and thus getting a shorter ban than most other coaches. The problem is that now Hunden IS being an asshole about it and thus the players have been backed in to a corner, which is why they are responding now. Compared to the NIP-Anonymo case, there was a lot less drama focused on Heroic at the time of the coaching bug, so they were probably just hoping it would go away eventually, rather than speaking up. Remember that Hunden said that non of the players knew or helped him with the bug.
2021-10-20 18:21
3 replies
I just don't like how the thing have turned. The video painted Heroic like a victim and Hunden like an asshole, while I'm pretty sure that the truth rest in the between. Heroic was trying to sign a "shut up document" to their players about the coach scandal and the way they act about the leak of information to Astralis is kinda fishy. Hunden is clearly an asshole, but Heroic is not white and clean as they pretend.
2021-10-20 19:58
2 replies
So I just heard the second boost was just in the middle of catwalk on Dust2, so a completely random spot. That does change a lot for me, because in that case I don't see any way Hunden could spin it around it not being about the coaching bug or with Teses not asking any questions at all unless he was really naive. Still sad for Refresh, Sjuush and Niko though. Cadian I'm kind of in the middle about, because he probably should've told, but I don't know whether or not he knew about it the second time. And naturally this means the org is also shit.
2021-10-22 22:18
1 reply
We won't really know the full story, but I'm pretty sure Cadian and others learnt from it. Probably, they get caught the pants down when they got discovered and now, they are trying to minimize it. Hunden and others were really tight, lots of strats meetings and nobody knew about the coach bug, before it occured. I really doubt it, but we won't know it and they won't tell us.
2021-10-23 01:02
they sued hunden
2021-10-19 18:57
1 reply
Not for this.
2021-10-19 19:10
And honestly the better way to control your message is to give your own truth in your format. You control the message from the beginning. After 1 year, heroic's management had time to show their own version. It is to much frame from my taste. I blame the management and cadian, not teses or niko.
2021-10-19 19:02
as someone else already said, it's because they couldn't speak while the investigation was ongoing
2021-10-19 17:36
1 reply
#384 resume what am I thinking about the whole affairs.
2021-10-19 17:47
9 iq
2021-10-19 16:36
cringe
2021-10-19 15:41
#95
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Sweden flippig
0/8
2021-10-19 15:43
#97
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Canada zizzle21
everyone knew but if ur gonna ban them then esic would have to ban whole scene no one wants that simple as that. life isn't fair.
2021-10-19 15:43
6 replies
Kinda true, but it’s so obvious heroic cheated and knew they cheated. Most other teams it was just coach who cheated.
2021-10-19 16:55
5 replies
#347
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Canada zizzle21
idk man i kinda doubt that
2021-10-19 17:05
1 reply
yeah didnt they say it was ok evidence?
2021-10-19 17:37
No.. if your logic is " they mustve known" then apply it to everyteam that had their coach use the bug
2021-10-19 20:22
2 replies
Only problem is we DO know that heroic players knew. They just admitted it in this video.
2021-10-19 20:47
1 reply
Yeah totally hear you. I still stand by my point but I hear you
2021-10-19 21:55
funny is that they came out after ESIC says they did not found evidence.
2021-10-19 15:44
1 reply
why should they before? this is pretty normal irl lol
2021-10-19 16:11
#105
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Finland AliSabid
Bruh
2021-10-19 15:45
So.. they all knew that HUNDEN cheated and used the coach bug. But the situation TeSeS talks about how he was just fooling around boosting HUNDEN during warmup happened after they all knew, right? I find it hard to believe that TeSeS was just fooling around during warmup and that he didn't know that he helped HUNDEN reach the coach bug.
2021-10-19 15:46
6 replies
They explain TeSeS (and b0rup) didn't know at the time of the Spirit game
2021-10-19 15:59
5 replies
they are lying
2021-10-19 16:02
4 replies
Did you not READ the bite-sized article on it
2021-10-19 16:31
Then they are professional actors :D the reaction from cadiaN when he talks about how stavn have been affected is way too real to be acting.
2021-10-19 16:34
2 replies
do u really think they did'nt know
2021-10-19 16:43
1 reply
Yes, I do. They seem innocent to me
2021-10-19 16:54
lmao that's funny
2021-10-19 15:47
So they're saying that cadian and teses DID KNOW? But niko is the only one to be punished? What am I missing?
2021-10-19 15:49
9 replies
Teses didn't know cadian did not approve of it Niko knew of it from the getgo and didn't do squat
2021-10-19 16:28
7 replies
niko has Asperger's (on the autism spectrum); between that and HUNDEN's manipulation, I can personally see how he got roped into being complicit and not seeing how wrong it is.
2021-10-19 16:58
1 reply
My bad men)) did not realizing this piece of information
2021-10-20 16:50
"did not approve" still he kept quiet when he should've reported it to ESIC, how is that different from niko? Maybe niko did not approve of it as well, but he still got punished, as he should, but I don't see how cadian and stavn are different from him. Doesn't matter when they found out, still guilty imo.
2021-10-19 17:01
4 replies
There's a thing called dealing with issues at the lowest possible level. They probably thought that was the right approach in this scenario, turned out wrong but they probably weren't like 'oh no he's breaking the competitive integrity of the game, oh well guess he's his own person.' it's in the article that they approached him and told him to stop. They could have very well just thought 'oh he probably didn't realize it's kind of immoral to do that' and told him to stop, believing him to be a genuinely well-meaning guy (which is exactly what sounds like happened)
2021-10-20 16:49
3 replies
They kept a cheater in the team without even telling anyone that he cheated in a pro match while with them. That's just a wrong thing to do, regardless if they realized it or not, and I am not happy that niko and hunden are the only ones to be punished - at the very least cadian and stavn should be too, preferably the org should be sanctioned as well, but given ESIC record, I guess I should be happy that Heroic at least lost their sponsors.
2021-10-20 17:53
So covering crime is fine?
2021-10-20 20:23
1 reply
That is outright fallacious.
2021-10-21 19:33
Danish snakes will forever be known as cheaters
2021-10-19 16:53
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2021-10-19 15:50
hunden to valorant
2021-10-19 15:50
1 reply
No please, you can keep him. Lets send him to Overwatch xD
2021-10-19 19:09
If Hunden was Green I would TK him.
2021-10-19 15:50
4 replies
Missile alone ramp!
2021-10-19 16:13
2 replies
*click* *SMASH SMASH SMASH*
2021-10-19 16:14
1 reply
Ah yes the sound of a thousand keys flying around. A tense classic.
2021-10-19 16:21
me say alone ramp
2021-10-23 04:05
They are all crying in this video
2021-10-19 15:54
1 reply
Imagine how you would feel getting threats and shit every day because people think Hunden is a cool and nice guy and that the players fucked him over. Imagine the feeling of people coming up to you when you are out with friends and giving you shit for something you have not done. Imagine that is your life for a year and tell me you would not be feeling like shit. You need to learn about empathy.
2021-10-20 14:14
#124
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Australia Aquaaa
Hunden that dog.
2021-10-19 15:54
#125
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Sweden Lagge15
I am so impressed that Prof saw all 34 minutes of video, then wrote this whole article, all in 3-4 minutes! That Seems Intense!
2021-10-19 15:55
2 replies
almost makes you believe they sent it 1-2 hours before to him
2021-10-19 17:03
1 reply
#413
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Sweden Lagge15
it is a joke: twitter.com/Professeur_CS/status/1450453.. it took him about 2 hours to watch it, write the article, mock me on Twitter, and then edit it and upload it. 3 minutes is from when I asked for it until I got it Best delivery system ever
2021-10-19 17:34
@Metaforando come here
2021-10-19 15:55
1 reply
#507
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Brazil bruxo!
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-10-19 19:08
#127
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Lithuania marusgg
:'(((((((( so sad omg
2021-10-19 15:55
#129
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Brazil 5hinobi
PINOCCHIO MATERIAL
2021-10-19 15:56
I’d like to see pro actors give a similar “performance” to these computer nerd kids with barely any time in front of a camera. Anyone who thinks they are lying is delusional.
2021-10-19 15:56
1 reply
+1
2021-10-20 14:19
Heroic guys get all the hate because they are most talked about. I am pretty sure that there are cases where players actually have something to do with this but they do not get any hate because everyone is only talking about heroic guys that most likely are actually innocent. It is kinda like when everyone hated on Jamppi because he maybe cheated at mm as a 13 year old kid. But nobody cared about people like S1mple that actually got banned for cheating when they were already a pro players and adults at the time and in more important games, still there was lot of people with s1mple flair saying that Jamppi deserved the ban forever and once a cheater always a cheater, like wtf? People only cared about Jamppi situation because it was so much on the media, and literally do not care about worse cases at the same topic and only talked about Jamppi who even if he would have been guilty did things that were not as serious, I do not get mindset of the people on the internet.
2021-10-19 16:00
20 replies
They get all the hate because they silenced everything until that moment and still deny everything.
2021-10-19 16:08
8 replies
Because they are not allowed to talk about the topic during the investigation. And how do you know that they are just denying everything and are not actually just innocent. I would be very surprised if they actually had balls to make an video like that if they were actually guilty lol, they would just destroy all their reputation for rest of their careers and be laughed at for years.
2021-10-19 16:11
7 replies
After hunden was ban ? its been 1 year since that.
2021-10-19 16:12
6 replies
So that is the reason to hate them or what?
2021-10-19 16:12
5 replies
They had opportunities to talk in podcast hltv blast prod, launders . They put instead the stuff under the rug . And now, they have realized that it didn't work, even if they are keep winning. It is easy when you control your message instead of dealing it in an interview.
2021-10-19 16:18
4 replies
Because they did not want to say anything to the public before they had evidence that they are innocent? Pretty smart to not start brainless online fight with Hunden for no reason with neither side having any evidence. I think they did the right thing waiting for investigation to end and then talk.
2021-10-19 16:19
3 replies
You are referring about the 2 weeks gap from now. Im talking about the whole situation since the beginning. The situation is getting worse now, but the thing was hiding since that time. They hire back hunden, the ceo tried to bride hunden. I dont trust very much either, but the fact no heroic talked about it until now, something is clearly not legit.
2021-10-19 16:25
2 replies
They literally explained that in the video? ESIC even proved that they are innocent, so how is this not enough? Yeah maybe they could have acted faster/different but there is no reason for giving them hate still.
2021-10-19 16:24
1 reply
Eisc told in hltv confirmed that he has to trust others because he lacks knowledge of the game. On the aussie case, he put everyone on the same basket, game fixers and betters on international events. Niko, teses all naive and hunden the big boss who knows everything. The war on terror in Iraq has the same dichotomy. Civilized vs terrorist.
2021-10-19 16:31
Flag checks out & Jamppi deserved the ban, cry more
2021-10-19 16:32
7 replies
S1mple deserves bigger ban then :)
2021-10-19 16:32
6 replies
Didn't ask
2021-10-19 16:33
5 replies
ok!
2021-10-19 16:33
No one asked you either
2021-10-19 17:31
He did you good
2021-10-19 17:36
2 replies
Name checks out
2021-10-19 18:40
1 reply
S1mple banned for cheating LUL
2021-10-19 20:28
Deluded
2021-10-19 16:35
+1
2021-10-20 14:22
#771
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Denmark utzibushi
Well written Stonkamies, but you are up against haters who just want a reason to hate. And it would happen no matter how Heroic had handled the situation. Haters also keep calling Heroic for onliners with no chance of performing at LAN. But when they do - people will probably just claim it's matchfixing - and that it's obvious, - and you know - whatever story they have to tell themselves to have an excuse for hating. The immature hatefull posts in these forums (pick any subject) is just sad. But it's what happens when parents let their kids go online.
2021-10-20 20:47
Teses you are such a liar lmao.
2021-10-19 15:57
#133
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Japan Dracielia
Fuck sake, how long is this drama gonna go on. Just move on and compete in the major without this bullshit weighing the players heads.
2021-10-19 15:57
i want a podcast with hunden on HLTV
2021-10-19 15:58
2 replies
hunden confirmed
2021-10-19 16:12
Where everyone on the podcast just trashes the shit out of him
2021-10-20 14:23
#135
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Serbia hitomi79
After hearing this dramma queens, I gotta say that Hunden is more honest sleezebag than any of them by a milestone. They all got caught up with hands in a cookie jar and ESIC gave them a wrist-slapper instead of making an example of them ! This web of lies will eventually end up with them being caught. At least, Hunden doesn't lose any sleep cause he knows what kind of mess he made. Sweet dreams, Heroic!
2021-10-19 15:59
#137
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Poland babu_
*Buys cadiaN sticker*
2021-10-19 16:01
To all 3rd world malders: The common community sentiment that “the players must have known” or “how could the players not know?” seems to be emotionally rather than rationally considered opinions that actually carry no weight when carefully examined under the burden of evidence.
2021-10-19 16:03
19 replies
Evidence like testing boost in a server with hunded ?
2021-10-19 16:10
1 reply
TeSeS never knew Hunden ever had used the bug at the time. Why would boosting him in warmup make him suspicious? You don’t fuck around in warmup ever?
2021-10-19 16:24
Muh burden of evidence!!
2021-10-19 16:14
1 reply
Guilty until proven innocent - okay
2021-10-19 16:24
U must be retarded to believe that while sitting in one room they did not know about it XD.
2021-10-19 16:43
14 replies
Calling me retarded when your 2 braincells can't even understand the fact that they were not on LAN, they were individually in their homes.. maybe watch the video?
2021-10-19 16:51
12 replies
That time they were not on lan. Anyway, they admitted to knowing it couple hours after astralis game. How is that being innocent? XD
2021-10-19 16:58
11 replies
Please watch the video
2021-10-19 17:01
2 replies
Its video made by them, cutted, edited and made on purpose. Why would i watch it? Its nice to believe that those lads are innocent, but just put yourself in their shoes. You know you would tell your mates, same as they did. Anyway, they convicted to knowing about Hunden cheating and they never reported it, furthermore, they never sacked hunden. That is obvious that they knew.
2021-10-19 17:11
1 reply
And it's the accusations made by Hunden, cut, edited and made on purpose. He even tricked Niko into admitting things, while recording it without his knowledge. If you're going to have that stance on the Heroic video, you should do the same for Hunden's accusations. But to do that would be too much effort to admit that you might be wrong, so you won't do it.
2021-10-20 11:46
Read the ESIC statement. You clearly haven't properly grasped the facts at hand here
2021-10-19 19:39
7 replies
Facts are they knew and didnt report him so they are in it with him.
2021-10-20 20:25
6 replies
????? No? What the fuck are you even talking about?
2021-10-20 21:17
5 replies
They knew after game Hunden used bug and were silent because they hoped he wont do it again. Scum players.
2021-10-20 21:25
4 replies
The players, bar niko, didn't take the claim seriously and brushed it off. They didn't believe HUNDEN was cheating, and thus did not know
2021-10-20 21:27
3 replies
That funny thing to say. Its like criminal saying they didnt break a law and you believing him.
2021-10-20 22:16
1 reply
Except I'm not a member of law enforcement IRL. Your analogy breaks down in CS:GO, where... I actually know my stuff?
2021-10-21 00:07
They did know after the first instance. They told him not to use the bug again. This is from their own Heroic video lmao Get your facts right
2021-10-21 15:52
What do you mean sitting in one room? They were all at home....
2021-10-20 14:24
they deserve oscar for performance like that lmao...
2021-10-19 16:03
10 replies
TeSeS cry was so forced, CadiaN was decent 😁
2021-10-19 16:05
2 replies
yea it wasnt natural at all...
2021-10-19 16:09
1 reply
Really? You thought it wasn't natural?
2021-10-21 15:53
Imagine how you would feel getting threats and shit every day because people think Hunden is a cool and nice guy and that the players fucked him over. Imagine the feeling of people coming up to you when you are out with friends and giving you shit for something you have not done. Imagine that is your life for a year and tell me you would not be feeling like shit. You need to learn about empathy.
2021-10-20 14:26
6 replies
buddy im 34 years old and i went through a lot of tough periods in my life, thrust me...also i dont think that hunden is nice guy and players screwed him but this? do you rly think that i will believe in video like that where adult people are crying and it doesnt even look natural at all? this video is completely forced AF. i could understand normal video where they would explain things or something like that but THIS?
2021-10-20 14:30
5 replies
I dont trust that you've gone through anything tough in your life or ever seen people cry or being emotional if you think this video is forced. Stavn and TeSeS are 19 and 20 years old, tell me how you would feel if you got threats and shit EVERY day for an entire year. You obviously dont have a shred of empathy so I kind of understand you though.
2021-10-20 14:48
4 replies
you know nothing about me...so whatever floats your boat
2021-10-20 14:51
3 replies
You obviously cant even tell that a 19 year old kid with 0 acting skills is crying for real. I dont need to know anything more about you that just shows me how little you've actually gone through. I've met alot of people that have gone through real shit so I know what people are like when they have been broken down.
2021-10-20 15:08
2 replies
"with 0 acting skills" exactly...0 acting skills yea bcs all people are the same and they only cry about every tough situation right? there arent people that can actualy handle them and solve/face them as a man... ok enough. i have no reason to read another nonsense about me from someone who doesnt even know me so have a nice day. bye
2021-10-20 15:14
1 reply
Yes they were genuinely crying, that is what people can look like when they cry. People dont all cry in the same way and bringing up things that are tough can make you emotional and cry again and again. Not crying is not the same thing as being a man, what a fucking idiot... If you werent such a fucking idiot you could try thinking from their perspective. If you are 34 years old you must be living in your parents basement still, sheltered from the world by dear old mommy. Go suck on her titty some more.
2021-10-20 15:22
lol propaganda nobody is fooled by this everybody knows they cheated
2021-10-19 16:03
TeSeS is indicted
2021-10-19 16:04
So hunden is boosted by teses and then what? if its some complex method I can't see how teses wouldn't know . Anyone know how the bug actually worked?
2021-10-19 16:06
1 reply
Hunden was probably just boosted on some ordinary boxes or some shit like that. Sometimes it was random when it happened but there were probably specific places where the bug would get activated every time. I read somewhere that you could activate the bug by joining as a CT or T and then in some positions rejoin as a coach or spectator or whatever it is and you would stay in that spot. But alot of teams never encountered it at all.
2021-10-20 15:16
tbh my problem with heroic is how they were nonamers before hunden and only started playing good cs on online era, makes my analytical mind think they abused the bug way more than only 22 rounds, i mean, look at their results with hunden and without him, nowadays they struggle vs teams like liquid when in the past (with hunden) they would win finals vs vitality and gambit. now they release a video with their players crying, it's disgusting
2021-10-19 16:05
9 replies
Fuck are you talking about? A dude literally went through hours and hours of footage for every game for every team. One player can make that difference, thinkg Navi is even at a major without simple?
2021-10-19 16:08
1 reply
still a big coincidence, imo esic is overlooking something. heroic is a team that screams "we are doing something wrong lole!!"
2021-10-19 16:15
That’s just unreasonable… you know it is normal for teams to be inconsistent results wise…
2021-10-19 16:19
5 replies
and the odds of they suddenly start losing without hunden abusing the bug is not reasonable at all? i mean, from #1 to #5, they are going downhill
2021-10-19 16:21
4 replies
Almost like they lost their coach and then started doing with massive psychological stress. You make me embarrassed to be a liquid fan
2021-10-19 20:31
3 replies
between "psychological stress" and "they were just cheating with hunden", i pick the later stop defending cheaters.
2021-10-19 20:59
1 reply
LOL what I said isn't defending cheating. It's a huge reason for why performances would drop. If you don't don't that performance would be worse just from loosing a coach let alone the whole sending strats situation and the cheating accusations then idk what to say say to you
2021-10-19 21:57
Qrii obviously doenst have any type of empathy. Its hard to understand people's ups and downs if you cant put yourself in others situations.
2021-10-20 14:29
Your statement is also just factually wrong. They played ESL Pro League in the summer without Hunden and the only team they lost to in that tournament was Na'Vi, while beating Astralis, ENCE, Vitality and Liquid. Not to mention the Na'Vi game was extremely close (16-14, 13-16, 16-14), while Na'Vi is literally the best team in the world right now. So no, it's not just because of the bug.
2021-10-20 11:52
omg big
2021-10-19 16:05
there is a typo "EISC clearing their name"
2021-10-19 16:06
#170
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Denmark Kon10R
Okay. So now that's out of the way, the bug was fixed ... Let's get on with it, shall we?
2021-10-19 16:08
All this time and their response is they didn't cheat super hard just little bits of info.
2021-10-19 16:13
They waited to see how much the investigation would reveal before talking- That’s what I got from this lol
2021-10-19 16:14
7 replies
How often do you see the accused do their story before a case has finished? Sometimes the things you say can be used against you, even when you are innocent. This is why a lawyer will not allow you to talk to the press for example.
2021-10-19 16:17
4 replies
but you can open the investigation if you want. At least here. And this video is literally a commitment. Can be used again to ban the players. I Hope Valve sees this and kick them from major. But I doubt it.
2021-10-19 17:30
2 replies
Why the fuck would Valve use this video to kick them from the major? They have obviously told ESIC and Valve this before... This video is to tell the PUBLIC about their side of the situation... My god people are fucking braindead...
2021-10-20 14:31
1 reply
You didn't watch the video? They knew after Astralis match hunden used the bug. But they didn't tell anyone. The whole fucking year player said they "didn't know it". Even the whole ESIC investigation was "we didn't know". So they became accomplish of Hunden wrong behaviour. Only correct action would be go to tournament organizer and tell admins hunden used the bug and tell them "during the game we had no clue he used it". Then it is all fine. But they did nothing. Other players got for much less harmful a lifetime ban. I think they deserve the same ban time as coaches who "used" the bug by 1 round and didn't tell the admins about it. This mins 6 month ban including this major ban. Heroic players lied and lied over and over again and in this video, they admit they knew. So they had supported Hunden cuz they didn't tell anyone. And heroic players in the video saying like Hunden hat manipulated them. Maybe that goes for Niko but Cadian as a 26-year ord player (ar how old)... Had should know there is only one correct option to clear their names. After these videos here I am more convinced to call them cheaters even they didn't cheat personal. But they helped a cheater and that's enough for a ban.
2021-10-20 15:52
#488
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Finland Nollegee
+1
2021-10-19 18:33
You are not allowed to talk about it during investigations...
2021-10-20 14:32
1 reply
I actually know this. Even though I’m just kidding there probably is more to the story that hasn’t been found out. And if they had found out more then the statement here would look different lol
2021-10-20 19:28
lmao its ovbious they knew, so they get info from hunden and they dont ask how he does it? or they choose to play stupid and think hes just a fortune teller?
2021-10-19 16:16
1 reply
You clearly didn't even watch the video. Also your country bombs children and puts people in camps
2021-10-19 20:32
cadiaN has confirmed in this very video that they ALL KNEW ABOUT IT LOOOOL
2021-10-19 16:16
15 replies
You think he is saying anything else than he told ESIC? Clearly he was upfront with the investigation, and ESIC cleared him so shut up, they've humbled themselves to the community. You people are clowns.
2021-10-19 16:18
5 replies
you will have to try way harder than this :D
2021-10-19 16:23
3 replies
to convince a moron like you? yeah, I know it, have a nice day
2021-10-19 16:29
2 replies
cry more and enjoy the ban for your stupid behaviour
2021-10-19 16:39
1 reply
Lol when the idiot calls other people stupid it's always funny
2021-10-19 20:33
I hope heroic see this bro
2021-10-19 16:39
I am pretty sure heroic would lead a lot of other teams if heroic would get banned, so scene would lost sponsors and go poor
2021-10-19 20:29
1 reply
there is a lot behind it ;)
2021-10-19 21:42
If that is your takeaway from the video then I'm sorry to say that your brain must've been seriously damaged when you got dropped on your head as a kid
2021-10-20 14:34
3 replies
if this is how far you can think then I'm sorry to say that your brain must've been seriously damaged when you got dropped on your head as a kid
2021-10-20 16:03
2 replies
expected answer from someone with low iq
2021-10-21 20:18
1 reply
expected answer from someone with low iq
2021-10-21 20:48
Not all of them only three of them. They didn't tell the other two players.
2021-10-21 15:53
2 replies
CoolStoryBob
2021-10-21 16:05
1 reply
Lol
2021-10-21 16:24
#218
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Indonesia draizze
It's actually only their side of story, their version. There's actually no hard proof presented to clear them either. I hate that people judge this case emotionally without realizing that they're being driven.
2021-10-19 16:18
8 replies
And you also have Hunden's side as well? What are you on. Esic cleared them who gives a fuck what you think mate.
2021-10-19 16:22
2 replies
#253
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Indonesia draizze
Honestly I think esic only taking the middle ground not taking full action because the huge implications to the scene. And your reply mean you give a fuck to what I think.
2021-10-19 16:30
1 reply
ESIC would ban them with no second thought if there were any evidence to back up what Hunden accused them of. They dont care 2 shits about the impact it would have on the scene.
2021-10-20 14:36
Their proof literally was investigation made by ESIC saying that they are innocent, I mean imo that is pretty damn good proof?
2021-10-19 16:22
4 replies
Proof xd. You cannot even imagine amount of money they would lose. All the kids talk about proofs XD how old are you, money rule the world, not truth.
2021-10-19 16:49
3 replies
And what about this would cost so much money? lol Many things are about money but wtf is your point about money in this case? You are trying to be woke or something but in reality you are just stupid lmao.
2021-10-19 17:04
2 replies
#365
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Poland Hellp3r
You'll get it at economy, in 5 years probably. Ill give You a hint: What would sponsors do if they would announce that everyone could use it last 3 years? What would community do? Its obvious that its better to not tell the truth to everyone. But yea, it has nothing to do with it.
2021-10-19 17:15
1 reply
But everyone already could have used it for last 3 years and it is known fact and sponsors or community did not do anything too interesting.
2021-10-19 17:59
Pls watch us lying and crying on yt so we'll get some money for that since we have no sponsors (c) Cheatroic, sponsor of ESIC
2021-10-19 16:21
28 replies
Lulexandro iq
2021-10-19 20:23
4 replies
Still mad medkit? Awwww what a poor thing😟😟
2021-10-19 20:25
3 replies
Salty ragequit casual edgy 13 yo ua kid crying because mom doesnt allow him play PC more than 30 mins a day KEKWait
2021-10-19 20:27
2 replies
Awww poor medkit still crying So cute🙂
2021-10-19 20:30
1 reply
hello mens)))
2021-10-19 20:34
grow up kid, let your balls drop and get an education.
2021-10-20 14:37
16 replies
Aight abdul.
2021-10-20 16:01
15 replies
proving my point every time you post.
2021-10-21 20:19
14 replies
Still crying?
2021-10-21 20:36
13 replies
still proving my point?
2021-10-21 20:36
12 replies
Which one?
2021-10-21 20:37
11 replies
hahaha xD it is all in one
2021-10-21 20:38
10 replies
Can't even answer, damn. Why so mad?
2021-10-21 20:39
9 replies
I answered, not my fault you dont have any reading comprehension
2021-10-21 20:40
8 replies
You didn't but whatever. Keep crying.
2021-10-21 20:41
7 replies
You really need to finish elementary school.. crying? You're probably hearing your mom crying because she raised a retard and you're trying to deflect it on me.
2021-10-21 20:45
6 replies
As i said, keep crying Ahmed, i won't even read that bs. You're just mad as fuck, that's all. Idk why, probably because you're dumb or something and you simply can't deal with it... Stay strong my child. You'll get through this.
2021-10-21 20:52
5 replies
Who the fuck is Ahmed? Hahaha dude from the country of retards calling me dumb, that is hillarious.
2021-10-23 03:49
4 replies
Keep crying swedistan
2021-10-23 08:43
3 replies
ruski tears are so sweet
2021-10-25 07:19
2 replies
Still crying Ahmed? =(
2021-10-25 08:11
1 reply
all day, every day.
2021-10-26 11:05
This aged... Badly
2021-10-21 16:20
5 replies
Flair checks out
2021-10-21 18:52
3 replies
You're in denial lmao
2021-10-21 20:18
2 replies
Denial of what? Cadian literally said in HLTV Confirmed they knew about hunden using coach bug and didn't say a shit after that lmao Calm down please. I know it's hard to accept that your lovely team is just a bunch of lying scums but c'mon, grow up.
2021-10-21 20:37
1 reply
You: Pls watch us lying and crying on yt so we'll get some money for that since we have no sponsors (c) Cheatroic, sponsor of ESIC Me: This aged badly [because Heroic just got a Red Bull sponsorship] You: Flair checks out That's not an argument bro
2021-10-22 01:44
+1
2021-10-21 20:18
Ban them all
2021-10-19 16:22
#247
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Netherlands tblgk
nt god dog HUNDEN
2021-10-19 16:28
Damn, people are idiots here. ESIC made their decision, why the f would ESIC protect cheaters if they cheated? What would happen to ESIC if that backfired? Use your brains rather than your feelings towards Heroic and their players.
2021-10-19 16:28
14 replies
They are so emotionally involved and don't want to admit being wrong that Hunden managed to get what he said he wanted: "a shit storm for Heroic" It's astonishing. You see people claim they used the bug in more rounds, when the entire footage has been through. You see people ask questions like "but are refrezh and sjuush involved?". Hunden made Heroic the epicenter of the coach bug coverage in the media and have made the hate even more unwarranted. This is the internet and the more extreme views are shared and those extreme views are picked up by others without asking the important questions. It's a mass psychosis.
2021-10-19 16:36
1 reply
True that. +1
2021-10-19 16:52
They got away with it because they deleted teamspeak recording. Every team records their own teamspeak, I’m pretty sure it’s a rule. That alone should have them banned.
2021-10-19 16:52
10 replies
But they have listned to Cadians own recording? So wheter the teamspeak thing is a rule or not isnt important. And like Cadian said, it was in the beginning of the pandemic so they didnt think about recording teamspeak.
2021-10-19 16:54
9 replies
Article literally says team comms aren’t in cadian recording Every team has been recording teamspeak for over 5 years now to playback and fine tune comms. You don’t think it’s fishy that they mysteriously don’t have the recording? It’s so obvious they deleted it and that’s how they got away with cheating in a Tier 1 match.
2021-10-19 16:58
8 replies
I know team comms arent in the recording, but you dont think cadian would have said anything sus under the whole game that would hint that the team maybe cheated? Seems like it would. And why wouldnt Cadian just delete his point of view? Like he knew he was goping to be investigated and thought "Hey, if i dont say anything sus under these matches, maybe i can use this recording in a year to prove i wasnt cheating"
2021-10-19 17:01
7 replies
Why would cadian say something fishy when the coach is no clipping and telling them which site to hit? We know cadian and others know it was happening and continued to let it happen. They also clearly tampered with evidence by deleting teamspeak. They should be perma banned from competition but they clearly paid off ESIC
2021-10-19 17:07
6 replies
"we know cadian and others know it was happening and continued to let it happen" They only got the info after the game against the Astralis and took a stand against the cheating Hunden was doing. They didnt know Hunden then continued to cheat.
2021-10-19 17:28
5 replies
You really believe that? Open your eyes
2021-10-19 17:30
4 replies
Yes i do. Not beacuse Heroic or the players, dont care about that team. More like i am not in to this conspiracu shit that somehow ESIC wants to protect them? You really think that Heroic and the owners has that much money to bribe the ESIC and the investigation? Had to be a big bag of money in that case. Even the lawyers had to been bribed. And they have a huge reputation on the line and their integrity as lawyers. I just dont believe it.
2021-10-19 17:34
2 replies
This #406 guy is spewing his conspiracy all over the forum it's insane- he's lost in the sauce. I also believe the story Heroic tells, and like you, it's not because I love Heroic or any of their players in particular. It just makes sense.
2021-10-19 18:13
1 reply
I figured. They are often so far up their own asses with hatred. These people are often the ones who only read a headline and draw a conclusion from that alone.
2021-10-19 18:14
Are you a flat earther aswell? You believe in Big foot? You think global warming is a hoax? You think the covid vaccine is full of Bill Gates microchips?
2021-10-20 14:40
+1
2021-10-20 14:37
2020 was an embarrassing year. So much cheating. Teams, individuals, tournament organizers. EU / CIS almost brought CS to an end with all their bullshit. After the 2019 ESL\ESC bullshit destroying quality CS, to have EU just cheat it up all 2020 was too much. ESL looks a lot like a scam.
2021-10-19 16:30
I love when hltv cries, it's actually funny lol
2021-10-19 16:32
Heroic they are the big snakes
2021-10-19 16:34
Even if you cheated let alone knew about Hundends wrongdoings ... would you ever admit that ? Who cares what you say. Come on now, we are not idiots
2021-10-19 16:35
STOP HATING THEY ARE CRYING SHAME PEOPLE SHAME
2021-10-19 16:38
1 reply
I can cry on cue too
2021-10-19 16:39
No amount of evidence would change the opinion of this forum. I hope the Heroic players don't read the toxic comments above..
2021-10-19 16:40
4 replies
They LITERALLY ADMITTED to cheating in the article and basically explained how they got away with it by deleting the teamspeak recording. Open your nationalist eyes and realize these guys just got away with cheating against Astralis. Disgusting team
2021-10-19 16:50
3 replies
- They didn't admit to cheating, they however admitted that they didn't contact an admin after they found out that Hunden cheated. - They didn't delete any Teamspeak recording. They didn't make one. I don't see any evidence that prove that they are guilty in any way, and until I do, I will regard them as innocent. Did you even watch they Youtube?
2021-10-19 17:14
2 replies
he/she most likely didn't .. Cuz it was very clear in their communication, how the whole teamspeak scenario played out.
2021-10-19 17:55
#306 clearly hasn't watched the video
2021-10-19 18:06
Nice try, Heroic. Screw you
2021-10-19 16:41
So incinsere
2021-10-19 16:49
all this story is fishy cause all the proufs if they cheated or not have been deleted. also they played a lot better at that time making it even more fishy.. i remember cadian calling zywooo a cheater and accusing him on how he could know things.. he for sure knew about this bug way before all the drama
2021-10-19 16:59
1 reply
Cheating snakes will always be cheating snakes. It’s a disgrace cadian is still allowed to compete.
2021-10-19 17:00
#309
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United Kingdom chexsum
paid actors
2021-10-19 16:52
#315
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Germany Chrisers
Cant believe how stupid people are about this.. XD Like Cadian said Hunden went to the Media instead of ESIC told 4-5 different storys and people still believe Hunden tells the truth like come on get your shit together kids
2021-10-19 16:54
#317
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Turkey sedo7
still cheaters
2021-10-19 16:55
The amount of brainlets in this community is truly incredible Didn't read the article Didn't watch the video Zero critical thinking skills Laughable standards for acceptable evidence Conspiracy theory factory Keep up the good work
2021-10-19 16:56
3 replies
flair checks out, did you cry with him aswell?
2021-10-19 16:57
Why so many Canadian danish CS fans. You guys fans of cheaters up there? Or you a fakeflagging Dane?
2021-10-19 16:58
+1
2021-10-19 20:42
Sooo cadian and stavn DID know and now admitted it, even admitting to ignoring it and "expecting" Hunden not to use the bug again.
2021-10-19 17:01
10 replies
Is that not perma ban worthy alone? Like ibp got perma banned for throwing a meaningless match and making $10k yet these Danes get to openly admit to CHEATING vs astralis and ESIC drops investigation because they simply deleted the teamspeak recording?
2021-10-19 17:03
9 replies
you're either: a - heroic sticker investor b - trolling c - actually capable at producing this amount of salt
2021-10-19 17:10
4 replies
No, I’m just someone who cares about the integrity of professional CSGO and don’t like to see blatant cheaters allowed to compete.
2021-10-19 17:12
3 replies
you should better sell your heroic RMR (gold) stickers then, you're in a sinking ship, cash out before it's too late... hopefully this will be a lesson for you!
2021-10-19 17:13
2 replies
lol why do you think I have stickers of the disgusting cheating team I’ve been railing against the past 15 mins
2021-10-19 17:17
1 reply
just sell them dude too late man
2021-10-19 17:19
This is fucking bullshit. This should get them banned. I hope people stop supporting Heroic.
2021-10-19 17:14
3 replies
Yes I think at the very least there should be a penalty for not having teamspeak recording. That sets a dangerous precedent for the future.
2021-10-19 17:18
2 replies
You have the issue in politics as well. Delete data then you get maybe punishment for deleting it but not for the real charge. Easy solution: if you don't deliver requested und demanded data. Then you are automatically punished for the crime that should be solved with the evidence. I can assume you 99% of the cases will not have deleted evidence.
2021-10-19 17:24
1 reply
That would surely solve the issue. How are there no rules for this? I played competitive TF2 and if you didn’t provide STV (GOTV) demo and scoreboard screenshot your match counted as a loss regardless. With the massive esport that CSGO is recording voice comms should absolutely be mandatory.
2021-10-19 17:29
who cars
2021-10-19 17:02
Nice to have an end to this. I havent been part of it in any way but im sick of seing it. GL to heroic!
2021-10-19 17:03
GOOD JOB HUNDEN! MADE KIDS CRY! I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY NOW!
2021-10-19 17:03
The dog is right
2021-10-19 17:04
tldr?????
2021-10-19 17:05
4 replies
Heroic players got away with cheating and admitting to it and tampering with evidence (deleting teamspeak recording) Disgusting double standard by valve who perma banned a bunch of little kids for throwing a meaningless match for $10k
2021-10-19 17:09
1 reply
+1
2021-10-19 17:39
The Heroic boys bared their soul about the amount of pressure they have been going through in relation to the cheating incident, admitting that they vaguely knew about the bug, but that Hunden was being shady about it and manipulating niko to be his pawn and enable the situation (previous article: niko has mental health disorders, which can legitimately lead him to overly trusting a figure like Hunden). Personal take: They are not 100% clean, but they do not deserve the hate either. Thing clearly happened very fast and they trusted a legend of the game in what he was doing and ended up getting fucked.
2021-10-19 17:17
markfenrir made a very good tldr. Don't listen to onceuponacringe... I think he is trolling
2021-10-19 17:22
It takes courage to put out a video like this, breaking the tough player persona. In any situation, Hunden was the adult in the room, he was the one with a legendary status in the game, and he was the one who SHOULD KNOW BETTER.
2021-10-19 17:13
daaaaamn
2021-10-19 17:14
that was quite the thing to watch!
2021-10-19 17:18
2 replies
kkkkkkkkk 🐂🐂🐂🐂🐂🐂
2021-10-21 04:58
1 reply
did you watch the premier?
2021-10-21 17:21
esic doesnt work
2021-10-19 17:19
HUNDEN is cheater and confident /close
2021-10-19 17:19
I have 0 trust to heroic esic and valve. This just confirms that cheating is allowed in csgo atleast if you are big org.
2021-10-19 17:19
5 replies
Yep, complete lack of consistency by valve for being heavy handed in the past for less but letting heroic off with this. ESIC is clearly incompetent and possibly compromised. No punishment for them not having teamspeak recording? Every team records teamspeak in matches, they clearly deleted it. heroic continues to support these openly admitting cheaters and trying to mislead the public into thinking the cheating was justified. Bad all around and the integrity of professional counter strike has been compromised by withholding punishment for this.
2021-10-19 17:24
2 replies
Yep ibp throw 1 meaningless match while heroic cheated and win cologne etc...
2021-10-19 17:27
Competitive integrity died with this case.
2021-10-20 20:32
+1
2021-10-19 17:50
+1
2021-10-20 09:24
Clowns
2021-10-19 17:21
#386
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Ukraine McSwell
Getting more and more convinced they all were involved in cheating.
2021-10-19 17:23
#392
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Japan Feruna
cheaters
2021-10-19 17:25
Would have believed them but then they started crying.
2021-10-19 17:32
4 replies
#400
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Ukraine ksay
men shouldn't be allowed to cry literally cringe
2021-10-19 17:30
2 replies
not on a planned video, it's not an interview but a formal communication They're blatantly using the emotion to appeal to the audience. That's a choice from the Heroic staff to leave this part and not shoot it again I'm not saying they cheated
2021-10-19 21:24
1 reply
#633
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Ukraine ksay
the whole purpose of the video is to clear up their image so i don't see a problem with using emotions unless it's staged/fake i personally don't believe that it was a manipulation from players. i doubt these kids are so emotionally intelligent and from the org's perspective it would've been stupid to cut those segments also my initial comment was ironic (: sry
2021-10-20 00:22
LMAO
2021-10-19 17:32
hltv.org/stats/teams/7175/heroic?startDa.. expect more of this for these cheaters.
2021-10-19 17:28
1 reply
Well at least we know they have no chance of winning the major!
2021-10-19 17:33
All should get ban
2021-10-19 17:29
keep crying heroic. trash. belong in the gutter with their coach
2021-10-19 17:34
Yeah right.. ban these cheaters already
2021-10-19 17:38
1 reply
+1
2021-10-19 17:49
#422
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Ukraine ksay
this vid made hunden look so bad so bad that it made heroic's side borderline not believable but oh well maybe i was wrong about him anyway if heroic players are clean then i wish them strong mentality and gl
2021-10-19 17:42
1 reply
exactly what im thinking. i think no one is telling the truth, neither hunden or the players. i think truth will be somwhere between both of them
2021-10-19 17:52
Trash org
2021-10-19 17:42
Please, rebrand to Heroic Ladies )
2021-10-19 17:47
CHEATERS!!!! THEY DESERVED THE BAN TOO
2021-10-19 17:48
2 replies
#817
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Brazil yDoFFer
gaules/godsent fan, 0qi
2021-10-21 20:58
1 reply
nice argument for such a higher qi men
2021-10-23 09:36
yeah right, you were in a dark place and regret your actions eh? say that again when you're all banned clowns
2021-10-19 17:51
8 replies
ironic coming from Gambit bug abusing team no. 1#
2021-10-19 17:52
7 replies
seethe clown
2021-10-19 17:53
6 replies
Gambitch players being really quiet throughout this entire case. They even allowed scumbag F_1N working as their analyst during his entire ban period hahahah. Gonna be fun seeing him at the major...oh wait he's banned for the next 4 majors
2021-10-19 17:53
5 replies
you're garbage shutup
2021-10-19 17:55
4 replies
hahaha can't handle the truth. Pussy gambitch, can't even beat CPH flames when they're not bug abusing
2021-10-19 17:56
3 replies
seethe, loser
2021-10-19 17:57
2 replies
only one mad here is you crying cuck
2021-10-19 17:57
1 reply
shutup ur team is bad
2021-10-19 17:57
"He had played the game professionally for 10-11 years and never cheated," --Said the cheaters "We trusted he would do that [not use the bug again], so that is also why it was not communicated to b0rup and TeSeS, which looking back we should've, we should've had a team meeting and said: 'what the f*ck is going on here?'." --Said the cheaters "I didn't know he was in the bug during the game," --said the cheaters. Didnt hear your pathetic excuses lol. Rats are rats.
2021-10-19 17:53
1 reply
+1 those idiots should have been banned permanently but valve has no balls and they don’t care about csgo anyway
2021-10-19 18:48
Yeah we didn't know, we were surprised. Some 6yo kid excuses
2021-10-19 17:53
#446
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Brazil victorhsl
I wonder what the players will still have to do at this point to clear their names considering the amount of stupid comments here. Why is it harder to believe that a team didn't cheat in a game they even didn't win, than otherwise? Why people choose to believe in a word of a person who not only was actually proven to cheat but also was dishonest enough to share strats to a rival a few months later? Makes no sense to me, seriously. I have nothing but the respect for the players, especially niko, who's real punishment after all this will be the public exposure of his mental conditions.
2021-10-19 17:54
17 replies
I'm glad HUNDEN ended up coming out worse in this situation. I feel so bad for niko having his mental conditions put in the limelight (though it was an important aspect of the case). Always such a bubbly guy and I hope he's not getting any harassments following this. I have no remorse for someone that manipulates somebody with such mental conditions.
2021-10-19 17:58
Bug only works on one side If you stuck on T spawn its completely useless when you play T side Even if you abused bug on 1 side and win 13-2 you still can lose without bug on other side Hard Legion cheated vs NaVi and barely won in overtime
2021-10-19 18:02
it isn't about "belief". First of all, ESIC didn't prove innocent. They didn't prove the guilt that is sth different. Second. Win or didn't win who cars? The point is when they knew Hunden used the bug, then go to the tournament organizer and speak to them. If you don't do that you are a cheater as well cuz you support or at least try to hide their action. This is no emergency lie we all do from time to time. This is absolut the basic of any esports: Integrity and when you as a team can't handle it you are on the wrong place.
2021-10-19 18:12
13 replies
#550
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Brazil victorhsl
They're innocent until proven guilt, and in this case they weren't proven guilt, that's not a "belief" or an opinion, that's a fact. If you don't accept the outcome you're the one making about "your beliefs".
2021-10-19 20:46
11 replies
innocent until proven, doesn't mean they are innocent. And they are guilty to hide it. That is enough for a ban.
2021-10-19 20:48
7 replies
#553
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Brazil victorhsl
Who's gonna ban anyone on anything without enough concrete evidence to support the decision? Can't you see the contradiction on what you're saying?
2021-10-19 20:51
6 replies
They admitted in the video they knew it after the Astralis game and they did nothing for the integrity of the game. So what Evidence do you need?? Many coaches got a ban for 1 round because they didn't talk to the admins about the bug. So if ESIC do their work correct they have to give the players the same ban time as these coaches. All other is not a fair process about the whole situation.
2021-10-19 20:55
5 replies
#558
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Brazil victorhsl
Being aware of a "mistake" made by their coach doesn't make them cheaters, it shows at the very least the awareness about the shitstorm coming their way if that went public, and cadian said EXACTLY that not telling anyone at the time they knew about it was a mistake, and that's because they trusted HUNDEN to not do it again, which considering the amount of respect that he had on the team before that happened, is perfectly understandable. Any other version of this story sounds delusional to me, honestly.
2021-10-19 21:03
4 replies
Be aware make you responsible for further actions. And ESIC argument for 1 round coach bug bans was, that these coaches didn't take the responsibility and talk to the tournament admins about it. So they harmed the integrity of the game. Or do you believe every coach with 1 round is a cheater?? So when the players knew that Hunden did it, then they have to talk to the tournament admins. otherwise, they harmed the integrity of the game. That is logical and consequence argument. That these players deserve the same ban time as this 1 round coach bugs...
2021-10-19 21:04
3 replies
#701
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Brazil victorhsl
It's not up to the players to take any action over HUNDEN's wrong doing, and, again, considering the amount of respect that he had at the time it was reasonable for the players to try to handle the situation as a team, especially because they didn't know about that during any game that HUNDEN used the bug (with the exception of niko) and the outcome of the games and tournaments weren't affected for it. ESIC understood that, and that's why they decided not to punish the players, and even in niko's case, they considered the fact that he was the most vulnerable player in the group for HUNDEN to use. That's why I don't get it why people crave so much for a harsher punishment to the players, nobody would gain anything with that except HUNDEN, the ESIC made an empathetic decision, based on the data they have, that's it.
2021-10-20 13:47
2 replies
Your first sentence is absolutely wrong. When they knew Hunden used the bug they are responsible for what happened next. They did nothing. So they became accomplices of this wrongdoing. Cuz their duty was to talk to the tournament admins that hunden used the bug. They didn't do it. They tried to hide it. And I will not repeat myself again if you aren't able to think logical. And ESIC decision is wrong. They have to treat all "parties" equal. But they don't do it by not banning these heroic players. Bye
2021-10-20 14:23
1 reply
#733
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Brazil victorhsl
This is logical, the outcome was thoroughly explained and based not only on facts but also with consideration for the whole context of the events and people envolved. If you don't accept that, as I repeat myself for the last time as well, that's just your opinion. I enjoyed the argument though, bye.
2021-10-20 15:16
#581
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Sweden suriel666
> and in this case they weren't proven guilt they were proven though .. point 14.18 says "there is [TeamSpeak] evidence that after the first game vs Astralis, 3 players knew about Hunden using the bug" ... and then TeSeS boosted him for when he used it a second time vs Spirit lmao TeSeS saying in the video "it's totally normal to boost each other blabla" .. yeah, when you're praccing for sure, but not 20 min before the actual game starts. If it's that normal, how often did he have to boost the coach before that? every game?
2021-10-19 22:03
2 replies
#694
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Brazil victorhsl
Why would you question the reason for a request to boost your coach before the game starts, regardless the situation, especially if you are one of the players who didn't know that your coach had used the bug before? cadian, stavn and niko were aware of that HUNDEN used the bug, TeSeS and borup weren't.
2021-10-20 13:00
1 reply
#783
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Sweden suriel666
imagine thinking a team of 5 people, friends, is not telling each other infos about things like fucking CHEATING. how naive do you have to be to think TeSeS had no idea? and surely boosting your coach 20 minutes before the is very normal, as it happens every game, right? there is practice for practicing boosts, you don't change strats/boost spots that shortly before a game. it was also not a spot which could be used as a gimmick, it was literally in the middle of the map
2021-10-21 13:54
#580
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Sweden suriel666
+1 GOAT_OR_NO_GOAT with the most reasonable takes on this often brain dead site
2021-10-19 22:01
+1
2021-10-19 18:36
LOL yeah right....
2021-10-19 18:09
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
2021-10-19 18:12
1 reply
nice to know
2021-10-19 20:08
So many trolls in this thread.
2021-10-19 18:19
zonic bout to get BANK signing a new contract with Astralis
2021-10-19 18:28
nt cadian you are a bunch of cheaters
2021-10-19 18:54
#504
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Ireland reyno0o
Gained a lot of respect for them. I also believe them. HUNDEN who has been proven to have lied and cheated, cannot have his side of the story believed.
2021-10-19 18:59
after watching this vid - i feel for the guys on Heroic, i believe them and their story. nice to finally hear their side of the story. gl at the major Heroic
2021-10-19 19:13
Rats admit you cheated too
2021-10-19 19:15
I smell a lot of BS coming from this statement
2021-10-19 19:16
#515
saffee | 
Brazil wAc
Can't believe a single word
2021-10-19 19:19
7 replies
and you trust every word of hunden? lmao nice judgement.
2021-10-19 19:54
6 replies
#594
saffee | 
Brazil wAc
No, i think both coachs and players knew the bug was being used, and in more matches than announced, to believe only the coachs knew is being too much innocent
2021-10-19 22:35
5 replies
did u watch the video? does it seem like acting to you? you're calling them liars.
2021-10-19 23:37
4 replies
just because they sit on a couch for 30 mins denying it doesnt make them innocent... these 3 spineless morons knew about it and used the bug. The Heroic team have been plotting their sob stories for months now to try and save their org future in CS and its worked for people like you.
2021-10-20 00:52
3 replies
you clearly haven't watched the video if you dumb it down to them sitting on a couch for 30 mins.
2021-10-20 01:21
2 replies
30 mins of them trying to save face... 101 from an org thats already in the garbage
2021-10-20 09:49
1 reply
yeah, you didn't watch it.
2021-10-20 15:52
Cadian, you did play it differently because of it you silly cheating mong
2021-10-19 19:31
so we are supposed to believe Hunden just decided to cheat for his own personal interest without sharing it with the team, lol ok.
2021-10-19 20:18
#531
rain | 
Norway apx-
Cringe
2021-10-19 20:21
These comments bro lmao, just based off of the kind of guy Cadian is I believe him, this dude has morals and wouldn’t willingly cheat. Although part of me feels like it’s convenient that Niko and Hunden are the only ones to blame in their story, maybe this played a part in niko getting kicked because the rest of the guys didn’t want someone who would cheat behind their backs like that. I mean seriously what do you do if your Cadian and Stavn and niko and Hunden just casually bring up that they cheated?? It’s a weird situation to be put in and I think most people would do the same and try to say “no more of this shit” and trust your team would move on…
2021-10-19 20:23
2 replies
+1
2021-10-19 23:30
If it is my job and my career depends on it. I would confess immediately when I heard my coach cheated. And any guy with a sense of what is absolutely wrong or not had done the same. Cheating is one of maybe 2 things in csgo that will community, valve not forgive.
2021-10-20 16:05
#536
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Canada ducksick
Respect to Cadian for leadership in this situation
2021-10-19 20:25
2 replies
respect?? When he did his job good nothing of this happened. As a leader he should have to go to Tournament Organizer I guess it was ESL for the Astralis match and told them that hunden cheated. Then he deserves respect. But this now is only a bullshit bingo show. And to let them cry they hurt probably 2 small bunnies in front of them.
2021-10-20 16:03
1 reply
#762
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Canada ducksick
Sounds like you don't understand legalities or code of conduct As Cadian was not an arbiter of the situation, who is not at fault or responsible, he has no recourse to justify the situation in the moment. If you see someone murdered, you don't proclaim your innocence or attempt to rectify the situation, you leave that responsibility to those who implement and enforce the rules (esic) Respect for Cadian is DEFINITELY earned
2021-10-20 20:05
Great to hear what I thought was the case all the time, basically just Hunden going totally in the fence as we used to say. I am so sad these kids had to endure this crap, and to all the haters, please get a life and do something useful for once.
2021-10-19 20:43
#555
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Europe skelteR
Free hunden
2021-10-19 20:58
The way they're sat on the couch talking and trying to convince us they didn't cheat reminds me of sitting infront of the headteacher with my friends in school trying to convince her we didn't break into her car and throw mud on her seats. lool
2021-10-19 21:00
2 replies
#575
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Portugal dracø
lmao
2021-10-19 21:56
or a bit like all the apology videos on youtube
2021-10-19 22:41
#562
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Japan KotpeHead
cringe
2021-10-19 21:08
I belive in Heroic too.. i hope all the best for you guys!
2021-10-19 21:10
cheaters
2021-10-19 21:14
#565
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Germany Teztyment
Wow I feel awful for these guys. I honestly think they are innocent. They are good people's
2021-10-19 21:20
imagine a coach cheating for your team and not beeing aware of it lmao .. are you dumb or what or you beelive you have the best coach in universe
2021-10-19 21:45
F
2021-10-19 21:48
how beta as it sounds I almost left a tear seeing this video after their reactions and emotions they all went through. All the best to them <3. These guys never were the issue here.
2021-10-19 21:57
#584
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Sweden suriel666
going the cry route with bad acting i see .. ESIC said in the report: "This is a common tactic of match-fixers and cheaters as they try and gauge how their peers feel about the proposed corrupt behaviour, their appetite for it and willingness to be complicit in it." Which is correct, but they forgot to mention that in a group of cheaters, when one of them is busted and tries to expose the rest of the cheaters, the remaining cheaters will create a bond to expel the busted one and deny all his accusations and cut all ties to him, to reduce the risk of getting collectively busted as a group. Just basic survival instinct at work, nothing more. I wonder why they got b0RUP to speak out, even though he wasn't even accused. And even got Refrezh + Sjuush into the vid, but funnily left out niko .. ? Why? Would he be a liability that could unexpectedly spill some hidden beans .. ?
2021-10-19 22:09
1 reply
The question about Niko and Borup is reasonable. But we will never get an answer.
2021-10-20 16:01
#586
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Portugal dracø
What really matters here is that if this was a broke ass t2 team instead of heroic in this situation they'd have been banned without a second's hesitation from ESIC a long time ago. But all in all it's innocent until proven guilty and so it's good that they weren't banned.
2021-10-19 22:12
1 reply
#677
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Norway TheDEA
Hard Legion and all their former players. It's unreasonable to think that the players didn't know anything having 2 coaches that used the bug within 2 months. Winning against NaVi and VP while using the bug, then losing most of their lower tier matches without the bug. But they don't have clear evidence so they can't do anything about it. ESIC isn't a joke, but they need to catch the cheater red handed to do anything about it.
2021-10-20 10:29
I'd encourage everyone to actually watch the entire video.
2021-10-19 22:31
1 reply
+1
2021-10-20 00:37
deny everything regret nothing throw hunden in front of the bus
2021-10-19 23:10
and the plot thickens...
2021-10-19 23:54
Cadian and Stavn found out after the first game through niko, but only Teses, the guy who boosted Hunden in the second game, somehow didn't find out. Very convenient. They're all cheaters. The only reason they're not banned is lack of evidence, not innocence. I truly hope this team goes to shit.
2021-10-20 00:07
finnaly they came out of the closet
2021-10-20 00:21
i am not a big fan of heroic. but after watching the video i feel respect for the guys and i feel sad for what they had to go through and how they have been treated. i absolutely believe that they had nothing to do with hundens use of the bug. what i dont understand is why hunden did it. that is a mystery to me. it just makes no sense.
2021-10-20 00:46
1 reply
LoL they wanted win evey match like forsaken so they cheated they are involved in Hunden's action they knew all about bug
2021-10-20 08:40
these 3 jokers shifting all the blame on Niko and Hunden... spineless. All it takes is a 30 min sob story put together from the Heroic team and everyone blames Niko and Hunden LOL they all knew about it but well done Heroic management you have fooled a lot of morons today. Teses just randomly helping to boost Hunden but he didnt know why LOL sure thing
2021-10-20 00:54
Heroic org more like COWARDS ORG
2021-10-20 01:01
Operation Throw Hunden under the bus as the scapegoat has succeeded as predicted.
2021-10-20 01:21
1 reply
Hunden is at best a scaperat. Cheater, treator, corrupted and snitch, calling him a scapegoat is far from reality
2021-10-20 10:26
No comments
2021-10-20 01:43
Huh?
2021-10-20 01:47
Again, this explanation and reasoning is just not at all logical - why would the coach cheat for literally 0 benefit? Not only 0 benefit, but a huge risk on himself. So the story Heroic still wants us to believe is that Hunden cheated completely on his own accord and didn't share any of the info to the players. But WHY would he do that? WHY cheat if you aren't relaying the information? The coach stands to benefit nothing by cheating and stands to lose everything. Normal and logical people don't put themselves in situations where the only option is losing. Anyone with half a brain can put the pieces together because the story makes 0 sense. This is a coordinated effort and they should all be banned.
2021-10-20 02:11
2 replies
the first question is easy to answer. All the time people do things with 0 benefits. Reason? Cuz they can.
2021-10-20 09:52
Yep, people who agree with heroic are the gullible kind who live and breathe cs so much that their world would be shattered if the integrity of cs (their life) is questioned or not real. Then again, they must be very young too
2021-10-20 13:53
Nice script written by Heroic management
2021-10-20 07:19
1 reply
contradicting themselves lul
2021-10-20 10:23
HUNDEN responded to this to the danish national news TV2 with(google translated the whole thing, cba translating): - It is, to say the least, a rewriting of the story they have sent out. They contradict both themselves and ESIC’s verdict in several places in the video. First, they admit that they talked about it in a TeamSpeak conversation, which was recorded by one of the players himself (this has not been confirmed by TV 2 SPORT, ed.), Only to mention later in the video that they did not know anything about the case at all, writes 'THE DOG' to TV 2 SPORT and adds: - I do not recognize much of what they have got screwed together, but they deliver it nicely. They know very well that they each either participated in the exploitation of the bug, or knew it. They also know very well that they have hidden the truth and lied along the way, and both the players and the management of the new organization must have a hard time seeing themselves in the mirror. - For me, it has been about stopping the deception I myself was a part of, and telling the truth so that I and my family can move on. They (the Heroic players, ed.) Have to live with the certainty that someone will one day speak, but for me, what has to be said has been said. I'm sorry, I've been naive, and I'm sorry, I trusted people I tried to protect. It has been grueling and it would have been much easier just to shut up. But then I would have to be the one to live on a lie, and I no longer want to. I did what I could and stood alone against a big machine. I'm not sorry, but I need a break now, and I need to focus on my family and my children. Nicolai ‘HUNDEN’ Petersen was sentenced in August to two years of quarantine from Counter-Strike because he was found guilty of intending to share tactical information with others than his own team.
2021-10-20 07:55
there is a contradiction here tho cus they say that they were aware of it but then they say that they had no idea
2021-10-20 08:43
"Why would he all of a sudden use a cheat or a bug? Why would we ever think that he would want to use it, it makes no sense to use it. It is stupid." cadian you know it... don't act foolish.... it all to win.
2021-10-20 10:40
2 replies
...but they lost the game against astralis. a game where they say they used the bug, i dont know how that bug works in details. but i imagine it gives you the whereabouts of the other teams players, right? and if that is the case, how can you loose? its a major advantage. i am so confused.
2021-10-20 18:02
1 reply
That's the problem, most of the people talk but they don't even know what happened. Hunden usee the bug for 9 rounds in just one map and when he left the bug, heroic was winning 8-1, is that a bad result? Those reads with people rotating from A to B when he sees the bomb on banana are normal reads? Which are the comms in game? Who boosted Hunden there at the start of the match? How's possible that xyp9x knew there was something fishy but heroic players use the "i don't know" card? m.youtube.com/watch?v=dDweXq5TNLE Same with the video against spirit, boost your coach in the middle of dust 2 is not normal, even if they want to cry and say it like it was a normal warm up.
2021-10-20 20:37
all this bs because valve incompetent to fix a bug that was pointed out multiple times to them from pros.. only to fix it when shit got real.. but hey here enjoy more skins..
2021-10-20 11:41
1 reply
The bug maybe gave them the options but they had the chance to go another way. When you have a gun you can use it to harm people or only to protect yourself... all the decisions made by the humans. Sure best would be 0 bugs in the game but that seems impossible.
2021-10-20 15:57
Anyone with a functional brain and feelings understand the need they felt to do this video. I can't imagine what they have been through since this trash bin called Hunden came out. It's time to put an end on this and move on! CSGO needs you as a team playing at the level you grinded yourselves on the last 2 years. Hunden is just a piece of trash and a cancer that must stay where he belongs, hopefully far away from CSGO community. -The End -
2021-10-20 11:59
8 replies
#739
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Australia mrekk
-3/8
2021-10-20 15:38
bad try cadian
2021-10-20 15:57
5 replies
Thanks! I'll take it as a compliment.
2021-10-21 12:47
4 replies
A possible gay and proven cheating pro player is a compliment?
2021-10-21 15:19
3 replies
Gay or not gay it's not my problem nor option. Only his! Personnally, I always seen gays men as a plus... Afterall, more women will be left for those who like them. Regarding the cheating, you fail the "proven" as "proven" matters have objective consequences and there's none to support your point. On the other end, judging anyone based on their sexual orientation it's objectivelly "proven" that is a mooronic thing nowadays and that it's a fact and not an option. So sorry for you...
2021-10-21 15:49
2 replies
You are cadian only he can answer a simple question with 30 sentence just to cover up his lies
2021-10-21 15:52
1 reply
Well, I'm just realising that cadian and I have something in common... We both have more brain in our left toes than you on your entire body. Stay strong /closed
2021-10-21 18:11
+1
2021-10-20 18:14
#691
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Switzerland ayygurl
I believe them and even if you don't, you shouldn't insult them or go after them, that's really fucked up
2021-10-20 12:00
#698
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Denmark Daweh
The CS community is maybe the most toxic in the world :D
2021-10-20 13:43
3 replies
#725
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Czech Republic PaYaB
rocket league community is worse, trust me
2021-10-20 14:40
#738
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Australia mrekk
Flag and flair
2021-10-20 15:38
you never met the dota community. Where even pro players insult each other with "monkeys" including their children.
2021-10-20 15:59
Stfu you cheating piece of garbage .
2021-10-20 20:09
Dont believe a word they saying. Also this crying is cringe as fuck.
2021-10-20 20:24
1 reply
they have been under a lot of pressure the past few months man
2021-10-21 20:40
#816
RpK | 
France HippzZ
They should have continued to keep their silence instead of lying. Who can believe they weren't aware lmao
2021-10-21 20:55
why so many people still endorse hunden?
2021-10-23 04:07
DOG hunden too good!
2021-10-27 14:43
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