Sources: Complexity in talks to sign Extra Salt trio; add Grim, junior

Should the deal for Copenhagen Flames fall through, the Dallas-based organization have already lined up another roster they could acquire heading into 2022.

Complexity are in talks to acquire the core of Extra Salt, sources familiar with the situation tell HLTV.org. Additionally, the team are looking to add Liquid rifler Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince in place of Edgar "⁠MarKE⁠" Maldonado, a move which would reunite the 21-year-old with Paytyn "⁠junior⁠" Johnson, who was reported to be joining the roster by Dust2.us.

Complexity initially emerged as a frontrunner to buy the roster of Copenhagen Flames after the Danish team impressed at PGL Major Stockholm, but talks between the two organizations stalled for a period, leaving the possibility of them reaching a deal in jeopardy — as first reported by Dexerto. The same outlet indicated Complexity have since begun to analyze their other options, including the possibility of building a North American roster.

Grim will look to return to superstar form with a new set of teammates

According to our sources, one of the prime candidates to be acquired by Complexity is the core of Extra Salt, who have been the most promising team to emerge from North America’s tier two scene in the past two years, making a case against international opposition throughout 2021 and recently securing a spot in ESL Pro League Season 15.

Despite the reported impending departure of their star AWPer Josh "⁠oSee⁠" Ohm to Liquid, the team still has a strong foundation, featuring in-game leader Johnny "⁠JT⁠" Theodosiou and two talented riflers in Ricky "⁠floppy⁠" Kemery and Justin "⁠FaNg⁠" Coakley.

Sources familiar with the situation tell HLTV.org that the lineup are also aiming to bolster their firepower with the addition of Grim, who would link up with former Triumph teammate junior as he joins the roster in oSee's place.

While nothing has been finalized, discussions between Complexity and Extra Salt are well underway, with buyouts for the players already agreed upon. The move, should it come to fruition, could offer the North American prospects the chance to consistently compete against tier one opposition, with Complexity being a partner team in both the BLAST and ESL Pro Tour circuits.

When contacted by HLTV.org, Complexity declined to comment on the report, but confirmed that they were looking at multiple options. Extra Salt declined to comment.

If the deal is finalized, Complexity would be:

South Africa Johnny "⁠JT⁠" Theodosiou
Canada Justin "⁠FaNg⁠" Coakley
United States Ricky "⁠floppy⁠" Kemery
United States Paytyn "⁠junior⁠" Johnson
United States Michael "⁠Grim⁠" Wince

South Africa Tiaan "⁠T.c⁠" Coertzen (coach)

United States Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Josh 'oSee' Ohm
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.11
Maps played:
1021
KPR:
0.75
DPR:
0.63
United States Ricky 'floppy' Kemery
Ricky 'floppy' Kemery
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
738
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.66
United States Michael 'Grim' Wince
Michael 'Grim' Wince
Age:
21
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
817
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.68
Canada Justin 'FaNg' Coakley
Justin 'FaNg' Coakley
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
576
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.68
Mexico Edgar 'MarKE' Maldonado
Edgar 'MarKE' Maldonado
Age:
23
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
925
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.65
South Africa Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Johnny 'JT' Theodosiou
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.96
Maps played:
986
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.67
United States Paytyn 'junior' Johnson
Paytyn 'junior' Johnson
Age:
21
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
403
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.60
Nice
2021-12-21 15:31
46 replies
markE was cut off cuz hes latino 100%
2021-12-21 15:44
41 replies
and his washed
2021-12-21 15:45
24 replies
MarkE >>>>>>>>>> JT
2021-12-21 16:21
22 replies
yeah but JT is the igl
2021-12-21 16:24
10 replies
Hot take: I think this roster has the potential to take strong teams like 00nation and chococheck to 3 maps
2021-12-21 17:01
9 replies
put it back in the microwave, this take needs 2 more minutes at 900W
2021-12-21 17:03
2 replies
hahahahaha CPH probably regret throwing 0-16 to Nemiga lmao
2021-12-21 17:10
1 reply
Complexity core should always be American
2021-12-21 21:57
“Strong teams” 00nation Pick one
2021-12-21 18:33
2 replies
that is the joke
2021-12-21 18:51
1 reply
00nation but not chococheck i guess 😂
2022-01-07 02:13
00meme
2021-12-21 18:58
Don't insult my boys like that
2021-12-21 19:15
#392
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United States hondayzx
>strong teams >00nation pick one
2021-12-21 21:45
marke rank s streamsniper < johhny test aka igl
2021-12-21 16:44
-Fang + Marke
2021-12-21 18:41
3 replies
Fang 1 MVP - MarkE 1 NSG (Nachos, salsa, guacamole).
2021-12-21 18:43
2 replies
#347
MarKE | 
Mexico JV3k
racista
2021-12-21 19:21
1 reply
:o
2021-12-21 19:43
Still tho...rather pick Stanislaw , tarik , daps , fallen. Damn even Stewie would be better igl.
2021-12-21 23:44
4 replies
stew rumoured to EG with auti
2021-12-22 00:44
1 reply
auti major winner is back lets go boys
2021-12-22 14:48
Tarik? Why, are you high?
2021-12-22 03:39
1 reply
I mean Tarik is an NA IGL with a major under his belt…
2021-12-25 23:48
brainlet of the month
2021-12-22 08:22
How is he washed literally been averaging 1.15 hltv rating and he is top2 entry fraggers on NA rn
2021-12-21 20:45
bruh
2021-12-21 15:53
Nah, other players are just better
2021-12-21 15:56
lmao yeah, keep playing the race card
2021-12-21 16:04
1 reply
Mens it was joke memes banter laughter fun bait ok
2021-12-22 02:32
Good?
2021-12-21 16:20
+1
2021-12-21 16:44
#227
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
yeah they have someone from africa but latino is too far. name checks out.
2021-12-21 16:48
No, marke was picked up by a better team (team one)
2021-12-21 17:00
actually jason lake looks like that dude that voted for trump, I can imagine him in a red maga cap
2021-12-21 17:08
5 replies
If that's the case then I'm sure Jason Lake just wants to know he would play fair and by the rules..
2021-12-21 17:53
1 reply
Based
2021-12-21 18:58
You just made me a huge Lake fan if true.
2021-12-21 19:30
1 reply
#431, 3 args 1 ch
2021-12-22 02:41
nah, he´s probabbly not, #431
2021-12-22 02:40
Think it was because he sucks.
2021-12-21 19:25
actually col has a full latin american team in RL
2021-12-22 02:39
#91
NiKo | 
India ga7axy
Nice
2021-12-21 15:46
+1
2021-12-21 15:59
nice b8 but markE is insane but not T1 material
2021-12-21 16:03
OH YES
2021-12-21 18:06
nice
2021-12-21 15:31
5 replies
I think it's important for a roster to be tightly-bound, like a family, for it to work well in the long run. This is what Navi do, for example. Complexity has been shuffling players around a lot. I think this is not the best strategy to aim for great results.
2021-12-21 16:18
4 replies
#192
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Belgium FLNX
why are you commenting this on something that has nothing to do with what you're saying
2021-12-21 16:29
2 replies
complexity should never pick up a team as it would be a roster shuffle
2021-12-21 17:06
And why is that bothering you so much? :)
2021-12-21 18:09
If your an esports owner Stability > Results
2021-12-21 18:41
lez go
2021-12-21 15:31
POG, actually looks like a good roster and happy for grim
2021-12-21 15:32
18 replies
#55
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Denmark HypaboliK
happy for grim as well!
2021-12-21 15:38
7 replies
GRIMMERS RISE UP
2021-12-21 15:50
6 replies
#108
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Russia arc_
Any NAFFERS in the chat? SeriousSloth SeriousSloth SeriousSloth
2021-12-21 15:54
1 reply
we are all robots living in nafs world
2021-12-21 17:33
"Brothers Grim" would be a cooler name for Grim fans Side note, Grimoire would be a cool nick, he should change it to that. ;)
2021-12-21 16:25
2 replies
Brothers Grim actually works so well wtf Gonna start spreading this
2021-12-21 18:59
Grimbeciles
2021-12-21 22:26
#374
JT | 
North America b00tleg
"Minecraft Mike" they call him back home
2021-12-21 20:13
would be a nice all na team because only eu top tier events is boring af
2021-12-21 17:07
9 replies
#270
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Canada Femtal
we will have 3 top NA teams in 2022 EG with Stew, Breheze, autimatic, cerq Liquid with Shox, NAF, ELIGE, oSee Nitr0 and now Complexity these teams will all be top 15
2021-12-21 17:14
8 replies
liquid yes, es quite likely, eg dont know. stewie isnt a bad caller but auti, brehze, cerq all havent played in a while and auti been in valo so idk how good he will be. cerq and brehze have both been in a slump for a while now
2021-12-21 17:19
3 replies
#276
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Canada Femtal
Brehze said he was lacking motivation to play I don't blame him with the way the team chemestry was going + all the bots he had to play with (daps, stanislaw etc..)
2021-12-21 17:23
2 replies
#277
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Canada Femtal
cerq is also an unknown for me but he is skilled hopefully new team will bring more motivation
2021-12-21 17:24
1 reply
CeRq is really good, just needs the system with him. Teams been WAY too on the rocks for him to perform, may the Bulgarian Beast rise again!!!!
2021-12-21 20:09
Complexity EG and Extra Salt can get into top 15 remains to be seen
2021-12-21 18:42
1 reply
#328
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Canada Femtal
ES maybe not but COL will be ranked like 20 when the roster forms EG can reach top 15 with the talent they have on the team Liquid guaranteed top 10
2021-12-21 18:45
breheze is playing with 100t valorant. not looking like he's going to be playing cs professionally next year.
2021-12-22 12:16
1 reply
nice
2021-12-21 15:32
looks good team
2021-12-21 15:32
Nice
2021-12-21 15:32
top 3 team
2021-12-21 15:32
6 replies
*tier 3 team
2021-12-21 15:49
5 replies
#116
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Vietnam Christoo
So nice of you
2021-12-21 15:55
2 replies
yes men
2021-12-21 16:24
1 reply
#447
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Vietnam Christoo
Do you love me men?
2021-12-22 09:34
Username doesn’t check out, why do you wanna remove regions from cs? Only hurts the scene
2021-12-21 19:00
1 reply
Remove? No... but i dont wanna try keep regions alive just because. The players need to be good enough.. Spots to NA teams are a waste if there is better EU teams that have played better and grinded more. But just because they are NA they get free spot.
2021-12-21 21:20
this has potential ngl
2021-12-21 15:32
better than overrated cph
2021-12-21 15:32
4 replies
+1
2021-12-21 16:02
#150
iM | 
Romania Lupu
Respect Adryane
2021-12-21 16:05
lol no
2021-12-21 20:19
hell yeah it iz
2021-12-21 23:50
wtf
2021-12-21 15:32
rip cph flames
2021-12-21 15:32
nice
2021-12-21 15:32
ok
2021-12-21 15:32
hope they stay on europe
2021-12-21 15:32
1 reply
I think they will
2021-12-22 07:33
JT instead of MarkE? lol
2021-12-21 15:33
16 replies
he`s IGL , there arent many NA IGLS and all are shit in fragging department. Might as well stay with the one who already has chemistry with these guys
2021-12-21 15:34
6 replies
Fr. Only NA igl that was left is vanity and he left for valorant
2021-12-21 16:44
5 replies
#237
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Yugoslavia Gavvin
don't disrespect shakezullah vanity was probably NA's best after steel left, but there's still a couple floating around
2021-12-21 16:53
2021-12-21 17:09
#272
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Canada Femtal
not true nitr0 came back he is the best IGL in NA
2021-12-21 17:15
2 replies
he hasn't IGLd at tier 1 for a long time though i am predicting liquid has rough first results
2021-12-21 21:06
1 reply
#399
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Canada Femtal
I mean he still has the most achievements as a NA IGL
2021-12-21 22:07
JT is their IGL, individually Marke is obviously better, I hope he finds a good home should this deal come through
2021-12-21 15:35
7 replies
i see ES rebuild around him marke sonic rush obo +awp
2021-12-21 16:46
6 replies
True but finding a good AWP in current NA could be tough, they might need to go international to find one
2021-12-21 16:53
5 replies
#238
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Germany Constikdw
Cerq
2021-12-21 16:56
1 reply
Cerq was very Bad in the final year of EG, signing him is only an option if you are certain that he will recover his form
2021-12-21 17:08
Sonic was main awper before, no? They only would need an igl.
2021-12-21 19:59
2 replies
I honestly don’t know but if that’s true and he would be comfortable to return to it would be worth a try at least. Though sadly NA IGLs aren’t exactly common either
2021-12-21 20:08
He ain't awping.
2021-12-22 12:53
#44
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United States Festive_
JT is the IGL plus he’s played with floppy and TC a lot longer so he’s closer with them than MarkE
2021-12-21 15:36
tier 3 max
2021-12-21 15:33
6 replies
#48
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United States Festive_
Extra salt is already tier 2 rn. Junior for oSee is only a slight downgrade but grim for marke is an upgrade. Plus with col’s resources they could get pretty decent.
2021-12-21 15:37
5 replies
i would not even consider junior to be a downgrade, the guy has bounced back immediately and is smurfing just as hard as oSee, but he at least has had some experience in tier 1 now, while oSee never really got that.
2021-12-21 15:55
4 replies
+1 this, people seem to forget that junior is an incredible aggressive awper after his time in FURIA, where they made him play passive and he didn’t speak their language
2021-12-21 16:34
3 replies
#434
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United States Festive_
it’s true that Junior has more tier 1 experience but at this point oSee has had plenty of practice in EU. Plus imo he’s always been better than Junior. Like before Junior joined furia
2021-12-22 02:49
2 replies
I agree with this too, but junior seems to get this bad rap as a terrible awper, when he’s a very good awper who just didn’t get to showcase it
2021-12-22 17:17
1 reply
#473
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United States Festive_
agreed. he's definitely underrated because of his time on furia which was never close to an ideal team situation
2021-12-24 06:21
#20
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Russia ToughGuy
Solid top20 at their peak wont reach any big events playoffs
2021-12-21 15:33
5 replies
#273
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Canada Femtal
with COL revenue this team can actually bootcamp in EU instead of being stuck in NA imho they will be tier 1 the only player that's lacking a little bit is JT but since he's IGL its okay
2021-12-21 17:17
4 replies
JT is underrated igl, ES run very good t sides
2021-12-21 19:35
3 replies
#356
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Canada Femtal
I was speaking mechanically
2021-12-21 19:35
2 replies
of course, but there arent any other igl available anyways JT doesn't need to frag out if they have this amount of firepower, grim fang junior floppy were all star players on old teams
2021-12-21 19:37
1 reply
#359
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Canada Femtal
agreed
2021-12-21 19:38
lulz
2021-12-21 15:33
Pog
2021-12-21 15:33
#23
JK | 
Asia flipflop
Current form of cph made him think
2021-12-21 15:33
4 replies
#168
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Bulgaria VolatileX
They want to spend a lot less this time and still get big results. Not going to happen though.
2021-12-21 16:12
16-0 made him think
2021-12-21 16:43
2 replies
#293
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Germany who|cars
+1 16-0 vs Nemiga
2021-12-21 17:42
1 reply
Yeah I should've said 0-16 but the point stands
2021-12-21 21:17
F for Marke in that case , better roster than CPHF for sure
2021-12-21 15:34
safe option, team has potential, could be top 12
2021-12-21 15:34
2 replies
#169
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Bulgaria VolatileX
->Top 20. Maybe.
2021-12-21 16:13
1 reply
With better resources and more invites to tier 1 events like BLAST and others, this team could easily improve to be top 10-15 in the world
2021-12-21 16:34
Nice, i hope Extra Salt sign BNB
2021-12-21 15:34
3 replies
PA > BnB , especially after Junior leaves them.
2021-12-21 15:37
2 replies
BnB have a way better track record but yeah PA as a squad is prob at better level now (seeing as Junior is for sure out) You could argue for a mix of both teams to get a better team (I think Ben is trash for example) but at this point it remains to be seen what will happen. Depends if orgs return or NA remains a wasteland
2021-12-21 16:30
1 reply
i would say Shake is pretty trash too like Ben when it comes to fragging and just like BnB are gonna be without an awper, PA`s main awper is a 30 year old guy who no one really knows how long is gonna be there. Just implying that you cant really get a mix of both teams that would be better than the other. Both squads are good but i think its time PA deserves a long stay in EU , they can actually be quite good if they play against some competition there with consistency . But yea, its all about orgs and whether they are interested or not. IIRC , ES is actually owned by some friend of Sonic who picked up his team , who knows whether they will continue on to invest in here
2021-12-21 16:40
looks promising solid tier 3 team
2021-12-21 15:34
1 reply
nah looks 1.5 from Grim upgrade and Fang rising up
2021-12-23 04:21
This is sick! happy for junior and grim
2021-12-21 15:34
It couldn't be better. GJ Complexity
2021-12-21 15:34
bad team tiet 2 max jt noob
2021-12-21 15:34
wait what
2021-12-21 15:34
What are the people smoking? Cph are 10 times better than this. I can understand complexity going with NA roster but this doesn't look like it has potential to be a T1 team.
2021-12-21 15:34
17 replies
Complexity is a NA org. Why would they care about the third best team in Danemark ? CPH won't get many fans, look pretty flat since the major. They already have a org too, transfer fees and all other stuffs.
2021-12-21 15:38
3 replies
+1111
2021-12-21 15:39
Sure, I'm totally in on going to NA team, even if it's worse rn. I'm just saying that all the replies pointing like they are better team than cph are not right.
2021-12-21 16:14
1 reply
Sure, but a bit delusionnal about Na new comers, I think it is a maybe top20, maybe top15 team on high peek. Chp was good, but I understand why complexity turn to NA instead of buying this team. I can't be worse than EG wasted spot.
2021-12-21 16:47
#63
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CIS ShimonSS
Team that loses 0-16 to nemiga doesnt have a potential to be t1 as well, lol
2021-12-21 15:40
9 replies
KEKW +1 also if you ask me, grim junior and floppy are a scary trio. much more potential than the cph flames core
2021-12-21 15:43
6 replies
roej is a better player than every single one of them, not sure about the rest tho and tbh floppy, junior and grim never really got the chance to show their worth against good opposition, all of them got screwed over massively. Junior got stuck in a team with massive communication issues and never really got integrated into the furia system, the C9 project didn't get enough time to grow as a team and grim went from being the star player to being the guy who had to play all the shit roles in TL.
2021-12-21 15:59
5 replies
#137
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CIS ShimonSS
Roej is too old to be invested in, he wont achieve anything fancy, and es guys were looking promising even in Eu, yeah t2, but still, it feels that they have a potential
2021-12-21 16:02
3 replies
imo they need to be able to bootcamp in EU for a longer time and they will be able to challenge for Tier 1 and col will be able to give them that opportunity.
2021-12-21 16:04
2 replies
Sure roej is great player, but I doubt Chp will maintain their spot in top20/15. I doubt this NA team will go huge, but in matters of low invest, this NA team bring way more for this NA org. C9 tried to invest in EU and failed miserably. Maybe, COL realized that.
2021-12-21 16:50
1 reply
Good take
2021-12-21 20:03
Junior failed, that's for sure. For Grim, I would rather say mixed result. He had to change his roles, styles. He looks unconfortable, but I won't put in Kyojin/Lucky/Jackinho level.
2021-12-21 16:53
I feel they are almost equal, CPH is a bit better, but I think it is more because of #51.
2021-12-21 15:45
1 reply
#145
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CIS ShimonSS
Dunno, grim, junior, fang and floppy feel more dangerous in their top form than chp, but thats imho
2021-12-21 16:04
Also, maybe Jason found out that it's better to have young NA player's that will proudly play for a historic NA org than some danes who would leave for Astralis at the blink of an eye.
2021-12-21 15:55
2 replies
#147
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CIS ShimonSS
To suck dicks there, huh
2021-12-21 16:04
1 reply
Do you know any dane that would prefer Complexity over Astralis?
2021-12-24 05:54
-jt +marke -junior +osee
2021-12-21 15:34
2 replies
did you even read the article?
2021-12-21 15:38
1 reply
Typical montenegro what u expect from a guy from the same country as Loba
2021-12-21 16:48
Nice
2021-12-21 15:35
#37
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United Kingdom TC10
cool
2021-12-21 15:35
Floppy x Junior hypercarry. #1 NA team very fast if this squad happens (Not like its hard to get that anyways)
2021-12-21 15:37
There goes CPH flames
2021-12-21 15:35
#41
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Brazil jzeni
Gl grim and junior Triumph beasts
2021-12-21 15:36
Cool
2021-12-21 15:36
I actually prefer this over the CPH deal. Good to see NA coming back.
2021-12-21 15:36
#45
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Brazil morabrasil
good for liquid. grim is 0iq player.
2021-12-21 15:36
1 reply
flag and especially flair
2021-12-21 22:27
#46
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Denmark kns377
make grim star player like in triumph pls
2021-12-21 15:36
#47
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Portugal dracø
could work tbh
2021-12-21 15:37
well... bringing in a team that has never been close to t1 doesn't sound better than bringing the promising cph flames... i just don't get how an NA roster will bring complexity to a competitive level
2021-12-21 15:37
16 replies
This is better for CS overall. Na cs need investment and it will help to have a T2 NA scene.
2021-12-21 15:39
cph flame hype is kinda dead. they’ve been losing to teams worse than extra salt and have been stagnant
2021-12-21 15:42
2 replies
they just farming money throwing
2021-12-21 17:40
1 reply
just cant get how they went from a potential top 10 team to losing 0-16 to nemiga lmao. it really does feel like theyre fixing
2021-12-22 00:50
Promising CPH Flames that's been constantly struggling agaisnt tier 3 teams after the major. Jabbi is really not good, and HooXi is going to turn into a bottom-fragging paycheck stealer very soon, they're not worth the risk. Signing ES trio + junior, Grim is safer, probably cheaper and is an act of supporting the local scene, plus this roster actually looks good and competitive at tier 2 with potential of upseting in tier 1. A brilliant move by Complexity if they sign them imo.
2021-12-21 15:44
11 replies
u don't know whats happening behind the scenes, there is no such thing as "bad" when months ago u were beating t1 teams at the major, comments like these don't suprise me since hltv users are so momentaneous. Just like G2 they just might be better on LAN. i don't hate this roster idea, i just prefer watching a cph flames game than a ES one... these roster changes are not upgrades mind u
2021-12-21 16:13
7 replies
But sinners was beating g2 like 3 months ago. It doesnt mean that they are t1 team now. Sure, we are momentanous like team result. And org invest their money, there are not only looking in recent results.
2021-12-21 17:05
5 replies
we all know g2 online is a joke come on now, on EPL they got 0-5 i don't know man... i am not hyped for this NA Roster at all, i'm gonna be suprised if they make to top30 even
2021-12-21 23:23
4 replies
Es is already 22. You're a bit harsh. They will probably be a t2 na team, which the region is lacking. If na has 3 okay team and sa has 2, we almost have an ecosystem. I prefer that than chp who will probably lose one of their players soon (like nicodoz ). Cloud9 was too greedy. The old roster was less costly than the collosus. The hype come more from the better ecosystem, a intra region competition more than team by itself.
2021-12-22 00:06
3 replies
not harsh man, they been farming t2 for a long time now, everytime they faced t1 teams they just got destroyed, junior is not better than osee, but i am happy for grim i think he needs this moment
2021-12-22 00:06
2 replies
The best es map was train. They suffer a lot from the map change. Most of t2 team get smashed by t1 or at best got a fluke. For me, the chp was almost a fluke since they are now struggling against t3. Once teams got enough knowledge about them, they look like a regular team like the new col
2021-12-22 00:11
they are looking for potential not some one and done fluke players who lost badly to tier 3 teams, Fang is looking good for the future, grim is a great pickup, other players have good potential as well
2021-12-23 04:26
they only beat those t1 teams because no t1 team studied them thinking they'd pull an EG and bomb out the major. Once they were no longer the underdog, they started getting WASHED.
2021-12-21 22:28
And easier to replace players when you dont need to only look danish players just find someone who can speak proper english so they can look players from na/eu and even from cis.
2021-12-21 16:30
2 replies
Good point.
2021-12-21 17:05
#281
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Brazil Anarchybr
I was thinking the same. From the Org perspective is way more manageable to have a NA roster
2021-12-21 17:30
#52
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United Kingdom 2smokeyy
this looks like a good team i can't even lie to you
2021-12-21 15:38
This I like
2021-12-21 15:38
Make thissss
2021-12-21 15:38
Nuts team, let’s hope it happens.
2021-12-21 15:38
F MarKE
2021-12-21 15:38
Just replace coach T.j
2021-12-21 15:39
#60
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Finland AliSabid
Oh nice
2021-12-21 15:39
Poor CPH, this roster is so much more promising lmao
2021-12-21 15:40
All cph flames had to do was not choke in tier 3 and they would be making fat stacks right now
2021-12-21 15:41
2 replies
Im happy Complexity didntt make the mistake to sing fixers
2021-12-21 15:57
True that, they're probably kicking themselves rn
2021-12-21 17:34
Why keep JT? AZR is 100x better
2021-12-21 15:41
2 replies
Im sure a team that failed to qualify for NA RMR is gonna do really well i n EU
2021-12-21 15:43
1 reply
Hopefully grim and floppy can do their thing
2021-12-21 15:55
this would shit all over cph flames ngl. holy shit the firepower here LETS GOOOOO, so happy for grim and junior personally. and i think their time on liquid and furia will be valuable too
2021-12-21 15:41
1 reply
wait for the 🙂 to get on their feet again and no
2021-12-21 19:29
#69
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Japan Misteear
Pog
2021-12-21 15:42
Marke > Grim
2021-12-21 15:42
Things are looking good for NA in 2022. Sad for the Flames but they fumbled the bag in these post-major tournaments.
2021-12-21 15:43
1 reply
Fuck CPH flames fixers
2021-12-21 15:57
MarkE in for floppy and I'd give this a go
2021-12-21 15:43
3 replies
floppy is top 5 NA player without question
2021-12-21 15:44
you must be tripping
2021-12-21 15:45
you didn't watch floppy since he came back? Even in C9 he was their second best player.
2021-12-21 16:03
medicore lineup
2021-12-21 15:43
people forget that coL best results as an org in CS came when they had NA rosters. since 1.6 until that ShaZaM core
2021-12-21 15:43
4 replies
how was any of their NA rosters better than the EU squad with blamef and the boys? they peaked at #5, won a trophy while the shazam core didn't win anything and peaked at #11
2021-12-21 15:46
3 replies
Win online tournaments as a fluke don't prove nothing, the NA cores unleast qualified as legends in Major (which is played in LAN)
2021-12-21 15:52
2 replies
fan of taco
2021-12-22 02:53
1 reply
nt
2021-12-22 03:36
OMG this is so good <3
2021-12-21 15:43
MarkE is an excelent player in his role. It should be -floppy + Grim (both are star players) But who cares, just kick the Mexican guy...
2021-12-21 15:45
1 reply
It is kinda sad. He is good/great on T side, but ct side, he looks a bit loss though.
2021-12-21 15:49
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
2021-12-21 15:45
#86
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Brazil Lostty
I just want to see my man Grim happy
2021-12-21 15:45
juggernaut LOL Honestly switch out JT + coach if they don’t perform and I think the roster could be really good
2021-12-21 15:45
2 replies
Jt step up a bit recently. Maybe it is because of the m4a1s buff.
2021-12-21 15:51
JT is a good IGL tho… if this team doesn’t perform it would be due to one of the 4 other players not being in their best role, since all 4 of the players have a lot of star potential.
2021-12-21 16:14
actually just a huge W for NA if this happens
2021-12-21 15:46
Decent top 20 team
2021-12-21 15:48
#93
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Finland Tusku
yes
2021-12-21 15:48
tier 50
2021-12-21 15:51
They have a potential but I am not sure about grim. I am think Marke could be better
2021-12-21 15:51
3 replies
Grim was really good in tier 2 NA before he joined Liquid, he has a lot of potential in better roles.
2021-12-21 16:17
bruh grim was the highest rated player when he was in t2.... lmao
2021-12-21 22:30
if grim doesnt have to anchor sites and be elige and naf's bitchman, he is a monster when he was in eliges roles on triumph he shat on everyone outside tier 1, even eg and furia he was putting good numbers vs
2021-12-22 00:48
#103
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Italy MulaManca
Nice, great for NA cs and great for Grim and Junior
2021-12-21 15:51
Should do -JT +AZR -Grim + jks
2021-12-21 15:53
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. What is this garbage T5 roster?! ?!
2021-12-21 15:53
#109
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Australia poppyxox
i feel bad for marke but this would be sick if it happened
2021-12-21 15:54
Great move for Grim. Hope he will triumphs again :D
2021-12-21 15:54
Actually somehow a bit promising lineup. If NA keeps 5 slots for major, probably 1 of the possible qualifiers.
2021-12-21 15:55
Why would you kick Marke? He is probably their best player now that oSee is gone.
2021-12-21 15:55
why they left out marke tho? but this is probably a good move rather than signing cphf atm and probably they're cheaper as well.
2021-12-21 15:57
Solid lineup if junior can find his old self
2021-12-21 15:57
#123
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Russia mshkoda
Glad for Grim and co, but looks like Complexity goes tier 1,5-2
2021-12-21 15:57
#126
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Brazil drydden
Not gonna lie that's actually a good team
2021-12-21 15:58
I will be a coL fan of this team actually gets signed
2021-12-21 15:58
Great team but I’m not sure about grim for marke. Marke is one of the best anchors in NA and grim really isn’t an anchor type player
2021-12-21 15:58
1 reply
Yeah, this is true. He played anchor on Liquid but wasn’t really comfortable. They might switch around roles to give Grim a more star rifler role, which means FaNg likely gets moved to anchor
2021-12-21 16:38
EG.Marke?
2021-12-21 15:58
1 reply
This would actually be cool, they need an anchor player. But I bet they sign someone like RUSH or something
2021-12-21 16:39
Really great team, as a mexican im sad for marke but he underperformed in eu a lot, i hope he stays in cs maybe can play with cooper in a team that would be dope ;]
2021-12-21 15:58
RIP Complexity. They can't attract tier 1 teams. In 2022 they'll be the new MiBR (Invited to every T1 event, and always placing last).
2021-12-21 16:00
7 replies
You keep saying that, pretty sure this lineup could do some damage...
2021-12-21 16:01
6 replies
I mean it couldnt qualify for major in NA and will be losing its best player. Feels like they will linger around top 20 which is good, but not what CoL probably want
2021-12-21 16:05
ES is T2 team (being pretty generous). With the money Complexity has behind, they should aim towards having a T1 capable of being top 5, not to "Maybe do some damage".
2021-12-22 18:55
4 replies
Be real, there is not many great free agents rn, the least you can do is to support your own nation and get a roster that can upset and be relevant in the near future. I have no doubts that given the right conditions, this roster could be a top 5 or 10-ish.
2021-12-22 22:58
3 replies
I said complexity can't attract T1 players. Now you're admitting they can't attract T1 players because they're not enough free (Meanwhile G2, Faze or Vitality are actually attracting T1 players). You're telling me to be real when you're saying they could be top 5-10 team based on nothing else than your imagination, lmao. Based on results from ES, Junior performance at Furia, and Grim performance at Liquid, I would say you're the one that should try to be real here...
2021-12-23 00:12
2 replies
Once again, given the right conditions. I'm more than sure that this team will be in the top 30 (initially) and I can assure u that any of the teams on top 30 can challenge the top 10-5.
2021-12-23 08:41
1 reply
what is "right conditions"? 75% of T1 teams retiring for example? Them finding a bug that no other team can perform and isn't banned by Valve? Once again you're saying things based on nothing while saying others to "Keeping it real". I can also say "Under the right conditions Wilsa Krakow can be a top 5 team" and be as deluded... Facts says this roster is T2. Good to be the 3rd best team in NA, but nothing special for T1. And even less to be a Top 10 team as you're forcing yourself to claim. We've seen what they can do.
2021-12-23 13:31
This lineup is actually insane, hope it works out and they bring some proud to our boy, Mr. Lake ;D
2021-12-21 16:00
Very good decision in not buying CPH but if they actually do, RIP.
2021-12-21 16:01
Lul, cph just needed not to lose every 2nd game
2021-12-21 16:01
Would be a great move, especially since CPH seems content to keep the roster anyway. Then Extra Salt sign Party Astronauts, -djay +marke
2021-12-21 16:03
I really like this move. Grim does play really well with the right teammates beside him. He just didn’t mesh with liquid which is understandable. It happens. He was nuts on his previous teams. Him and junior will go good together. This is like a team of young talent now
2021-12-21 16:03
#143
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France pol44r
Top 30 at best
2021-12-21 16:04
After that whole "juggernaut" thing, I'm glad coL is going back to being NA.
2021-12-21 16:05
Not bad, but I doubt it can break Top15. Probably will remain around 15-20 at best, unless the players get better or they get better players.
2021-12-21 16:07
3 replies
Grim and junior are the main factors they need to go berserk mode Floppy fang jt are fine
2021-12-21 16:09
Idk, you have to consider that under Complexity a team like this will get invited to more events and get way more experience playing against better teams. I could see them getting into the top 15
2021-12-21 16:40
If everything goes right they can break into top 10 easy i think, floppy has been playing like crazy on ES, but i think it all depends on whetever junior can perform on his best level
2021-12-21 17:22
#153
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Russia Jet1k
I hope they give Grim the opportunity to be a star player. If you don't he'll just put up 0.9 rating against any decent team, in which case you should have just signed rush
2021-12-21 16:08
Nice move
2021-12-21 16:08
this means oSee and shox to Liquid Liquid : elige,naf,stewie2k.osee and shox Vitality : ZywoO,apex,misutaa,magisk,dupreeh Complexity : floppy,jt,fang,junior,grim FURIA : kscerato,yuurih,art,fallen,coldzera GG
2021-12-21 16:08
4 replies
#164
b1t | 
Slovakia zne_
Furia fallen and cold xdd
2021-12-21 16:12
#206
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Brazil victorhsl
it's saffee who'll be Furia's awper, it was reported in brazilian midia yesterday, just not announced yet. And honestly, although I love Fallen, I think saffee is the best pick for Furia rn.
2021-12-21 16:38
Saffee is going to Furia?
2021-12-21 16:59
1 reply
#287
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Brazil Anarchybr
Yeah
2021-12-21 17:34
potentially strong roster
2021-12-21 16:09
1 reply
#449
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France Guilsz_
yeah ready to farm t3 NA CS
2021-12-22 11:30
this is what coL should be doing
2021-12-21 16:10
Solid tier3.
2021-12-21 16:10
#161
b1t | 
Slovakia zne_
Okeeey let's go
2021-12-21 16:10
#162
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Great news, better for the scene than buying CPF
2021-12-21 16:10
1 reply
+1 a big org reentering NA helps the whole scene a lot
2021-12-21 16:42
pog?
2021-12-21 16:11
+1 bring back NA CS!!
2021-12-21 16:12
quote:"When contacted by HLTV.org, Complexity declined to comment on the report, but confirmed that they were looking at multiple options. Extra Salt declined to comment." Thats a perfect add for the next HLTV reports. Hope see that more offten.
2021-12-21 16:13
#167
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Other the_dark
I love ES's logo but I want this to happen!!
2021-12-21 16:12
for some reason i`m very happy for Grim, that he still has a chance :) i support the guy :)
2021-12-21 16:14
1 reply
grim be like :)
2021-12-21 19:27
Big move for NA, bringing in a big org and allowing some NA players to get a chance. Respect.
2021-12-21 16:14
#175
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Poland Oleczeq
i like fang, grim and junior combined, not sure about floppy though, he seems unmotivated
2021-12-21 16:16
2 replies
#221
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Brazil victorhsl
Wdym? floppy has been their star player since he joined. And even if this was true, what can be more motivational for a player than join a big org with players you're already used to play with?
2021-12-21 16:44
1 reply
#377
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Poland Oleczeq
he played valorant for some time, thats why i thought like that
2021-12-21 20:40
Not top 20
2021-12-21 16:19
ez for Grimreaper
2021-12-21 16:21
Its always nice to read articles on HLTV. Not only are they a good read but also are well written.
2021-12-21 16:22
1 reply
yea, also was really good to watch their highlights in the past, they had some unique style of editing and color correction now its so bad wtf
2021-12-21 16:36
#188
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Brazil setsz
cph's better IMO
2021-12-21 16:26
looks very solid!
2021-12-21 16:27
source: trust me bro
2021-12-21 16:27
Hell yeah, then I didn't buy COL joggers a year ago for nothing
2021-12-21 16:28
#193
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United States Rayduh
Sonic???
2021-12-21 16:29
1 reply
He’s still in South Africa right? I could see him coming back to NA to join a team like BnB or Party Astronauts, hell ES may even keep MarkE and Sonic and build a team around them. They could bring in Shake to IGL and a few young aimers, could be cool
2021-12-21 16:43
#195
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United States fyi
Im down make it happen coL
2021-12-21 16:30
F for Cph. They started to play really bad ... They did super good on Major but gl to this new roster
2021-12-21 16:30
Alright COL let's see this.
2021-12-21 16:31
please make it happen.
2021-12-21 16:33
good luck grimm!!!
2021-12-21 16:34
I hope extra salt will still be in the scene. Their current roster is looking solid and actually trying to win games in NA. I'm not sure about complexity's move here, signing a "second- choice players" roster. They can still be good, maybe I'm just overshadowed by the complexity roster when obo was still around
2021-12-21 16:34
Pog
2021-12-21 16:35
i mean they goot against tier 4 NA teams but always get rekt by tier 1 eu :/ i guess CoL dont aim for a top 10 team
2021-12-21 16:41
Marke 😓
2021-12-21 16:41
Grim gets a team YAY!!!
2021-12-21 16:42
#215
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Singapore 2200DPI
See? HLTV making fake News again...
2021-12-21 16:42
not bad
2021-12-21 16:43
Marke back to match fixing in esea premier and stream sniping fpl
2021-12-21 16:45
deserved! marke>grim/junior tho
2021-12-21 16:48
actually good NA squad LFG
2021-12-21 16:50
Cool. Far from a "juggernaut" but still.. Cool.
2021-12-21 16:50
Juggernaut is officially dead? Wouldnt be better if they kept jks as the lurker, got Mir as the star player and made the roster around these two players? You can also get SDY for anchoring
2021-12-21 16:56
Not a bad pickup
2021-12-21 16:56
much better signing than flames rip marke tho, underrated player imo
2021-12-21 17:01
3 replies
I'm curious, in what way is this a much better signing?
2021-12-21 18:25
2 replies
because coL ultimately wanted to bring the team over to NA anyway, this way you dont have to deal with potential obo situation with homesick players and pay a buyout to a moneyball org who want the most they can get for their currently overvalued team
2021-12-21 19:06
1 reply
I thought they wanted a team able to be a titlecontender. No team based in NA will come close to a major again with the current scene.
2021-12-22 03:13
Juggernaut
2021-12-21 17:02
not bad
2021-12-21 17:02
is markE the mexican daps or something why is he getting cut everytime he's just solid sure he's not that good and grim could be better but sad for him
2021-12-21 17:03
1 reply
#320
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Brazil hugoooo
xenophobia
2021-12-21 18:27
no oSee no party
2021-12-21 17:04
shit lineup and wont be tier 1
2021-12-21 17:04
2 replies
+1
2021-12-21 17:47
not every team has to be a t1 contender immediately. please respect this lineup, they are very decent
2021-12-21 22:21
#251
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France jatterss
NA csgo maybe making a slow comeback
2021-12-21 17:05
nice tier3
2021-12-21 17:05
actually looks like a pretty solid team with potential, especially with the resources of complexity. would be really interesting to see how Grim would do in a team like this where he has the chance to be a star and get to play with confidence and in a role he is comfortable in.
2021-12-21 17:05
1 reply
#280
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United States Rambeard
The return of Triumph Grim 😳
2021-12-21 17:30
#256
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Europe cz1ro
sad about sonic
2021-12-21 17:06
top 30 max
2021-12-21 17:07
Actually looks like a great development team for NA, probably won’t really compete in tier 1, but they could easily be the 3rd best NA team pretty quickly. Hopefully Extra Salt picks up a new team to keep developing T2 NA talent. FaNg and Grim are excellent pickups rn imo.
2021-12-21 17:09
1 reply
#302
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Canada Femtal
imo this roster has potential to be better than liquid with the right resources and bootcamping in EU for a while
2021-12-21 17:49
Why? Bad purchase in my opinion.
2021-12-21 17:09
interesting
2021-12-21 17:10
#268
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Poland Frenzu
so if it happens its like most probably +osee to liquid
2021-12-21 17:10
1 reply
#300
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Canada Femtal
its alreay comfirmed that oSee is going to liquid it has been for weeks
2021-12-21 17:48
Not bad.
2021-12-21 17:13
#271
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United States joke_cs
NA is going to roll 2022, EG, Liquid, Complexity all top 5 so ez
2021-12-21 17:14
1 reply
#299
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Canada Femtal
ez
2021-12-21 17:48
floopy not C9?
2021-12-21 17:25
3 replies
Is c9 comming back?
2021-12-21 22:15
2 replies
i think, automatic and stewie poosted c9 photos
2021-12-21 22:42
1 reply
Yeah hinting they are back together, thats how i looked at it
2021-12-21 22:44
#279
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United States Rambeard
This is the coL team that I actually want. It sucks that oSee won’t be part of it, but Junior and Grim can make up for that. I hope it happens. compLexity with an American Core is what I like to see.
2021-12-21 17:28
Solid tier 2 roster
2021-12-21 17:30
Good luck Junior
2021-12-21 17:31
Sad that grim was never allowed to play a star role on a tier 1 team, but this roster has potential
2021-12-21 17:32
#288
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Brazil Anarchybr
F MarkE
2021-12-21 17:34
Thats actually what clown9 should've done.
2021-12-21 17:35
#290
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Brazil Far1aa
New Complexity >>> New EG
2021-12-21 17:40
#291
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Brazil Myballs
thats fantastic news
2021-12-21 17:40
#294
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Russia Slavaa
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO. GREAT NEWS
2021-12-21 17:45
destined to fail
2021-12-21 17:46
Thought they were supposed to sign CPH Flames?
2021-12-21 17:46
so much better than copen, atleast this team can compete in tier 1 in the future unlike copen that get smashed by tier 3 teams
2021-12-21 17:47
Triumph dynamic duo Grim and Junior pog
2021-12-21 17:49
#304
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Germany Kit_su
glade they didn't choose the €openhagen F£am$ roster like mad lions, who fell for the scam and got a tier 4 team, that performed like 3 times good..
2021-12-21 17:54
3 replies
Mad lions got a nice team after astralis steal bubzki them they got innocent for no reason them mouz got acor and them team disban now mad lions have a tier 37373+ team Lol
2021-12-21 18:09
2 replies
#314
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Germany Kit_su
ye I wonder if acoR would be any good tho in the mad lions team, i think he had some highlights but he is massively overrated in my eyes and performed terrible in mouz for being the main awp and bubzki was instantly benched and idk
2021-12-21 18:11
1 reply
Acor was totally different at mad lions That team i dont. Know they worked together
2021-12-21 20:15
pog NA CS comeback 2022
2021-12-21 17:54
Not good enough. They need jks and stewie or oBo
2021-12-21 17:59
if they work together well could reach t2 no chance against eu scene
2021-12-21 18:01
Good for na Can wait to see cph 2-0 then
2021-12-21 18:10
That would actually be a pretty sick roster.
2021-12-21 18:15
Jason seems to desperate and I feel very sad for him
2021-12-21 18:24
#317
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Brazil hugoooo
Without oSee (and with Grim and Junior coming) this team firepower looks mild
2021-12-21 18:24
Sad for marke but I am very hype
2021-12-21 18:25
nice t5
2021-12-21 18:31
#323
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
rip marke GOD GRIM
2021-12-21 18:35
Not terrible, but problem is firepower. If floppy, Fang and junior fire on all cylinders, they have chance to beat T2 EU teams. If not, they are str8 up fucked barely T3. Role wise it can work quite well tho. I don't believe in Fang, he's supposed to be star (or N.3) guy in this roster and i am not sure about that. Or grim can try to do that, but he should probably stick to what he's used to do. how about: jsk, AZR, jkaem, junior, floppy?
2021-12-21 18:47
1 reply
-Floppy +BnTeT
2021-12-21 19:52
#330
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Europe Zwenix
Nice nice nice gl
2021-12-21 18:47
#332
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Hungary F1z3s
Don't get me wrong, but i was hoping for far better team. They couldve just sign DBL PONEY as well, if they want a strong tier 2 team lul.
2021-12-21 18:55
4 replies
#410
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United States Rambeard
I think the idea behind this is to get back to coL's roots in NA CS. They have an opportunity here, no matter what you or anything else thinks, to make a significant impact on the scene. NA has new talent on the way and coL is in a nice spot to invest in that for the future.
2021-12-21 22:49
2 replies
#453
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Hungary F1z3s
I get this, and its nice and everything but be realistic, now the top 10 is stacked af, so hard to break in. I dont see these guys make it in a year, but lets hope im wrong. Im gonna support them anyways.
2021-12-22 13:59
1 reply
#454
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United States Rambeard
+1 let’s hope these guys have a chip on their shoulder and prove any doubters wrong. Let’s go coL!
2021-12-22 14:02
The same poney that extra salt beat?
2021-12-22 13:11
#333
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Serbia biTe19
Imagine not taking Cph flames for some Na pug team
2021-12-21 18:56
1 reply
#455
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United States Rambeard
Seeing CPH’s recent regression, this “pug” team would probably beat them.
2021-12-22 14:03
#334
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Hungary szia
damn dude, extra salts creation and rise was meteoric and outta nowhere, and now theyre gonna be gutted. really sad to see tbh :(
2021-12-21 18:57
POGGGG
2021-12-21 18:58
That sounds kinda cool actually
2021-12-21 19:00
-JT +stanislaw
2021-12-21 19:11
Finally Complexity got a clue instead of signing paycheck stealers and flukesters.
2021-12-21 19:16
I would cheer for this team. We need more human teams. The more I see changes happening in teams these days, the more I think a team has to understand defeats and not let it undermine confidence and the process of building a winning team. It's okay if a team is top 10, top 20...we like the sport.
2021-12-21 19:19
I love complexity , gl & let gooooo
2021-12-21 19:20
nice squad!
2021-12-21 19:24
Unlucky for cphf:(
2021-12-21 19:25
6 replies
Fluke team anyway tbh
2021-12-21 19:36
5 replies
The twit longer wasnt bad
2021-12-21 19:39
4 replies
What twit longer
2021-12-21 19:48
3 replies
tweetlonnger?
2021-12-21 19:48
2 replies
I’m asking you what’s it about
2021-12-21 20:50
1 reply
about recent performances, its from their CEO
2021-12-21 22:15
Jason Lake is facing reality: as a NA org, having their installations there, is not a bad move to try to dominate NA and make a stable/consistent team. I'm all in for this move, sad for MarKE tho.
2021-12-21 19:29
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#411
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United States Rambeard
It's nice to see someone else gets it.
2021-12-21 22:51
This is good though still because Marke can stay with Extra Salt and they can sign good young players in NA, bring back sonic and still have a good team. Or they can sign the ex 100t/Extremum roster.
2021-12-21 19:38
nice, complexty deserves to have a good team, they have a good management from what I heard
2021-12-21 19:38
Why, please go cis ex spirit would be so much better imo
2021-12-21 19:44
2 replies
I think Jason Lake wants to keep NA CS alive, otherwise he would have gotten CPH Flames.
2021-12-21 21:53
1 reply
#412
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United States Rambeard
+1
2021-12-21 22:51
I love to hear an NA org considering signing an NA team. I think the options are better than they were 2-3 years ago No, it might not be a T1 playoff contender team at first. And that's fine
2021-12-21 19:44
-JT and +AZR or +stanislaw
2021-12-21 20:06
5 replies
stanislaw in 2022. lmao.
2021-12-21 21:35
4 replies
something wrong?
2021-12-21 21:36
3 replies
#465
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Canada firtlast
yeah, stanislaw.
2021-12-23 04:31
2 replies
he is much better than JT
2021-12-23 15:48
1 reply
#471
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Canada firtlast
i’ll give you slightly better. very poor use of the word ‘much’ in this context
2021-12-23 20:39
#378
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Israel Xpicyy
Best roster NA
2021-12-21 20:41
my boy marke :(
2021-12-21 20:44
#382
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Japan Legoshi
MARKE ROBBED HES 20x BETTER
2021-12-21 20:51
what a shit roster lmao cph flames would´ve been better
2021-12-21 21:03
Marke better than Grim
2021-12-21 21:18
Not great...
2021-12-21 21:26
Honestly, I understand the JT over Marke because of IGLing but arent there better IGLs ? like I just feel they are going to get rid of him in a matter of time so why waste time. idk how to feel about this but im happy they are giving NA a chance over choosing CPHFlames.
2021-12-21 21:41
4 replies
JT is a really strong IGL. People don’t give him enough credit but he brings a ton of structure and was a big reason for this teams success when they were ATK, C9 and obviously ES. Honestly he’s picked it up a bit in the fragging department as well (not a good dragged still but improvement is something).
2021-12-21 21:49
1 reply
yeah, honestly you are probably right, if hes been on the "top" of NA for so many years has to be for a reason. Only thing im scared is that the times if seen them play i got the sense he was lost in some way and obviously lacked a lot of aiming skills. Hopefully he is the key they need cuz the roster has some potential.
2021-12-21 22:06
fang gang too btw
2021-12-21 21:50
#420
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United States stotte
"Better IGLs than JT" Like who? In NA? None at all. European IGLs? Why would you kick a good IGL like JT for an EU IGL who will inevitably use the NA team as a temporary stepping stone to eventually return home and go to a better team? JT is perfect for the team. This squad would be nothing without him
2021-12-22 00:01
I love to see this, I hope JT makes Grim more of a star player and let’s him shine unlike Liquid did. I’m glad him and Junior have one more shot and it’s cool to see Jason Lake sticking with NA CS.
2021-12-21 21:51
PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN JASON LAKE I BEG YOU
2021-12-21 22:14
Hope that Junior does well and JT can lead this team. As we know a team needs a solid awper to succeed; I am critical of Junior's ability. Everyone is same age, and some of the players have T1 experience. If the synergy is good, maybe they can start their journey to t1.
2021-12-21 23:06
Grim gonna start dropping 60 again on this team, hopefully JT and Junior can keep up internationally, NA cs is slowly coming back :)
2021-12-21 23:23
2 replies
#419
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United States stotte
JT has done very well internationally. Im worried about Grim
2021-12-22 00:00
1 reply
Grim is a natural star player, but he couldn't fill that role on Liquid, because you have NAF and Elige filling that space. I don't think his tenure on Liquid is a true test of his potential, but imo he did end up becoming a pretty solid anchor near the end. Now that Grim would be the best player on the new coL, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a return to form to when he was on Triumph. Remember Ethan on CLG vs NRG/EG?
2021-12-22 00:05
#416
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Albania aplasa
finally grim can found his place
2021-12-21 23:39
MarKE :(((((
2021-12-22 01:48
#429
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Indonesia draizze
Do Extra Salt keep their slot in next season ESL Pro League if they lost 4 of their active roster?
2021-12-22 02:29
not a single player with experience aside from 1 player from the other side of the planet. this will be a shitshow of chemistry and awful unconfident csgo vs any top team. NA cs is broken due to nepotism coming before skill.
2021-12-22 04:13
1 reply
Who is from the other side? Nvm JT
2021-12-22 07:34
Interesting
2021-12-22 04:33
Whats even the point without osee. Better get cph then
2021-12-22 05:39
#444
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North America BoDaddy
What happened to the Copenhagen Flames addition?
2021-12-22 07:52
#445
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North America BoDaddy
Tier 3 incoming
2021-12-22 07:53
pog
2021-12-22 11:13
Grim back to tier 3 😥 gg
2021-12-22 17:35
#459
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United States Will767
Wipe the keyboard of Extra SAlt from the popeyes chicken
2021-12-22 18:16
Great pick ups for complexity
2021-12-23 13:32
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