Stewie2K: "I'm going to use what I learned here so that I don't have to deal with the same stuff again in the future"

We spoke to the Liquid rifler ahead of the team's BLAST Premier Fall Final appearance.

Liquid enter the BLAST Premier Fall Final on their last legs, a roster assuredly damned to go their separate ways by the end of the year. The team have won just a single event in 2021, facing solely domestic competition in cs_summit 8, and have struggled to make many deep runs in their other tournament appearances, falling by the wayside among the stronger European crop of competition.

Stewie2K is reported to be open to opportunities outside of Liquid

On the media day ahead of Liquid's opening match against Vitality, Jake "⁠Stewie2K⁠" Yip broke down some of the issues the team have faced and tried to overcome in the past year, providing some insight into the trading of in-game leadership duties with Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo. The 23-year-old also gave his thoughts on playing with Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince, and spoke about Liquid's dismal showing at the Major, pointing towards issues that compounded throughout the year.

I wanted to start with the team's outlook coming into this event. I know EliGE said on stream that you haven't been practicing and the roster is obviously on its way out with you and FalleN reportedly looking for other opportunities, so what are Liquid looking at doing coming into this event given the circumstances?

I'm pretty sure it's self-explanatory in itself, especially with what EliGE said on stream. We haven't been practicing, so coming into this tournament we probably have no expectations at all. It's no secret that this team is going to make changes anymore, whatever is out there, true or not, for us we're just coming here and we know that a dead team walking can be very deadly for other teams. We can either do very well and achieve what we wanted this year that we couldn't, or it's just going to go out the same way that we've already been going, so our expectations are almost zero to none.

I wanted to touch on the IGL trade between you and FalleN, it happened three, maybe four times since he joined. What was that whole process like for you and what caused that juggle to keep happening?

When FalleN came in, he came in a little behind on the meta, and for us Liquid had an identity, a foundation. When you see Liquid play, they have a certain style, and it's what represents Liquid throughout all of these years, even before I joined. The thing that stood out with me the best is that they always play together, and their trade percentages are always one of the best up there. When FalleN joined, I think that he wanted to implement his system completely, and for me I felt like that was not the best idea ever because Liquid always had this identity where they always play trades, that's their strong suit. So we always tried to implement some things, we tried to work together and put Liquid and what FalleN works with well together, mesh it all in one.

I had a lot of disagreements with him, and EliGE did as well. Before FalleN joined we really needed people to step up to the plate, be a leader, act as a leader. Some just can't. The personalities, you can't really change it, and you can't expect changes so quick, so that's something that we struggled on and why we needed a player like FalleN. Once we added him in, FalleN always thought that I had a good mind and that I surprised him a little bit in the IGL role, so maybe I should go back to calling so that he can have this freedom where he can just AWP and focus on his game, maybe he can take a little bit away from what I'm calling, what I can see that he can't see, that's why we made the swap back-and-forth. Then eventually, I was struggling a little bit, and people liked the way that FalleN was calling again, so we decided that maybe FalleN can just have this shot again, and this time we're really going to let him implement his style.

For me, I think that letting him do all of it created a lot of extra problems that a lot of us didn't agree with inside of the game, and we tried to work it out but with the amount of personalities that we have and so many clashes, it's hard to come down to an agreement and settle on something.

What sort of extra problems did it create, if you're able to go into specifics?

The best way to explain it is that if I'm the IGL initially, there's going to be a set of problems that people won't agree with, that I'm calling, and those are things that we can work on. But once you let FalleN completely take over and it's a style that most of us aren't used to, and that most of them can't see what FalleN wants to think, that creates a new set of problems. It comes down to if people agree that we should continue playing the same way, if we're happy playing the same way, and it's very clear that people weren't happy playing that way.

For me it really comes down to having conversations and just not going through the tension, going through the unnecessary things in order to reach that end goal where you need to go. It's more having this process that you can really enjoy and see that at the end of the day that you're just improving, but when you are blindsided by other things, it can cause a lot of tension, it can cause a lot of different things where it can hinder the process or really put a big step back to it.

You touched on it a little bit there mentioning some personality conflicts, it's something that's been spoken about on social media and on platforms, whether it all has merit behind it or not. Without going into specifics if you can't, what exactly does that involve on the team for you personally, and has it been blown out of proportion or is it something that's genuinely having a massive impact on the team?

At the moment it's a little blown out of proportion. I think feelings come and go, feelings are something you can't really change in the moment, but eventually it's going to settle down and you're going to see past it, you're going to see with a more outside perspective of the situation that you were in. But with our team, the best I can explain it is... before I go into it, I don't want to be telling the fans or whoever is going to read this that I'm comparing our team to the Lakers, or a LeBron James, or Russ Westbrook, but it's very similar in terms of you seeing how the Lakers started this season and their success.

You see so many stars on this team that they should be the ones winning the conference, the ones that shine the most. They should have the most success, but you put so many stars on one team and they can't come to a settlement, you can't come to an agreement. I'm sure that if you see a player like LeBron or a player like Russ Westbrook who are both very accomplished players, they come into a team, I'm sure they have strong personalities as well and I'm sure that Russell Westbook is not going to go into LeBron's way. I'm sure they're going to have arguments here and there in how they should play the game, and it comes down to see how it's going to settle and if they can come to an agreement.

For us, I'd say it's the same way. We have so many stars that we're struggling to find the right pieces for everybody, and for everybody to be happy. In the long run, it's best that we go our separate ways and for us, I think it's just better that in the future, it's a learning experience and it shows what you need in a team, it gives you a clearer picture for your future.

Touching on that a little more, Grim was obviously a star player on Triumph before you picked him up, he was one of the most promising upcoming players at the time. Both with his role back then and now, how has that meshed with Liquid specifically, and what're your impressions of him as a player now that you've had the chance to play with him for a while?

The thing about Mike (Grim) is that he's a great kid. I think his work ethic can be a lot better, he can work a lot harder for where he is as a player and where he stands right now, with the amount of inexperience, the amount of times you have to really hold his hand and guide him to the right areas. He's not really learning on his own. Initially Mike was not in the roster talks before we picked him up, we weren't able to get the roster that we wanted, and we were stuck with missing a fifth player so we really needed one to stand-in. For us Mike was on a trial phase and for me, I felt like it was kind of forced on to our roster. I think Mike just came in at the wrong time, the wrong place, and it wasn't the best experience for him, but I'm sure he definitely learned a lot from us and just being able to play internationally.

Mike in general, he's like any type of up-and-coming player, I've talked about it on stream before where all of these up-and-coming players, all they have is really aim, and initially when Mike was put into our roster and we needed to use him, I was not okay with it because I did not want to waste my time hoping that this player can pick it up fast, learn, and become this experienced player that we really need. So for us we kind of struggled, it brought in another set of problems that shied us away from focusing on the core's problems. That added an extra problem for us.

I think Mike is a good player, he definitely has potential, but he just joined the team at the wrong time and we weren't able to really give him the best chance we possibly could. At the same time, implementing him on the team, there's a lot of role clashes too, Mike is a "superstar" player for his past teams, and for us we have EliGE, I'm very aggressive as well, so we really needed a passive player. For me when I was calling, I cannot be on the other side of the map and trying to call something, so we needed Mike to learn that. For me, he was a very slow learner, it kind of hurt us a bit in the long run, but we work with what we can.

Stewie2K didn't think Grim was the missing piece Liquid needed

As you mentioned, there's a lot of players who focus more on star roles, being the next big thing. What are your thoughts on the way talent is developed in North America and where we should be going, because right now we're in a pretty shit spot, to say the least.

It's a tough spot. With North American talent, I feel like the gap just drops immensely when it comes from tier one to the next tier. It's really hard to say the next up and coming talent, like I said before the way I look at them is if they have the potential to pick it up quick, if they're open minded, if their work ethic is hard.

I've always liked a player who's had a very strong mentality, like a killer mentality, and they come in and they're like a sponge. They want to absorb everything, they have questions to ask, they want to get better. But the majority of players, a lot of the times it's about their duels, their aim, and for me at a certain level your aim can only go so far, your IQ needs to be up there as well.

That's the main thing about up-and-coming players, most of the time the player has the ability to learn but their mechanics aren't the best, or their mechanics are insane but they don't really have the ability to learn as fast. It is really hard right now in the NA scene, I think that's why we're going back to this phase where, even before I joined, we're recycling players, we're not looking too deep into the next up-and-coming talent because like I said, there's really no talent that you see that "oh, this guy is going to learn super fast" where you're going to take the time, try to raise these players so that we can succeed. I don't think a lot of teams and a lot of players want to waste that time to see if there's a possibility for this player to help us succeed.

Tied into that, what do you think needs to happen to create that mindset for new players, is there a cultural change that needs to happen in the region?

It's not a cultural change. Teams like Extra Salt and Bad News Bears, even though in my opinion they're not the strongest teams out there in North America right now, they have made their name known and they have qualified for events in Europe. Back when I was on Cloud9, before we could even make top four, do any of that, making it to a European tournament internationally is almost a blessing in disguise, in terms of this is where you play the best teams in the world, and where you can actually learn something. Everything just kind of clicks at one point, like this is the style that they want to play and I'm going to try to learn from it.

I think that is the best way for the next up-and-coming talent to learn from, it's all about the grind honestly, and it's all about the path that you're on and how you're going to learn from it and grow from it. Once you make it to the international level, there's a lot of room to watch and learn, I think that's the best way to look at it.

Most top tournaments have entirely shifted over here and that's just going to be the reality for the next year or two years. For you personally, since you're considering other opportunities as well, how does it feel for you and affect your decision in terms of playing here for extended periods, potentially even moving, and having more events here?

It's definitely a hard decision to make and there's a lot to consider. There's a lot of travelling this year, I think this was one of the toughest years in terms of travel. A couple weeks home, a couple weeks back, and then a month back, and then you only go back home for a couple of weeks... there's really no time to decompress. By the time you get used to your schedule at home, you're about to leave again.

Travelling is really hard, living in Europe is definitely something to consider. That's just the reality of the situation like you said. I don't really have much to touch on there, it's really about the individual, how much competitive spirit you have and how much you want to really give into it. If you want to go all-in and there's no thought behind it, you know that going to Europe is no issue and most of your time is going to be spent there, you're going to put a lot of effort into it.

The one thing I haven't really touched on was your performance at the Major, which obviously didn't go as you would have hoped I'm sure. You didn't have adreN there, and on top of that the team fell pretty flat in your matches — what happened there, since the team seems to have crumbled since then, how large of an impact did that have?

Throughout this year we kept going back and forth on the same issues, every time. It's always this, it's always something else, it just becomes a reoccurring thing and I'm sure it becomes very tiring for everybody. Once we keep going back to the same problem and a month later, the same problem occurs again, and you try to approach it, you try to talk about it, you come to an agreement that things are going to be better, and then you keep coming back to it, it can be very tiring. At the same time we have other problems to worry about.

By the time we got to the Major, there's already been a big amount of time that we've created this team, so going to the Major I think it got to the point where we just knew that it's coming to an end, where things aren't really going to fix, things aren't really going in the direction that FalleN is seeing or I'm seeing or EliGE is seeing, and we can't come to an agreement, so in the end it's better to just go our separate ways. A new start is a new start.

For me personally, this is a learning experience, I learned a lot playing on Liquid in terms of personalities and playing as a collective whole. Being able to go through failures together and being able to succeed together, I've learned a lot in that aspect, and I'm going to use what I learned here so that I don't have to deal with the same stuff again in the future. I'm going to try to do my best to prevent what I've experienced, I don't want anyone else to experience.

Brazil Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
1474
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.60
United States Michael 'Grim' Wince
Michael 'Grim' Wince
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
792
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
United States Jake 'Stewie2K' Yip
Jake 'Stewie2K' Yip
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1456
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.68
Good Luck!
2021-11-23 20:44
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#32
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Brazil Anarchybr
Damn he just threw Grin under the bus like that? Not cool mens))
2021-11-23 20:59
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#54
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United States EDBX
Fr just roasted him for 3 paragraphs! Wtf?? I guess stewie and grim will not both be on the roster no matter what happens.
2021-11-23 21:08
18 replies
Liquid is going to remove everyone except EliGE and maybe keep naf and grim
2021-11-23 21:33
12 replies
id see them keep elige and naf but eh, idk about grim personally, but we will see what they will do after iem winter i doubt they are going to be a good team because their morale looks completely shattered
2021-11-23 22:25
7 replies
If Elige stays he might as well be the IGL. I think this guy doesn't like to get out of his comfort zone ever and then everybody else needs to adapt cause he's been in Liquid forever and he shaped the team culture.
2021-11-24 00:36
5 replies
Elige is probably one of the most comfortable going outside his comfort zone, what are you on?
2021-11-24 04:33
4 replies
Can you expand on that?
2021-11-24 05:07
No he's not lol
2021-11-24 11:27
I would say Elige has demonstrated a highly strategic mind, not an adaptable one and in fact his interviews where he shows a rigidity about his food, warm-up, etc shows the opposite of adaptability (not always a weakness if his rigid regime serves him otherwise) As a Liquid fan, the overall teams lack of adaptability has always been a weakness for mine, their solid procedural play is served by it though.
2021-11-24 14:12
It's nothing new, but even in this interview stewie said fallen had a different style that wanted to implement and elige disagreed with him....i don't think this is what i'd call "adaptability".
2021-11-24 16:27
+1 It's obvious from this article and the way they play
2021-11-24 02:35
why would they keep grim? stewie is not talking out of his ass, grim is not good enough and Liquid as an org knows this.
2021-11-24 12:11
3 replies
Stewie has been critical of Grim for a while, however if Stewie is the one leaving, perhaps the issue has not been entirely Grim's. Especially Stewie's reply to the article on Twitter backtracking on his criticism of Grim.
2021-11-24 14:26
2 replies
Personally i think the only players who are staying is NAF and Elige. this team is so done, not even practicing even though they are getting paid. the liqiud management look weak for letting that happen,
2021-11-24 14:31
1 reply
I took that to mean they are not practicing because there is no need to prac or create new strats, which is understandable given its a dead line up. The individual players are likely still prac'ing.
2021-11-25 19:46
hes just telling it how he sees it
2021-11-23 22:05
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#321
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United States EDBX
The team is already over. He could have used 25% as many words and gotten the same point across.
2021-11-24 02:11
1 reply
true
2021-11-24 04:07
I lost IQ reading this thread.
2021-11-24 14:12
1 reply
yh stewie got negative IQ
2021-11-26 17:58
kinda forced him into roles he doesnt wanna play little unfortunate
2021-11-23 21:14
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#112
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France J!n
Grim is just shit
2021-11-23 21:29
2 replies
Is Twistzz shit?
2021-11-23 23:47
wtf how?
2021-11-24 02:48
#87
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Argentina Saazu
I was thinking the same thing. But to be fair, stew took some of the blame as well. He said that liquid was not the right team nor the right time for grim.
2021-11-23 21:21
he didn't sugarcoat it for sure, but I think he's just being brutally honest
2021-11-23 21:43
2 replies
+1 I don't think he threw him under the bus i can appreciate his honesty
2021-11-23 22:09
+1 just brutal honesty which is best
2021-11-23 22:57
Grim was literally a bot on inferno time and time again, every time i saw inferno its basically 4v5 in my recent memory, single digit or barely above kills for grim. and when you compare his role on the ct side to that of magisk theres no excuse.
2021-11-23 22:47
9 replies
Magisk was the worlds best player in that position for years...
2021-11-23 22:50
7 replies
Yep, some people are apples to oranges and dont understand how they can be so confused.
2021-11-23 22:56
5 replies
Off topic , but apple and oranges thing is the most retarded shit ever. Why people think u can't compare apple and orange? So will u compare apple with? Another apple?
2021-11-24 02:26
4 replies
Because its old saying doest mean its wrong. What saying zoomer like you would like the ? How about “its like comparing pc to a car”. Totally different things with totally different usages, there is no common ground to compare the two.
2021-11-24 03:03
ermmmm... what!!?
2021-11-24 11:54
Apples to oranges is key because its comparing two things that may appear similar on a very base level ie, they are both fruit, but in reality they are completely different. Its terrifying that people cant use critical thinking to see that.
2021-11-24 19:46
1 reply
If it is used in that sense then it is correct , but it is usually used to stop comparisons between 2 things like u can't compare apples with oranges ???
2021-11-24 21:21
#254
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Netherlands Datsun510
Agreed but his performances just werent there
2021-11-23 23:14
Agreed, his CT side was very predictable. He was pretty much always on the balcony. I remembered once Navi punished him really hard.
2021-11-24 04:07
You can hate I'm Stewie a bunch but it's always been evident he tries to put in the time. I think it's fair to call out players who are suddenly on a "top" team but aren't willing to actually work to improve. He's basically saying Grim can be a lot better than he's showing, he's just not trying hard enough.
2021-11-23 23:31
2 replies
The thing is, you dont have to tell the whole world that. You can keep your team problems as "Team" problems... To also say all of this publicly the day before a match you have to play with grim is kinda fucked
2021-11-24 09:51
Yeah it is kinda messed up but if I’m busting my ass and we got a new guy not working hard… it’s my job to lie and protect him? This is a PROFESSIONAL e sport. Grim is getting paid, work harder or get called out. This is champion mindset
2021-11-27 07:50
I was too lazy to read intervie and went to comments to ask people what steview meant by this sentence about future, but after i read your comment i became interested in reading interview
2021-11-24 02:46
#348
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United States Bettyu
straight up, wtf is with that. Thats hella rude
2021-11-24 03:17
#378
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Germany ninja_pc
One thing people also dont realize is nitr0 played a massive role in keeping people from tilting, and bringing structure and good vibes. Then losing Twisstz to FaZe, took one of the most consistent LAN players away from them, and replaced him with Grim who had the majority of his CS:GO success in online leagues like ESL Pro League with Triumph.
2021-11-24 05:54
2 replies
Grim replaced nitr0 and when Twistzz went to FaZe they got FalleN. But the thing about nitr0 keeping everything together is true, stew has said that before.
2021-11-24 07:41
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#485
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Germany ninja_pc
yes but the role that fallen plays is awp, grim is rifle. The roles for the players they lost and gained were not ideal swaps regardless of order they joined.
2021-11-25 03:27
Stewie2k the NA GOAT, please come to mibr
2021-11-23 21:10
Stewie best igl un NA history
2021-11-23 21:35
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#201
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Finland KarPPa
tarik major mvp igl?
2021-11-23 22:15
#481
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Brazil Retr0_
Fallen plays Valorant lol
2021-11-24 21:22
#178
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Sweden Trkmag
Good interview
2021-11-23 21:55
Americans and their drama... Every single one thinks that they are the star. The only good player on Liquid is Elige. Stewie2k hasn't been good since he was "up-and-coming". A leader tries to lead, to make the team work together, to stop the team from turning against eachother. "He's a slow learner" maybe your are a bad teacher. Something need to change in na cs because this is jus embarrassing..
2021-11-24 08:53
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#431
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Brazil b0n0tt0
best comment in this thread
2021-11-24 11:39
++11
2021-11-24 13:05
What would you do if there is a slow learner in your team and you cant lead or help him every time and the whole world thinks u are the worst player in your team but you make space, get info and give calls and still people blame you?
2021-11-25 08:41
+1
2021-11-25 21:49
Stewie needs to be kicked that fucking snake overrated kid
2021-11-26 16:11
#2
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Sweden GabM
Okay
2021-11-23 20:44
Bot 3k
2021-11-23 20:44
6 replies
Stewie 2IQ
2021-11-23 20:49
3 replies
botstarriders losing to T450 NA CS lul
2021-11-23 22:03
2 replies
nt lul
2021-11-23 23:42
1 reply
rent free lul
2021-11-23 23:54
Stewie2k_1_major_acmilano2013_0_major
2021-11-23 20:58
1 reply
Subito 10 major
2021-11-23 21:10
love ya stewart10am
2021-11-23 20:45
2 replies
For those who didn't read the whole thing Tldr: -Grim was a slow learner and not a hard worker -Too many personality conflicts and problems that kept repeating -Stew and the team is tired of it and best to go separate ways -Stew never wants to experience this again (seems like a very stressed out problematic team) You're welcome.
2021-11-24 07:17
1 reply
Also -FalleN GOAT IGL stewie and elife too arrogant, naf and grim too lazy for the system to be implemented correctly -Grim bot
2021-11-24 09:57
interesting
2021-11-23 20:45
There's a R missing in the headline xaxaxaxa
2021-11-23 20:46
1 reply
Where?
2021-11-24 06:19
Why is he talking like they already kicked grim and fallen
2021-11-23 20:46
33 replies
because they + Stewie are bascially out anyway lmao
2021-11-23 20:47
30 replies
ngl, its gonna be fun to watch these finished teams play like Liquid vs Vitality
2021-11-23 20:50
2 replies
frfr i really wonder how tf that series is gonna end up tomorrow with shox going to TL especially
2021-11-23 20:51
1 reply
Vitality apparently practised for this event so it should be pretty clear
2021-11-23 22:51
#35
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Canada SHL0M
U think they're actually going to -grim? Lowkey enjoy watching him play tbh
2021-11-23 20:59
26 replies
tbh i think they are only gonna keep NAF and EliGE
2021-11-23 21:14
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#77
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Canada SHL0M
I hope so. Losing NAF also means losing half ur fanbase lol
2021-11-23 21:16
22 replies
I just hope they don't destroy his career by signing some washed players like tarik or some other resigned players... I can see they signing EG's roster... Maybe a team like oBo Cerq Breehze NAF EliGE I really don't know... At the same time there's a lot of very good players available on the market. I hope they make the right decision. Looking foward to see their new line up.
2021-11-23 21:20
20 replies
EG won't give up Brehze as long as daps is their coach, cerq as well.
2021-11-23 21:27
11 replies
EG is gona dip from CS and follow C9's steps
2021-11-23 21:41
7 replies
where did you get that from?
2021-11-23 21:44
6 replies
Either that or kick 3 players minimum, but come on you cant think that their trash ass cs team is profitable in any way
2021-11-24 03:01
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#356
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United States Doug1498
They already benched obo Michu and Stanislaw I think
2021-11-24 04:11
The biggest problem imo is there aren't enough good NA players that can play tier 1.
2021-11-24 07:49
They already kicked 3 and said they are staying in CS
2021-11-24 07:53
2021-11-24 09:37
1 reply
yeah i guess i been sleeping xd
2021-11-24 16:26
EG is gonna be stronger than Liquid next year. Brehze Cerq Stew NAF 5th (jks, tarik, rush, I don't know)
2021-11-24 00:45
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#450
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Mongolia k0ng0
LooooooooooL Welcome to LIQuid Tier 5 hahaha!
2021-11-24 13:56
stew is going to valorant
2021-11-24 15:35
#111
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Canada SHL0M
Honestly though, so many rumors that at this point I'm just excited for a roster change. As long as they don't get Stanislaw I'm happy. Fuck him. Lucas Black lookin ass.
2021-11-23 21:30
5 replies
LOL stanislaw is going to Valorant with tarik and stew
2021-11-23 21:36
#317
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Denmark Kon10R
HA! Who would've thunk we would have these discussions a few years back with Astralis and Liquid being lighthyears ahead of everyone else! Where Gla1ve has been a "smoke criminal" regarding spamming, Stewie was THE numba one "smoke criminal" when it comes to jumping through them! Now we see half of Astralis joining Zywoo and Apex, Dev1ce and Es3tag joining NiP ... Elige, Stewie, NaF together with Cerg and Brehze ????! One heckova team! Why not?
2021-11-24 02:03
3 replies
Yes, it's good, but we don't know if that is going to happen. It's logical, but you never know. I would be happy if it does.
2021-11-24 08:26
cringe
2021-11-24 10:00
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#451
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Denmark Kon10R
Genious comment about the person writing something on hltv. Primarily younger youngsters seem to fancy this word, while their mindset is going through ... let's say some developments ... Anything to say about cs go, the above mentioned constellation? I mean, I'm flattered that you are concentrating on me, but what about the subject? Or is that too much to ask?
2021-11-24 14:11
#292
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Serbia s1ck1337
tarik is a streamer he wont compete no more
2021-11-24 00:17
EG: Brehze, cerq, stewie2k, NAF, RUSH Liquid: Elige, osee, floppy, JT, obo OR Elige, jks, jkaem, AZR, obo
2021-11-24 00:52
the other half than 50% is BR fans at least
2021-11-23 21:36
i think they definitely are the problem is what stewie said grim couldn’t pick up fast to play at a high level in tier 1 cs guarantee you if grim develops a little as a player he’ll be deadly
2021-11-23 21:14
i think it depends on who they can get to replace FalleN on the AWP and stewie with. They could put Grim in as the 2nd entry with EliGE to let him be in his comfort zone if they find a passive-supportive replacement for stewie. With the report about shox coming in they could make it work with Grim if they find a strong AWPer.
2021-11-23 21:27
Take a guess
2021-11-24 01:53
No. stew is on his way out. That’s why he is being so frank. EG is waiting for him.
2021-11-24 04:13
rip liquid :(
2021-11-23 20:47
1 reply
#21
NAF | 
United States dyragu
ripo
2021-11-23 20:54
"I think Mike is a good player, he definitely has potential, but he just joined the team at the wrong time and we weren't able to really give him the best chance we possibly could" -Grim confirmed?
2021-11-23 20:47
12 replies
I would def rather have -grim than -naf, but we'll see, I don't think grim is worth keeping if liquid is only keeping two players
2021-11-23 20:54
-stewie qnd -fallen
2021-11-23 21:13
"he's a great kid. I think his work ethic can be a lot better, he can work a lot harder for where he is as a player and where he stands right now, with the amount of inexperience, the amount of times you have to really hold his hand and guide him to the right areas. He's not really learning on his own." recycle triumph wasnt a good thing afterall, their core could have tier 2 potential in EU
2021-11-23 21:21
don't think so, he just confirmed what everyone thought back then. Grim was in no way a good replacement for nitr0 and his roles clashed with pretty much everyone on the team. With both stewie and FalleN gone and shox coming in, they could keep Grim as the second entry.
2021-11-23 21:30
8 replies
he wasn't a replacement for nitro he was a replacement for twistzz
2021-11-23 21:43
7 replies
no he was not
2021-11-23 21:45
5 replies
never seen grim awp or igl hmm
2021-11-24 00:39
3 replies
maybe use your brain? They literally had Twistzz and Grim on the team at the same time.
2021-11-24 09:34
2 replies
What role did fallen take
2021-11-24 17:37
1 reply
bro i was never talking about roles, read the chat pls. He replaced Twistzz in late december, Grim replaced nitr0.
2021-11-24 19:42
Yes he is, they supposedly -twistzz +who, but nitro leave for valo
2021-11-24 09:43
They made two changes at different times, but it worked like one single change point. -Nitr0 +Fallen -Twistzz +Grim
2021-11-25 00:18
Fallen was always the problem, bringing in an IGL who doesn't keep up with the meta, can only create issues
2021-11-23 20:51
21 replies
you think TL or any other NA team's problems right now is one person. ok
2021-11-23 20:58
19 replies
+1. Typical hltv user saying "it's one player fault".
2021-11-23 21:04
3 replies
When such an integral player as the IGL, is a bad fit, and you refuse to split up the core of NAF, Stew and Elige, then yes, you have the wrong IGL. the IGL is the problem Fallen being out of t1 cs for way too long before that is a sidenote, he clearly wasnt the right person after the second igl switch, let alone the third or fourth.
2021-11-23 21:10
2 replies
with the way stewie talked it sounded more like liquid wanted an IGL to change things up but in the end they didn't really want to change that much, maybe if they accepted fallen IGLing fully it would've gone different.
2021-11-23 21:52
1 reply
"I was struggling a little bit, and people liked the way that FalleN was calling again, so we decided that maybe FalleN can just have this shot again, and this time we're really going to let him implement his style. For me, I think that letting him do all of it created a lot of extra problems that a lot of us didn't agree with inside of the game, and we tried to work it out but with the amount of personalities that we have and so many clashes, it's hard to come down to an agreement and settle on something." I think they did try to accept fallens igl. I think its just hard when every team has an awper who can make impact plays and fallen had a very passive playstyle in comparison. I dont think their strategies did a good job at combating the eu playstyle. It was more than just one players fault, but i dont think fallens igling was the answer for them
2021-11-24 07:11
i don't think fallen in himself is the problem. signing him was why the hell are you signing an IGL whose playstyle you don't agree with why are you forcing your old system / nitro's system onto fallen why the hell do you keep switching between who is IGL'ing so often all of these are symptoms of signing the wrong person, not even mentioning that fallen hasn't performed or called well enough for a while now to be signed to a t1 team. NA has it's issues, but that doesn't excuse poor roster formation like these. taking grim and placing him in the exact opposite role, changing igls so there isn't room for him to be focused on, signing an igl that doesn't fit, flip flopping between IGL style and who is IGL'ing. Ffs, at that point, if youre so damn stubborn as to not see it's an unsolvable puzzle after Nitro left, and you need to rebuild, sign MSL. Not fallen.
2021-11-23 21:07
14 replies
Im agree with you, but the main problem of your paragraph is the word rebuild. Liquid didn't want to rebuild, they want a guy who calls for them, take the responsibility but have no right to choose his way of igling. Imagine msl aka control freak will do in this situation .
2021-11-23 21:21
5 replies
it's not about if they wanted to rebuild, it's about if they have to, and they did need to they had an empty piece in their puzzle, which no player at the time could fill. Twistzz also going out, his interviews kinda foreshadowed this, left room for grim going out of the trial phase, and there now being room for signing an igl and an awp. instead they keep grim and sign fallen. you could def get an EU igl who played the system they wanted, but not an awp/igl hybrid with the style, but signing fallen was just the wrong move, and people said this from the start
2021-11-23 21:25
4 replies
I agree with you on that, but I think the core stewie-naf-elige wouldn't work anyway. THe damage was already done. Twistz talked about the shitty atmosphere 1 year ago. It is the same shitty atmosphere. Too many tensions, ego clashes, an igl is not a group therapist. He has to solve some problems, but not that much, I think so. Moses, not a tactical coach, try only to solve those issues and cannot affort it.
2021-11-23 21:30
3 replies
perhaps, we may never know. I still think it could have worked out, even with the issues, but they needed a proper fix there and then. It's insane to me that they're still there after another 1,5 years of not having the igl, anchor or system they want.
2021-11-23 21:31
2 replies
I think it was more a problem of egos. Nobody wants to take a young guns. There was okay young IGL in NA/EU back then. There is a french expression : "nobody wants to put water in their wine". It meanas nobody want to accept changing their mentality in order to win. I feel liquid is like this at the moment.
2021-11-23 21:36
I get your point, but are wrong. Liquid didnt get fallen to IGL. He confirmed that before joining the team, and stewie also did that. He transitioned to IGL because the team was struggling.... so they tried him as IGL.....Later the team opted for fallen to igl because they "looked" better....The team was probably unhappy with stewie's method and since fallen was there... they tried new stuff...... IMO that's being desperate. Looks like grim needs to be more dependable... stewie pretty much called him dumb. great aim not that smart.
2021-11-23 23:12
#90
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Italy MulaManca
yeah, bringing an IGL only to not want to do what he proposes is really stupid
2021-11-23 21:22
1 reply
honestly reminds me so much of when C9 signed FNS, only to want to play like before, and not believing in him dumb shit
2021-11-23 21:26
+1
2021-11-23 21:26
+1.
2021-11-23 21:39
#209
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Brazil beugen1o
+ 1
2021-11-23 22:25
i also agree, but the issue is that if they signed someone like MSL to IGl the TL players would just disagree and clash and drive him insane. The issue isnt just bringing in a god tier brain IGL, its that NA players refuse to listen to anything but their way. Their way or the highway. Stew whether intentional or not said so as much while discussing the entire thing about him and fallen IGLing. The team refused to shut up and buck down for a different system and would always complain about it. Thats what i got from the article.
2021-11-23 23:01
they shouldn't sign an igl player, they should have signed a CIS baiter so stew could make his aggressive plays while the baiter could hold d2 mid doors for 2min
2021-11-23 23:33
Idk why would they make twistzz play b site anchor and saying that he is not performing well and thats why we put him on b with awp or scout ( in his last few days) . Well lucky for twistzz he is in a good structured team that has potential to improve unlike TL which has role clashes igl clashes meta clashes!
2021-11-25 08:50
the team was fucked up way before that. He even said it in this interview, throwing in Grim was no solution at all and only caused more problems between the rest of them.
2021-11-23 21:32
He really went in on Grim holy shit lol
2021-11-23 20:51
7 replies
> I wanted an already established player 'cause I don't want to teach ppl new stuff > gets FalleN > reeeeeeeeeeee that's not what I wanted!1!1! kekw NA is so dead
2021-11-23 20:57
4 replies
+1 lol
2021-11-23 22:08
+1
2021-11-23 23:02
Yeah fr, complete contrast to the CIS teams and guess who's far more successful
2021-11-23 23:12
+1 kk
2021-11-23 23:38
grim is still NA's best talent tbh besides obo lol, so sad :(
2021-11-23 21:49
Poor grim bro
2021-11-23 21:54
Good kick this bot2k
2021-11-23 20:51
1 reply
He threw so many rounds with his "agression" and talks about the importance of using the brain and not the aim. Lmao
2021-11-24 11:48
So the question becomes - will NA CS be any better after the shuffles? Surely two decent teams are better than one dead team, but will enough pieces stick around/come back to make that happen?
2021-11-23 20:52
4 replies
#98
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Greece RedWinter
Liquid with oSee and a good IGL could be so good, but if NAF leaves...
2021-11-23 21:26
3 replies
#117
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United States $harlen
Naf can do a bit of everything, awping, rifling, being the entry, being support, lurking, if TL loses him I don’t think they will recover at all from that
2021-11-23 21:31
1 reply
Quite the opposite actually, mentality wise it would be great if he's not there anymore and stops progress from happening considering rumors Looking at it from the ingame pov, yeah you're right
2021-11-23 23:15
No way they -NAF, if that happened that would be the dumbest move after Spirit -mir this year.
2021-11-24 02:30
#19
FalleN | 
Brazil zuiz
I can't believe this roster is going to stick together to the end of the year considering the shit already said by its own members 💀💀💀💀
2021-11-23 20:53
11 replies
basically its stewie vs FalleN vs EliGE with Grim as the naive kid in between and NAF who doesn't give a fuck and just wants to play lul. Will be a fun tournament with so many dead teams.
2021-11-23 21:33
7 replies
#218
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Brazil Anarchybr
This. But it seems that Fallen and Stew keep their differences only on the professional side, nothing personal. Don’t know about Elige tho
2021-11-23 22:46
Well, as far as I know Stewie and FalleN are really good friends. Like, Stewie is practically a family, he lives with Brazilians in the US. From what I've seen, Stewie has tried not to quote Elige too much. Apparently the biggest issue is between Stewie/FalleN Vs Elige.
2021-11-23 22:51
5 replies
Sounds like all in on vitality then, but where did you got that info
2021-11-24 03:10
3 replies
watching: fallen streams stewie streams Elige streams Twistzz, Hiko and S1mple interviews FalleN has said several times that there are teammates who are not comfortable with their calls. He has already said that Stewie likes to always complement his calls and had to literally become Nitr0 so Liquid could have him as an IGL. Twistzz, Hiko and S1mple also said that it was difficult to play with Elige. He likes everything to be done his way, he rules the team and the style of play of the team, but it was never the IGL. Think with me: you (in the case of Fallen) have always been the IGL you went through, you were hired as an IGL, but when you started playing with Liquid, you had to learn how to become Nitr0. MAN? If you want the Fallen to be Nitr0, don’t hire the Fallen. ps* Fallen is 30 years old These are stupid decisions that are gonna steal a year of all these guys' lives, and I think that’s what Stewie regretted, like he said in the interview.
2021-11-24 09:53
2 replies
+1111
2021-11-24 11:51
+1
2021-11-24 17:05
Agreed, Elige had a big clash with simple back then. Ppl always thought simple was the problem. I guess it was not the case. Simple actually made Liquid better. Why would you have a problem with a guy who made ur team better? I also don’t think stew has a problem with Fallen. Elige does. Elige is like the typical NA superstar. He has to be the center of attention. Everyone has to make him comfortable.
2021-11-24 04:34
#174
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Italy PhilD06
yeah lmfao, they really should change after IEM Winter ngl, they don't play anymore events anyways I guess
2021-11-23 21:53
2 replies
fr mate, elige said in a livestream that the team didn't play since the major... and as me, a brazilian fan, i want fallen to join a brazilian roster again
2021-11-23 21:56
1 reply
The latest developments have made me love Stewie and worry about Elige's personality. I feel bad for Stewie, he suffered a lot from Cold's attitudes at the time of SK/MiBR, he wanted to stay, ended up going to Liquid and winning a Grand Slam.
2021-11-23 22:54
in short: stew shits on every teammate aside from Naf for 15 minutes straight
2021-11-23 20:54
11 replies
he didn't shit on elige at all really, maybe some stuff where he wasnt named
2021-11-23 21:00
2 replies
he pretty much said that the core had clashes even before Grim was brought into the team which was exactly what Twistzz said in his interviews back then as well. So i guess there have been disagreements between stewie, Twistzz and EliGE and kicking Twistzz didn't help in the slightest.
2021-11-23 21:36
1 reply
#211
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Brazil FERRAZZZ
they got stomped by furia last year pretty much all NA tournaments. They already had issues way before gr1m and fallen join the team. IMO he didnt shit on fallen or grim. He was just totally honest as per his perspective. It's pretty obvious ELIGE is TL main player and they will continue playing around him. GL
2021-11-23 22:26
IDK it sounds like most of his complaints were about FalleN and Grim. He didn't have a lot of complaints about EliGE.
2021-11-23 21:05
3 replies
From what I've heard, he just didn't want to name Elige. The team's problems come from when Nitr0 and Twistzz were still on the team, that's exactly why Twistzz left...
2021-11-23 22:57
The interview contains some subtle hints. Basically, I don’t think that he has a problem with Fallen. And his issues with Grim are on the professional level. I do think Elige are involved in all the conflicts.
2021-11-24 04:45
1 reply
+1
2021-11-24 11:55
Tldr what did he day about elige
2021-11-23 21:16
1 reply
nice translator
2021-11-23 22:57
He did it in a respectful way, plus he didn't shit on Elige though
2021-11-23 21:20
1 reply
he said there's too many stars on the roster that are not on the same page, and considering he already explicitly mentioned FalleN, the only other superstar left on the team is Elige also he says the team atmosphere is a clusterfuck but: 1) NAF is considered a cool guy so he cannot contribute in a negative way 2) stew can not (or at least does not) blame himself 3) stew never commented on any toxicity from Grim, only his lazyness 4) even if the problem was just in Fallen & Grim behaviour that'd mean it's a minority of a team + Grim is a new kid so it's hard to imagine he would flame veterans like naf-elige-stew therefore it is once again indirectly implied that Elige is the one who contributes to a toxic atmosphere in the team but that's only outsider perspective ofc, might be a different thing altogether
2021-11-24 12:38
kick this shit pls
2021-11-23 20:55
Damn this was a super insightful interview.
2021-11-23 20:56
F Liquid
2021-11-23 20:56
Damn they really do have massive egos god damn
2021-11-23 20:57
2 replies
+1
2021-11-23 23:05
+1
2021-11-24 03:10
#28
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India aR__
Sounds like a toxic environment "I don't want anyone else to experience what I experienced"
2021-11-23 20:57
1 reply
He sounds so dramatic. He sounds like he is not responsible of this mess.
2021-11-23 21:25
#30
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India aR__
Only NAF didn't get shitted on xD expected from Nasty NAF, the cool and sweet guy NAF
2021-11-23 20:58
6 replies
on the other way he really likes NAF so he might be biased af
2021-11-23 21:08
4 replies
Yeah, basically almost dodge problems and look like the nice guy.
2021-11-23 21:23
2 replies
naf isnt much of a problem though
2021-11-23 21:51
1 reply
I will use a bad analogy. It is like looking someboby murder a guy and do nothing. In this case, it is not his fault.
2021-11-23 22:06
#226
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Latvia heywire
Nah from what i heard, Naf is really smart and talented and get a lot of crredit for this.
2021-11-23 22:53
because naf is literally carrying them
2021-11-23 23:40
Kid needs to fix his own damn game.
2021-11-23 20:59
#34
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United States kriksB
Liquid floppy now
2021-11-23 20:59
Toxic2k stewie10am
2021-11-23 20:59
1 reply
Snake2k
2021-11-24 06:40
wow
2021-11-23 21:00
grim > bot2k
2021-11-23 21:00
good interview!
2021-11-23 21:00
stewie is so toxic holy
2021-11-23 21:00
+rep
2021-11-23 21:01
I love you Stewie <3 You are a champion and you know what you need
2021-11-23 21:01
#44
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Denmark HurtigeHH
Imagine signing an IGL, and then not listen to his ideas and give him freedom. Big egos
2021-11-23 21:03
2 replies
200 IQ move
2021-11-23 23:27
fallen wasn't signed up initially to igl, it just happened because - stewie himself said it - he was struggling in the igl role
2021-11-23 23:35
Gotta respect his honesty in this interview. At the same time i don't think he spoke Ill about anyone. Just describing the situation honestly. Good job Stewie
2021-11-23 21:05
9 replies
I can respect his honesty, but I find it a bit odd that he wasn't willing to admit to any faults of his own.
2021-11-23 21:07
1 reply
He mentioned he struggled with the calling. But it seems he used Grim as a scapegoat and couldn't admit that he really was struggling to frag at a tier 1 level. Stew has great leadership qualities and experience but he seems in denial that his firepower has diminished over the last few years.
2021-11-23 23:22
#93
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Italy MulaManca
+1
2021-11-23 21:23
Just the mental has been fucked ever since the 1v5 in pro league. they played good at the blast arena to qualify for this but the major they hit a wall.
2021-11-23 21:26
He didnt talk about himself, a bit arrogant.
2021-11-23 21:44
2 replies
He talks from his perspective and answers the questions given to him honestly. Really refreshing if you ask me.
2021-11-23 22:12
1 reply
Really refrezhshing
2021-11-24 00:56
This is the best interview He give honest answers
2021-11-23 21:51
1 reply
You can be honest without calling the other salaried professionals on your team shit. This is their job, not an afternoon club.
2021-11-23 23:26
he sucks at valorant too fulltime streaming is the move
2021-11-23 21:05
3 replies
how can he suck at valorant when he hit radiant in 20 hours of playing the game lol
2021-11-23 21:26
2 replies
?hes played full triangle this act and still stuck on imm
2021-11-24 05:41
1 reply
Radiant is a grind on whoever plays the most lol
2021-11-24 07:54
Why you have to do Grim like that LOL.
2021-11-23 21:06
Isn't Grim way, way outperforming him??
2021-11-23 21:08
6 replies
Stewie's basic numbers were a little better throughout 2021 actually. In the end, Grim does have a lot of potential, but Stewie definitely had more impact on the team.
2021-11-23 21:10
they played him like support or bait for Elige I dont even think they gave him the right roles so idk why he bitched so much about Grim though
2021-11-23 21:15
4 replies
#223
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Brazil Anarchybr
Don’t know why people say that Grim has a “hard role” on the team. He’s not the entry, neither the IGL or awp. Those are the 3 hardest positions in the game. Grim plays passive positions which is exactly what they needed. If you’re a newcomer to any team that’s the dream job because you don’t have to think too much and can focus on your own game. It just seems that Grim is trash to play on tier 1, just like junior.
2021-11-23 22:50
3 replies
The reason why they say he has a hard role is because the role is completely different from what he used to play. And now he needs to learn all these new things just to get used to a new role that he prob won't even stick with. Its just like you put CR7 in the midfield role and see how hes perform, prob not much better than a average player in ligue 1. For a very aggressive player like Grim, playing support role is really hard. And support role is actually not an easy role as you are required to know a lot about positions and timings. I wish Liquid could have swapped Grim and Stewie and let Grim play entry to see how it goes.. Grim was just entering Liquid at the wrong time with a wrong roster.
2021-11-24 04:09
2 replies
First of all, he is NOT CR7 for gods sake! He is an unapproved kid from a tier 2 team. With Elige on the team, there is no way on earth that he could play the superstar role he used to play. You have to evolve and learn new things. Even player like electronic has to sacrifice for simple.
2021-11-24 05:01
1 reply
You need to think a bit here bro. Did CR7 start out to be a tier 1 player??? He was just a rising talent with lots of potential from Sporting Liston, and Sporting at that time was a tier 2-3 team at best. Same case with Neymar who only started out from Santos. They have to start from somewhere, and prove themselves from doing what they are best at at the highest level. CR7 didn't have to prove himself by playing CB, or Neymar didn't play as Goalkeeper when he joined Barcelona. By drawing that comparison I meant Grim was a kid with lots of potential. You don't put people with great potential in A to fill in B role. That's just wrong and waste of talent.
2021-11-24 06:18
#55
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United States okuulanda
:( i love u grim hope he can find a better fit
2021-11-23 21:10
1 reply
new complexity or maybe even mousesports if they want to risk it
2021-11-23 21:51
#60
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United States SwissRolls
0 comments on NAF so naf staying in TL
2021-11-23 21:11
1 reply
EliGE as well, he already confirmed that in interviews. With shox coming in they will probably give Grim another chance in the second entry role.
2021-11-23 21:40
grim honestly looks fine for the roles hes playing
2021-11-23 21:11
1 reply
#84
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Finland thiccboi22
+1 he was forced into roles he wasnt playing before and hes been doing fine from what ive seen
2021-11-23 21:20
Honestly this is very unfair to Grim. He did play better than Stewie sometimes. And when he played bad, Stewie usually played bad if not worse.
2021-11-23 21:12
1 reply
Exactly
2021-11-23 23:25
can't wait to see Stewie bottom frag and grim top frag all games at blast
2021-11-23 21:12
I think this team will win nothing. Bad team environment.
2021-11-23 21:12
damn son
2021-11-23 21:13
lmao, what a sad, egocentric, nay narcissistic interview. dude thinks he's the whole world. wasn't expecting elige to be called out with star issues tho. gotta imagine how much must sucks playing for liquid this way
2021-11-23 21:15
2 replies
Yeah. ppl say that Elige is toxic. This kind of interview show also the nature of Stewie. He is a veteran of cs and bash on Grim, Fallen and implicitly on Elige. There is a difference between been honnest and leave your job without throwning everything in order to save your image.
2021-11-23 22:09
1 reply
yep, I wonder if people will still consider him as a solid option for their roster. I personally wouldn't, simply to avoid any sort of clashes (like this one)
2021-11-24 12:51
Watching so many games of liquid ever since Grim joined, he played absolutely brilliant. It was you Stewie, who was slacking since forever. First you kicked nitr0, then twistzz left coz he couldn't stand your shit anymore, now you're throwing fallen and grim under the bus because of your ego. I hope you perform much worse over the years, people forget about you.
2021-11-23 21:16
13 replies
#114
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India sAAAks
I watched all the games of liquid and analysed it and it clearly shows lack of info from b sites as he said grim is good with aim not with his info play,was he right to throw him under the bus no but I prefer honest opinion then just bullshit everything is ok
2021-11-23 21:29
2 replies
But with the current NA situation, Grim needed a lot more cheering. Nobody will try him and the guy just needed to be micro-managed. Stew should a veteran, a supportive player, not that prick egoistic.
2021-11-23 21:45
1 reply
#384
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India sAAAks
Cheering time is for 1 to 3 month not whole career u need to learn and play at the same time at high level. every igl u listen too say u need new player with communication skill apart from what u have common that is aim
2021-11-24 06:47
Twistzz was kicked and didn't leave on his own (confirmed by moses on HLTV confirmed)
2021-11-23 21:42
8 replies
at least he got a better team
2021-11-23 21:52
6 replies
and he has much better chances of hitting a higher individual peak with him staying in europe.
2021-11-23 22:00
Twistzz in Liquid, Intel Grand Twistzz in Faze, lol no shit
2021-11-24 03:17
4 replies
+1 twistzz in faze is garbage
2021-11-24 05:13
that's unfair, Liquid had a good run a few years ago and, since then, even before leaving to faze, twistzz wasn't achieving that much whatsoever. his new team is far superior IMO, especially if you consider the EU factor.
2021-11-24 12:53
2 replies
lets see what will happen after -olof +ropz
2021-11-25 04:07
1 reply
oh it'll be a totally different beast, ropz will change faze for good.
2021-11-25 13:35
Which was an insane move to begin with. Had they kept him and gotten FalleN as fifth, this would probably have been an entirely different story.
2021-11-23 23:24
grim has had some bad moments where experience would've made the difference but that doesnt happen often, but stewie's playstyle rewards 1/10 times where he does an aggressive play. it isn't like art where he can get away with it agree with you
2021-11-23 21:59
#74
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United States Waagz
So what does this mean for Stewie? Do we think Elige is going to stay and just build a team around him? It doesn't sound like Grim is going to stay. Fallen is leaving. What does Naf do? So many questions.
2021-11-23 21:16
1 reply
NAF will chill. And frag. And chill.
2021-11-23 23:22
battle of the egos sad to see i hope liquid can pull together a new roster
2021-11-23 21:16
1 reply
#149
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Denmark NipoCS
*Battle of role clashing*
2021-11-23 21:44
“I've always liked a player who's had a very strong mentality, like a killer mentality, and they come in and they're like a sponge.” LIQUID SPONGEY IS HAPPENING
2021-11-23 21:16
#79
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Spain Nepomu
He is only 23 it feels like he is 30
2021-11-23 21:17
- the reality that goes on behind the scenes is that elige doesn't want fallen or stew anymore. - against Fallen IGL and not wanting to follow the calls, of course it would go wrong. -I'm sad because, as I'm a fan of liquid, I really liked the fallen I would like it to work, but good luck.
2021-11-23 21:17
1 reply
and Elige sends the liquid just to affirm
2021-11-23 21:20
Stewie2kills
2021-11-23 21:17
TWO FACED TOILETTO
2021-11-23 21:20
#91
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United States EDBX
Time to bet all in Vitality?
2021-11-23 21:22
Poor grim
2021-11-23 21:22
3 replies
#103
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Greece RedWinter
man secret back to CS when((
2021-11-23 21:26
2 replies
I’d love to see them branch out from dota like og did, maybe secret need to win a ti :(
2021-11-23 21:28
1 reply
With sumail and ice ice ice they will win TI
2021-11-24 05:15
#97
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Philippines libon23
I understand that fallen and stewie2k was having issues on how to play the game since they were both the igls of the team. But what about elige ? I think he's just adding to the problem. He should've just let both fallen and stewie2k talk it out on how to play the game and just do his own thing like carrying them and stuff . sry bad English
2021-11-23 21:25
Elige toxic
2021-11-23 21:27
#107
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Do I sense a little bit of salt in this interview? Seems not all of them are parting in good terms.
2021-11-23 21:28
#108
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Portugal PTMONSTER
Rip Liquid
2021-11-23 21:28
So, they're picking an unexperienced and aggressive player and he's complaining that he's no leader and not playing passive? This is so dumb.
2021-11-23 21:29
" Initially Mike(grim) was not in the roster talks before we picked him up, we weren't able to get the roster that we wanted, and we were stuck with missing a fifth player so we really needed one to stand-in. For us Mike was on a trial phase and for me, I felt like it was kind of forced on to our roster". i wonder who could've joined insted of grim
2021-11-23 21:31
4 replies
a liquid should have continued with the Brazilian player TACO
2021-11-23 21:47
junior?
2021-11-23 21:59
1 reply
nah probably someone who switched to val
2021-11-23 22:05
#311
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Japan PKcrash
they were trying to get oSee or WARDELL before Grim
2021-11-24 01:34
#119
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Switzerland beastHTG
Stew is gonna join faze
2021-11-23 21:32
Elige being toxic as usual
2021-11-23 21:32
1 reply
Nah, the Bot2k is the toxic one here
2021-11-23 21:39
#129
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Ukraine futplxyer
The refrezh 1v5 truly killed this roster .. was such a pivotal moment for chokequid!
2021-11-23 21:38
2 replies
+1 refrezh put chokequid into the mud one last time
2021-11-23 21:42
nothing but respect for refrezh kkkkkkk he did liquid dirt
2021-11-23 21:56
" For me when I was calling, I cannot be on the other side of the map and trying to call something, so we needed Mike to learn that. For me, he was a very slow learner, it kind of hurt us a bit in the long run" OOF
2021-11-23 21:37
#131
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Brazil rodrigocm
He says he wanted an experienced guy, to be the team leader. Surely the players approved the coming of fallen, because no team would hire a "leader" that was not approved. Then he complains that the style is different, and, using his analogy, it would be like if you hired Westbrook to be the PF of an NBA team. They knew how he played. Blaming everything on Fallen being outdated and unwilling to improve, and Grim being a guy with good aim, but dumb and unwilling to learn, or as he said himself "a slow learner". He doesn't talk about himself, the elige or the NAF as wrong at any time. TL;DR Stewie is toxic and thinks he is right about everything.
2021-11-23 21:37
4 replies
But can you really be surprised by that? Steven10am has been a hot pile of garbo for quite a while
2021-11-23 22:06
#227
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Netherlands Venicious
He really went on a rant about Grim, he is so fed up with it that i might actually believe that Grim maybe just is a lazy and low IQ talent.
2021-11-23 22:53
2 replies
Which is crazy because he was actually better before coming into the Liquid ecosystem.
2021-11-23 23:20
1 reply
#464
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Netherlands Venicious
Yea i guess some players just dont go together lol
2021-11-24 15:32
cis cs = play to win na cs = play for ego🤡🤡🤡
2021-11-23 21:38
3 replies
+1111
2021-11-23 21:39
+1111111111
2021-11-23 23:19
And there is EU CS play for paycheck
2021-11-24 05:17
Whiny bitch :D
2021-11-23 21:38
Snake2k?
2021-11-23 21:39
#139
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Denmark NipoCS
holy shit this interview really shared the truth about the problems.
2021-11-23 21:40
12 replies
the truth about everyone except stew? he never once said anything bad about himself which is funny considering he has played fucking shit this year
2021-11-23 21:41
11 replies
#144
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Denmark NipoCS
He said he sucked in IGL role? Also i think this interview describes the situation not a roast of team liquid.
2021-11-23 21:43
10 replies
"Then eventually, I was struggling a little bit, and people liked the way that FalleN was calling again, so we decided that maybe FalleN can just have this shot again, and this time we're really going to let him implement his style." I was struggling a little bit =/= im shit at IGL'ing
2021-11-23 21:44
9 replies
#154
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Denmark NipoCS
yeah? struggling = shit.
2021-11-23 21:45
8 replies
xDDDDDDDDDDDD struggling because grim needed his "hand held all the time". Aka, let me put more blame on others on why I can't IGL.
2021-11-23 21:46
7 replies
I'm a veteran of cs, but I can handle micro-managed one guy. The guy basically say he is a failure of IGL and an egoist player.
2021-11-23 21:51
6 replies
yeah but he didnt word it that way. we know he is a failure but he is making it out to be that everyone else has caused him to struggle
2021-11-23 21:52
1 reply
I know, but I see it that way. If the guy cannot handle pressure and cannot help others, what is doing as a veteran player ?
2021-11-23 21:54
#215
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Japan Haachama
Y’all just hate stewie for telling the truth
2021-11-23 22:43
3 replies
I have to admit, he was honnest. But he is not the selfless, cheerful leader that many ppl think he is. For that reason, he was a shitty igl . Na is full of egos like him. He acts like a young star player, not a veteran.
2021-11-23 23:52
2 replies
+1
2021-11-24 00:03
#290
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Japan Haachama
True asf
2021-11-24 00:09
#140
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
DAMN this interview was good
2021-11-23 21:40
#153
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France PP_Bizon
Pretty decent interview
2021-11-23 21:45
This is one of the best interviews in a long time at HLTV. Stew just spitted out all the problems in the team. The fun part is that the roster has all these problems and NAF is just chilling there.
2021-11-23 21:46
2 replies
In the eyes of Stew.
2021-11-23 21:48
1 reply
This doesn't change the fact it was a great interview... He could just avoided all the questions and talked bland shit.
2021-11-23 21:52
Talks about Grim's ethics and at the same time gives an interview being completely unethical and childish. Imo, you just dont have to wash your dirty linen in public. Unfortunate move that shows us what a shitty atmosphere they're living in and the result of having so much ego.
2021-11-23 21:51
#168
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United States kalimbo
Welcome to EG Stew
2021-11-23 21:51
stewie just rekt bot grim kkkkkkk
2021-11-23 21:54
Grim and jun1or linking up again plz
2021-11-23 21:56
#182
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France t3r4byt3
No holding back on Grim, damn
2021-11-23 21:57
grim :'(
2021-11-23 21:58
EG Stew NAF RUSH Autimatic Cerq Liquid EliGe Nitr0 Brehze Shox oSee You heard it here first
2021-11-23 22:05
5 replies
#193
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United States EDBX
What about obo grim and junior?
2021-11-23 22:07
1 reply
Cloud9 grim oBo Junior swisher/cynic stanislaw
2021-11-24 00:08
#194
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United States EDBX
Eg: Naf Stewie Brehze Cerq Stan TL: Elige Grim Nitr0 Shox RUSH
2021-11-23 22:08
2 replies
Rush in Liquid? This doesn't make much sense, as Rush is a great friend of EG players. Maybe: -Stan +Rush and -Rush +Kennys, El1an, oSee, Monesy...
2021-11-23 23:02
You know FalleN kept up with Elige's bullshit, shox won't :) I dare Elige to go toxic with shox, the guy will show him his place in a week max. TL lineup with elige won't work. He needs to be kicked. Also nitro joining TL would be the biggest blunder even bigger than FalleN joining them. EG can do soo much better than stewie. Stewie will bring them down too.
2021-11-24 02:15
It's sad that this team didn't work.
2021-11-23 22:09
1 reply
Exactly :(
2021-11-23 23:18
#203
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Brazil Elakk
tl;dr: i'm dumb and can't listen do one of the greatest minds of all time
2021-11-23 22:17
2 replies
flag checks out FalleN is bot igl, but yeah he still good player but his IGL skills like GO A / GO B
2021-11-23 23:11
1 reply
FalleN might not be the top IGL in the planet, but he's calm, doesn't tilt and go crazy like stew, and can actually frag on the server despite being several years older...
2021-11-23 23:17
holy shit this team really is a wreck
2021-11-23 22:19
wow, stew is blameless in their play eh? certainly comes off that way here
2021-11-23 22:23
1 reply
He's a bottomfragger talking big game.
2021-11-23 23:16
-Fallen -Grim +automatic and +nitr0
2021-11-23 22:36
Stewie has a big problem. He thinks that he's really god player and igl... He played so much better when Fallen start to IGL, because before he was playing like trash. This interview was clear... he will play with Naf or Naf does nothing for the team development, only plays because he needs salary. To Grim, we all know his difficulties about the game. NA has not good tier 1 players and he was the best of the american poor teams.
2021-11-23 22:37
#214
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Peru Bas1905
refrezh effect!
2021-11-23 22:39
+ Liquid in 2020 with Stewie IGLing, 3rd to 4rd best NA team behind Furia, EG and Extremum. + Liquid in 2021 with Fallen IGLing, 1st or 2nd best NA team with Furia.
2021-11-23 22:46
1 reply
Keep in mind that the other teams are basically gone...
2021-11-23 23:04
what an fucking ego.. what the hell seriously
2021-11-23 22:46
Expected, a team shuffling IGLs like that was already suspicious. Either the administration decided to get fallen even though the players did not want him, or the players are simply that dumb and agreed to get an IGL and then not follow his lead. No NASA diploma is recquired to know that if a team (of anything really, even outside sports) does not follow its leader, that things will go to the shitcan rather quickly. Dude then proceeds to shit on Grim. Oh well.
2021-11-23 22:47
1 reply
yeah and you know the funny thing? Stewie actually played with FalleN before.. so he knew what FalleN was gonna bring to the table. This Stewie guy is complete BS lol. I really hope he retires from CS and go do F all in valorant or something. Our beautiful game don't need people like stewie or elige.
2021-11-24 02:10
lmao this is a interview of its own kind , Stew really went havoc on Grim in particular while confirming the 3 giants of the team never saw eye to eye with each other. Moses jumped the ship at the right time , he was hinting at this the whole time. Meanwhile NAF doesnt give a single F about whats happening lmao.
2021-11-23 22:49
1 reply
Absolutely insane indeed. What a shitshow NA CS is
2021-11-24 10:55
He already flamed everybody but naf
2021-11-23 22:56
2 replies
how can anybody hate NAF-FLY? :/
2021-11-24 11:17
1 reply
I mean he is a professional player
2021-11-24 11:22
stewie should join tylo soon
2021-11-23 23:00
5 replies
stewie is the most hated player in China lol
2021-11-24 03:24
4 replies
#429
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Japan Haachama
What did he do
2021-11-24 11:26
3 replies
"My Bag is lost, ofc its china" - Stewie2k on twitter, 3/11/2018 literally triggered 85% chinese csgo fans. Before this tweet, he was one of the most popular NA player in China
2021-11-25 03:59
2 replies
#489
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Japan Haachama
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD To be fair WESG was such a shitshow
2021-11-25 04:12
1 reply
agree xddddd IEM Beijing and CAC so much better than WESG
2021-11-25 04:20
this clown stewie2k blaming everyone when he was the weakest link and he's been washed up for 3 years now LMAO the EGO on some players......
2021-11-23 23:04
1 reply
Pretty crazy considering he bottomfragged so many games... way more than Grim and FalleN.
2021-11-23 23:10
#244
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Russia brezyyy
Stewie lives in 2017 where he is still a superstar seems like
2021-11-23 23:06
1 reply
Seems like it indeed.
2021-11-23 23:09
I like Stew, but he was pretty shady with some comments... I know he's angry, but he should know to protect his team mates more.
2021-11-23 23:08
FalleN bad igl Grim bad player and Stewie is the best player in the world??? stfu!
2021-11-23 23:09
one of the most blatantly honest articles ever... He gave incredible insight into the team in just the span of an interview. ig that's what happens when u know roster changes are imminent
2021-11-23 23:10
Elige is the problem elige is obviously one if not the best player in NA but he has that annoying passive aggressive style that makes everyone walk on eggshells consistently… I remember watching the Pickems video and there were laughing and elige said b tier or something and no one agreed and said a different tier elige then doesn’t talk or move for the next 10 minutes and that’s a bad sign/trait to have in a team even for low tier teams like open IM Main etc if you have that one teammate your don’t feel comfortable around playing it can ruin the whole flow of the game… just try to get breheze or obo where actual leadership can work.. ps: I also had a teammate freak the fuck out for getting shot in the back on a 12-3 t sided vertigo playoff game and then we lost 16-13 cause he freaked out and threw everyone off the rest of the game
2021-11-23 23:19
5 replies
Elige is the problem but stewie 10 am tweet, the fact he did not recognize fallen igl, his poor performance. Stew is shameless.
2021-11-23 23:57
3 replies
Yeah stewie was pretty stupid for that tweet and also imagine if elige didn’t chase twistz away new line up could have been NAF brehze obo twistz and then you could pick up an English speaking awper from eu or even cis or your mix could be insane but decided to always go with what elige says
2021-11-24 00:50
exactly, at the end of the day you can get over a toxic player. its a mental thing, stewie's constant dogshit performances are a physical problem and were clearly the problem in liquid for the past 2 years. i will be very disappointed if he is not cut after blast.
2021-11-24 04:35
1 reply
The guy is literally surfing on his major win and he is sacrificing for his team. The running knife "entry" was the prime example. Even if grim was not extraordinary, he didnt commit stupid mistakes like him. He constantly try to prove that he is still the smoke criminal and losing important duels without proper spacing.
2021-11-24 05:01
Now that you mentioned the Pick 'em videos I also remember the TL Olympics, Elige's facial expression completely changes when they mention the 1v5 they've lost to Heroic. This passive-agressive nature is quitle perceptable at moment TL is on a slump. I love him as player, but sometimes I get some diva vibes from Elige
2021-11-24 00:20
Grim In the mud, Stewie ruthless
2021-11-23 23:18
#268
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Brazil drydden
What's the point in signing an IGL if you don't want to listen to him, sounds braindead to me
2021-11-23 23:25
wtf does that even mean?
2021-11-23 23:26
#272
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Finland AliSabid
oof
2021-11-23 23:30
#279
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North America soduk_db
Extra Salt should totally -JT +Grim as soon as he's available IMO.
2021-11-23 23:47
1 reply
JT is their IGL if I’m not mistaken. He’d be replacing Fang or Marke.
2021-11-24 02:33
#281
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Brazil buliolfc
funny how he threw everyone under the bus but didn't acknowledge he played as shit the whole fucking year and takes no blame for the shit results
2021-11-23 23:50
2 replies
+1
2021-11-24 02:06
#483
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Chile cap_
Thats what I thought lmao, such an ego to dont see your own trash mistakes...
2021-11-24 23:39
good interview :DD
2021-11-23 23:52
#285
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United States DudeGuy96
It's always the bottomfragger who is the most toxic.
2021-11-23 23:55
2 replies
There was a experiment conducted by the University of New South Wales where they went into competitive FPS games using male and female voices. What they found was that female voices were 3x more likely to receive negativity (that was a given,) and the higher skilled players said less toxic things than lower skilled players. It’s actually a really interesting read if you have the time. Not sure if I can link it, but you can find it pretty easily on Google.
2021-11-24 02:38
1 reply
Interesting but hold up there: if you keep stating such findings twitch chat will call you a stupid "SJW"
2021-11-24 10:57
Entry fragger stewie disagreeing with 2x major winner FalleN about what system they will use, wtf man xD
2021-11-23 23:56
Stew is the problem and wherever he goes will fail. Unfortunate, don't hate the guy or anything.
2021-11-24 00:09
2 replies
#295
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United States K1NGKY
Most successful North American player LMAO, only player in the region with a major and a grand slam, liquid didn't win anything before he came, don't be dumb !
2021-11-24 00:28
1 reply
I respect all that, just think it's him that has the attitude problem unfortunately and his quality of play his slipped as well. One of those things might be ok still, but both are a recipe for failure. Guess we'll see and maybe I'm wrong.
2021-11-24 00:30
if you sign an igl and you dont like his style, its just your own fault.. what the hell grim, naf - they have no place in tier 1 tbh, stewie was good, not anymore. i feel so bad for elige, such a talented guy, but never had a chance to play in a good team. that's probably his last chance to play with a decent lineup, hope liquid makes something good.
2021-11-24 00:27
7 replies
xaxa, naf is better than most eu players
2021-11-24 00:29
6 replies
a skilled player, but he has no winner mentality, which is crucial. people like him have no place in t1. i dont think someone can disagree with that.
2021-11-24 00:34
5 replies
I don't think he has a loser mentality either. NAF is pretty passive, not a drama person. I agree with you, Elige is a really good player, whatever his recent performance. Don't blame NAF for the current situation in Liquid. He didnt help, but he didnt put oil on the fire. NAF, at the opposite of Elige, don't take stuff too personally, which I think is better mentality for t1 cs.
2021-11-24 00:44
Of course he is demoralized, everyone is at each other throats. You can't expect a positive environment when the rest of the team doesn't cooperate.
2021-11-24 00:42
2 replies
I don't understand why he talked about the bad mentality of NAf, but don't think Elige has a questionnable mentality.
2021-11-24 00:46
1 reply
He thinks that naf is ignoring the team, in reality he just doesn't show that much emotion and is, as you said, a passive guy.
2021-11-24 00:50
Bro's a sloth you df. If he doesn't show a lot of emotion doesn't mean he has no winner mentality. Dude's as chill as the ice what makes the team can glued together for so long. Watch his stream. We all need a calm and collected monk like him in a team.
2021-11-24 02:40
#309
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Lithuania Jaguaras
most toxic interview I have ever read on hltv :D but interesting
2021-11-24 01:02
1 reply
He gained my respect
2021-11-24 02:42
#310
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Andorra breasts
"and EliGE did as well" xD stewie is the worst type of person
2021-11-24 01:21
#312
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Germany Teztyment
I don't know how anyone could like Stewie. Kid's annoying and weights about 90 pounds.
2021-11-24 01:39
Banger interview. I agree with all the comments.. grim has underperformed but so has stew and he should take some responsibility.
2021-11-24 01:43
Too much sauce StewieBotK.
2021-11-24 01:46
Blame game on Grim. Lol what have stewie and elige done in the past 1 year? Stop shitting on Grim and take up the responsibility. Singing FalleN was a bad move from the outset, you already knew what he was going to bring to the table. Don't give this bs that his playstyle/igling is different from yours. You played with him before in SK you should have known what kinda playstyle hes going to bring. BS!!!! absolute BS!! Also what's up with all this excuse travelling to EU is tough and all that? Learn something from FalleN teams of 2015-2016 etc. Go and watch fer or fnx Player Profiles from the Major. Look how much they sacrificed to play the game that they loved. Stop with all these excuses already stewie ffs. NA players are so annoying jeez. They want everything to be their way.. :S
2021-11-24 02:00
1 reply
Yeah about the whole travel to EU and fnx and fer, NA players are spoiled they don't had to grind what those guys had to grind to get out of SA, than NA and EU. So anything that goes off the circuit of NA is too much to handle, this flame makes all the difference
2021-11-24 03:13
Very in depth answers = good, lets se if the above said becomes a reality
2021-11-24 02:11
Why bring an IGL if you're not planning to follow his calls? Not trying to defend fallen, he too underperformed, but bring an experienced IGL but sticking to your former strats is just stupid
2021-11-24 02:27
2 replies
+1
2021-11-24 02:48
+1
2021-11-24 03:03
Just bring back Nitr0 for god sake.
2021-11-24 02:35
3 replies
Jake "autimatic" Yip is the solution to NA Bring him back to CS please
2021-11-24 02:39
1 reply
Autimatic was already deep in the belly no hope for him anymore.
2021-11-24 02:41
yup he is much better than fallen rn because fallen is getting old and isn't as good as he used to be at awpng
2021-11-24 02:41
lmao what you bring in grim who had no prior tier 1 experience before and you expect him to suddenly learn everything your a joke stew
2021-11-24 02:40
1 reply
#342
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Canada AyyyJayyy
+11111111111111
2021-11-24 03:02
stewie2k, fallen and NAF are leaving new liquid: grim, elige, shox, osee and nitro(?)
2021-11-24 02:52
#341
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Canada AyyyJayyy
What he learned is that he's a washed up, stoner asshole who can't bully his teammates into doing his 0iq strats. Fucking moron...
2021-11-24 03:02
2 replies
Thorin's opinion don't matter
2021-11-24 04:50
1 reply
He is one of the best we got and what he said is totally accurate whether you like it or not :)
2021-11-24 05:20
didn't have to do grim like that jesus
2021-11-24 03:46
way too many people get caught up in stewie's 'celebrity' status and forget hes statistically one of the worst T1 pros in counter strike and never shows up in important matches. cutting stewie was warranted 2 years ago. as if hes turning around and claiming liquids failures on grim. enough is enough.
2021-11-24 04:26
1 reply
very true. he was playing off the major winner title for way too long. I really think if Liquid cut Stew long ago and let Grim play his role maybe things would have been much better and the clash with Fallen is not as bad as well.
2021-11-24 04:28
Good interview and got a lot of insights regarding Liquid internal problems and here are my conclusions: 1. Seems like the biggest clash of personalities/styles in Liquid is Stew+Elige vs. Fallen. Grim & Naf have very weak personality so even though they disagree they probably don't say anything. 2. Seems like its more of Stew & Elige problems to not follow through with Fallen's strat, which leads to Liquid falling apart. I agree with whatever Stew said about Liquid building their own brand, but that only worked with the players they had in the past. They need to adapt to new changes but seems like Stew & Elige just can't let go of their huge egos. 3. The fact that Stew threw Grim under the bus like that really damages his reputation and respect for a major winner. Literally Liquid picked up the top star in tier 2 teams and put him in a completely different role, then let him play tier 1 and ask him to perform well. Like wtf? Imagine putting Sancho in CDM and ask him to play well in the 1st year.. it makes 0 sense and Stew/Liquid has absolutely no rights to blame Grim. I agree his work ethics could be better but he wasn't the one with main fault here. Overall I think despite being honest, Stew showed a very negative side of himself as a player. He fully blamed the 2 new pieces of the team and pulling Elige on his side to act like they are innocent. He completely neglected the fact that he played so bad for the majority of 2021 and instead just pointed fingers at other team members. I really don't understand how they will be able to sit next to each other and play matches in Blast. The whole team's mentality seems completely doomed...
2021-11-24 04:26
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+1. Well said sir. Totally agree
2021-11-24 05:51
To react on your 2nd point, they signed FalleN to be the IGL because Stew didn't want to take that role anymore. They were going to slowly transition to FalleN. Also wtf was the coach doing the whole time? He's supposed to have an eye on all of this and help build a system which suits best for everyone. And finally, his statement about Liquid identity is just complete garbage, it worked well because everyone was on fire individually and they outskilled everyone. Trading is just one aspect of this game and it's mostly seen in pug-style teams where they just have the basics and go for all aim no brain tactics. I don't understand why they didn't put the best of both world but whatever. I liked the way FalleN was calling prior to the major and even at the major they had great calls.
2021-11-24 14:41
flags check out (news flag)
2021-11-24 04:51
3 different voices in 1 team? The hell. What elige is even doing there, he isn't an igl and why does he control such stuff. And stewie should curl up and maybe listen to the igl brought into the team.Yes, you're the only NA player to have a major and a grand slam but dude sounds he conquered the world once. Trying to appease every voice in the team, they effed themselves over. This is what karrigan said about OG when nbk was in team, too many strong voices in team isn't a good thing , it'll fall apart eventually.
2021-11-24 05:23
Stewie2k is defenitely not good enough if Liquid wanna be top1
2021-11-24 05:29
stfu and go to valorent ok
2021-11-24 06:20
Trash2k welcome to Valorant
2021-11-24 06:52
Can we all just agree here that things went to the dumpster as soon as they kicked nitr0
2021-11-24 07:13
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I completely agree. Ever since nitr0 left, this team is in shambles. Unless nitr0 returns to CS, this team has no chance of competiting with T1 teams rn. They can, without a doubt, do big things without nitr0 but they gotta play the game for the wins and not for the paychecks and sponsors.
2021-11-24 07:56
Why the fuck is stewie throwing grim under the bus? Grim has a higher rating right now lmao
2021-11-24 07:37
Sorry bot2k, but you are nothing without tarik! tarik, auti, and ska carried you in major! elige and naf carried you to grand slam! you are noob bot2k!
2021-11-24 07:44
Stewie2k just threw Grim under the bus. Shame on Stew for that. Agreed that the kid doesn't have the work ethic but what more can you expect from a newly added player, with no prior Tier 1 Experience? Doesn't make any fucking sense. 1 Major Win Ego got to Stew.
2021-11-24 07:54
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Newly added player he's been there more than a year mate 😬😅
2021-11-24 09:52
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But the roles they made him play made him underperform at times but the guy has stepped up for that at times.
2021-11-24 15:11
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I'm not saying grim was the problem actually both stew and fallen were all the team liquid problems at least stew contributes in the fragging department fallen didn't add shit to that team lmao
2021-11-25 08:35
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Fallen performed kind of okay-ish like he didn't hit crazy flicks like he used to. IGLing wise it was alot of ups and downs. They need nitr0 back more than ever. Nitr0 is the only one that can save TL.
2021-11-25 08:53
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Naaah liquid is done
2021-11-25 14:43
I think stew2k is not capable of playing with full potential. He is not enjoying CS bcoz he loss many matches.
2021-11-24 08:00
stew is not good i thikn
2021-11-24 08:15
#399
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North America Dylan123
Liquid new lineup : Elige, Naf, Stew, Nitr0, (anyone)
2021-11-24 08:17
OK cheater, Stew2k is not capable of playing with full potential whitout cheat
2021-11-24 08:47
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what? what makes you think he is cheating?
2021-11-24 09:17
Stew 23 Grim 21 Calling him ”kid” :D
2021-11-24 08:57
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as in he is new in tier 1 cs
2021-11-24 09:17
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Tier 1 🤡🤡🤡
2021-11-24 09:51
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wdym?
2021-11-24 11:52
stewie is going to complexity with rush
2021-11-24 09:05
When they signed fallen I've seen this day year ago lmao like signing a washed up player can help you tf is you smoking my guy ?
2021-11-24 09:50
fallen too set in his ways, stewie bad since the mibr incident, grim just not good enough. i'd only keep elige and naf if im liquid
2021-11-24 10:25
Two contrasting interviews released on the same day. One where the GOAT IGL respects his teammates and answered all questions respectfully. The other who shits on all his teammates.
2021-11-24 10:28
Now, to hell to all the fucking fanboys back when I was screaming from 2 years ago that Stew was the real problem and he needs to be removed but all I got was "he's the only NA player to win both major and Grand Slam you dumb fuck". Guess, I was fucking right all the way. No way EG is picking up this shit. Go to Valorant.
2021-11-24 10:47
not him blaming fallen but he been playing like a bot like forever. what a joke. fallen deserves better.
2021-11-24 12:04
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respect stew
2021-11-24 12:32
Although I don't like it when dirty laundry is exposed in public, it's no secret the lineup will have major a reshuffle before next year.. so might as well just put your own version out there. I always felt some way about Stewie -don't know if it was his attitude or comments around him, but I gotta give it to him here for being so transparent and honest, without shit storming on the team in an unprofessional way that would impact/compromise their performance as a team in the short term. I am quite sure they had this conversation internally and said something like "ok, this is shit, this how I feel and how you feel, we ain't staying together so let's just play until changes are made". This interview actually made me appreciate Stewie. GL going forward guys.
2021-11-24 13:18
overrated when he was "good", NA ego, stewie10am, shits on teammates but doesn't admit own faults must be bot2k
2021-11-24 13:18
Stewie blaming everyone is not the best way to handle the situation. - The team already had problems and that's why they changed the team asking for Fallen. - They need a new IGL and at the same time Stewie wanted to keep IGL'ing - With bad results, they opened the role for Fallen and liked the way he was calling, - It was confortable for everyone but at the same time there was EGO due to the fact that both Stewie and Elige were not calling most of the time as before. - The results did not appear and they had to blame someone else, which was GRIM. I remember seeing GRIM playing on Inferno almost static at the bombsite ALONE. Different from other sports CSGO has few T1 teams that could pay something for the players. Fallen , Stewie and GRIM would already be on other T1/T1.5 team, free and happy.
2021-11-24 13:23
wow if anyone signs this guy they deverse to loose their money... if i was liquid i would take no practice as contract breach and fire them.. how are they still on a payroll....
2021-11-24 13:34
Damn, wish teams were this honest all the time, this is the actual situation for about 60% of the teams at any given moment, most of them resolve their conflicts but you never really hear it like Stewie just served it. GL to Liquid & FalleN
2021-11-24 14:32
This is bullshit, if they liked how FalleN was calling, why do they keep interfering with him as an IGL? And instead of throwing shit at Grim, adjust your own roles to have EliGE or Stew to lurk. That's what cold was doing for FalleN he was calling on his side to help FalleN take the final decisions. Give the other one the entry role and have Grim 2nd entry. In terms of roles, I don't see any problems with this current lineup. You can even have NAF lurk, I just don't understand where the clashes are coming from. Everyone wants to be an IGL these days but when you're not a dedicated IGL how can you fucking interfere everytime. It's raging to read this, he didn't want to IGL anymore, but went back to it, then he didn't want to anymore, then again.... and back & forth we go. Fucking be a second caller and that's it. What a team of clowns.
2021-11-24 14:34
nitr0, EliGE, NAF, and Twistzz will forever be my favorite Team Liquid core. With Stewie they achieved the greatest result. But it was never going to last. Over time they disintegrated. He broke Liquid. I don't care anymore. I too have lost interest. But I take pleasure in his imminent removal. They will never be as successful again. But for a moment, they were godz. As much as I must give him credit in their meteoric success, I also credit him with their destruction. What a ride. Now gtfo.
2021-11-24 14:45
Stewie seems to be heavily lacking social skills.
2021-11-24 14:46
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Stop projecting buddy
2021-11-24 15:37
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Did you even read the interview, or did you went straight to comments?
2021-11-24 18:26
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If you think he has no social skills your braindead, just because he was harsh doesnt mean hes inept. The truth hurts sometimes, coming to terms with it is healthy, grow up and learn that
2021-11-24 18:42
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When confidence gets replaced by arrogance, you are lacking social skills IMO. I despise arrogance, my own as well when it pops up. TL need Nitro back as a humble leader of a pack which sometimes thinks too highly of themselves. Oh, btw, I love people who believe all other gamers are younger than themselves, calling them kids, telling them to grow up and alike. That's kind of arrogant to trust your assumptions that much. But hey, make an excuse and tell me I sound like I need to grow up, act like a 15 year old or whatever makes your boat float, giving you a good sleep. Sleep tight mate. PS. I am most likely more than twice as old as the average HLTV user (44). I have taken enough shit in my young years to not care much people attempting to bully me (But I dislike others being bullied, and always steps in IRL.) I have been a gamer since I was 5 years old. I am no newcomer to this, even though I am as old as I am. It has always been a big part of my life, just like it will be a big part of the lives of the current youth when they reach my age.
2021-11-24 22:21
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Theres no arrogance in this post, wtf are you talking about. Discussing issues on the team and specifying problems that certain players had is now called arrogance? Thats news to me. Just because youre 44 doesnt mean youre mature, you act like a child and cant understand basic human interaction. Its not all peaches and cream 24/7, the players are humans and have emotions.
2021-11-25 03:33
The possible lineup Stewie (AWPer/Lurker) NAF Elige ? tarik (IGL) ? RUSH (Support) My imagination nitr0 NAF Elige Brehze RUSH Then new C9/EG: Stewie tarik Grim oBo Annihilation (star player)
2021-11-24 15:18
lmfao one of the best articles of this year for sure
2021-11-24 16:07
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honestly there's been so many golden articles this year :D best year on hltv so far
2021-11-24 16:58
You know, back in the day when SK chose Felps he is just like Grim the best player of a tier 2 team(Immortals in the time was tier2), and he was Aggressive too, But SK already had a aggressive player (Fer), in the begining the team struggle so fucking much, but in some point Felps got used to do another roles and they dominated 2017, and this happened in like 2-3 months, and guess who was the IGL at the time? Yes Fallen, so LET HE DO HIS JOB, this about "slow learner"is BS, you are a terrible teacher stewie. This interview for me is the BS at highest levels, stewie2k and Elige are egocentrics fuckers.
2021-11-24 17:27
He kept it real. I still think Elige is the problem and he will get exposed hard.
2021-11-24 17:59
Interesting interview. Alot of bus throwing.
2021-11-24 18:43
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