Opinion: Why the big Brazilian reunion is a bad idea

10/11/2021 - 19:24

The old Luminosity and SK core that won back-to-back Majors in 2016 is reportedly trying to get back together. Here are the main reasons why the move, and big nostalgic reunions in general, is a bad idea.

On Monday and Tuesday, it was reported by Jaxon that Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo and Marcelo "⁠coldzera⁠" David are creating a new Brazilian project and that they are looking to reunite with former teammates Fernando "⁠fer⁠" Alvarenga and Lincoln "⁠fnx⁠" Lau in what was described as a "last dance."

Returning to the top isn't as simple as bringing the old gang back together

The rumor sent shockwaves through the community, as the move would see one of the most iconic cores recreated in four out of five members of the old Luminosity and SK lineup that won MLG Columbus and ESL One Cologne in 2016, but the reception was far from positive. In fact, most pundits seem to agree that it is a terrible idea from a competitive standpoint, and I am in the same camp.

The biggest reason why? Big nostalgic reunions simply never work.

Learning from Sweden's biggest mistakes

Just looking back at the two most comparable attempts should be enough to tell you that getting back on top isn't as easy as just teaming up with the same people who had once dominated together, especially this far in the past.

The first, almost shockingly similar reunion took place about five years ago, when a big shuffle between GODSENT and fnatic happened and Jesper "⁠JW⁠" Wecksell, Andreas "⁠znajder⁠" Lindberg, Markus "⁠pronax⁠" Wallsten, and Robin "⁠flusha⁠" Rönnquist got back together under the former banner alongside Freddy "⁠KRIMZ⁠" Johansson, bringing back four-fifths of the squad that won the first-ever CS:GO Major at DreamHack Winter 2013.

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If you're a newer fan and this doesn't ring a bell, or you don't remember what happened after, let me refresh your memory. Two months after the move took place, KRIMZ went back to fnatic when GODSENT failed a few big qualifiers and placed poorly at the two LAN events they attended at SL i-League Season 2 Finals and WESG Europe & CIS Regional Finals. After another four months passed, the entire shuffle was reversed when the legendary quartet suffered a group stage elimination at ELEAGUE Major 2017, making it the first time in 10 Majors that flusha and JW didn't make it to the playoffs.

Most of you should remember the second project I'm referring to because it is the early 2020 Dignitas reunion that once again saw a legendary four-man core brought back from the grave, with Christopher "⁠GeT_RiGhT⁠" Alesund, Patrik "⁠f0rest⁠" Lindberg, Adam "⁠friberg⁠" Friberg, and Richard "⁠Xizt⁠" Landström teaming up again in what looked like a desperate attempt to roll the years back and would soon prove to be just that. That lineup, with Håkon "⁠hallzerk⁠" Fjærli hailed as the young star AWPer the Swedes would build around, went through eight months of struggles at the tier-two level and stayed outside of the top 30 the entire time, before Xizt and GeT_RiGhT got benched in favor of younger players.

A quartet years past their prime

You may ask why these two examples didn't work out and why we should throw the big Brazilian reunion into the same bucket, and the answer is quite simple once again. Every one of these projects features multiple players years beyond the prime level that they had showcased when they had first played and won big titles together; in Dignitas' case, every single one of the veterans had seen much better years, and you can make the same argument for pronax and znajder at the very least in GODSENT's.

The average age of the FalleN-coldzera-fnx-fer core would be 29.8 years

The old SK quartet is no different. FalleN and coldzera have managed to stay relevant at the top, but both have been shadows of their former selves on an individual level in recent years after hitting their peak form in 2016-2017. fer has only declined since the best years of Brazilian CS as well, and he hasn't even played in the biggest tournaments since 2020, while fnx last appeared at a big event three and a half years ago.

The average age of that four-man core of FalleN, coldzera, fer, and fnx would be 29.8 years, and no matter what wonderchild they'd complete the roster with, they'd still be at least a year older on average than the two oldest teams in the top 30 at the moment in G2 and FaZe, who are already huge outliers among their peers.

Now don't get me wrong. At least three of these players would be a worthy addition to a younger team looking to make it to the next level; the influx of a wealth of experience you need to help guide a youthful, hungry roster in search of greater heights. All four playing together would however equate to a retirement home — one that the fans would throw money at, to be sure — akin to last year's Dignitas, two of whose members are no longer competing as players. That's what this throwback project would have to look forward to if it came together.

coz fnx, nowadays, is anything but a professional player and not to mention the others.

2021-11-10 19:27

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agreed, i think coldzera and fallen can even play well, but they are not in ther peak

2021-11-10 19:31

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2021-11-10 20:00

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Fnx 100% major winrate, cry is free

2021-11-10 21:51

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lmao

2021-11-10 22:12

"Cry is free" is one constantly used sentence to users who are complaining about something. But what most people doesn't know, is that this sentence is actually a huge lie. As far as we know, tears consists of water and 0,9 gram salt per litre. And both of these ingredients are not free. Here I listed the price of 10 litre tears for the countries of the G8. I used the following formula (price is in US Dollar): (price 100 gram salt/100)x9 + (price 1 cubic litre water/100) = price 10 litre tears France: 0,20 $ Italy: 0,17 $ Germany: 0,19 $ United Kingdom: 0,22 $ USA: 0,18 $ Canada: 0,18 $ Japan: 0,18 $ Russia: 0,16 $ That means russia has the cheapest cry.

2021-11-10 22:21

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cry is free

2021-11-10 22:42

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*cry is cheap

2021-11-11 00:40

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**cry is scam

2021-11-11 07:11

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who car ?

2021-11-11 14:39

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my car

2021-11-12 09:57

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his car

2021-11-12 17:03

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nah

2021-11-13 09:28

2021-11-10 22:48

There is no g8 anymore it is g7 since 2014 and russia isnt in it :(

2021-11-10 23:07

I'm sorry my fellow russian, welcome back to the third world

2021-11-10 23:34

As far as we are not using tears as seasoning, cry is free.

2021-11-11 09:52

you can try to sell your tears but I doubt anyone will buy them

2021-11-11 15:54

Do you know that free has lots of meanings right? cry is free as in free speech, not as in free beer. Still, good analysis.

2021-11-11 20:31

FNX = Phoenix The phoenix is an immortal bird associated with Greek mythology (with analogs in many cultures) that cyclically regenerates or is otherwise born again. Associated with the sun, a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor. research his story and you'll see that he lives up to his nickname

2021-11-27 13:59

man... it is a serious analysis... not a meme

2021-11-10 22:47

Titoncio 100% major winrate. If i never lose a major, i won every.

2021-11-11 16:07

Its not a bad idea if there idea is to have fun what they love doing most and earn money together. its all there is to life do what you love doing. and enjoy it. simple as that.

2021-11-11 01:12

2021-11-10 20:04

if they really wanna be competitive they should build a international roster. Fer is alright, but the other 2 must be actually very good, and not some random bots like fnx

2021-11-10 20:36

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Fnx random bot? Lol

2021-11-10 21:55

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nowadays ofc. don't act like he is good for tier 1 cs (NOWADAYS, AGAIN). He wouldn't be able to practice everyday. We all know that, he knows that.

2021-11-10 22:17

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No we dont know until He tries. His history actually prof that u can't doubt him, he got retired so many times but somehow every time when Brazil won world championships he was there.

2021-11-10 22:30

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name does not check out

2021-11-10 22:54

Actually its wise think he might will perform due to his history, all the other times was exacly like now, ppl saying He was retired, he haven't focus to the game anymore and in the end he was lifiting world trophys. All i saying its that lets give him a chance to try one more time he deserves, Brazil have 4 world titles in CS, 2 as 1.6 version and 2 as Global Offensive and he was there in all 4

2021-11-11 00:23

fnx might be the most decorated and one of the most legendary Brazilian CS players of all-time, in both 1.6 and CSGO. But he has made numerous comebacks since first retiring from this core and being replaced by felps - and every single time it lasted for only a few months and he was kind of a shell of his former self.....which is to be expected. This comeback would be no different. It would simply waste the last year or two of FalleN/coldzera's careers.

2021-11-11 03:38

He won the south america minor before Covid and was about to play the major with Red Canids through SA spot, that was his last team that was seriously after 2 years retired. Then Covid19 stopped everything and this team got disbanded. Playing alongside FalleN and cia again with an goal certainly will bring back his fire on eyes to once again compete at the highest level, when we talk about him is all about motivation, if he's living the game, then u have one of the best's players of all times in your team but u need a decent team to make him shine his best due to his strong personality.

2021-11-11 04:03

let's see. Let's hope for a fnx rising from the ashes 2.0

2021-11-10 23:35

Just imagine.. oh my i can't wait to see those guys togethers in a run for the major

2021-11-11 00:24

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

2021-11-11 00:00

Kkkkkkk o home é brabo esquece

I really hope cold and fallen manage to get some young talents like dumau and such. Wasting time with fnx would be bad for everyone involved, fans included

2021-11-10 23:28

Delusional fans who stuck in 2016 think otherwise

2021-11-15 20:24

The only way to achieve any kind of success would be: FALLEN - He's a smart business man with knowledge about the game, so he would be a great manager to ANY team (PT / ENG speakers), he would be able to manage rly well all the requests and stuffs between players and org. FNX - Keep focusing on realities TV SHOWS. ESQUECE PADIN. COLDZERA - Should put all his efforts to become a bodybuilder. It's already common sense that he's becoming a poor player because his thews are atrophying because of exercises, CS requires precise moves and he's going into the opposite direction with his gym style. FER - He'd be the hell of a fking good Stand Up guy. Go for comedy bro, you're real good.

2021-11-10 20:38

Pissed myself laughing at fer one 🤣🤣🤣

2021-11-10 22:25

damn 8/8 xd

This one is the best comment iv seen in a while

2021-11-11 00:09

FER IS STRONGER THAN COLDZERA, WHY ONLY COLDZERA SUFFERS FOR BEING STRONG ?

2021-11-11 00:22

KkkKkkkmk

2021-11-11 00:28

that was a good one, im laughing hard....they should really not make "the last dance" happen...fallen and coldzera can manage to play decent on tier 1, but they are far from a major tbh, fer and fnx should just keep doing what they are doing now. The last dance only will make them suffer from constant loses, 0 titles and if they manage to clasify to the major, the only thing that would come out of it, would be fnx losing his 100% win rate xD

2021-11-11 00:35

Maybe they just want to play together one last time before retiring

2021-11-11 18:48

8/8

2021-11-11 04:45

Taco & fer should do a stand-up comedy together lmao

2021-11-11 06:41

Youre the real wisiest brazillian in hltv, The one using this name its totally delusional

2021-11-11 19:13

+1 dont combine them, let fallen igl for 4 brazilian youngsters to develop them better, and let cold also join a lower tier br team as an experience and firepower boost to try to bring them to relevance fer is washed and would probably do no better than a tier 2 or 3 brazilian team, but wouldn't help them get out of that tier fnx probably hasnt touched the game in forever and his skill level will have gone down drastically

2021-11-11 00:37

Only truths here.

2021-11-11 01:44

Every team cold touches, goes in very strange way. I really dont know why brazilians think that this core (cold, fallen, fer, fnx) could play in tier 1 matches and outcome better than Furia. But, it seems that the people here jus want this lineup for fun. I think there's no problem playing in high level CS just for the old times. Fallen could look for Yuurih and Kscerato to build a roster, but it's probably too hard to take them out of Furia. The dream team right now, would seems like: Fallen (igl, awp, support) Yuurih (rifler, starplayer) Kscerato (lurker) Lucaozy (entry, support) Latto or Cold (doing Taco role in LG/SK era)

2021-11-11 02:21

Anyone can peak if they're in the right environment, but all of them have gone past their prime when thery were together... Fallen might peak again with liquid or any other team again if they get the right pieces together same with cold and fer... But if you put them all together there's no way they're gonna stick for long,

2021-11-11 04:07

lost all respect for striker !

2021-11-10 19:47

lmao as if he cares

2021-11-10 20:01

2021-11-10 23:23

+1 and -1 at the same time

2021-11-10 20:51

opinion: striker bad writer `-´

2021-11-10 20:58

striker hater lol

2021-11-11 04:38

He is still going to be better than fer and cold lol

cold? lol

Sorry, he won't. He can't even remember pixels for smokes bro.

2021-11-10 20:21

He never learn kkkkkkkkkkk

2021-11-10 21:39

he won 2 majors without knowing more than 2 nades per map

2021-11-11 00:17

+1 you dont need to know 50 nades on every map to become major winner. I know almost every smoke, nade stack, molotovs and flashbangs in every map but I'm still bad and stuck in low elo CS forever.

2021-11-11 00:57

I feel you, bro.

2021-11-11 04:21

+1 for dedication

2021-11-11 08:49

Ppl saying that fnx doesnt know how to use nades are insane, he had one the most damages with nades and flash assists in his prime.

2021-11-11 19:20

"but the reception was far from positive. " where? in his world only lul

2021-11-10 19:50

read the comments

2021-11-10 19:59

the day we need an opinion from a stranger we're fvcked we didnt win majors thinking about outside opinions

2021-11-10 20:08

You havent done anything at all, stop clumping yourself into other peoples success.

2021-11-10 20:34

and you? 0 + 0 = 0.

even when SK/LG was top 1, there were people talking sh1t about them

2021-11-10 21:15

Outside of BR

2021-11-10 20:31

fnx is really good. I know that

2021-11-10 20:29

really bad mental tho

2021-11-10 20:33

motivated fnx = goat

2021-11-10 21:03

dreams > Strikers opinion

2021-11-10 21:37

Fallen is so washed

2021-11-10 19:25

was the best liquid player during the major lol

2021-11-11 00:51

Because he was igl and set himself for ez rating

2021-11-11 13:33

Yes ofc! playing support lol

2021-11-11 16:09

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

2021-11-11 20:18

LAST DANCE

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why is EU scene afraid?

2021-11-10 19:48

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LMAO

2021-11-10 19:51

delusional

2021-11-10 19:55

the lusional*

2021-11-10 20:43

"Why the big Brazilian reunion is a bad idea?" Well, if you want it for the hype, marketing and memes, ok. But hoping that they can achieve it again it is nothing but an illusion. They wouldn't give themselves the time needed to reach great goals again... history would just repeat itself, as they would manage to replace a player every 10 losses lmao

2021-11-10 22:03

EU scene cant handle fnx's hotness only jackz might have a chance

2021-11-10 20:10

Gade

2021-11-10 21:48

gade hot asf

2021-11-11 00:44

LOOOOOL_4Head

yikes

2021-11-10 20:45

KEKW

2021-11-10 20:50

2021-11-10 20:56

based

2021-11-10 20:59

+1 NA can hold FalleN down for only so long

This is top quality copium

2021-11-10 22:58

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

2021-11-10 23:32

we need to accept, they don't have the same skill as 2016-2018, the best way would be to do the same thing that GODSENT did, experienced player like FalleN and +4 or 3 youngsters

2021-11-11 12:48

inb4 they'll victimize themselves on social media

everyone knows it is

good opinion

2021-11-10 21:40

i haven't read but i understand

2021-11-10 19:26

last dance

This is just going to be a Brazilian Eternal Fire, no disrespect, but they're not going to be serious competition in Tier 1

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well, atleast eternal fire is the region's only chance of having a good team, while there are good enough brazilian teams that would beat MIBR 2.0: Electric Bungaloo any day of the week

True

thats a shitty comparison actually , comparing it to the reinvented Dignitas makes the sense

2021-11-10 19:29

Agreed. Eternal Fire are still quite new but they're not bad. This project has the potential to ruin their legacies if they don't succeed

2021-11-10 19:36

I mean if we put on the table the region potential yes you're right however EF's success is going to be the same as Dig and the same as this brazilian version

2021-11-10 19:54

Which success? 😂

if they didn't bring fnx and choose 2 other quality players in medium teams (lucaozy, biguzera, chelo are good players) I think they can play at a high level

2021-11-10 20:27

Striker straight up roasting Brazilians TOP KEK

Striker for president!

2021-11-10 22:04

its a bad idea for sure, fallen will waste his last years and even their ceiling right now couldnt match the top teams

+1 Fallen and Cold would be better making a team with good younger players

2021-11-10 20:17

+1 they must decide if they just want some fast gratification with old well-known players or if they are going to look at the grand scheme and help young talent to keep the br scene strong

2021-11-11 00:43

BIG FAN HERE

Disband will come sooner than later.

wtf? opinion on news site

Have you ever read a newspaper?

I should have specified e-sports news site, and I mean, I know opinion articles are a thing but don't feel they suit this kind of site at all, and I'm sure if you read the replies on this article you'll agree with me

2021-11-10 21:02

Thats the whole point of an esports news site. They are constantly, every day, every stream giving their opinion. Its up to the team to prove doubtors wrong (if the team happens)

this is the first time that has happened on this site unusuall situation

2021-11-10 21:12

No it's not, there have been opinion pieces on HLTV prior to this.

2021-11-10 22:57

is it because we BRAZILIAN?!?!?!!

based striker

COME ON TO BRAZIL ?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!!??!!?!?!?!?!?!

TRUE

LOL

HLTV has opeds now? pog, maybe start putting news in categories then, and let players/coaches write pieces

we just want to be happy

Would it be cool to see them together? Yes. But no happiness would come from it, 'cause they would get destroyed by every single team on big tournaments. I'd rather see them together on showmatchs and stuff like that. This would be happiness, only entertainment.

+1, didn't coldzera leave MIBR already w/ fallen and fer? And that team was better than this proposed roster

That's why brazilian teams fail. Anything less than top 1 is shit. That MIBR team from 2018 and early 2019 was good, but they worsened without fans' support.

2021-11-10 23:08

2021-11-10 20:41

0-3 at major 1st stage like godsent?

2021-11-10 20:44

No, 'cause they probably won't qualify for it.

2021-11-10 20:46

U are being kind delusional if u think GODSENT would win any map of the Last dance, ppl talking a lot but those guys ruled the scene and knows how to play the game, who knows what could happen if they get togethers once again and motivated. They will win a major and got top 1? This is problaby hard to do again, but they will not being some tier 2 punch bag for sure, only elite teams will beat them

Well put! False hype just like dig. Dig got me depressed, same thing Will happen for brazilians with this project

2021-11-10 22:06

another tier 4 team

it is

HAHAHAHA STOP CHOKING

true

really interesting point, but I think that the focus of the team would be marketing (and advertising), not winning. So big win for the fans (despite probably poor results) and for some org

2021-11-10 19:28

BRAZIL CS IN 2022 LULW

Name checks out

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2021-11-11 11:15

good opinion and everyone knows it but NO FNX NO MAJOR

it would be a team to farm media and money

lmao this man is bringing out age in esports

AGREE

BASED STRIKER

the biggest community in the world is brazil, if this come real, how many the org will sell in sponsors and souveniers in one day??? Actually its a good ideia.

Biggest community in the world is Brazil ??? So thats not true

i think excluding china, brazil has highest viewership, farthest reaching audience for local (same language) streamers, so if this team is gonna be good for anything, its sponsorship deals and advertising,. maybe even stream team ??

Rus is bigger

2021-11-10 19:49

ofc rus "biggest... they reached the final, of course there would be "more" people watching, now imagine if it was FURIA in the final.... just for example, a game that wasn't even elimination, furia vs mibr, gave 400k to gaules... imagine a final of a major with a brazilian team, se liga rapá! brasil é a maior comunidade de cs, aceita

2021-11-10 20:07

Nah, that game was mibr vs eg and it was a final, or semifinal, idk. Russia is currently making more viewers. For example, Navi cs Vitality, a quarter final, made more views than Furia vs Gambit, another quarter final.

2021-11-10 21:30

you're forgetting to consider that the whole world likes to see s1mple playing, but not everyone will want to see Furia or Shiro (if you know what I mean)

2021-11-10 22:45

Yeah u have a point

2021-11-11 01:56

CIS, maybe

true, but my point still works i think

2021-11-10 20:35

yes, I say that Russia is not bigger than Brazil, whereas the CIS in general may be

OMG ADMINS BAITING

You did not understand? I don't care if they lose 1000 matches I just want to see them play together again even if it's only a year it will make me very happy as a fan^^

+9999999

Against who? Paquetá? Mythic? FalleN + Cold could get together with actual good new international players and make a final attempt at T1. This is just giving up.

2021-11-11 01:48

Lmaloooo striker are you mad ? Man want all the br fans on his ass hahahahah (degenerate fanbase) Opinion is true tho

+1 xd

2021-11-10 22:16

Kkkkkkkkkkk Everyone knows that he’s actually right but it will be nice to see this guys again. I like when dignitas reunited the big 4, maybe it’s because people is getting old and nostalgic

2021-11-11 04:34

spitting facts here

who ask?

i did

2021-11-10 19:32

Who asked you to ask who asked?

2021-11-10 19:53

2021-11-10 20:14

we don't car about opinion

I do

based and true

rip navi domination

Great thread... oh.... i mean article

Kkkkkkk

2021-11-11 00:19

2021-11-11 00:29

Lol

2021-11-11 01:49

retirement home lmao

the fnx playing today in day is a joke, no more kkkk

"today in day" is the real joke, nice englando

nice "englando" say the toddynho's kid

2021-11-11 14:26

You didn't got the joke kkkkk NT

2021-11-11 19:48

i stopped reading on OPINION:

Respect or fear?

but when Flusha came back to fnatic after c9 episode they won like 2 tournaments and over a 1m$ in like 2 months soo not always reunions like that fails.

Yeah He forgot tho mension the Fnatic back to back major champions Last dance in 2017, they had some success until they loose to SK a dreamhack final in sweeden and Olof leaves

2021-11-10 22:09

I was thinking about this.

Bro they're digging up fnx again? Stop it, that man is beyond washed. This will be terrible

Striker is reading this, hello striker

2021-11-10 19:30

hi striker

opininon:?

THE LAST DANCE

we all know it wouldn't work, but we'd still be hyped to see it an actual project with fallen+cold+3 younger players might actually work to a certain level and become Brazil's second best team behind FURIA... I don't believe any project with coldzera would become super relevant again, as he's seemingly toxic when he loses, and with his current level - although still good - will be seeing him losing often

"we all know it wouldn't work, but we'd still be hyped to see it" Yes, but the hype will go away as soon as they start to lose every single game. You know the brazilian community man. This is a mistake, they will only deal with critics and some hate. No one would enjoy to see them losing a game by 16-5 everyday. I would agree with this lineup if they were gathering to play some showmatches and one or two small tournaments, just to fool around.

They will loose only for Elite teams my guy that's for sure. I think they would even got top 1 NA again tbh

hello striker nice podcasts my freunde

let them try

30 years mens and fnx a fuckboy xD

yes to be honest looks like tier-2 veteran stack

only a fucktard would disagree brazilian veterans haven't done shit for 2 years, and all they do is steal paychecks

they should mix with young talents, but i dont think 2face toledo would have patience to develop them...

2021-11-10 19:40

CRY BABY SK ERA 2022 IS REAL

I agree

jesus AgE>sKiLl??? but yea nice nostalgia, but wont work

hltv.org/player/8678/striker striker trophies??? 0 LUL

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Cry is free

2021-11-10 19:34

why so mad? this roster will suck dick

2021-11-10 19:41

So I'll give you my opinion: you don't live our dream you have several teams to represent you who speak your language we just have fury and they, and they gave us 2 majors we don't care if they win championships we just want see them again together.... did you understand?

...but we also have several teams to represent us, and maybe even better than this failed roster would do. Godsent, Furia, Pain, mibr all can grow in the next year. 00nation maybe if they learn from EU experience. I don't get why people would rather that fer fallen fnx and cold got together to be spanked for 4 months then disband than seeing fallen and cold making another >actually good< br team with upcoming youngsters like taco is doing. tl;dr GODSENT > last dance

2021-11-10 20:24

failed roster ?? the only loser I see here is the author of this opinion and his comment. At no point did I talk about competitiveness, if you don't want to see at least 3 of these 4 together again, you don't like CS. only that

2021-11-10 20:26

much better to see them in separeted teams helping the scene. they can play showmatch together.

if you prefer to see these 4 players together to fulfill your nostalgia,instead of a new competitive brazilian roster (Fallen,cold, +3),you don't like CS.

2021-11-10 21:28

Striker 1.3 rating fallen cold fnx fer ratings where?

Fallen, cold, fnx, fer = 8 major NA/CA = 1 major

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This is not how math works

:( no?

No, either fallen, col, fnx, fer have 2 majors, while NA has one Or fallen, cold, fnx, fer have 8 majors while NA has 5

2021-11-10 20:06

oh true... but fnx have 4 majors in 1.6 then... fallen, cold, fer and fnx = 12 major NA = 5 kekw

are you actually calculating the majors from a different game now? jesus christ...

BR = 17 "MAJOR" (12 major CSGO and 5 world cup) NA = 5 MAJOR (5 MAJOR AND 0 WORLD CUP KEKWLUL)

2021-11-10 20:20

KKKKKKKK "STRIKER" IS NOT NORTH AMERICAN

2021-11-10 21:24

Im refer to #133

2021-11-11 19:10

ofc its is... let me teach u 1fallen = 2 majors 2cold = 2 majors 3fer = 2 majors 4fnx = 2 majors 4 x 2 = 8 majors, ur welcome :D

2021-11-10 20:09

ok, stewie 1 major skadoodle 1 major rush 1 major autimatic 1 major tarik 1 major -> NA 5 majors. It is just retarded to calculate majors this way

omg, i feel bad for u

no need, my life is awesome

2021-11-10 20:16

#397

omg, i feel bad for u too

2021-11-10 21:34

do they teach math in brazil?

2021-11-10 20:40

hltv.org/stats/players/8678/striker striker 1.3 rating

the good old "0 trophies" argument, that's why brazil is a joke here

2021-11-11 11:10

que otario você deve ser kkkkkkkkkkkkkk

2021-11-11 19:09

bem eu mesmo KLKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

No need to read its just bad idea.

Is a great idea for Cash grab before retiring

exactly

you are afraid because you know that if they come back, they will destroy them all.

Why would he be afraid? As much as the scene be more competitive the viewership would go higher it means there would be more sponsors so his salary will increase totally

2021-11-10 20:19

dumbest comment i've ever seen

good opinion BUT i want to see this happening, just for the hype just for the comunnity , would be awesome see the core again, we can easily put 400k on streams on every match they play! they will win? I DON'T KNOW! but i love theses guys and i want to see them together one more time, please, let happen!

Imagine reuniting NAVI 1.6 times, mTw, just for the hype? LOOL

0/8

2021-11-10 20:11

why not? I'd watch them play

2021-11-10 21:20

Navi 1.6 was a fucking dream team

2021-11-11 14:11

im cool with this team existing, they probably won't do a lot. But i swear if they convince Hen1 to join them instead of furia im gonna scream

"one that the fans would throw money at, to be sure" u know, I KNOW but I prefer to believe in MAGIC

2021-11-10 19:35

they will sell merch and make a ton of money though

I agree that shit like this will never work but the first argument which says "big nostalgic reunions simply never work." based on 2 examples is just dumb. It's just too few to base anything on that...

2021-11-10 19:37

Actually best comment here!

2021-11-10 21:23

tldr: they're washed up

another crap about age, age dosen't matter if youre good

dead team with a dead perspective they can't adapt to a new meta, they lived too long in the past glory, they are gonna be pure trash fnx haven't played t1-2 in years, so its a 4-5 by default disband in 6 months, mark my words

Im my opinion is not worth, I think fallen and cold still have some years in tier-1 but if they want so just get some fun before retire its a nice idea. Cs isn´t the same of 16-17 , anyway we are gonna still supporting them till the end BRASIl il il

They are already choking

KKKKKKKKKKK

This is certainly the most likely to happen. But, if the most unlikely happens (ie, the team works) it will be something completely legendary.

Again

2021-11-10 22:15

ratio

2021-11-10 19:38

counter +1 this tw*tter user

Prove it or I'll kiss you 💋

Indeed a good opinion. We need fallen, cold, and some other youngsters, good aim, fast reflexes ... but without fnx, no major ... forget

washed up bots want some big paychecks for their names end of discussion

The most dominant team behind Astralis wanna try one more time, the will for their Last dance.* Why so mad? NAVI lost that major final for them years ago let it go

2021-11-10 22:19

we want entertainment.

2021-11-10 19:39

I think that for you to talk about a winner you must necessarily be a winner too... besides, only Nostradamus can predict the future, this reunion of champions can work or not but what counts is the attempt, I eternal SK fan and from Luminosity Gaming I am very happy to see them playing together again... "I think that for you to speak of a winner you must necessarily be a winner too..." 🤫😉

M16R v 3.0 or 4.0 No thanks everyone who invest their money into this are brainless

Ofc you only mention about MIBR but forgot that before they fall from MIBR bad days they was the best team in the world, and till nowdays only Astralis had more time as top 1. Btw this core with FNX never played under MIBR only LG/SK

They want to play together for the last time, like dignitas does. I'm pretty sure they don't want to win the majors, but they want to chill together like the old times. What's wrong with that ?

+1 it's common sense that they wouldn't be able to win a major, next to impossible to even qualify to one... hltv users feed themselves with hate.. I mean, they are turning threads into articles as we can see lul

Yes it is kinda a click bait. I feel it should a topic in htlv confirmed, not an article in hltv.

2021-11-11 02:33

THE ULTIMATE FORUM THREAD BY STRIKER :D

Good thing striker knows ZERO about counter strike

The gamelegion player ? hltv.org/player/8413/zero It makes sense, sSovania is very close of Czech Republic

2021-11-11 02:36

fnx will play serious for tournament then go back to villa mix kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk fallen, cold and the rest are all washed up

oh yes, the good old retirement home

if they're happy, I'm happy.

Retirement home? Outch...

just fax

is this happens because we are from Brazil

CS is about entertainment as much as it is about winning the game. We don't really care how many trophies they'll get with this team, we just want to see them playing together again because it will be a lot of fun. Just let us have our fun, dude.

2021-11-10 19:42

didnt fnx fucked coldzera wife?

didnt fnx fucker all endland?

2021-11-10 20:13

Thanks Mr. Obvious, but everyone knows that, even brazillian people agree with your post. We are still supporting them and wanting to see the reunion.

2021-11-10 19:43

FalleN faced the truth of being out of meta in Liquid and went from mediocre to okayish. But fer has been complete trash since he joined 00nation. fnx didn't even touch the game so... cold is still relevant but he sure has to change his style drastically to become more effective. They have to embark new players and/or explosive players to reignite the fire they had when they first boomed into the scene. The passion they had was second to none, never seen such a passion in a team since Immortals disbanded (with HEN1 & co).

Bad article title, it's not an opinion. It's a fact

all retirement homes are bad ideas, but u cant stop them!

jesus all of this is envy??? just cuz BR have a line up that could gain more money than entire EU? XDDDDD cheeeeeeeeesssssss

Envy? Envy of what? A washed up T4 roster? lol. Its Sheesh* btw.

2021-11-10 19:46

MONEY!!! We are talking about money, my tea-lover friend, not about win tournaments. Whatever if will become t4, t5, t9999999. The first game probably will have 500, 600k in twitch and the line will earn more money than any EU org ahahah no, its cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees, you cant even understand what im saying

+1 Brasil will destroy them!

prove them wrong id say, age doesn't matter its all in your head

2021-11-10 19:45

Agreed!

of course it's Striker lmfao

WRONG OPINION (Just like any other anti-Brasil opinion, wait until the next major to see)

The goal of this team would just be to create nostalgia and see them play one last time all together, and nothing more.

nice now watch TACO who got shat on for years because of his bad stats do much better with his team.

Actually, I don't care if they gonna win or lose to a tier 4109841481 russian team. I just want to see them play together again to retire with the [g]old lineup.

+1 based

??????????????? we want this cuz we love these guys, we dont want titles, majors, and anything, we want be happy again

Delusional

First "opinion" news ever in this website, and guess what... to talk sh*t about brazilians... ok

It's actually not the first, it's more like the 20th

Show me others

I wasn't trying to be rude. Richard lewis and thorin were shitting on hltv for posting opinion pieces without it being a separate sections a few months ago on their podcast. Sorry if I came off as offensive wasn't my intention

2021-11-10 23:20

you say there's 20, right? if i ask 3 you wouldn't be able to show me 1. I already checked and that's the very first, so your 2 options is: 1- apologize and recognize your mistake. 2- ignore and run away, never show up again what you gonna do? lets see

2021-11-10 20:32

They prob Just wanna have fun and earn some money. So many good teams nowadays its Hard to compete anyway

actually is true, selling t-shirts money >> prize money

2021-11-11 17:12

They're afraid of us LUL. CoMe To BrAzIl

Let's wait for the next episode.

Brazilian fans want the return of this line

"I don't care if they lose all the games, I just wanna to see them playing together again *u*" this is the biggest lie u can read by brazilian fans... the hate gonna start after the 1st lose

I'm telling this to everyone too. The hype will be gone as soon as they start to be destroyed. "Oh but I don't care I just wanna see them together" Yeah, right, but no one would like to see them losing a game by 16-6 every single day. This will only generate more critics and some more hate towards them.

Come to Brazil Gaules top 1

The money that the org that sign them will make is outrageous, that's the point most people don't get. This guys have a huge fan base behind them.. that's easy money.

STRIKER GO get VACCINATED

I think it's a good idea. CS is about entertainment and we gonna be entertained watching them getting destroyed

why the hell did they never play with fnx again when he was a part of the big era? No wonder why they never came back strong again... Bring back Fnx or riot

Old daddies

If Brazilian you depend on expert opinion or whatever from other countries the Brazilian was fucked whether in cs go or in another game! I respect whoever wrote this post, but this is all a joke!

english? If brazilians take opinions from other countries they was fucked? What do you mean by that? You mean they are just fine if they don't? Or that opinions from other countries are just stupid? I wonder if the latter makes you racist?

I wasn't racist, I was telling the truth, look what happens right here on the forum, how much Brazilians are treated, and these guys are everything for the Brazilian scene and as a Brazilian I think I have to come back and only come back to them, it's already worth it!

2021-11-10 20:03

Dumb opinion

not dumb at all, he stated facts. It would only end their career while Cold and Fallen can still be in a tier 1-2 team. Making a reunion with a full brazilian roster would only send them to their very end of their career and tier 3-4 easily. He said the absolute truth and It's just an advice, they should consider It for sure.

Counter&Strike 15: Rio Heist

2021-11-10 19:52

Are you that scared? to post an article like this?

Why should Striker be even scared 😅😅 Striker just wrote opinion on this roster

2021-11-10 22:00

+1 seems like brazilian couldnt read it though

it's just business

"[...] but the reception was far from positive. In fact, most pundits seem to agree that it is a terrible idea from a competitive standpoint, and I am in the same camp." What? BR scene loved the possiblity of them being together again, we don't care that they probably will not win a major, we want to see them, to cheer for them again. You guys don't undestand about love for a team/sport. It's not about numbers and statistics.

Why it's a good idea 1. They are bringing back a legendary 2 time major winning team again and there is a 20% chance that it will reach top 5. 2. Sk era ended because of astralis era which is a kryptonite to their own style. Now the meta defining team is Navi , which plays the same slow paced C's that sk used to play. 3. They can use this lineup as a foundation to build back the Brazilian scene to the top. Even if this lineup fails , there are 20 more Brazilian players who played at the major and with that much talent they can make roster changes as they like. Consider this. Fallen decided to build a strong Brazilian team again , and just decided to start with their old sk roster to see if it works today. If it does , great. If it doesn't , well time to make changes

20%? bro its like 0.002%

That's not going to work. They are too old now and out of touch with the meta

20% chance? 0/8 1) There is not a 20% chance that they will reach top 5, and they being "legends" do not change anything other than the hype. Astralis won 4 majors and multiple tournaments, but they are still, currently, on the 19th place of the HLTV rank. 2) I don't watch much CS so I can't really say your point is wrong, but I still don't think this meta will do much for them. Coldzera, Fallen, Fer and FNX are all past their prime. With this 4 players, I don't think the team will do nearly as well as SK did, not today. 3) Well I mean, this article said that the "Big Brazilian Reunion" is bad, so saying that "they can make roster changes as they like" isn't really a point. You are saying that the team, even if this lineup fails, can still be good with roster changes, but you aren't defending the brazilian reunion that this article is talking about.

Only 5 teams are in the top 5 so there is a 20% chance of being one of those teams 5Head

2021-11-10 23:37

You either ARE on the top 5 or you AREN'T so there is a 50% chance 5Head

2021-11-10 23:47

XD XD xD

2021-12-02 04:04

NA OPINION

I hope this team comes to fruition because it'll be easy money betting against them

They know their careers are over, might as well go for the last cash grab before they retire, all the brasileiros will gobble it right up.

Come to brazil striker

Lunatic

I dont think that this team is meant to win something, because 3 +30 yo and 1 washed, i think this move is just for money and hype

+1 Cs becomes very difficult to play when reflexes are not good.

ahahhaahahh

2021-11-10 19:56

They don't have a big chance of success

oof

old guys club br

2021-11-10 19:57

Nostaliga attacks usually period before retirement. Nothing but expected "on turn" news.

This is literally a "old friends close to retirement coming together for one last dance". This is not a bad move or decision. No one expects them to win majors or t1 events. This is like a novelty pre-retirement friends getting together thing. Anyone hating on it is just not looking at it from the right angle.

who cares

it's been almost 6 years since then and brazilians are still going at it for no reason, they would definitively be a marketing machine but as a cs proyect i don't see them beating top teams ever, time has been hard on them and the way they play the game it's not the same as they are used to, probably a lot of clashing of styles since half of them played on EU/NA and the other half just played mostly on brazil, maybe we could be wrong, but there is no reason to have the highest hopes for them. Also, we don't know on what region they are going to play which is a HUGE factor on their success as well.

LUCID HLTV

2021-11-10 19:58

This comment section is a gold mine

So much coping KKKK

absolutely. so many mad brazilians

thanks for your opinion, bye

#goG3X!

Facts. Washed br noobs will just waste everyones time.

Who cares we just wanna look how it goes

We all know hot it will go

Delete the comment pls

No, why would I?

Cuz u bully 😡😤👊

cold+fallen+fer+fnx= 8 majors hltv= 0 major :)

Thanks for the column mr Striker. I like this kind of content. Also just let the guys do whatever they have in mind. What could be the worst can happen? They're big names, they move big fanbases, that means THEY MOVE THE SCENE AND THE ESPORT, especially now that a lot of fanboys are hurt because there's a lot of people moving into Valorant or other games. EDIT: typo

2021-11-10 20:02

"Opinion"... if the brazilian CS depended on the opinion of foreigners, we wouldn't have 2 majors.

11 replies

So people can't give an opinion, nice.

BREAKING NEWS!!! NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY OPINIONS CONCERNING BRAZIL ANYMORE

What has BR scene done since?

ate the anus of curious

I said no? The problem people make is an opinion, a fact.

this is clearly not fact, it's just his opinion..

your're right!

2021-11-10 20:42

the dumbest phrase I've ever seen

2021-11-10 20:49

You serious? Did BR fans already forget that when these guys qualified for their first major their org didn't have money to travel and it was flusha who basically bought them tickets? He had an opinion that they proved themselves enough and don't deserve to miss on this chance. It's quite possible that you wouldn't even have an international presence rn if not for that fact.

2021-11-10 21:16

Didn't know about this story, now that's really a classy move ! Always liked Flusha, always was one of the most entertaining players to watch : great skill, awesome gamesense , and a first grade troll too :)

2021-12-02 04:09

They’re not depending on them are they? It’s just an opinion piece which shows a way to look at things

who cares... this reunion is just to make money smh

hltv posting opinion pieces now, ah shit here we go again

Opinions are the cheapest thing in the universe

What do you want to say with that?

2021-11-11 00:56

Reuniting former top teams is like going back to your ex - you might be drawn back by the good memories but after a short while you remember why it didn't work out in the first place.

why will fnx stop sex with 10 women a day to play with nerds? Anyway, this team will not work. Fnx and FalleN 30 years old, fer 29 years old and washed coldzera. If any org hires them, it's because of marketing $$$ and nothing else

2021-11-10 20:05

i love elige

Nice article. Fallen + cold in the same team ok, but Brazilians are deluded with fer and fnx... no chance in tier 1

CANALHAS! JAMAIS IMPEDIRÃO O BRASILSÃO

+1111

2021-11-10 20:12

device lists the best CS players of all time in tiers (NIP player put ''coldzera'' as Tier S) Considered one of the greatest players in Counter-Strike history, the Danish Nicolai "dev1ce" Reedtz has four Majors in the account, in which two of them won the MVP (Most Valuable Player) award. A key part of Ninjas in Pajamas, the AWPer "made a tiered list of the best CS:GO players" of all time. In partnership with betway, the Dane had to put the following players on a tiered list: Marcelo "coldzera" David, Gabriel "FalleN" Toledo, Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen, Denis "electronic" Sharipov, Jonathan "EliGE" Jablonowski, Robin "flusha" Rönnquist, Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg, Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund, Ladislav "GuardiaN" Kovács, Jesper "JW" Wecksell, Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer, Håvard "rain" Nygaard, Richard "shox"and Paple, s1mple" Kostylyev, Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski, Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut, Kenny "kennyS" Schrub and Freddy "KRIMZ" Johansson. TIER''S'': coldzera; dev1ce; dupreeh; forest: olof: s1mple TIER''A'': fallen; electronic; choose; get_right; kennyS; Niko; shox; snax; zywoo TIER''B'':flusha, guardian, jw; krimz; rain AWPer was humbled by putting him in the top tier of the tier and commented that he "needed no explanation" for the choice. The list has been split between Tier S, A, B, C and D... (dev1ce opinion has value, your opinion is the opinion of a person who does not have the qualification and property to spread...) 🤫🤫🤫🤫

s1mple in the same tier as dupreeh and no zywoo lol Should tell you all what is needed about the value of this opinion

I don't know man, ask dev1ce... maybe you're better and know more than dev1ce....''the rat''... lmao 🤣🤣

2021-11-11 04:53

lmao what a wall fo text name totally checks out

suddenly you know, play and are more respected than dev1ce... you better go to sleep because you proved here that you are a stupid imbecile... omegalulllllll

2021-11-11 04:52

Even though i dont understand what u re talking about, i wish u a good day!

2021-11-11 18:29

Wow an opinion column, nice

I agree that this team is gonna be dogshit, but to me it just seems like the four of them are quite literally gonna have a "Last Dance", they're gonna play together to have fun and then retire

We dont care about your opinions. Bring more statistics and less opinions.

they just wanna have fun playing with friends while making a shitton of money, there's nothing wrong with that no one in their right mind would have fer and fnx in their team in 2021 and expect good results

Opinion articles ?? are without news

I'm brazilian and I agree. Of course I would love to see them joining together again and winning everything, but I know it won't be like that anymore. 1 - Fallen - Maybe the only one (or Cold too) that can keep up in tier 1, but more of a IGL thing now. Just 1-2 years until he retires and becomes a coach (He'll probably be an excellent one btw). 2 - Coldzera - Hard person to deal with. Nothing but a shell of what he was in his prime and he made clear this last years that he can't shine without a support sacrificing himself, like Taco did for him. 3- Fer - Nothing like he was before, lacks motivation and dedication. Maybe he can play at tier 2-3. 4- Fnx - For god's sake. He was a beast, but he's not even professional anymore. Months ago he was participating at a reality show... We have to see the truth. Time moves on, and they're all consecrated major winners in the end of their careers. It's an e-sport with miliseconds reflexes. Eventually, young people will show up and take over.

For me, the line would be like this, fer, fallen, coldzera, Stewie2K, it's one more, fnx you can see that fnx doesn't want csgo anymore but lots of money

Striker---I would say the exact opposite, now is the perfect time for these players to build a project. All 4 players are beyond the age an organization would offer a multi-year contract. They have all won on the biggest stage. Would you rather try and find a fringe tier1 team to say you 'still have it', or live out the remaining years you can still compete playing with your friends. Transitioning to a coach is publicly admitting you ain't got it, something these egos can't do. Given the size of the growing Brazil market, they will certainly command a lot of attention, regardless of output. And maybe there's a larger motive....to build a new organization. While it's hard to imagine a world where those 4 egos would implicitly be 'ok with sucking', why not ride the hype of your past success while basically being your own boss? Sounds like a nice pre-retirement plan.

Good content. Opinion pieces are content HLTV has been missing IMO. As on the subject, quartet is not going to make top-10. Like said in the article, veterancy of these players should be used to help young players... No-one wants a repeat of what happened to Swedish scene.

THE LAST DANCE IS REAL, SO MUCH HYPE

seniors and furious

hltv saying something smart mad brazilian in 3, 2, 1...

All I want to say is... Striker is based for making this.

2021-11-10 20:15

the only thing why this last dance is bad is because last dance is supposed to bring back players from (semi)retirement for one more time. fallen himself said he still has a few years of pro cs ahead of him. also cold has no reason to retire yet. btw striker sorry that i didnt read the whole article yet. maybe you already made this point

we brazilians wanna see them together one last time, we dont care if they will lose

you say that now but after they lose there will be a lot of hate

COME TO BRAZIL STRIKER

I think the "last dance" is fitting to use here but age depends upon the professional player... Can't really say much for Coldzera because he has hardly played recently but f0rest is still fragging out of his mind in his 30's.

jonty right as always

2021-11-10 20:25

What a bunch of crap. Teaming up for those players doesn't mean that they aim for top 10 or something like that. They will make an org richer right from the start. Then, they will gather a heck lot of fans, being nostalgic or not, that gonna cheer for them. Stream views will be higher than never, and the players themselves will have fun playing with their friends. I don't know what is to be lost. They don't need to win a Major. They already did it. Twice.

i couldnt say any better +1

I truly like Fallen and I don't want to see him in an absolute dogshit, tier 4 team. He must stay in Liquid or find any other decent org. Making a brazilian team now would be the end of his career. Coldzera and Fallen are nowhere near their peak performance but they can still somewhat deliver.

why stay on a team where the fans always blame fallen when they loss?

who cares about what the fans say? He's doing a good job. The real question is why forming a brazilian team? when you have the best brazilian players already in orgs? for what? to make some quick hype that dies after the inevitable losses that will come with It? I don't want to see Fallen there. He's a legend and he doesn't deserve It.

2021-11-10 20:28

they simply wanna play together that is all. quick note: i dont believe in a sk last dance, i think they will go with: fallen cold stewie +2 players and if they go to col peacemaker will coach

spittin fax

2021-11-10 20:22

ahahaha Brazilians mad lmao

great article. is this the start of a trend to more editorial/op-ed content on HLTV in addition to the usual fare of news, highlights and interviews? i think it's a nice idea, it would be cool to get some guest contributors such as coaches, casters, former pros etc. (not thorin) to contribute too

2021-11-10 20:23

It's an even worse idea than the idea of "resurrecting an ancient brand namely MIBR would magically save the dwindling performance of the lineup" That also, was comedy.

at this point i dont care if they will win anything, just wanna see the guys playing together thats all

ahahahahahaha I'm enjoying reading these comments.

it IS a bad idea but it will be lit as fuck

I think everyone knows the roster will disappoint but I guess BR fans will enjoy the one last ride and whatever comes out of it.

Very good article, he spoke the truth and It's not hate towards BR CSGO at all, It is more of a piece of advice but of course most of the comments coming from brazilians are pure hate lmao, expected from them though, they excel at malding.

Striker men), better hire some security guys to be safe ! i cant imagine your twitter dms :D You are brave ! Big up for this post

Cope lul Will be top 1

Coldzera, out of its prime, is still better than any Swedish promise, that's not an opinion, it's a fact, that is, Coldzera is good enough to beat younger players who don't redeem a bit of what is expected in major. It's hypocritical that you want to compare Coldzera with their Major Champion team, with Coldzera without their Major Champion team.

Fnx is still a beast man

2021-11-10 20:30

lmao they are probably trying to steal some paychecks before retirement I'd imagine fallen's contract with TL is short and about to end cold doesn't have a team (coL are signing CPH Flames, he's out 100%) the others are simply washed up, in fact every single one of them is the same, my honest opinion but in the end I still would like to see this happen

any source on Col signing Flames? The roumor is CoL to sign Furia

it's just rumors, coL benched all their players and put them on transfer list hltv.org/news/32687/es3tag-and-jks-trans.. and Flames did very well at the major, seems plausible to me and many others that a big org like coL would sign them as to coL signing Furia, that will never happen dude, Furia just spent a shitton of money on this: hltv.org/news/32604/furia-big-heroic-ent..

Im fully aware of the articles you linked, but where is the roumor? Is it just something you think will happend or is it accually a roumor?

>Is it just something you think will happend or is it accually a roumor? yeah, everyone on this site is saying that

2021-11-10 21:07

well just because it makes sense, does not mean is a roumor

fnx and fer both washed up. fallen and cold are decent but couldnt carry these brazilian bots. wouldnt even be top 40 team.

who cares about HLTV's opinion LOL XD

Well since 330 ppl bothering reading and comment about it, ppl do care :)

i do

2021-11-10 20:55

Apparently u do

i actually do :( wanted to see them together but yes the best option would be to not reunite for sure

i said in another thread but it would be cool to see them reunite as a non-serious thing and just play together, but trying to perform in tournaments is a waste they should be teaching young BR players instead

yes, if they're gonna reunite they should just do it in a showmatch or something like that at the end of their carrer, but bet the rest of your carrer (a short time) in a team like that expecting to win something would be just dumb

Opinião de cu é rola. Espone maldito. Google traslete It => especialista de porra nenhuma.

I don't think we can compare this to Dignitas because Dig, from the start, was supposed to be just the ol' boys having fun in T2, while this brazilian "last dance" wanna pretend to be a competitive team

Dig was better than most people give them credit for. It was a bad way to start a team (after like 2 months prep halzerk wasn’t available for visa issues, lasted months due to lockdown) then they came back struggling, but they still beat at the time a #1 rated fnatic. They did kind meh for a while though. If we assume these players haven’t gotten significantly worse (which they really haven’t, the competition just caught up) and they can get back the team composition they had before, maybe they could do decent

They haven't gotten worse ? LUL You must not have seen them play much in 2016-2017 then. Fallen was an awp god with monster reflexes and coldzera's aim litterally 3x better than now. Both were also outrageous clutchers. Fer was a very good aggressive rifler and top 10 player and fnx a top player too with great clutching. Now Fallen can't hit a flick to save his life and decided that instead of awping he would rather throw flashes, drop rifles and play FAMAS. Cold's aim has been embarassing and it looks like he can't have decent numbers without his official jack, TACO, baiting for him. Fer, on top of not caring and rivaling cold in toxicity/ego during the late stages of his tier 1 tenure , has now disappeared in the limbos of t3-4 CS. His style of pushing non stop is oudated AF and he was getting chained punished for it, back then when he still played relevant CS. And finally fnx, who is now a reality TV 'star' hasn't played in years, and got kicked from his own project after a few scrims ( by kng and co ) back then because he was bad AF... XD Look like they have gotten significantly worse to me. Which won't be helped by the fact that top team have gotten significantly better in the same timespan...

2021-12-02 04:34

Lets hope they prove everyone wrong

nt, it's gonna be best br team

Ok... I had to create an account just to post it here ... Im not a Journalist, im a medical doctor that uses HLTV to follow CS news since ever ... Striker... first of all, isn't this a news website ? if we wanted opinions we would follow you on twitter ... I don't see other big journalists posting their opinions on their websites .. they usually use their YouTube channels or twitter accounts. Anyway just a heads up ... ill have to continue following since you hold a monopoly on your hands so you should have more responsibility. Second, you stated on twitter that "People will quickly stop giving a damn if you don't have the results." as a counter argument for not mentioning market value and so on. Well, from my small perspective, entertainment has nothing to do with results, it is based on your ability or talent in being able to provide entertainment. As proof I can use yourself as the best example where you peak a maximum of 3 to 5k viewers on twitch when you do HLTV confirmed or even when you tried to do the watch party for the complexity match while Shroud gets 20k on any random match, or even Gaules gets 100k while opening CS card packs. Im sorry you just dont have the talent for it ... but you are a great Journalist, so you should keep at it, maily focusing at giving us news rather than biased opinions that wont change anything. The Brazilian community doesn't care about results, numbers, HLTV ratings, we care about being passionate for the game we love. Players are the ones that should care if they are going to win something or not ... but were talking about the most successful core in BR counter-strike history, they already achieved what they wanted and they don't need to prove anything else to anyone. We will only know if it will work after they get together, and even so, it will probably make more money for the organization than any major titles will ever profit them... so we can all agree that it is totally plausible for it to happen.

Bro did you even read the article? He clearly states that his opinion is purely from a view of competition and that the move would probably be really good from a business/nostalgia point of view. Nowhere does he mention the probability with which it will happen. Jesus the people in this thread should read the article before commenting...

2021-11-10 21:52

Bro, the title reads "Opinion: Why the big Brazilian reunion is a bad idea". Those be fighting words unless that the point. Striker goes in great length to prove why they wouldn't be t1 competitive, but that in itself doesn't make the reunion a 'bad idea'. Even if you polled the yahoo's on this site--most people would agree the 'reunion' won't be a competitive t1 team. So writing a lengthy opinion article proving that point is rather silly. And with a rather misleading title, you're only provoking fans like malor. I wish HLTV.org spent more time analyzing the business side of the competitive scene. When I'm trying to think, for example, the next move Liquid will take---I want to know the current player contracts(as much detail as known), what ownership does the org have in certain tourney's, etc. That's a huge factor in trying to piece together future moves.

loved your flair <3 xd

2021-11-11 00:53

Tyty. I hope they'll make it big. The NA region needs a revival for that to happen though.

2021-11-11 10:06

+1, F for NA CS

2021-11-12 05:07

All this guy understood is that Striker called them washed up (in this essence he's correct) Talking about viewers, Gaules, HLTVconfirmed..who cares when all we will see is 4 legends embarrassing themselves once again? Just like the MIBR org does right now

2021-11-11 03:50

One last dance indeed. Players such as cold or Fer may have chances signing for other tier 2 teams but players such as FalleN and FNX honestly I think are just giving it one last try before retiring, they have been in the whole CS scene for so long that of it wasn't this, they would be retiring for sure. Top 20 material if they get it together

Everyone can see that reuniting the Br team is a stupid idea It might make merch money worth it if they really don't want to compete anymore.

Your thinking as an ''analyst'' is outdated, it's time to study more.

2021-11-10 20:39

Yes, they are not in their prime, but I love them! I'm s1mple fan, but I love the old SK/MiBR etc. They are e-gladiators who want to die in the Arena! Respect them! Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant!

>They are e-gladiators who want to die in the Arena! Respect them! Yeah no. They want to make money playing a videogame while others do something useful as a living.

2021-11-10 21:53

I mean, what do you think is useful in life? Life doesn't matter, we give meaning to life, we r all going to the same place. We are all in the same boat, like ants, bees.. Choose your species... Let the kids earn their life playing if this makes them happy. I'm sure you can't.

2021-11-10 22:11

Yeah I'm shit at videogames and have to study rn for an exam tomorrow to make a living and I'm salty that I can't. Spot on actually. My point still stands, they aren't "legendary gladiators", they are average people looking to make a living off of something they know well, but aren't super good at anymore.

2021-11-10 22:20

Maybe the team will go wrong, but not because of nostalgia or whatever emotional stuff. They arent in their prime, but the is more than just winning, is to work with professional cs and feeling good about themselfs. But yeah, the chances to be a major winner (again) is low, for reasons that many teams will have. They are not good enough right now.

2021-11-10 20:48

Brazilians, we as a community must stop paying attention to these situations. They will always find a way to attack us, even disguising their opinion, have any of you ever seen HLTV give an opinion? They can't stand the fact that we're the strongest when it comes to media, engagement, they can't stand the fact that we were once at the top, it's us to us, and they huddle like rats, looking for the crumbs we throw.

+1111111111

2021-11-10 20:57

F Striker

this will be a big meme after the dream team fallen cold fer fnx boltz wins another major

2021-11-10 20:52

I hate Striker because he hate s1mple. Striker is the shit wo give ZywOo the #1 in 2020. One week ago, before NaVi won the Major he sucked ZywOo's dick: "half online Grand Slam is shit". Striker is shit!

2021-11-10 20:53

Tgwri1s makes the players' top20, not striker

2021-11-10 22:07

Sorry, not Striker said "half online...", Professeur was. Striker is a good guy!

2021-11-12 22:12

low quality bait

2021-11-10 20:54

Striker is a chad

We don't expect a major or a big championship, we just want to be happy. Let the boys play together, they aren't the best today, but we love to watch them and maybe this part you can't understand if you aren't brazilian. Competitively speaking couldn't be the best option but let us dream, let us have our Last Dance.

but that's exactly the main point i guess, we as a fanbase want to see them playing together and have fun watching it, but that's not their goal, they want to reunite to win tournaments, what i believe it's not gonna happen. If we really love the players, we should first look at how that affect them and put their feelings over ours, we don't want to see them sad and depressed after having their expectations broken

;( why u doing us like that, Striker?

As a brazilian and a CS fan, i have to agree with everything said above, Both Fallen and Cold still have their ways to keep playing in high level, but they aren't able to carry the others anymore, Fallen + Cold with some brazilians skilled guys would be better, But i personally don't think it'd be a great move for Fallen since he is in a great org with great players around him, Maybe get Cold to liquid be a good idea as a stewie replacement, Although they need to solve the communication problems in liquid!

HLTV farming BR engagement here

Its only a money farm

UHOH

2021-11-10 21:00

The part of this Last Dance that non brazilians dont get is that this lineup doesnt just represent one more brazilian team trying to win tournaments, it's very emotional too see those guys that basically created the brazilian cs cenario playing and finishing their careers together. Every kill of coldzera, every clutch of fnx, every rush of Fer means a lot.

Cool, but time took its toll and nobody can turn back the hands of time.

2021-11-10 21:22

But the point is not winning big tournaments, we just want to watch them play, that's it

That's cool and all, but there's also people who don't. For a good reason. The MIBR revival already didn't work, like at all, so why would this be a good idea?

2021-11-11 17:20

well, if you don't want to watch them play you simply don't watch their games and all is good hahahah I don't want to watch mouz playing, for example, that does not mean the team shouldn't exist, right?

2021-12-06 06:51

What are you even on about? And why are you butthurt? I'd love to watch them, but they're waaaaay beyond their prime. This is just another soon-to-have-failed-attempt to recreate Nostalgia.

2021-12-09 20:21

I'm not butthurt at all dude hahaha you said that there would be people who wouldn't want to watch them play, as this would be a reason to this project not being a good idea, which don't make any sense. Literally all the teams in the world have people who don't want to see them play. If "there being people who don't want to see a team play" would be a reason for the team not existing then we would have literally 0 teams in any kind of sport. Sports are driven by the people that DO want to watch them, and I assure you that this team would instantly have hundreds of thousands of fans. Also, you say that it wouldn't last long, but how do you expect a bunch of near retirement 30 y.o. players to be in any kind of long term project at all? Have you never seen near retirement football players who return to their home country to end their carrers around people they love and grew up with? This is kinda the same, it makes total sense.

2021-12-10 06:02

neymar 5th player

2021-11-10 21:01

He would be Their star player

2021-11-10 21:06

crying about lags after every loss haha

2021-11-10 21:09

it will be funny to see who is washed up the most and gets replaced first lol

Truth has been said. Fer and FNX are retired, a mere shadow of a distant past... Terrible idea, whose results won't go beyond the hype of seeing these names together

Based HLTV

why hltv spent his time foy write this sh*t ??? IT'S JUST RUMOUR

2021-11-10 21:10

+1 I hope those players just retire already

2021-11-10 21:11

What are people saying Fallen cant kill? Did y'all see the major, out of some breakout games by Elige, I saw him in the top of the scoreboard a lot of times. Was GODSENT Bad? Yes. Did they beat the unbeatable Astralis in Train? Yes. Stop comparing cases, they clearly fell off due to personal reasons, not because they played together before. Will this team win a major? Probably not, but they are all in "bad form" and playing with their roots again might be the confidence they need to get back to top form, if it's one last dance just to have some fun and possibly win something, I don't see anything against it.

This reunion is not about winning majors, but about nostalgia, attracting viewers, sponsors and bigger pay. I thought it was kind of obvious, but judging by the article and a lot of comments here, it wasnt.

2021-11-10 21:13

+1 I don't expect them to achieve anything, but I'll be interested in watching them play anyway

Based

most washed up team in history

2021-11-10 21:14

I can see fer, cold and fallen working out. fnx being added would be a joke of very bad taste.

they can do whatever they want, they've made history already. It is a great advice though. i hope it happens, it would be cool for them and for our scenario, we only have FURIA now at a higher level, and this could be good for a pre-retirement action, nice move from them, it would be nice to see fnx in this lineup, shut up hltv.org

2021-11-10 21:17

Honestly, it's less about them competing to be the number 1 team and more about having a team for people to cheer for and have fun together so who cares?

+1 the problem is, will people keep cheering after repeating losses?

2021-11-10 21:58

It's been years since the last time fallen won something important in CS and he is still my favourite player BY FAR. Haters will pop up? Sure. But the true fans are just happy that they are getting together (IF this really happens, which I'm not yet convinced)

2021-11-10 22:40

It seems that it became fashionable to say the obvious

2021-11-10 21:18

they know they aint winning shit except for brazilbet.com liga cup 4 striker, what have you done?

2021-11-10 21:19

Striker based

Why? Cause its Brazil cs. If not Furia then br cs would be like polish rat cs already is

I have my doubts about this core but you take any two out of four and build a team around them adding 3 young talents it could work

They are playing for fun, getting top30 is not an immediate goal for this team

amazing article striker, hope fallen sees it and stop being delusional it will NOT work no matter how hard they try. FalleN should just stick with a young line up and create new legends for Brazil. FURIA is on the way so why not more brazilian teams? Brazil was one of the countries who carried this major's viewership i'm pretty sure we have tons of good players that can play at highest level in the future.

BIG is waiting

NO FNX NO MAJOR!

2021-11-10 21:25

Fallen and coldzera could work. Fnx and fer I dont think so.

2021-11-10 21:29

If the Brazilian needed an outside opinion, we would never win 2 majors

2021-11-10 21:32

This team will be made to get 200k on twitch vs any tier 5 ESEA Advanced team... imagine how much merch they will sell, their engagement on social media, their numbers when playing vs EU teams... this team will bring a lot in terms of content (for bad and for good), they are not aiming to be a top5 team again for sure. If the Last Dance don't happen: fnx will keep streaming, fer will keep losing with 00Nation, cold and FalleN will join other international teams and will be blamed for any bad thing that happens on their teams. if the Last Dance happen: all the things on my 1st paragraph. So, it's a win-win situation for everyone, maybe not for cold because he could crack a spot on a top 15 team maybe, but for the others involved, it will only bring benefits. Not to mention their new org will get a MASSIVE BOOST (followers/subscribers/likes/comments/retweets/merch) once they sign the old SK core.

2021-11-10 21:33

zikou

it's not going to be a team to win championships that's for sure. it will be a team for Brazilians to buy shirts and cheer like never before.

Exactly, business are business. Esports is just another one.

2021-11-10 21:44

fallen igl/second awp colzera goat fer rifle luca1 rifle hen1 awp goat

-Lucas1 +KSCERATO and they might actually make playoffs at a tournament.

2021-11-10 21:54

dignitas failes because of covid online era ... :/

2021-11-10 21:45

Do you really think it would have worked on lan? 😃 meta and game changes fast, what nip did in 2012-2014 is far from now

2021-11-10 21:49

well not entirely, but I am quite sure that if they made it on lan, they probably would have found an other level of motivation

f0rest made a huge mistake joining them. He was good enough to hold his own in tier 1. Friberg currently struggling in tier 3. I expect the Brailians to do better than Dignitas. I mean they can't do any worse...

2021-11-10 22:38

f0rest joined because of his friends, that mattered more to him. at least hist wife and him saying that in the mini documentary series back than.

2021-11-11 17:07

Dignitas CEO maybe had the attention to get top 20. But the team itself knew they wouldn't. I dunno why Striker put it in the article. Flusha said once after he took his break after Katowice Major when people asked why he doesn't make a team with Pronax he said sth like "It worked 2015 but things that worked back then not work today" And that is just it. No need to write a whole article about the stupidity of some Brazil pro players that never finished any math class.

no taco no win

yeah, the most success they can provide is lose 2:1 to Wisla Krakow in some loot.bet online series no hope for this roster

So statistically it has almost no chances to work. Meanwhile, teams with bunch of young players and 1-2 veterans shine, Vitality has worked before RPK left, Gambit skyrocketed with Hobbit and you can make more examples of such teams that have worked or still work. Point being, veterans who are less egoistic are done pretending they are stars and they are willing to play anything in order to win. Hobbit is doing amazing, but I bet you he'd trade all his stats for more wins, cause he plays for those, not for his own MVP or rating. I guess not everyone becomes wise with age. There is also a money side, they can likely get bunch of sponsors instantly and just play average games and earn bunch of money just from existing in the scene. And they are likely to do fine in Brazil and NA regions, enough for sponsorships. If they step onto EU soil they'll get KO'd.

You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. You are compairing hobbit, who is 27 and is still in age to play tier 1 cs, with this brazilian guys who are almost all into their 30s already, some of which are already retired. They clearly don't care about results at this point in their careers, they won what they wanted, they gave what they had in them. They just want to have fun together one last time before they retire for good, and also as a fan service, since the brazilian community is dying to see them together one last time. And nobody is giving a fuck about their possible results. If they win something, great; if not, that's was not the point lol. And if you think they are doing it for the money you really dont understand how big they are in Brazil. Money REALLY is not a problem for them. They earned millions in prize money and invested their money quite well. They are all really rich at this point, but they still stream almost everyday, just for fun and to interact with fans. And in their streams they never push merch, or ask for donations, or anything. They even refuse donations sometimes, or redirect them to charity. Funny that you talk about wisdom as if they are doing something stupid...but in the end they are pursuing something that will make both them and their fans really really happy. In the end, isn't that the point in life?

2021-11-10 22:29

No, it's you who did not understand what I said as I never directly compared Hobbit or any other player against each other. There is no proof it will make them happy, it could be like going back to your toxic ex for which after all those years you thought he/she is no longer toxic cause you only remember the good things. As for streaming, if you do not stream for 2 weeks you are no longer relevant in streaming world. That is simple as that, your viewer count tanks, your income drops by orders of magnitude. They stream cause it is a big revenue source, they stream while they can before they retire from CS. It's what you do in 20's and early 30's, you overwork your self, fuck your health up and hope you've made enough to make it work. As you made such outlandish conclusions I could parallel you with Cathy Newman and her famous "so you are saying that...." interview that backfired - I did not say they are doing something stupid. But they are also not doing something that is likely to be successful, making it not a very smart move overall either. While on some imaginary scale it lands closer to stupid than smart - it still serves a purpose. Just not a championship purpose, in my eyes it is most likely going to be for the money. Whoever roots to see them one more time is going to be disappointed in any case, both if this team is assembled or not. Cause even if they put this team together - they are going to suck hairy tits and likely to fall apart faster than it got assembled. I want to see it work tho, but all stats in this world suggest it won't. It will work for selling merch so sponsors will hop on even if results are as crap as we all expect them to be. There is no way in hell they beat top 50 tho.

2021-11-11 01:08

I disagree with basically every paragraph of your text. "there is no proof it will make them happy..." - They are definitely the best ones to talk if that is true or not, and that is literally what THEY themselves said. Not me. Both fallen and cold said on streams and interviews recently. If you think you know better what makes them happy then you can take your opinions to them hahaha "As for streaming..." - About streaming, I would agree with you if we were talking about people who see streams as income, which is not the case, as I said before. It is pretty clear that they do not stream for the money. As a proof of what I said, cold rarely streams. Fallen a little bit more nowadays, but in the past (few months ago) he also use to stream really rarely. Fer didn't stream at all (until he became free agent and had more time, but when he went to play in 00nation he stopped again, even though he was playing basically for free), etc. They just stream when they are on vacation or something. They do it because they like to interact with the fans and as a way to remain active when they have spare time. As I said before, they donate most of the income they make on streams (I guess you refuse to read it before, or maybe just forgot when writing your text). "as you made such outlandish..." - not worth responding to that. "whoever roots to see them..." - very wrong. As I said before, AGAIN, most brazilians who want to see them together are not expecting trophies. There's been community poles on the biggest brazilian youtube csgo channels and they all indicate the same thing: pretty much all brazilians want to see them together one last time, and the majority of the fans don't think they can win big tournaments (or any tournaments at all). As I said, the fans just want to watch them play together one last time, that's why people are calling it "Last Dance" here in Brazil.

2021-12-06 07:13

dev1ce said in his interview that he is moving to NiP because he wants to be No1 player in the world, point being that people say anything in interviews, no matter how delusional it is. Brazilian fans will not be pleased with 30% win rate of the team, sure, hype is there, but it has been done before where old players gathered to do it again and after first 1-3 matches everyone forgot about it because they were bad and dismantled by everyone. As passionate about CS as they are, Brazilians are not stupid, no one is having any fun when they are loosing way more than winning and there is no more wins in sight. Meaning they will get disqualified from everything easily, meaning Brazilian fans would not get to watch them at all. And then toxic minority will start to do the "I told you so" kind of thing, everyone will talk trash on the bird app and that's about it. It is very likely that they will be so bad that no one will ever see them play. Making all those fans who want to see them really sad. And people tend to forget about sad things in life. No one will say it in a few years "yo, remember how cool was it when they reunited". It's just a fart in the wind, if Fallen was a people pleaser to make a team that community wants he would not be an IGL imo has to be about the money from sponsors as I just cannot see it working, not just for the team, but for the fans too because fans will never see their team play. Last but not least, reunion of every show that ever existed was crappy and vibe was not there. But it pays a lot....

2021-12-06 11:15

Let's just agree to disagree then, this has been going on for too long hahaha I have nothing more to say that I haven't already said

2021-12-08 07:10

It's going to be a new dignitas-like project. It won't be made to win tournaments, it'll be a marketing gimmick and it will work. They'll sell merch, move lots of followers and boost vieweship of shit games.

People will lose Intrest fast if they don’t win anything

2021-11-11 00:58

if we look at the results of the brazilian teams and then look at their following, this team'd have to be really realllyyyyyyyyy bad for that to happen imo.

2021-11-11 01:16

What do you consider really bad ?

2021-11-11 01:19

Consistently losing in esea main division or some low league like that. And even then gaules would be streaming those games and there'd be lots of people watching. Brazilians are passionate af and their community is huge, look at the traction that any post about the brazilian scene had compared to any other news.

2021-11-11 01:23

Well partly because it’s critical…. But yeah they surely won’t sink that deep and what org would be interested in them then!

2021-11-11 01:29

Did you really need to do a post to say this? Who cares if it doesn't work? Most brazilians only want this for meme reasons and nostalgia, most of us don't expect good results. Let the players and everyone else be happy. Sorry, I just don't remember seeing such irrelevant "news" on HLTV before. I actually thought this was going to be a much longer post talking about their possibilities.

exactly!!! it's so ridiculous, let them have it! Nobody expects them to be top1 again at this point. It's like going to the stadium to watch the last game Ronaldo played with Brazil: he was out of shape, fat, slow, but the stadium was packed 'cause he was a legend, people just wanted to watch him one last time. This post really is 100% irrelevant

-> having fun -> losing to t3 I can t see them having fun when they are losing to some t3 teams, they are all champions and etc. you always play for win as champion, at least that is how I see this reunion. both parties will get hurt..

2021-11-10 23:17

Losing in humiliating ways like 00 Nation against total randoms in qualifiers is very different from having fun. Correct.

Dude, they are in their 30s already, they probably just want to end their career in style, having fun and playing with the people they like to play the most (and also making a huge favor to brazilian fans who, overall, just want to watch them together one last time, no matter the results). Who are you guys to say it's a "bad idea"? If theyare happy playing together and the fans are happy to watch them together it's the BEST idea, tbh...

+1. They have won enough ... Much more than 99% of the virgens of hltv kekw. It's their lives and they do whatever they want ...

Why ruin something beautiful by bringing it back, like you will just literally ruin your good golden memories, it's like remake of your favourite childrens show/movie

Since when HLTV is not an impartial news site but rather a opinionated blog that happens to make post about news? oh wait yeah, bakc in 2018 when they were bought by a betting company. And before you reply "what all of that have anything to do with" is, that these "articles" are just shitty soap-opera-TV-drama-tier clickbait that nobody that is a serious journalist should ever do, journalist should be impartial and this obviously isnt.

2021-11-10 22:01

wdym there are tons of horrible and extremely biased journos who write total shit, this is way better than many others... Maybe low standard to live by though yes but I don't really see so big issue with article like this anyway.

And that is not real journalism, sure big tabloids and mainstream media write opinionated stuff but they shoudlnt, real journalism (like what HLTV was doing back in the day)is impartial, because the news are to inform, not to bias.

PAY ATTENTION: WE DON'T CARE IF THIS TEAM WINS. By the hipe a simple post creates and the quantity of comments, do you doubts this is a great plan? GO LAST DANCE

2021-11-10 22:02

Tjah, what is there to say. If they can work it out let them have fun i guess

- said Milan Švejda, an international nobody in the counter strike scene.

i dont get this mindset of "we dont care about the results", man if they get destroy by tier 2 teams you will care. because no one will enjoy watching their old and precious line up get stomp

We need such teams just for memes

2021-11-10 22:13

I agree that it’s not a good idea. However, that’s the first time ever I see a “opinion article” in this site. Is HTLV a BR hater? Lmao It almost made me want them to do it just to prove doubters wrong (even tho if the odds are 0.1%)

2021-11-10 22:14

Opinion article xD

since when are hltv mods allowed to have opinions?

the only br team that can win a major is FalleN cold yuurih KSCERATO +1 young skilled aim

> br team that can win a major > fallen

2021-11-10 22:24

Vouch

tldr; They are too old.

2021-11-10 22:22

twitter.com/HLTVorg/status/1458519099017.. Lmao

In my opinion, creating a team that will get 150k spectators on every tier99 match is an awesome idea.

2021-11-10 22:26

+1, so much money to make and so much people to entertain

2021-11-10 22:39

Pandem1c? Stockholm? Last Dance? Dude wake up, Today is the grand final! LG is destroying NAVI!

2021-11-10 22:32

:DDDDDD

2021-11-10 23:33

was kind of hyping cold and fallens reunion. but fer and fnx?? wtfff dont do this to yourselves

Yup. This.

2021-11-11 01:52

2021-11-11 08:56

We don't want titles, we want to see them play again! Simple as that for Brazilian fans.

2021-11-10 22:35

Right. First time they lose, the entire country will come crashing down on them; making fun, hateful comments, endless memes. And you know it's true.

2021-11-11 01:53

Here's a Brazilian roster that could fight in Tier-1: - Fallen - Coldzera - Yuurih - Kscerato - Felps

2021-11-10 22:36

They tried to get this team together in MIBR. Unfortunately Furia didn't want to sell. They like never winning anything, apparently.

2021-11-11 01:54

Godsent or current bravos core MIBR can become so much better with +fallen or fallen coach, maybe even become the next FURIA. Must be sad for BR scene to see him forming this retirement home team of washed up friends instead.

Last Meme

2021-11-10 22:41

here is why its bad... they are all washed up now

Did this argument come from HLTV? The same company that had Gambit in its TOP 1 for a long time and is now TOP 3? the Pro NET?, sorry but I discard all this opinion! #GOTheLastDance

2021-11-10 22:49

I'm pretty sure Gambit got 5 tournaments wins this year, together with a 3rd/4th place on the major and many other good placements. Their top 1 was deserved. I mean, will you really call a team who got 3rd place on the major (which was on LAN) "PronNETs"? And even if that was the case, what would you do, not update the ranks in the online era because some of the teams might only be good online? That doesn't make sense. Also, Gambit, the ranks and Online CS are NOT related to this discussion. If you disagree with Striker's opinion, either tell the reason, or just don't bring unrelated stuff into it.

2021-11-11 00:49

they need give main awp to cold if the wanna be best like in 2016 And probably kick fer

2021-11-10 22:56

I smell fear

2021-11-10 22:59

This guy will probably never step a foot in brazil ever again OMEGALUL

2021-11-10 23:15

why? stop demonizing us. it's just an opinion, he's in his right to express it. actually he's kinda right, but we all know bad ideas are sometimes good in the end. #623

2021-11-10 23:45

washed up reunion

2021-11-10 23:21

Striker "Backstabber of Brazilians" hltv

Opinion pieces on a stats site smh

2021-11-10 23:38

i want to see them try, it doens't matter the results or what reunions history says. it's their really last dance after all, good or bad, let's see how it goes.

they are too old for this

2021-11-10 23:46

Brasilian HONORIS

2021-11-10 23:50

i want it to happen just to save liquid, dont care if they never win a match together. i seriously think liquid can dominate again if they replace stewie and fallen

2021-11-10 23:53

With who

2021-11-11 04:18

fallen idk but -stewie +anyone with aim better than a mm dmg would be an upgrade at this point

2021-11-11 06:50

That's not much of an answer. Stewie is an extremely versatile player. Grim is a one role player and he plays like a bum when it really matters. If Liquid got tarik (who has experience playing in more supportive roles with great success), they'd be living the life. But they have this "star" NA player who is now showing themselves to not be so hot on the world stage.

2021-11-13 21:28

stewie is far worse than grim

2021-11-16 02:10

hltv.org/stats/players/matches/8797/stew.. hltv.org/stats/players/matches/13578/gri..

2021-11-16 04:22

Dignitas flashbacks

2021-11-11 00:05

if guys don't learn from their peers that moves like this are bad then take a look at what Ole did to his "legacy" at ManU as a PE teacher... from now on he is forever known as a FAILURE. part of becoming an adult and getting more mature is to know when to call it quits for good. This move will 100% end the same like NiP and godsent did.

2021-11-11 00:04

I believe!! Let the brasileirinhos dream!!! we can do it! no fnx no major

2021-11-11 00:15

THE BIG QUESTION WHO ASKED?

2021-11-11 00:27

dont worry delusional br4zil wont care as long watching their beloved players getting stomped by Izako boats or even honoris keekekeke

Striker is an ageism clown. Getting tired of this nonsense that no one can play past 24 years old. This team likely won't be good, but it's not because these guys are fucking geriatric. It's because many don't GRIND as they did when they hadn't made it. This isn't the fucking NFL or NBA striker, we move a mouse with our fucking hand. This is exactly why we don't see Oskar on a tier 1 team, despite clearly being better than many of these young, inexperienced, inconsistent AWPers. Because of low IQ opinions from our unfortunate talking heads in the industry. Does it hurt CSGO the industry to have these famous players still playing? No, it of course helps because the Brazilians are bringing viewers to the scene. Please retire, please. Get a job as a garbage man, or at McDonalds, either would be fitting.

2021-11-11 00:54

Does he say otherwise though? That they’re not less Grindy? Cuz I think that’s the general consensus

It's a common thread regarding the age. I watch and read all of hltv's content. It's a mentality that is just so stupid it's painful to read and has retired so many players early. I really hope some of these mid-20s gods like s1mple, Niko etc prove these asshats wrong one day. Get a real job bum!

People just have other priorities, not really something to be proven wrong

2021-11-11 01:17

I mean it's not ageism if it's true, people don't react or process information as quickly, and it matters in a game like this. When has a reunion of a long dead team ever worked? Remember when old fnatic reunited and it failed? Remember when retired NIP members joined dignitas and they couldn't break top 30 until they replaced a few of the veterans with newer players? Remember when adreN and mou joined K23, and the best they ever did was break top 30 for like a week? Sure, you can have like one older experienced player, some hobbit or rpk. You can have a zeus or apex being IGL, particularly in less fragging-intensive role. But if the average age of the team is like 28 then they will never find success

2021-11-11 04:35

You sound dumb LOL. Where is this pseudo science? Read a book or join Striker at McDonalds you bum

2021-11-11 16:18

Can you hear yourself? "Read a book" really? Since you seem to be so unhappy I'm going to guess either 1. you are a big old SK fan who is upset 2. or for whatever reason you feel offended on behalf of older players? Maybe this touched a nerve? Anyway, I'm right, you're wrong. This team will NEVER succeed. if cold and fallen join up with some young, hungry players they could probably achieve something, but if they reunite with washed, old players like fnx and fer they are making it transparent that they want to collect a paycheck and make money off of merch. I respect that actually if they just want to chill and enjoy their gradual retirement from the scene, but Striker is 100% correct that they won't win anything.

2021-11-12 03:39

Never forget wisla Krakow vs mibr

2021-11-11 01:18

You don't want Brazil great again. They'll reunite and will be world champions again. BRAZIL BEST COUNTRY OF THE WORLD.

2021-11-11 01:28

FalleN + Cold could get together with actual good new international players and make a final attempt at T1. This is just giving up.

Really sad to see an article like this. You see simillar posts on the forums. d-_-b If you want to post an opinion, do it on your twitter.

No you don't. No one ever puts thought into posts on HLTV except Jermaine Williamson

2021-11-11 04:17

Thats literally the reason why they doing this - to get as much money as possible from fans before retiring. They dont want to compete

2021-11-11 01:58

Who is sad is not anymore Who is sad is not anymore Forget the sadness, forget it!

dont remember caring or asking

2021-11-11 02:03

jealousy

2021-11-11 02:07

Fallen Cold Biguzera chello saffe top 1 omegalul

2021-11-11 02:13

Brazil 2 major in CSGO > Strike 0 Major

LUL

2021-11-11 04:50

Your opinion is dumb :O

we'll remember that when major coming by THE LAST DANCE

2021-11-11 02:38

thats a bad article, for real. just report the news, dont share the hltv opinion.

They should simply go hobbits way (yes, he is not that old). Find promising roster and improve them by their experience. Help youngsters grow. I still think Fallen in furia is possibility if drop won't look great.

2021-11-11 02:39

Actually not a bad idea.

An opinion piece.. leave it to real writers. You report CSGO you're not the nightly fucking news.

2021-11-11 03:08

to milan if he reads this. the guy who used to write most of these opinion articles used to keep it fairly clean, not much bashing and posted his opinions in a different way - for example instead of saying they dont have any chances at all it wouldve been preferrable if some question of the sort was applied: f.e. "Where do they go from here?" and expand from there. thats how proper journalism is made Please keep it neutral. this just looks like a partial judgement just to bash on them, close to a rant. theres other places more suited for that (in hltv these should remain in forums). if hltv news section starts heading in this direction its not a good idea imho

2021-11-11 03:31

BOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! *toss empty red plastic cup on stage*

This roster will disband in 2 weeks and they all (except coldzera) will retire after the shameful performances. Everybody knows fnx is undisciplined as fucking hell, coldzera is outdated and fer is washed up as fuck. This is mediatic bullshit.

2021-11-11 03:51

+11 well said

2021-11-11 04:11

This will end badly imo. Just like cogu said bringing back the mibr will just ruin their legacy and they ruined it.. Instead of going for the "nostalgia team" and "jobs for the boys" pack, fallen should seek the fresh talent out of the br scene and make a new competing roster that's hungry to win. But in the end of the day what do i know :D ..

2021-11-11 06:30

None of these points make sense

FACT: WHY THE BIG BRAZILIAN REUNION IS A BAD IDEA

2021-11-11 04:08

Same will happen like 00nation, people will hype this when the results wont come they will start hating team

2021-11-11 04:20

in this thread are 1. old SK fans who are butthurt 2. people against opinion pieces for whatever reason

2021-11-11 04:29

Brutal. Savage. Rekt.

2021-11-11 04:47

it's clearly a horrible idea but come on since when do you even write posts like this google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=s.. literally invented a new thing just to rant

2021-11-11 04:57

rip 2faced toledo tier3 max

2021-11-11 05:05

Opinion? More like fact

2021-11-11 05:10

all these brazilians triggered lol cold and fallen should bring fresh talents, not fer and fnx

2021-11-11 05:27

what if they rewrite the rules and defy your liming beliefs? that would be interesting at least they seem to believe something, lets find out better than doing nothing, what else should these players do in your opinion? just hang up the mouse and surrender into nothingness? please

2021-11-11 05:32

booooooooooooooooooooooooooo striker!

2021-11-11 07:17

- Fer + someone young and good

2021-11-11 07:23

Jason Lake must be drunk rn

2021-11-11 07:32

Pretty weird speculative article this

2021-11-11 07:47

lmfao if they win even 10 rounds against a top 4 team

2021-11-11 08:33

it never works. but it's a way for them to get a good salary

2021-11-11 08:59

Almost 800 comments XDD brazil triggered

2021-11-11 09:00

They are all finished players, cold & fallen included they will literally get no where - just trying to stay relevant

2021-11-11 09:16

if they do this right they can make MILLIONS of the br fans.... like myself

2021-11-11 10:03

Opinion: Why dating woman older than you is a bad idea? Because my friend once dated an old woman and she cheated on him. My other friend also dated an older woman and she was too busy and never had time for him. Me? I don't date anymore. I once dated... not real date. You know? Just online date. A long time ago. So that's just my opinion. You should not date old woman.

2021-11-11 10:22

Striker talking with 0 majors kkkkkkkkkkkk

2021-11-11 10:28

Competetively a bad idea but it would be quite nice to see these legendary players' reunion. They all are washed up anyways so they have nothing to lose.

2021-11-11 10:30

- fnx

2021-11-11 10:51

good article. i have no idea what expect from this team, but i'm always cheers for the core. since they left mibr, i didint watch brazillian cs scene

2021-11-11 11:20

ok, you do have a point. at the very least, i think they would get the biggest brazilian fan-base (or worldwide?) and they would be happier playing again. furthermore, at least top 30 isn't such a dream.

2021-11-11 11:33

I don't know if it will be a bad idea, but it would be very good for the Brazilian CS scene, it would give more visibility to the game.

2021-11-11 11:41

man, you just cant compare the sk and core with fnatic core, its way different, big hugs!

2021-11-11 12:08

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

2021-11-11 12:26

The fnx always ends up rising from the ashes

2021-11-11 12:29

this is the team guys: fallen coldzera yuurih kscerato hen1

2021-11-11 12:40

fallen and cold still at top levels! fer was good in 2017, but nowadays his cs is tier 2 fnx is not professional anymore, but he's natural talent taco, everybody knows... always 10/all fallen, cold and +3

2021-11-11 12:45

make brazil cs great again

2021-11-11 14:09

sad but true

2021-11-11 14:14

They need to add Deercheerup as fifth player Izi major

2021-11-11 14:35

Brazilians are extremely passionate about the history of the Brazilian CS, there's no way to say it's a bad idea, it's a grandiose marketing move and mainly something to promote the scene.

2021-11-11 14:55

IMO If arguing, do it against the idea and not against the person. The ''The last dance'' core is nothing but a hype and marketing big strat. You just need to see the stats, I agree that they can still play high level, but its not what we're seeing lately, actually, none of'em autograph stickers are available RN. As in my name, I'm not a hater, I'm just beeing realistic. Honestly, I would appreciate to see LG/SK line playing again, but I cannot imagine a world in wich they came as a #1 HLTV team again, winning majors and stuff like that, as the fans are wishing. I must say, if ''The last dance'' happens, just dont be mad with the guys if they if they dont meet your expectations.

2021-11-11 15:07

The hype it may generate, wont last longer enough to pay it self. Fallen and Cold are more than capable of competing in tier1. Fallen might feel its time to retire... 00Nation 2.0

2021-11-11 15:23

oh boy now this is a good article

2021-11-11 18:27

FER AND FNX PEPELAUGH

2021-11-11 19:00

ClickBait created successfully! Let the guys gather and have some fun together! The last dance is a dream, let us dream! We will cheer them up even if they don't bring any trophies.

2021-11-11 19:46

pepega clap

2021-11-11 19:50

Who cares about age in CSGO when we are talking about major champions Their life is dedicated to this game and they can still fight against top tier teams Maybe not from the start, but like 4-6 months

2021-11-11 20:06

This is for delusional Kids and Brazīllians fani tos, who think they have a chance, well they can max reach top10+ and its still a great result, dont get me wrong i love to see around 30yo still playing actively, but has to be realistic

2021-11-11 21:20

Beside the major final i havent watched a cs game in nearly 2 years...but this team...i will watch. king fnx!

2021-11-12 04:34

Aaaah deixa os garoto brincar

2021-11-12 14:51

YES, IT IS YES, WE WANT IT NO, WE DON'T CARE WE JUST WANNA MAKE SOME DOUGH LIKE THE 00 GUYS, FER IS ALREADY ON THAT SINKING SHIP AS WELL BEST PART IS SOME GRINGO ORG IS GONNA PAY FOR THE WHOLE SHINDIG FNX JUST WANTS A PORSCHE LIKE FER'S THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT, DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW IT FORGET IT WHOEVER'S SAD AIN'T SAD NO MORE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

2021-11-12 17:30

#701 I agree. I dont like this article at the news page. There should be a different section for this.

2021-11-12 17:53

But, what if you are wrong? We will applaud them for trying. I'm pretty sure that old NIP and Fnatic fans were happy to see the gang back together and they supported them, was it disappointing? Yes, but also fun. We want to give it a try, the odds are against us, they are out of their primes, but we want to support them! And what if they do well? Have you think of that? What if you are wrong and the chemistry is good? What if they get good results? Have you imagined how great it would be? Isn't it worth the try?

2021-11-12 19:13

Agreed.

2021-11-13 11:42

f*ck this sh*t, we want a last dance. If it goes wrong goes wrong... If it goes right we can always joke on striker

2021-11-14 16:35

sorry i dont speak wrong.

2021-11-14 17:21

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