What is an era, and do NAVI have one?

Discussion rages over whether or not we are living in the Natus Vincere era, but how do they compare to other great era-defining teams?

What is an era?

It's not an easy question to answer, partly because everyone has a slightly different definition. Even when looking the word up in a dictionary, you will be presented with multiple definitions; a long and distinct period of history, a system of chronology, a date or event marking a distinct period of time. The question of a definition is important, because in order to decide whether we are indeed living in the era of Natus Vincere, we need to first decide what criteria the CIS giants need to have fulfilled to be considered masters of their very own era in Counter-Strike history.

Are this current NAVI side masters of their own era?

Instead of wasting our time with dictionaries and pedantry, let's use a more concrete approach. When you mention the word 'era' in a conversation about CS:GO, the same teams inevitably crop up time and time again, with few deviations. Whilst it seems we can't all quite agree on what exactly defines an era, we do often agree on a handful of teams that definitely had one. Without even mentioning any names, I have probably invoked images of certain teams and players in your head right now. Those teams likely include 2012-14 NIP, 2014-16 fnatic, 2016-17 Luminosity/SK, and 2018-19 Astralis.

By using these four teams and comparing their dynasties, we can start to draw up a list of criteria that each of these teams fulfilled, and apply those same criteria to the current Natus Vincere side.

The first and most obvious benchmark is a simple one: being the number one team. Later teams are easier to do this for; the Brazilians and Astralis both spent months upon months at the top of the HLTV rankings, making it a simple task to convince ourselves that they were, for a time, the number one teams in the world.

Prior to HLTV rankings it was a little bit more subjective, but it is hard to argue with the tournament success of both NIP and fnatic in the time frames mentioned. For the Ninjas, between DreamHack Valencia in September of 2012 and and StarSeries VII in October of 2013, finishing anything but first in an event was an incredibly rare exception, and they were still winning a large chunk of the tournaments they attended until mid-2014. Fellow Swedes fnatic were the team to overthrow NIP towards the end of 2014, and they were a largely indominable force through to IEM Katowice 2016, the tournament that capped their staggering run of six LAN wins on the bounce, all with stacked fields.

fnatic's six-LAN streak is still one of the best in CS:GO history

Natus Vincere comfortably tick the first box. In 2021 they picked up eight tournament wins, a further two top-two finishes, and two top-threes at the two BLAST group stages, the best placing on offer. At only three tournaments across the entire year did they fail to place well, two of these with a severely slumping Egor "⁠flamie⁠" Vasilyev in the line up and one with a fresh-faced Valeriy "⁠b1t⁠" Vakhovskiy. It goes without saying that they have held a firm grip on the #1 spot in the HLTV rankings for the majority of the year. They are, by some margin, the best team of 2021, and look set to continue their supremacy into 2022.

A question to ask at this point, and it is an important one, is this: how do we account for slumps? All four of the teams mentioned, at some point, suffered from a slump in form, a pause in their period of domination that usually was remedied with a player change. When discussing an era, it seems fair to allow for a temporary dip in form; fnatic needed to replace a waning Markus "⁠pronax⁠" Wallsten, SK needed to remove an unmotivated Lincoln "⁠fnx⁠" Lau, and Astralis needed to remember that you couldn't be the #1 team in the world only attending BLAST events. What is important is that these teams were at the top for the vast majority of the period. We have not seen Natus Vincere suffer from such a slump just yet, but there is very much a chance that the first sign of the CIS powerhouse falling off may yet be followed by a resurgence, if history is anything to go by.

The second touchstone to mention, and this closely ties in with the previous, is Major wins. All four of these teams won at least one Major to put the official rubber stamp on their period of dominance.

NIP did it at ESL One Cologne 2014, right at the end of their era, having failed to secure either of the previous two Majors that they were heavily favoured at. fnatic picked up two, Katowice 2015 and Cologne 2015, and maybe would have secured the first of their era at DreamHack Winter 2014, were it not for the fallout of the now infamous 'boostmeister' incident. The Brazilians stamped their names on the Columbus and Cologne 2016 trophies, and it is probably fair to say they could have grabbed another considering the length of time during 2017 and early 2018 they were the #1 ranked team. Astralis' streak of three back-to-back Majors, an unprecedented achievement, was only just ended by Natus Vincere. We might not remember these teams in quite the same light had they not secured themselves the biggest prize in the CS:GO landscape.

Astralis' era was defined by three back-to-back Major wins

This one is nice and simple, and it's another fat green tick. At the PGL Major Stockholm, Natus Vincere completed the most dominant run ever seen at a Major in CS:GO, romping through the tournament in majestic fashion without dropping a single map. They weren't ever run particularly close either, the exception being an overtime in the final map of the grand-final. Natus Vincere have emphatically fulfilled the criterion of a Major win, and they are currently firm favourites to take the next Major as well, with no obvious challenger yet to rise.

The third criterion is the one that separates the good teams from the great teams, arguably being the most important of the lot when it comes to defining an era, and that is longevity.

All of the aforementioned teams were not just a blinding flash in the pan, a streak of brilliance that burned bright and fast; Liquid's Intel Grand Slam winning side, various French lineups, the Polish Virtus.pro squad and iterations of FaZe can all lay claim to short, dazzling peaks in form that could see them go toe-to-toe with some of the era-teams. The eras of the teams mentioned are defined by at least a year of dominance, and in all four cases two years spent as, for the vast majority of it, the best team in the world.

In this area, the CIS superstars have some work yet to do. Whilst they can claim this year as their own, Gambit did give them a run for their money in the first half of 2021, and traded series with them consistently until after the player break. Their period of true dominance has only lasted six months or so, and we will need to see them maintain this form for a good chunk of 2022 before they can approach the longevity of some of the other era-defining teams. They have, however, laid a good foundation, the fact that they sport a 91.7% win rate in the last three months being a testament to that, and the smart money is on them continuing their reign into 2022. In other words, stay tuned.

The Brazilians mastered the concept of map control

The three factors already mentioned seem, at least to me, to be the most important in defining an era. You must be the best team, you must win a Major to make it official, and it must last for a year at minimum, going further earning you more credit. There are, however, other aspects of the era-defining teams that must be considered. The aspects I seek to mention are harder to quantify, or are surplus to requirements for an era, but arguably are more impactful in elevating a team in the minds of the fans than any strict, stats-defined benchmarks.

One such murky quality is best described as an 'aura.' All of the aforementioned teams had a distinct advantage before they even stepped onto the server, because of the aura of invincibility that they projected. The larger-than-life appearance of these teams caused many opponents to cower before anyone had even connected to the server, these squads could use their legendary stature to bully teams mentally without firing a shot in anger. Even beyond their prime years, the era-teams could invoke a little bit of that ill-defined mojo to produce a hot streak (NIP magic, anyone?), and rediscover some of their best form when it mattered the most.

This is something the current Natus Vincere team has in droves. They have an unparalleled superstar leading the way in the form of Aleksandr "⁠s1mple⁠" Kostyliev, they have a star trio that simply cannot be matched for firepower, and the other two role players in Ilya "⁠Perfecto⁠" Zalutskiy and Kirill "⁠Boombl4⁠" Mikhailov have an uncanny knack for clutching and playmaking respectively. No one wants to play them, they blow most teams out of the server with apparent ease, and are most definitely sporting an aura of invincibility that seems impossible to dent, at least right now. Natus Vincere are in the heads of every team they play (maybe bar Liquid?) before they even connect to the server, and that doesn't seem like changing any time soon.

NIP defined the very early days of the CS:GO meta

Another, slightly more corporeal one would be the fact that these teams were placed on a pedestal as having figured out the game in a way no one before them had, rather than simply mastering what was already in front of them. NIP pioneered the CS:GO meta, defining the way now universal systemic concepts such as entry fragging and lurking should be done, fnatic showed the world the pinnacle of teamplay, midrounding, and aggressive CT-sided action, the Brazilian core mastered the concept of map control, and Astralis elevated the use of grenades to a never-before-seen height. All of the teams mentioned of course mastered the elements of the game evolved by those before them, and then injected their own innovations to propel themselves far ahead of their peers. Usually, the ends of their eras were also accompanied by the teams around them catching on to these innovations.

This may be the one aspect where Natus Vincere obviously fall short; they haven't really pushed the CS:GO meta forwards in any particular way, they simply play the game far better than anyone else at this moment. There is an argument to be made that they have taken an old formula, five strong fraggers, and made it work with a consistency that nobody else has ever managed, but that is probably somewhat generous. Whilst Perfecto and Boombl4 can hang at the elite level and frag well in their respective roles, it would be a push to suggest that they are capable of being star players in their own right. On the other hand, it seems to be a common opinion that this Natus Vincere team are the most mechanically skilled to ever grace the game, so maybe they have pioneered the meta in that way, by fitting skilled players into roles they wouldn't otherwise have flourished in?

The final ace that all era teams had up their sleeves was at least one transcendental star player. Not one of you will hesitate to name them; Christopher "⁠GeT_RiGhT⁠" Alesund, Olof "⁠olofmeister⁠" Kajbjer, Marcelo "⁠coldzera⁠" David, Nicolai "⁠device⁠" Reedtz, and of course s1mple. Every era team has to have a player that is the best in the world on their day, a player that provides levels of firepower and skill that simply cannot be matched by their peers. GeT_RiGhT was the lurker that you could never find, no matter how hard you tried. olofmeister was a player who combined cerebral play with aim in a way not before seen. coldzera was a fragging machine, outputting numbers map after map after map. device was the paragon of consistency, an AWPer that put such thought into his game that there was no way he could not succeed. Last, but certainly not least, we have s1mple, maybe the most gifted player to ever grace the game, who does things that quite frankly do not seem possible and does them with a flair that makes him immensely entertaining to watch.

So do Natus Vincere have an era? It is probably a tad too early to say so. Are all the signs pointing to the fact that we're heading towards Natus Vincere's era, and everyone else is just along for the ride? Absolutely.

Brazil Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Marcelo 'coldzera' David
Age:
27
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1358
KPR:
0.77
DPR:
0.61
Russia Kirill 'Boombl4' Mikhailov
Kirill 'Boombl4' Mikhailov
Age:
23
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
1038
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.68
Sweden Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
1745
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.64
Denmark Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Nicolai 'device' Reedtz
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.16
Maps played:
1793
KPR:
0.78
DPR:
0.62
Sweden Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Markus 'pronax' Wallsten
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.89
Maps played:
1199
KPR:
0.60
DPR:
0.67
Russia Egor 'flamie' Vasilyev
Egor 'flamie' Vasilyev
Age:
25
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.03
Maps played:
1535
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.66
Ukraine Valeriy 'b1t' Vakhovskiy
Valeriy 'b1t' Vakhovskiy
Age:
19
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
379
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.63
Brazil Lincoln 'fnx' Lau
Lincoln 'fnx' Lau
Age:
32
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
605
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.66
Russia Ilya 'Perfecto' Zalutskiy
Ilya 'Perfecto' Zalutskiy
Age:
22
Rating 1.0:
0.98
Maps played:
642
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.60
Sweden Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Olof 'olofmeister' Kajbjer
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
1560
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.65
Ukraine Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Aleksandr 's1mple' Kostyliev
Age:
24
Rating 1.0:
1.25
Maps played:
1491
KPR:
0.86
DPR:
0.64
#1
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Serbia XD___
astralis
2021-12-26 21:45
24 replies
era hltv confirmed
2021-12-26 22:06
1 reply
#309
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Czech Republic Hap0vecXD
+1
2021-12-27 03:39
BEFORE reading the article. Was there also similar newspost about astralis dear @Admins ?? Curious to hear 🤔🤔
2021-12-26 22:12
7 replies
#131
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Finland giliuss
I feel like it's because astralis ''popuralized'' having an era. Before in CSGO it was about NIPs unbeaten run which was never going to get broken. Everyone was fairly competitive and nobody was having clear eras, but then astralis came in and basically became way too op. That's why afterwards everyone started talking about the ''liquid era'' and now ''NAVI era''
2021-12-26 23:20
6 replies
#245
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Netherlands Zimbamwe
I agree with you, fuck "era" its just for astralis hippies. Who cares about era teams just want to win fuck era
2021-12-27 01:18
3 replies
Navi fans malding 24/7 even when navi is winning all the tournaments
2021-12-27 07:59
1 reply
The team with the largest fan base in the world. Nasty things about Navi will not go unnoticed.
2021-12-27 09:07
Winning but not having an "era" is winning a little bit. Having an era is winning a lot.
2021-12-27 15:20
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Australia g00sey
astralis might have popularized the term era but i remember people asking the same questions about SK if they were having an era or not in 2016/17. fnatic and SK were super dominant teams too dude, astralis still had the best run so far obviously.
2021-12-27 15:33
#533
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Ukraine Bidus
BS if you ask me. NIP, fanatic, SK had eras before Astralis had. Hltv is sooooo late, its unprofessional.
2021-12-29 01:13
#87
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Romania GreenStain
No era for navi
2021-12-26 22:39
6 replies
#314
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Canada loldougie
+1 no era confirmed
2021-12-27 04:16
5 replies
I don't understand why there is such a thing as the era of Luminosity. Navi were the favorites in the Major final with Luminosity, but the Brazilians won. And even after the Major, Luminosity played uncertainly, and in SK they completely died. And, in general, they were not as terrifying as: Fnatik, NIP, Astralis and Navi. And you are still sitting, agreeing. We delete the era of Luminosity from history, their performances are not worthy of the era.
2021-12-27 09:17
4 replies
#412
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Canada loldougie
0/8
2021-12-27 09:36
#425
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Brazil Jordan21
“In SK they completely died” If the year is 2018, I agree with you
2021-12-27 11:30
I would say Liquid had a short era because they performed really well and they got the Grand Slam. Meanwhile, for SK/Luminosity, yes they won a couple of tournaments but they were also beaten very terribly numerous times so I personally think they didn't have an actual era but more of a good run?
2021-12-28 09:10
1 reply
+1. If there was an era of Luminosity, then why was there no era of Liquid? Liquid, though not for long, kept the global cs go-community at bay.
2021-12-28 09:38
if nip 6 lan streak is ocnsidered an era whart about liquid's 6 lan streak and intell grandslam
2021-12-27 00:56
4 replies
#318
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New Zealand SWARN151
The 6-LAN streak was not considered an era in itself lol. Read the article first. There are 6 criteria mentioned - 3 are tangible and quantifiable. The other 3 are non-quantifiable.
2021-12-27 04:36
I cannot believe you are even thinking about the comparison between NIP and Liquid. Pls read the whole article and try not be biased. Plus, NiP managed to win 87 maps in a row with no losses, It is the longest win streak so far.
2021-12-27 09:57
1 reply
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Other ro2a
Tbf liquid period of time is more amazing than NiP In which the competition is still very low at that time Liquid do it in time that every team is way better than before, especially after year of study on Astralis domimant era
2022-01-07 17:01
no major. and liquids dominance lasted only for months just read the article ;)
2021-12-28 15:43
ur rigth the astralis era is over when navi 16-0s astralis in a major. like astralis did to mibr
2021-12-27 03:55
Astralis have an era Navi don't /closed
2021-12-27 18:13
no
2021-12-26 21:45
63 replies
Mickey Mouse Era
2021-12-26 21:55
59 replies
#80
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Italy steven513
+1 all other teams are in shambles, lowest level of competition Astralis true era))
2021-12-26 22:34
56 replies
G2, Vitality, Gambit - lowest level of competition Avangar and Ence - true era KEKW
2021-12-26 22:46
43 replies
+1
2021-12-26 23:05
G2 with no proper awper, Vitality with only 1 player in the top 20, and Gambit who were a tier 2 academy team a year before. Kekw
2021-12-27 01:21
40 replies
#267
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Argentina naxxlm
+1
2021-12-27 01:52
ENCE only 1 player in the top 20 and Avangar 0 players in top 20 LMAO. ENCE didnt exist before major Avangar didnt quite either before major. LMAO KEKW LOLOLOÖÖOOLLO XDXDXDXDXD D D D
2021-12-27 03:02
7 replies
Yea cause Astralis only won 1 major🤦‍♂️ i'll just pretend that Navi and VP dont exist. Logic kekw
2021-12-27 04:14
6 replies
Oh so now were talking about how many majors they have won? Well there has only been 1 major so navi hasn't even had the opportunity to win more
2021-12-27 12:03
5 replies
Remind me of how long Navi has been in csgo
2021-12-27 12:47
4 replies
and why does that matter? Navi's current roster has been since 2021
2021-12-27 13:27
3 replies
"Well there has only been 1 major so navi hasn't even had the opportunity to win more" You are implying as if Navi didnt had plenty of chances to win the major as an org Also you bring up Avangar & Ence but left out Navi and Vp hmm wonder why is that huh please address that
2021-12-27 13:41
2 replies
You know what i meant by Navi not having had chances to win more than 1 major. And also Navi and Vp then weren't more competitive than G2 at PGL Major for sure. Navi is just better than anyone else atm no matter if "G2 with no proper awper", "Vitality with only 1 player in the top 20" and "Gambit who were a tier 2 academy team a year before". Next year you'll have no excuses left when Navi still dominating. You'll see that
2021-12-27 13:55
1 reply
+1
2021-12-28 09:57
making so many fucking bad excuses its unbelievable. jesus
2021-12-27 03:03
1 reply
Facts dont care about your feelings lil boy
2021-12-27 04:11
Flag checks out KEKW, The current are not so weak as compared to Ence and avangar
2021-12-27 04:49
1 reply
Flag checks out? Please explain why
2021-12-27 04:54
#326
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New Zealand SWARN151
You know that is is unfair? Let's see Astralis' domination then: 1) A team of no-namers and onliners who weren't seen before - Avangar 2) A team of rookies and no-namers who were never seen before - Ence 3) A team without a proper coach, 2 deadweight 30 yo players and incredibly bad teamplay that's criticized by analysts in literally every show - Navi 4) A team that's practically disbanding and is a shadow of its past - huge fanbase but hardly any good teamplay left - MIBR 5) A team with huge loads of internal issues - IGL about to get kicked, AWPer about to get kicked, rosters reshuffle and unstable, the star players all changing their roles cuz team is in shambles - Faze Clan 6) A team that was really good before the player break but then something happened and they were never the same again - they had no dedicated AWPer, internal issues broke the team from within, and this team lost all their possesse even before being defeated by Astralis - Liquid 7) A team that's only a shell of its past - all players are inconsistent except one, and they make roster changes to bring in new IGL, new star player, new coach and thus new teamplay - Fnatic 8) A team that didn't win LANs since 2017, where the legends lost motivation and soon stepped down, no longer being able to keep up with the competition, new players, new coach come in - NiP 9) Another struggling that didn't win anything since 2017, where the roster imploded due to internal troubles and they went international to fix it, by signing players from crazy, but it still didn't really work - G2 And we can go on and on. And this is Astralis where the scene was "established". If we go in the past, it gets worse than this.
2021-12-27 04:52
#327
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New Zealand SWARN151
You know that is is unfair? Let's see Astralis' domination then: 1) A team of no-namers and onliners who weren't seen before - Avangar 2) A team of rookies and no-namers who were never seen before - Ence 3) A team without a proper coach, 2 deadweight 30 yo players and incredibly bad teamplay that's criticized by analysts in literally every show - Navi 4) A team that's practically disbanding and is a shadow of its past - huge fanbase but hardly any good teamplay left - MIBR 5) A team with huge loads of internal issues - IGL about to get kicked, AWPer about to get kicked, rosters reshuffle and unstable, the star players all changing their roles cuz team is in shambles - Faze Clan 6) A team that was really good before the player break but then something happened and they were never the same again - they had no dedicated AWPer, internal issues broke the team from within, and this team lost all their possesse even before being defeated by Astralis - Liquid 7) A team that's only a shell of its past - all players are inconsistent except one, and they make roster changes to bring in new IGL, new star player, new coach and thus new teamplay - Fnatic 8) A team that didn't win LANs since 2017, where the legends lost motivation and soon stepped down, no longer being able to keep up with the competition, new players, new coach come in - NiP 9) Another struggling that didn't win anything since 2017, where the roster imploded due to internal troubles and they went international to fix it, by signing players from crazy, but it still didn't really work - G2 And we can go on and on. And this is Astralis where the scene was "established". If we go in the past, it gets worse than this.
2021-12-27 04:56
2 replies
1. You conveniently left out VP who has one of the best cores in CSGO history and super dominant still at the time. 2. Liquid > G2, vitality, and gambit. They won the grand slam title and had a mini era of their own. Their core 5 is incredibly stacked in terms of firepower. Doesnt matter if they lost momentum or not that are still better then those 3 teams I mentioned objectively speaking. 3. Navi has 2 players who are within top 10 range (already named the beat duo in csgo at that time) and 1 player who is on top 20 range. Always a threat in big tournaments. 4. The SK core was still playing at 2017 and were still on top form regardless of losing. Coldzera ranked 1# player, fer ranked 3# and fallen at #6 Thats 4 teams I mentioned, more than 3 of the top 2021 major contenders. 4 of them are all objectively better in every single criteria and all in which are still playing when Astralis won all their 4 majors.
2021-12-27 05:06
1 reply
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New Zealand SWARN151
Wait, you could see my message? In my profile, I saw it get auto-removed since it was probably too long. And so, I posted it again xD And there are actually many more teams. If I list more, it's gonna get crazy. And the current Gambit roster is there since 2019 with just one player changed in last 2.5 years (bringing Hobbit). So, I'd say Gambit and Heroic are just as stable as VP and Liquid were. Not as accomplished, but as stable. As for being a threat in tournaments, that's there even now - G2, Vitality, Gambit, VP, Heroic, NiP, etc The SK core and VP core didn't exist since 2018 and Astralis won 3 majors after that.
2021-12-27 05:17
#330
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New Zealand SWARN151
You know that is is unfair? Let's see Astralis' domination then: 1) A team of no-namers and onliners who weren't seen before - Avangar 2) A team of rookies and no-namers who were never seen before - Ence 3) A team without a proper coach, 2 deadweight 30 yo players and incredibly bad teamplay that's criticized by analysts in literally every show - Navi 4) A team that's practically disbanding and is a shadow of its past - huge fanbase but hardly any good teamplay left - MIBR 5) A team with huge loads of internal issues - IGL about to get kicked, AWPer about to get kicked, rosters reshuffle and unstable, the star players all changing their roles cuz team is in shambles - Faze Clan 6) A team that was really good before the player break but then something happened and they were never the same again - they had no dedicated AWPer, internal issues broke the team from within, and this team lost all their possesse even before being defeated by Astralis - Liquid 7) A team that's only a shell of its past - all players are inconsistent except one, and they make roster changes to bring in new IGL, new star player, new coach and thus new teamplay - Fnatic 8) A team that didn't win LANs since 2017, where the legends lost motivation and soon stepped down, no longer being able to keep up with the competition, new players, new coach come in - NiP 9) Another struggling that didn't win anything since 2017, where the roster imploded due to internal troubles and they went international to fix it, by signing players from crazy, but it still didn't really work - G2 And we can go on and on. And this is Astralis where the scene was "established". If we go in the past, it gets worse than this.
2021-12-27 04:56
22 replies
+1 best explanation
2021-12-27 05:08
1 reply
wrong reply
2021-12-27 07:31
now he won't reply
2021-12-27 06:43
5 replies
I just did. Feel free to disprove my point ;)
2021-12-27 12:52
4 replies
Astralis never had an era when VP, SK were on their prime, they won major but that's it. Their era started after addition of Magisk. During Liquid mini era Astralis used to skip tournaments and only played Blasts. They weren't dominant during that period as well. And NaVi during that time isn't even stronger than current Vitality, which is saying a lot.
2021-12-27 13:45
3 replies
1. Astralis were winning the most tournaments out of everyone including the most tier S tournaments. From 2017 they won a total of 9 tier S tournaments which included 4 majors and 5 big tournaments that hosted all the top 10 teams. SK and VP were still operating at that 2017 period, no changes to their core lineup. They are still very much strong and Astralis beat them all. 2. Doesnt matter if Astralis skipped a few tournaments, they still beat everyone in the majority of tournaments they play in including Liquid. 3. You cant argue from an objective stance how VP, SK, and Liquid which were all still at top form when Astralis won 4 majors were less better then Gambit, G2, and Vitality.
2021-12-27 13:57
2 replies
The fact that you think VP, SK were at top form when Astralis won 4 majors shows that you didn't watch pro CS during that time. Astralis weren't even with the same roster during their 1st major win. You need to fact-check before blabbering nonsense here.
2021-12-27 15:04
1 reply
2017 : coldzera #1, fer #3, fallen #6 2017 eleague : VP major finalists
2021-12-28 00:18
Well, kinda true. Not gonna lie. And you even missed many of the other "top" struggling teams... The irony here is, 80% of the commenters were probably not around when these teams had their eras, and all they know is just hearsay. They think that the earlier era teams were just unbeatable or that the scene was extremely strong, both of which aren't really true. But they don't know that, no matter how much they pretend to know it. Hence, most discussions are pointless. Roster changes, reshuffles, weakening and strengthening teams, it's all part of CSGO's life-cycle, and it has always happened. People have a kinda goldfish memory, so they wouldn't know/remember. Also, all eras are different. The way I see it, SK/LG had 2 spurts of dominance, but it wasn't an era. Not only was there a drought of trophies every now and then, but they failed to string together more than 2 big event trophies in a row. In my opinion, a team needs 1 year of total dominance to have an era. Only 3 teams qualify - NiP, Fnatic, and Astralis. Navi needs to continue this till the summer break of 2022, to be in the same league as those 3 teams.
2021-12-27 07:31
1 reply
#399
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New Zealand SWARN151
+1 true. Navi doesn't have an era yet. Just an extremely dominant phase, comparable to the likes of Astralis, Fnatic, NiP. The "longevity" aspect is gonna determine if they will have an era or not. They survived the summer break (where Liquid failed). Now, they need to survive the winter break, to be in the same league as those 3 teams you mentioned. Even SK/LG couldn't survive that.
2021-12-27 08:20
I would argue that Astralis's 6 trophies in 2019 were more hard fought than Navi's 8 trophies in 2021. And the logic is quite simple: There were more title contender teams in 2019. TL with 3 trophies, Mouz with 3 trophies, Vitality with 3 trophies. Vp, Ence and Navi with a win each. That's more than 5 teams with a t1 event win each. In 2021 heroic, Vitality, Gambit and Navi were the ONLY teams to win big events. That's hardly surprising considering the whole csgo scene apart from EU was shook up; teams were finding it hard to gain a footing after the online era had concluded. Props to Navi for staying clear in the post pandemic times when other teams were falling apart but let's not slide this year under the rug and act like it wasn't any different. Sure when you look back, there's only lan trophies and online trophies. That's where the distinction ends but it's quite disingenuous to remove the context imo, don't you agree?
2021-12-27 07:44
1 reply
#398
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New Zealand SWARN151
I understand what you're saying, but I don't completely agree with your point, for a clear reason: The true Astralis era existed from April 2018 to April 2019: imgur.com/a/Oj5Pj6Z After that (from April to December 2019), i.e. after Astralis took their famous break, teams like Liquid, Vitality, Mouz, Navi, etc sprung up with a few trophies, while Astralis too won a few later, here and there, but the era was already over. So, even though Astralis was officially the number1 team of 2019, they weren't at the top throughout the year, at all. When they were at the top in their era, no team could topple them - like Navi right now. That is, during their era, it wasn't competitive like you were suggesting, since nobody could topple prime Astralis.
2021-12-27 08:14
#407
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Russia Drain3r
+1 not agreeing on avangar and ence tho
2021-12-27 09:10
Sir swarn never fails to be correct and on point
2021-12-27 11:52
1. You left out VP conveniently. Vp's core is one of CSGO's all time best and were at their prime when Astralis won their first major. 2. Sk were still a solid team on 2017 and further on when Astralis won the major. Coldzera at #1, Fer at #3, and Fallen at #6th. 3. Navi were always a threat on top competitions. They have two players who are consistenly entering top 10 zone and 1 player in the top 20. 4. Liquid had a mini era of their own, they were at one point only second to Liquid and have been proving it by winning the grandslam and having one of the most stacked firepowers in the game at that time. Thats 4 teams I mentioned that has played Astralis and they beat them all. These 4 teams are also better than current G2, Vitality, and Gambit objectively speaking. Next please
2021-12-27 12:58
7 replies
#446
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New Zealand SWARN151
You have no idea what you're talking about, bruh. 1) VP wasn't even close to its prime in 2017 xD, what are you talking about? Golden 5's prime was actually in CS1.6 and their CSGO Prime was in 2014 when they won their 1st and only major. VP won 1 event in that roster's existence after 2017. And before 2017, their last trophy was 8 months ago. They had won 2 big trophies in 3 years, till 2017. 2) SK Gaming wasn't even close to its peak when Astralis won their 1st major (Jan 2017). SK didn't even win any event from July 2016 till May 2017. The reason why Cold, Fer, and FalleN got those ranks is that they stepped up immensely from DHM Las Vegas 2017 in May. 3) "Were always a threat". Vitality, G2, Gambit, Heroic are always threats and Navi themselves acknowledge it. Gambit will have 3 Top7 players this year, Heroic will have Top20 players, Vitality has Top2 player and they've been playing well ever since their roster changes were announced. If Navi with edward, zeus, Flamie and starix as coach (Navi strats were some of the worst strats in Tier-1) who won 1 event in 2019 (where Astralis wasn't even attending) were always a threat, many teams are a threat. 4) Liquid had their mini-era when Astralis was on a break. Astralis didn't face the IGS prime Liquid, and focused on BLAST events instead. After the summer break, when Astralis returned, Liquid fell off and hardly won anything after that. And at the beginning of 2020, they had to make roster changes as well. Liquid didn't even have a dedicated AWPer, just like G2. Gambit were contenders to win the grand-slam and at one point had 3 Top5 players, which makes it one of the most stacked firepower.
2021-12-27 13:48
#448
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New Zealand SWARN151
1) VP wasn't even close to its prime in 2017 xD, what are you talking about? Golden 5's prime was actually in CS1.6 and their CSGO Prime was in 2014 when they won their 1st and only major. VP won 1 event in that roster's existence after 2017. And before 2017, their last trophy was 8 months ago. They had won 2 big trophies in 3 years, till 2017. 2) SK Gaming wasn't close to its peak at all, when Astralis won their 1st major (Jan 2017). SK didn't even win any event from July 2016 till May 2017. The reason why Cold, Fer, and FalleN got those ranks is that they stepped up immensely from DHM Las Vegas 2017 onwards in May. When that happened, Astralis didn't win any big events either. 3) "Were always a threat". Vitality, G2, Gambit, Heroic are always threats and Navi themselves acknowledge it. Gambit will have 3 Top7 players this year, Heroic will have Top20 players, Vitality has Top2 player and they've been playing well ever since their roster changes were announced. If Navi with edward, zeus, Flamie and starix as coach (Navi strats were some of the worst strats in Tier-1) who won 1 event in 2019 (where Astralis wasn't even attending) were always a threat, many teams are a threat. 4) Liquid had their mini-era when Astralis was on a break. Astralis didn't face the IGS prime Liquid, and focused on BLAST events instead. After the summer break, when Astralis returned, Liquid fell off and hardly won anything after that. And at the beginning of 2020, they had to make roster changes as well. Liquid didn't even have a dedicated AWPer, just like G2. Gambit were contenders to win the grand-slam and at one point had 3 Top5 players, which makes them one of the most stacked firepowers. You have no idea what you're talking about, bruh.
2021-12-27 13:53
5 replies
Absolutely wrong on so many levels. Vp were favorites to win Eleague, i didnt say SK was at peak but on 2017 they had 3 players on top 10 list, vitality gambit g2 all are nowhere close to vp and sk on top form, and lastly liquid still destroyed everyone except astralis to which only shows how strong astralis really is by pummeling them everytime they face each other, before and after break so it actually proves my point even further of how insane Astralis dominance really is The recency bias is strong with this one.
2021-12-27 14:02
4 replies
#456
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New Zealand SWARN151
VP didn't win an event in 8 months before the major and were somehow favourites to win the major? Sure. They didn't even win any event after the major, for 6 more months. So much for being favourites... SK had 3 players in Top10 because they won 7-8 trophies starting from May 2017 till December 2017. Astralis' Atlanta major was in Jan 2017. So your 3 Top10 players point doesn't make sense. And yeah, Astralis was Liquid's kryptonite. Just like Navi is G2's. Ever since 2020, G2 could beat everyone but got pummeled by Navi literally everytime. And finally, I'm not saying current rosters matched up to the primes of the above teams. But just because they didn't, it doesn't make the teams today weak. All the players of today, are just as mechanically skilled but have all the experience gathered till 2021. Even Gla1ve said that the level of CS has risen since 2018, even though the scene is a little less competitive as of right now.
2021-12-27 14:11
3 replies
Then we agree to disagree
2021-12-27 14:54
2 replies
#494
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New Zealand SWARN151
+1 Respect for respectful users like you. Have a nice day! :)
2021-12-27 20:33
1 reply
You too bud
2021-12-28 00:13
#442
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Brazil Semeon
You lose for ence... please shut up!
2021-12-27 13:36
All other teams are in shambles because of navi smh ... Its not like every team want to make changes , they r forced to make changes cause thier lineup simply cant compete against navi.
2021-12-26 22:53
10 replies
+1 well said
2021-12-27 01:29
Look at first 6 months of the year, Vitality and G2 clearly didn't come in prepared
2021-12-27 02:46
#315
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Canada loldougie
No teams make changes just because they can't beat the #1 team lol this is the worst take ever
2021-12-27 04:17
7 replies
#319
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New Zealand SWARN151
Not really. If you look at the HLTV confirmed episodes, they all said this. The reason why teams make roster changes is because they want to win, and to do that, they need to make a roster than can dethrone the top dogs. And therefore all roster changes amongst the Tier-1 teams directly or indirectly boil down to the same motivation. It'll take some time, but I can link the clips from the episodes, if you wish.
2021-12-27 04:41
6 replies
#329
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Canada loldougie
Yeah, link the clips. Because this sounds like some extremely flawed logic.
2021-12-27 04:56
5 replies
#338
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New Zealand SWARN151
Yo, I'll try. All these 3 hour videos. Gonna be hard to find those minutes now xD. I'll try.
2021-12-27 05:10
4 replies
#349
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Canada loldougie
I feel like this is largely opinion based, I'd love to see like a poll or something from people within the scene.
2021-12-27 05:21
3 replies
#351
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New Zealand SWARN151
Poll about why teams are making changes? Or poll about whether or not Navi have an era? Of course, it's subjective and opinion-based. Though I feel that this article gave excellent justifications. As for whether they have an era, I saw an interview with many pros (conducted during BLAST Fall Finals): youtu.be/9NLfWTq8Oq0
2021-12-27 05:25
2 replies
#356
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Canada loldougie
Well the article says they don't have an era: "It's a tad too early to say so" so yeah, no
2021-12-27 05:39
1 reply
#359
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New Zealand SWARN151
+1 They mentioned 6 critera for an era - 3 are tangible and quantifiable, while the other 3 are non-quantifiable. And I agree with all of them. So yeah, it is a tad bit too early.
2021-12-27 05:48
Still can't take away the fact navi are just unstoppable atm.. people used that excuse when Leicester won the PL.. just salty people
2021-12-27 14:04
cry
2021-12-26 22:35
hi yes
2021-12-27 16:32
Good argument)
2021-12-26 21:59
2 replies
#469
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Sweden GabeeM
Competition is in shambles atm and half a year isn’t enough. Strong 2022 will be necessary.
2021-12-27 16:45
1 reply
Yeah if navi continue this winning streak in 2022 then I think the era is undeniable.
2021-12-28 02:05
SK 2 era, Navi 0
2021-12-26 21:45
31 replies
Brazil no era
2021-12-26 21:46
17 replies
2 era
2021-12-26 21:49
16 replies
Brazil never won against for BIG so no ERA
2021-12-26 21:51
15 replies
-1
2021-12-26 21:51
+1
2021-12-26 21:56
2 replies
#29 #33 #32 ...
2021-12-26 21:58
1 reply
2021-12-26 22:46
1 reply
looooool you fell in a bad bait...
2021-12-27 00:33
1 reply
lmao got triggered and trolled
2021-12-26 22:08
finland never win against PIVOSQUAD
2021-12-26 22:11
3 replies
true
2021-12-26 22:46
Russia never won against Simo Häyhä
2021-12-27 07:03
1 reply
wow bro, that's huge the biggest (and probably the only) finnish victory
2021-12-27 09:55
#130
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Brazil Nicolito
Uhh... not sure if you baiting/trolling or just new/dumb bcoz SK, Immortals, FURIA, GODSENT won vs BIG lots of maps...
2021-12-26 23:20
#484
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Brazil Lok72
-1 eternal or at least once in a life time vice champions
2021-12-27 18:25
#120
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
sk 1 era
2021-12-26 23:13
BR moment
2021-12-27 04:50
11 replies
#337
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Brazil Ties4
Stop crying bro. Although your country has never had a major or anything comparable to what Brazil achieved in CS, it is no reason to spread bullshit around. Also, don't try to argue against facts :/ #335
2021-12-27 05:10
10 replies
How is that 2 eras, can you explain? And I don't care what my country achieves in CS, LOL. At least that way I can give unbiased opinion with bringing nationalism into it. And about winning, We dominate in many other eSports, we don't necessarily need to win in CSGO. You can't win everything in the world.
2021-12-27 05:14
7 replies
#348
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Brazil Ties4
Biased and nationalism wtf? It's the facts and you're just trying to dodge it with sophistry. The only biased here is you, lol.
2021-12-27 05:20
6 replies
How is that 2 eras, can you explain? Dodging the main point again, BR moment
2021-12-27 05:23
5 replies
#352
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Brazil Ties4
And who the heck are saying about "hur dur two eras"? I am obviously not arguing about that. You are crying about the SK era even before that commentary. I am just teaching the facts, that definitely had an era and it was one of the most solid era ever seen in csgo.
2021-12-27 05:29
1 reply
I replied to the comment where it said "SK 2 era". Is it too hard to understand? "You are crying about the SK era even before that commentary." Where exactly?
2021-12-27 05:31
#485
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Brazil Lok72
obviously is 2 eras one as LG and another as SK
2021-12-27 18:26
2 replies
BR moment, he wrote SK 2 era
2021-12-27 18:32
1 reply
#490
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Brazil Lok72
he came from the future, last dance is confirmed under SK banter
2021-12-27 19:41
"My country's a shithole but at least we had a few guys who could play a video game really well." Sad as fuck.
2021-12-29 23:39
1 reply
#541
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Brazil Ties4
Lmaooooo that cope xDD Also brazil and usa don't have much difference in quality, I would say that here is even better in some aspects
2021-12-29 23:44
I wonder how many times this discussion is going to be repeated lmao
2021-12-26 21:46
4 replies
ya it's starting to get tiring lol
2021-12-26 21:56
1 reply
Been for years.
2021-12-26 22:28
probably untill NaVi win the next major, nobody can argue after that, not even the most delusional astralis fan
2021-12-27 02:40
1 reply
maybe complete another IGS before the major in sep-nov ? bcs i don t think we will have 2 majors
2021-12-27 12:54
#5
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Bangladesh abghunter
dunno
2021-12-26 21:46
1 reply
They don't have an era yet. What they do have is S1mple - who provides the cunning of get right, the consistency of device, the numbers of Coldzera and the cerebral brain of olof.
2021-12-26 22:39
What a pointless discussion
2021-12-26 21:46
#7
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Ukraine devitt
ez b1t have an era
2021-12-26 21:46
There's no such a thing as a navi era, we'll see next year if they can keep up with G2 though
2021-12-26 21:46
34 replies
Lol they dismantled G2 for 2 years and still need to keep up. L O L
2021-12-26 23:26
13 replies
lol, g2 got raped and will get once again , you rlly think some 17 year old dude will make your team top1 in months ? wake up
2021-12-27 01:05
12 replies
#255
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
Yes. They almost beat navi on nuke and could've potentially beat them on 3rd map without the most essential and impactful role in the game. Imagine what they canndo with a proper awp abuser
2021-12-27 01:27
10 replies
COPIUM
2021-12-27 06:46
3 replies
#384
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
navi fans shaking so hard with all the upcoming roster changes
2021-12-27 06:56
2 replies
"nAvI fAnS sHaKinG sO HaRd" axaxaxaxxa COPIUM overdose
2021-12-27 09:12
1 reply
#420
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
0/8
2021-12-27 10:08
bro that happened 1 game , NaaVi has been dominating for the last year, shut up
2021-12-27 13:09
3 replies
#497
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
is it so hard to admit that g2 would be alot better and potentially nearly as good or even better than navi with a solid awp? navi fans truly delusional
2021-12-27 20:47
2 replies
how when you only have one tier above all player ? g2 is totALLLY carried by niko, and im a furia fan, not navi
2022-01-01 20:47
1 reply
#553
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
g2 have decent players too men, hunter is top20 rifler and nexa is a top fragging igl, amanek is a good support as well
2022-01-01 22:47
#535
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Latvia PeaceDATA
imagine G2 need a NAVI player to win a NAVI team :DDDDDDDDDDDD
2021-12-29 17:08
1 reply
#536
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
they need any decent awper, but good one lul
2021-12-29 17:15
If he can point and left click over enemies torso then yes
2021-12-27 02:49
7 S tier events + major + Intel Grand Slam easiest era ever.
2021-12-26 23:56
18 replies
easiest opposition too. almost every team rehauling their lineups or just falling off a cliff horribly.
2021-12-27 00:22
15 replies
fucking hell
2021-12-27 03:08
Same with every era, other teams make roster changes to beat the top team
2021-12-27 04:51
1 reply
#537
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
yeah teams did roster changes for 2.5 whole years under astralis era kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2021-12-29 17:19
#361
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New Zealand SWARN151
The roster changes were announced *after* the Major. Post-major roster changes have always happened, throughout CSGO history. There is nothing new in that. The Major itself had no dead teams. If anything, all teams were grinding hard to be at their peaks, during the major.
2021-12-27 05:53
1 reply
you scrubs always keep forgetting that valve actually built this storyline themselves with their ridiculous roster rules.
2021-12-27 12:21
#491
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Poland rakyushi
the most retarded argument ever being repeated every single year when some team is bettet than others, just fuck off noone
2021-12-27 19:50
6 replies
repeated every year since forever because its true. liquid not a serious contender since 2019, its almost the same with astralis. everybody falling off and teams that had never established themselves on lan made it to the majors. entropiq? le fuq. cph? wtf. ence? literally the weakest opposition ever. G2 DOESNT EVEN HAVE A DEDICATED AWPER and due to the nature of the roster change rules on major they didn't want to switch players because of RMR points. i'll even go as far and say the major competition was as shit as the production quality of PGL 21, if we gonna talk about about opposition.
2021-12-27 20:27
5 replies
#496
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Poland rakyushi
didnt read
2021-12-27 20:43
4 replies
i know u didnt, you vodka brain
2021-12-28 02:38
3 replies
#514
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Poland rakyushi
vodka is disgusting
2021-12-28 09:37
2 replies
doesnt stop YOU from drinking it vodka brain
2021-12-28 14:30
1 reply
#520
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Poland rakyushi
i dont drink vodka, just beer
2021-12-28 14:59
Lol tell me when Astralis got 2 majors by beating Avangars and Ence lul
2022-01-11 15:05
2 replies
in that major ence bulldozed through natus vincere and team liquid, both of which were no shit teams although liquid was probably stronger than navi back then. right now every team out there is looking pretty damn disjointed. its basically aimers' paradise atm. ence, astralis, liquid, etc. why they were good teams is because they played together to a very high degree. whereas if you just look at navi, it's just insane individual skill. don't need much teamwork if one guy always drops 30 kills in a map.
2022-01-11 15:18
1 reply
nt
2022-01-13 13:11
worst grand slam IGS is supposed to reflect consistency whilst navi won a tournament, fucked off for a year when there weren't internationals, and then came back to say fuck you and won it
2021-12-27 02:30
but you could argue even 7 tier 1 events since he only competition to navi was in the RMR
2021-12-27 02:31
More like we'll see if G2 can keep up with Navi
2021-12-27 03:08
#10
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United States angu_
As a Navi fan these articles are getting ridiculous lmfao
2021-12-26 21:46
6 replies
#11
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United States angu_
Let's revisit this shit in 5 months
2021-12-26 21:47
4 replies
#125
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Not saying htey have or dont have an era, but if indeed in 6 months they do, your argument is still irrelevant because he said they needed a year, and the year is not completed. They could have a 100 win % and 16-0 every map for the last 6 months, and still wouldnt have an era by those criteria established there. So revisiting this in 5/6 months is irrelevant because the timeframe doesnt apply
2021-12-26 23:17
3 replies
But it does apply, IEM Cologne is the start
2021-12-27 02:49
2 replies
#292
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
As a year isn't past now, it can't apply to the journalist's criteria, because he said that only after a year an era could be established. His comment is then useless
2021-12-27 02:51
1 reply
You're missing the point The journalist is saying "atleast total of 1 year domination" not "1 year domination from now"
2021-12-27 06:48
Ok plastic
2021-12-27 03:28
here inb4 this article will get 600+ replies.
2021-12-26 21:48
4 replies
#15
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Finland uSnaj69
This gets max 100 as people are too lazy to read.
2021-12-26 21:49
3 replies
#121
b1t | 
United Kingdom Jemers
Already wrong
2021-12-26 23:14
2 replies
#122
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Finland uSnaj69
Whoops!
2021-12-26 23:14
1 reply
#124
b1t | 
United Kingdom Jemers
Better luck next time))
2021-12-26 23:16
navi have era yes
2021-12-26 21:49
TLDR: no
2021-12-26 21:49
13 replies
TLDR 7 S tier events + major + Intel Grand Slam easiest era ever.
2021-12-26 23:57
12 replies
??? Astralis did all this and more how is it easiest era ever
2021-12-27 00:18
10 replies
so? they had weaker opposition but 3 more titles. if NaVi had no era then fnatic+nip+vp+lg combined arent worth 2021 NaVi
2021-12-27 00:29
9 replies
never said NaVi has no era. i just don't agree with easiest era ever. the whole "weaker opposition" argument is kinda pointless + Astralis dominated like hell. It's not just they won a lot but also how they won; they did comprehensively no one seemed to stand a chance. They didn't need to pull comebacks like 2021 NaVi most of the time because they stomped a lot and were just in a different universe than other teams. therefore, Astralis era = "easiest" era (whatever tf that means)
2021-12-27 00:32
8 replies
Not my fault u dont understand what "easy" means Winning 7 Elite tier events including a major and IGL is a full pack and its not even a discussion. I doubt anyone will be able to do the same in the upcoming few years (probably more) U just compared NaVi to Astralis for no reason. Astralis 2018 wouldnt be able to beat NaVi 2021 even though they had impressive scores and win streaks agaisnt their opponents. It doesnt really matter for NaVi if its 16-6 or 19-15, they win no matter what and had incredible bo3 and map win streaks as well.
2021-12-27 00:50
2 replies
I mean, at the end of the day it's all just a matter of opinion. "easy", not "easy" eh who cares let's just look at the stats and facts.
2021-12-27 00:44
Navi 2021 wouldn't win over top team of 2024
2021-12-27 02:51
Sure, astralis' domination was better but that doesn't mean Navi doesn't have an era, they've been winning since the last 6 months or so and weren't bad before that (#3 if I remember correctly). If you consider SK to have an era, then Navi has one. We just didn't have enough majors this year to get Navi 2 majors, not saying they would've won it.
2021-12-27 04:57
4 replies
#335
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Brazil Ties4
"If you consider SK to have an era, then Navi has one" this is a bait, right? Is nothing comparable lol. Two majors, tons of lan winnings and the second longest team in #1 hltv. You must be kidding bro.
2021-12-27 05:08
3 replies
1 reply
Now comparing it with Navi's winnings in 2021 tier 1 international events. 6 out of 11 international tier 1 events(4/4 LANS) because we didn't have enough LAN events due to some virus + the only major which happened after 2 years without losing a single map. Point being if SK had an era, so does Na'vi. If you still can't accept it, you're delusional or nationalism is in your way of unbiased thinking hltv.org/events/5206/blast-premier-globa.. hltv.org/events/5552/iem-katowice-2021 hltv.org/events/5553/esl-pro-league-seas.. hltv.org/events/5728/dreamhack-masters-s.. hltv.org/events/5219/iem-summer-2021 hltv.org/events/5604/blast-premier-sprin.. hltv.org/events/5469/iem-cologne-2021 hltv.org/events/5554/esl-pro-league-seas.. hltv.org/events/5607/blast-premier-fall-.. hltv.org/events/5730/iem-winter-2021 hltv.org/events/5608/blast-premier-world..
2021-12-27 06:22
Stop embarassing Navi fans lol
2021-12-27 04:59
#20
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Germany JonnyEGood
winning a lot yes
2021-12-26 21:51
#21
RUSH | 
Somalia rs6a
Reminder that s1mple has the same number of major wins as Rush
2021-12-26 21:51
5 replies
Both great players, deserved wins
2021-12-26 22:04
#46
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Finland HARD4ENCE
How many HLTV top 1's does RUSH have?
2021-12-26 22:06
3 replies
as many as device and niko
2021-12-26 23:51
2 replies
#190
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Finland HARD4ENCE
OOOF
2021-12-27 00:16
BIG OOOF
2021-12-27 01:32
every year there must be a team that has an era. If not my braino explode
2021-12-26 21:53
1 reply
2017 is really an anomaly.
2021-12-27 02:53
tltr
2021-12-26 21:54
#24
NAF | 
Asia aref81
is king_dempz verified on twitter?
2021-12-26 21:55
Yes they have
2021-12-26 21:55
Its like Liquid, they didnt have an era but was dominant. Now Navi won a major + 1 more tournament. If they lose maybe one or two and start winning again it’ll still be their era
2021-12-26 21:56
15 replies
#169 kk
2021-12-26 23:59
14 replies
he's right u little delusional navi fan
2021-12-27 00:34
13 replies
u are a biased georgian CIS hater who will support any abroad team no matter what and a casual s1mple hater ofc lol full pack lol Liquid won their IGL while most teams where shuffling as hell + choked at the major (the most important event of the year) Not even close. 7 Elite events + Major + Intel Grand Slam = "he's right u little delusional navi fan" XD
2021-12-27 01:01
12 replies
Liquid didn't choke at the major, they simply lost against Astralis, u shouldn't consider losing against the best team ever as choking, anyway u wouldn't get it you're just typical gloryhunter. wonder if you even were Astralis fanboy for the last 3 years and just changed the flair nowadays
2021-12-27 01:19
9 replies
"best team in the world" I think u forgot what year it was lol
2021-12-27 01:21
4 replies
I think you forgot who's been the best team for last 3 years
2021-12-27 01:22
3 replies
But Astralis never had an era in 2019 or 2020. They were actually losing quite a lot. Unlike 2018. But yeah, who could ve though that a team like Liquid would lose to an actual team. They were preetty good at beating random EU mixes under big orgs. But yeah, doing what Astalis did in 2018 is not an era, no ;( Sorry man :( s1mple noob NaVi bad. Keep making more threads about NaVi and s1mple, u are definitely not a biased hater lmao
2021-12-27 01:28
2 replies
struggling for a few months doesn't mean having no era, Liquid have won most of the events they didn't play vs Astralis or they just didn't even attend (yes i know they beat Astralis in EPL but that was the last time they have won against them, don't count this Astralis losing to Liquid because their core is fundamentally different). Btw as you say NaVi's era is the easiest ever, just look at the stats. Even compare the majors, Astralis have lost 41 rounds in 3 major finals combined, while NaVi have lost 30 rounds in just 1 major final. Btw tell me the team NaVi 32-2'd and I will agree with you with them having the easiest era ever. 2021 is one of the least competitive year ever, 2019 was at it's peak in terms of competition. Only one argument about NaVi having an easy era is the competition being one of the lowest, while the top10 in the last 3 years was the most stacked in the history.
2021-12-27 01:38
1 reply
what I meant by "easy" is that they won 7 (almost every elite tier event) including major + Intel Grand Slam + one of the sickest bo3 winstreaks. So its safe to say that its an era without a doubt.
2021-12-27 02:03
I was a NaVi fan since their legendary 1.6 ukrainian line-up ;) wdym glory hunter. NaVi had like 1 bad year during their whole existence in csgo. they never were a bad team so ur statements make no sense anyway
2021-12-27 01:23
3 replies
proof or didn't say
2021-12-27 01:24
1 reply
clown
2021-12-27 01:30
i mean depends on your definition of "bad" but I'd say 2014, 2017, 2019 were pretty bad
2021-12-27 04:21
I'm not hater, anyway of course I will always dislike the player whos ego is on another level compared to his teammates, just look at how s1mple flames Perfecto after the losses. Money can do enough for you to say he's not toxic, of course.
2021-12-27 01:21
1 reply
Nobody cares about snowflake's opinions like urs
2021-12-27 06:51
#31
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United States cybonics
nah navi bomb out of katowice group stage 0-2
2021-12-26 21:57
No
2021-12-26 21:58
#36
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Russia ToughGuy
Yes they have an era.
2021-12-26 21:59
Yes of course
2021-12-26 21:59
#39
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France r0ckT
an Era is Astralis or NiP. NaVi is great team, but never gonna happen. Why? its easy, CIS team are the worst in fanbase (you are animals), but great in skill. Its like CIS/RU are autistics players, very insane aim players, but with no coordinations. EU players are exactly the opposite. NaVi wont have an era, they cant be just insane aimers. EU igl will fuck them very hard in two months at Katowice. End of the fairy tales, end of NaVi shit. s1mple is GOAT. thats true. one man army never work on a long time basis.
2021-12-26 22:01
Nice article!
2021-12-26 22:01
No they do not. They are the best team. but that is not an era.. An era has to be super special because if every other team gets one, what is the point of claiming to have an era.. then its just a word.. To me there have been two clear eras, and one that is a maybe. Greatest era is from the best team cs ever had, that changed the very way CS was played 2 times through there era in Astralis.. no one before or after have been close to that. NaVi is super strong, and they might very well end up having an era.. But that is for the future to say, right now they are just the best team in cs right now.
2021-12-26 22:04
11 replies
#64
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Poland v1ctorex
For 5-6 months the best
2021-12-26 22:17
3 replies
Astralis were the best team for 3 years bruh stop being delusional
2021-12-27 00:35
2 replies
Haha no, 3 years is exaggeration, they fell off after 2019
2021-12-27 05:04
#366
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Indonesia lukerey
3 years? What? They only being the best at 2018. 2019 not really as dominant as 2018, 2020-2021 was mediocre. What do u mean 3 years? I think you are the one who delusional here.
2021-12-27 06:06
''No they do not'' is simply your opinion, every single pro believes they have an era. I dont know what i think about it tbh, I'd say they have an era but i'd also like to see them 2-3 more events convincingly.
2021-12-26 23:05
2 replies
Would be dumb if I answered a thread claiming to write your opinion, so ofc its mine.. And many pros say many thing. many things have nothing to do with nothing. My reason is super simple. if an era is handed out left and right then we might as well stop using the term because it will be meaningless..
2021-12-27 00:50
1 reply
Literally 5 teams across 8 years who has had an era, counting na'vi. How tf is that giving it out left and right? xddddd
2021-12-27 18:49
They won 7 S tier events including a major and Intel Grand Slam U still think its not an era lol? Winning almost all events and getting an extremely rare achievement (IGL) + major is a full pack.
2021-12-26 23:56
idiot
2021-12-27 00:20
2 replies
Just because people don't agree with you and just because you have personal and nationalistic feeling about something does not mean others are idiots regardless.. If you think they have an era I do not think you are an idiot. I just don't agree.. You see, simple and smart... bare have to be intelligent for understanding that... Its amazing.
2021-12-27 00:52
1 reply
you aint fooling anyone with that nickname, stop pretending and tryharding idiot
2021-12-27 01:22
#43
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Serbia dziggy13
Navi? No
2021-12-26 22:04
1 reply
#169 Navi? Yes
2021-12-26 23:59
#45
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Italy NotNew
SK never had an era
2021-12-26 22:06
6 replies
#134
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Brazil Nicolito
cry is free pasta, even HLTV recognizes they had ciao
2021-12-26 23:21
5 replies
#143
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Italy NotNew
they never had one, it's a fact, this article is irrelevant, an era is about being dominant for a period of time on every tournament, first sk didn't win anythin other than majors, second sk didn't win a single major, you need both like astralis and fnatic
2021-12-26 23:28
4 replies
#148
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Brazil Nicolito
back to back majors in 2016 + months in top 1 team. 8 LAN tournaments in 2017 + almost whole year top 1 team. Back to back top 1 player, top 2 player, top 3 player, top 6 player. HAHAHAH, if LG/SK didn't had an era, only Astralis had and no other team.
2021-12-26 23:36
3 replies
#153
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Italy NotNew
two different lineups
2021-12-26 23:42
2 replies
#161
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Brazil Nicolito
2016, early 2017: FalleN, Coldzera, fer, TACO, fnx late 2017: FalleN, Coldzera, fer, TACO, felps they didn't had a era just because only 1 player was different for some months? Is that your argument? seriously? You are trying so hard in your denial which is just ridiculous. NiP got maikelele in late 2014, they didn't have an era because of that? Fnatic pronax left in 2015, also Lekr0 showed up in late 2016, they also didn't have an era? Look at your comments/arguments and compare to mines. Either you accept that you lost or you admit that you are a mediocre person, maybe you're just baiting because its not possible...
2021-12-26 23:52
Just don't answer this idiot
2021-12-27 01:38
you forgot cloud9 2 week era
2021-12-26 22:07
#48
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Sweden frizzahh
No lmfao
2021-12-26 22:07
2 replies
#169 lmfao
2021-12-26 23:58
1 reply
#365
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Sweden frizzahh
Flair checks out Lmfao
2021-12-27 06:03
no
2021-12-26 22:07
1 reply
2021-12-26 23:58
#51
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Bosnia and Herzegovina faykeee
J E ra
2021-12-26 22:09
What a well-written article! Great job :)
2021-12-26 22:09
#53
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Ukraine Slavv_Boss
Not yet, I would say if they win 1-2 events, then we can talk about it. For now, personally I would say that we don’t have Navi era yet
2021-12-26 22:09
without a doubt. People bring up the eras and Navis is just as dominant as any of them apart from Astralis. They won Grand Slam and then the Major without dropping a map which has never been done.
2021-12-26 22:10
10 replies
But if they fall off after the player break and don't win any events anymore... What then? Would you give them an era because they just had 3 players peak in a span of 6 months? I'm personally inclined to 'no' on that one. And the argument 'But they'll win the next events" is completely useless, because you can't predict the future. Many teams are upgrading and Na'Vi have shown some weakness in the Blast. It'll be really tough to beat them. And for me personally I also feel like everything coming from a long online-only period where it seems that Na'Vi are the only team that don't have a glaring flaw going into a LAN-environment, just made it so there was no way for other teams to win. If they keep their form and victories going into the next Major, they can have an era for me. Otherwise they are more like Liquid 2019 or Faze 2017-2018.
2021-12-26 23:34
9 replies
so literally nobody has had an era apart from Astralis going on your logic. They dominated the Major and won the Grand Slam. 5 LAN wins in a row and their worst finish all year is 2nd in online events. They are not out here winning Home Sweet Home events
2021-12-27 00:20
8 replies
"their worst finish all year is 2nd in online events." bro we both know this is bullshit. at least do a 10 second search before writing this ffs hltv.org/events/5553/esl-pro-league-seas.. hltv.org/events/5552/iem-katowice-2021
2021-12-27 00:37
4 replies
I am talking about this line up dumbass. This was before b1t played stupid. No wonder s1mple hates Jermans
2021-12-27 01:57
3 replies
you never said anything about lineup in your comment, and the context of this discussion is the whole year.... and even then, you're still wrong: hltv.org/events/5901/epic-league-cis-202.. yes, yes I know Akuma and stuff but they lost to Spirit in this event too. so who's the dumbass again?
2021-12-27 02:17
2 replies
why would I be talking about Navi with a different line up stupid. You are using an event with cheaters but yeah you got me.
2021-12-27 02:26
1 reply
because NaVi didn't win the Intel Grand Slam with just this current lineup + all the events they won this year weren't just with the b1t lineup either
2021-12-27 02:45
Grand Slam was one while including an event 2 years ago. Yes, they have a dominant period of 6 months. But before that they were losing more to Gambit than winning. I just think they would need a couple of months extra to actually say they have an era.
2021-12-27 11:51
2 replies
why they have dominated 4 stacked LAN events and one was a Major where they didnt drop a map which nobody has done. Not the mention the level of CS is way higher than some of the other so called eras. The losses to Gambit dont really hold much weight either considering what they have done to them at every LAN they have played them this year
2021-12-27 12:37
1 reply
My point is that: if they have an era, it started at Cologne. And since then not enough time has passed to say 'they have an era'. If they fall down drastically after the player break, I will say they don't have an era. Do I think that's likely? Absolutely not! I expect Na'Vi to be at least a top 3 favorite at the next Major at which point I'll gladly give them their era.
2021-12-27 19:59
#57
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Brazil Zzards
If you have to ask someone if we are in the Navi era then they dont have an era yet, very s1imple....
2021-12-26 22:13
navi's era is the only era that impressed me tbh, and I been in this game for 20+ years
2021-12-26 22:13
#59
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Poland bot_taz
Half a year is not an era, but they can for sure have one of the longest eras in CS:GO.
2021-12-26 22:14
btw there's also an interview (either betway or rivalry) where every single pro player interviewed said yes, it was the Navi era.
2021-12-26 22:14
3 replies
#95
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Russia ToughGuy
But but hltv writer said no era
2021-12-26 22:51
1 reply
Astralis had an era Navi dont Pls dont cry
2021-12-28 18:58
The question was "Is this the beginning of a Na'Vi era?". And the pros did answer yes to that question. But especially gla1ve and apEx stressed the point that it's the beginning. What if they fall flat on their faces after the player break? Can you call a story with just a beginning a story? You can't say "They will keep winning", unless you are able to predict the future. You should ask the question "If they were to drop off now and stop winning, would it be an era?" because an era is defined after the facts, not when they just started to look dominant.
2021-12-26 23:41
#61
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Argentina cheapdeed
What is an era, and why i don't care.
2021-12-26 22:16
#62
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Canada Femtal
Slow day for HLTV staff such a unnecessary article lol
2021-12-26 22:16
#63
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Ukraine sargon32
Great article with great pleasure to read it. In my opinion Navi is the most dominant team in history, they won 8 tournaments in half a year and took the major with incredible ease, no one else can repeat this achievement, so they are the best.
2021-12-26 22:16
9 replies
#77
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North America BoDaddy
🤡 already forgot what Astralis did for years
2021-12-26 22:29
3 replies
#94
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Russia ToughGuy
For 2* lets not overreat
2021-12-26 22:50
2 replies
3*
2021-12-27 00:39
1 reply
#367
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Russia ToughGuy
So u count 2020 as part of an era ?
2021-12-27 06:09
"Navi is the most dominant team in history," Astralis went 18-0 across 3 major playoffs and held on to the #1 spot for 13 consecutive months.... also, NaVi didn't win 8 tournaments in half a year wtf.....
2021-12-27 00:22
4 replies
#280
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North America BoDaddy
+1
2021-12-27 02:32
#369
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Russia ToughGuy
Why u comparing 9 month roster to astralis?
2021-12-27 06:10
2 replies
My point was that his statement was way too early to make
2021-12-27 17:06
Astralis had an era Navi dont Pls dont cry
2021-12-28 18:58
#66
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Russia fslexcduck
Name the best team in CS:GO in 2020-21 period?
2021-12-26 22:19
34 replies
#71
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North America BoDaddy
Best team each year doesn’t mean it’s their era lmao.
2021-12-26 22:24
2 replies
#75
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Russia fslexcduck
First, it's a two year period. Second, I haven't said that era equals to best team in any given period. Third, era is only a word, and a very subjective one. Best team is a best team. And there is no discussion about who it was.
2021-12-26 22:33
1 reply
I'd argue Vitality was better in 2020. And you can't forget that Na'Vi was only the best team in 2021 since Cologne. Recency bias and all might've forgotten that Gambit was winning signifcantly more tournaments before that, even if those were online. I would never call this 2 years where Na'Vi was the best. They contended for 2 years, but only starting in July could you actually call them the best team.
2021-12-26 23:47
#126
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
2020 Astralis Vitality and Heroic all were better than NaVi
2021-12-26 23:17
30 replies
I am talking about 2020-2021 period as a whole.
2021-12-26 23:21
29 replies
#135
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
They dominated late 2021. 2020-2021 wasnt NaVi's
2021-12-26 23:21
28 replies
Whose was it then? Name the best team in 2020-21. It's a simple question.
2021-12-26 23:25
27 replies
#142
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
The best team of them all is NaVi, but that doesnt matter lol. You're gonna say something related to that thing the article was talking about time periods and shit, but whatever it doesnt really count because NaVi only was dominant in 1/4 of that period. They were shit 1/2 and the remainder 1/4 was start of 2021 where they were good.
2021-12-26 23:27
26 replies
They completely dominated two years of LAN 2020 and 2021. They won the most competitive and prestige event in 2020. They won almost all prestige and competitive events in 2021. And they won the most competitive and prestige out of them in a most dominant way ever.
2021-12-26 23:30
25 replies
#146
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
They didnt dominate 2 years. They dominated half a year of LAN and 1 tournament in 2020. They didnt win most prestigious events in 2020, only 2 actually. They won half the prestigious events of 2021.
2021-12-26 23:33
24 replies
Nobody cares of online sh.t. As for the LANs, they were best in 2020 and destroying everybody 2021.
2021-12-26 23:38
23 replies
#154
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
1 event disconnected from the era period doesnt matter. Its liek saying the 2017 astralis major counts to the astralis era. Online shit counts because people were playing and nobody was out there not trying.
2021-12-26 23:43
11 replies
Whatever. Online is not a CS at it's best and everybody knows it.
2021-12-26 23:45
9 replies
#157
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
True, but it's not like it doesnt count
2021-12-26 23:46
8 replies
It counts. Okay, name the best team in 2012-2014. NIP. 2015-16, fnatic. 2017 Luminosity. 2018-19 Astralis. Just name the best team in a specific period. That's it. 2020-21. You already answered. I don't say that it's an era or not. Just a fun fact, if you wish :)
2021-12-27 00:00
7 replies
2015-16 fnatic 2016-2017 SK/Luminosity 2018-2019 Astralis 2020-2021 Natus Vincere
2021-12-27 00:08
1 reply
Yeah, that's better (for the 2016). It's just like, name one team and that's it.
2021-12-27 00:23
who gives a crap about "specific periods". just go year by year wtf 2013 - NiP 2014 - fnatic 2015 - fnatic 2016 - LG/SK 2017 - SK 2018 - Astralis 2019 - Astralis 2020 - Astralis 2021 - NaVi
2021-12-27 00:33
4 replies
Astralis was definitely not the best team in 2020
2021-12-27 15:05
3 replies
"definitely not" 0/8 LMAO sure man hltv.org/news/30896/top-10-teams-of-2020 4 big titles won 80% success rate in grand finals (won 4/5) Lots of time spent on #1 spot Sure, it was the least convincing #1 for them yet but who else was the #1 in 2020? Vitality with 2 titles, 33.3% (i think) success rate in grand finals & wasn't even relevant at all for the first half of the year? NaVi who won Kato and then didn't win shit for the rest of the year?
2021-12-27 17:11
2 replies
they had an unstable roster and inconsistent performances 2 of their event wins had no navi or CIS teams in general, and the other one had a stupid format Two biggest international events of the year (Blast global, IEM Katowice) were won by NaVi
2021-12-27 22:05
1 reply
Blast Global wasn't in 2020; it was beginning of 2021. NaVi only won Katowice in 2021 CIS teams in 2020 were nowhere near the same level as in 2021; there was really only NaVi. All 4 of their titles had at least 1 top 5 team in it and multiple top 10 teams. Who cares about unstable rosters and inconsistency? They were still a Top 1 and even Top 3 team for many, many months of 2020. Higher and more highs but more inconsistency (however not THAT inconsistent) than NaVi
2021-12-28 02:15
#282
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North America BoDaddy
+1 good argument. Hurting him with facts so he starts insulting
2021-12-27 02:34
If you want to pull the "online doesn't count" card, you should only count Katowice 2020, don't count the entirety of the online era (so also not count it with the Na'Vi streak) and continue from Cologne 2021, still making it just 6 months.
2021-12-26 23:50
10 replies
In LAN seasons it's two years 2020 and 2021.
2021-12-26 23:54
9 replies
There was no LAN season for 1.5 years. You can't count those in those 2 years.
2021-12-26 23:56
8 replies
Oh my god. Just name the best LAN team in 2020. And do the same for the 2021. And that's it. Those were shortened, I know. But you still can name the team. Technically, NaVi was the best LAN team in 2020, and in 2021. Like Astralis before, like Luminosity before, and etc.
2021-12-27 00:12
7 replies
But there haven't been 2 years of LAN, so you can't say they dominated 2 years of LAN. A year is a continuous period of 365/366 days. If there wasn't a LAN for 500 days, you cannot count that as "They dominated LAN for 2 years."
2021-12-27 11:46
6 replies
+1 don't get what's so hard to understand
2021-12-28 02:16
So 2020 and 2021 are months for you, right? Nobody cares of what you say in the end. There were plenty of shortened championships in NHL, NBA and other sports. Champion is a champion. Best is best. You can call it LAN season 2020 and 2021, those were shortened, but those still were LAN seasons of 2020 and 2021.
2021-12-30 17:43
4 replies
Okay. But if that's what you're saying "Na'Vi were the best LAN-team of 2020", it holds 0 relevance if you just base it on 1 event. Fnatic were the best Major-team in 2013. This is also true, but there was only one Major. That doesn't make them the best of the whole year. NIP and Verygames were definitely better if you consider the entirety of the year.
2021-12-30 21:34
3 replies
NaVi already had two Grand Finals that year before the Katowice in 2020. And they were considered the best team to start that year and a clear favorite to win the next Major. If not covid they would probably won one or two Majors already before they actually won one this year, while, technically remaining the best LAN team all this time. With this in mind, I am not saying that they were the best team overall in 2020, but at least they hold these "titles" of being the best LAN team in each of the last two years. Just give them that, man. Considering they could've achieved way way more if not this virus situation. It's just a formality, with no far-reaching conclusions, relax.
2021-12-31 02:14
2 replies
I give it to them that they performed the best on LAN in 2020. But that statistic is pretty much useless. You can't say "They would win a Major" Especially the lineup with flamie was known to have a very high ceiling, but also very capable of going out in the early stages of a tournament. Just don't hype up the beginning of 2020 when you're trying to talk about their possible era, because it doesn't matter to the discussion.
2021-12-31 02:33
1 reply
Okay, I can see your point.
2021-12-31 03:32
COVID-19/online era
2021-12-26 22:19
7 replies
they won the last 4 lans, whats your excuse?
2021-12-26 22:35
6 replies
First, flair checks out. Second, online era and lans, hmm let me think, maybe I wasn't talking about navi? Third, whats your excuse?
2021-12-26 22:52
5 replies
you aren't making sense but ok
2021-12-26 22:53
4 replies
Ok you seem not too understand my message, era between astralis and until lans came is COVID-19/online era
2021-12-26 23:06
3 replies
ok, undestood then
2021-12-26 23:06
2 replies
Ye I specifically mentioned "ONLINE" then you wrote about lans and started talking about making sense. Ok.
2021-12-26 23:09
1 reply
dont be mad men
2021-12-26 23:10
#68
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Egypt atahann
twitter author doesn't work?
2021-12-26 22:21
fluke era
2021-12-26 22:23
#70
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North America BoDaddy
No. They didn’t even dominate the whole year… an era is AT LEAST an entire year of domination. They didn’t do crap during online
2021-12-26 22:23
10 replies
#93
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Russia ToughGuy
1st of all by your logic astralis, sk wouldn't had an era And 2ndly they won 4 trophies online xD
2021-12-26 22:49
7 replies
"1st of all by your logic astralis, sk wouldn't had an era" ????? Astralis did most of their work on LAN wtf
2021-12-27 00:24
2 replies
#374
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Russia ToughGuy
2021-12-27 06:19
1 reply
I see your point
2021-12-27 17:07
#283
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North America BoDaddy
What the fk are you talking about? Astralis dominated counter strike for 3 fking years. Absolute m*rons these Navi fans are. So plastic, so st*pid
2021-12-27 02:35
1 reply
#371
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Russia ToughGuy
This guy saying that navi didnt dominate whole year when in fact they werent in final only of 2 events, and astralis didnt really dominate whole year they only started winning since may and there were teams that were winning tier1 events too when navi won every tier1 event they attend since july Same with sk they wasnt dominated team they just won more trophies in 2 yeras than any other team
2021-12-27 06:16
#340
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Brazil Ties4
Astralis and SK both dominated the LAN scene and are the two teams with most time in #1 of hltv of all time.
2021-12-27 05:12
1 reply
#373
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Russia ToughGuy
WHY U COMPARING 9 MONTH ROSTER TO 2 YEARS ROSTERS NaVi in 9 month are more dominant that astralis and SK ofc they might not surpass them but they already more dominant in the beginning than both of them
2021-12-27 06:18
If you're gonna speak on a topic atleast doublecheck your information lmao
2021-12-26 23:06
1 reply
#127
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
What information did he get wrong. you might disagree with his point and that's fair, but he didnt get any info wrong
2021-12-26 23:19
#72
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Russia mshkoda
begining of era
2021-12-26 22:25
1 reply
#225
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Brazil assisz
+1
2021-12-27 00:44
No.
2021-12-26 22:26
dominating by time according to tiers
2021-12-26 22:27
Xizt era 2022
2021-12-26 22:32
navi shit era
2021-12-26 22:33
#81
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United States Teztyment
Yes they do. It's very s1mple to understand. stop making these dumb posts please. thanks
2021-12-26 22:34
this is getting tiring lol, of course they have an era.
2021-12-26 22:35
#85
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United States Teztyment
And anyone close to the Navi era is NiP back when they went like 122 games in a row without losing a single match back when CSGO first came out. Anyone else saying anything different is clueless about cs
2021-12-26 22:37
11 replies
Except during that time everyone else besides nip were semi pros that weren’t fully committed to csgo, had no org, had little pay, not a proper team and reshuffled every other month. The competition today is so high that without prep Navi could easily lose to other tier 1 teams, or even tier 2 teams especially online. No tournaments or maps were free and they had to fight for every round even against force buys. The “nip era” is more like a 3rd grader beating up a bunch of kindergarteners. nothing impressive about it at all
2021-12-26 22:48
2 replies
#104
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United States Teztyment
im going to go ahead and assume you didn't watch any matches if your going to say that there was no competition lMFAO teams literally tried everything they possibly could to beat NiP on 1 single map. get out of here
2021-12-26 22:57
''nothing impressive about it at all'' You didnt watch back then, got it.
2021-12-26 23:07
#129
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Astralis???
2021-12-26 23:19
7 replies
#136
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United States Teztyment
Astralis is literally shit compared to NiP and Navi please stop.
2021-12-26 23:22
6 replies
#140
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
Lol, best team to ever play CS. NIP had a good streak but it was when most of the good teams and players were in 1.6 and CSS,and NaVi (if you consider them having an era) is the worse Era team
2021-12-26 23:25
someone please ban this user
2021-12-27 00:40
3 replies
#231
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United States Teztyment
haha the truth hurts
2021-12-27 00:52
2 replies
There is difference in having an opinion and proclaiming the truth, friend. Astralis era is generally considered to be the most dominant, that's an opinion, just like post #136.
2021-12-27 01:11
Imagine calling the team shit who's been major champions for almost 4 years until this day
2021-12-27 01:17
Astralis literally invented the game.
2021-12-27 03:00
luminosity never had an era, they got lucky a few times, they just happened to get lucky at majors
2021-12-26 22:40
Ofc NaVi has an era. Only 2 teams managed to win both Major and Grand Slam. Only one team managed to win major playing vs all hltv tops and with 0 maps dropped. Very few teams could be so consistent to finish 2 times second and 7 times 1st in 10 events withing 8 months. NaVi era is already confirmed, now it's only a question of how long it can last.
2021-12-26 22:56
3 replies
#98
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Poland seinterc
flag + flair
2021-12-26 22:53
#132
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Portugal W!LDF1RE
That doesnt make it an era on his criteria and thats fair. THey didnt dominate throughout most of the year (half at most) and the grand slam was half won without dominance. In my books they'll have an era if by march they still are dominant. If not they had a good period like Liquid
2021-12-26 23:21
Astralis had an era Navi dont Pls dont cry
2021-12-28 18:59
#101
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Canada firtlast
sk never had an era whaaaaat
2021-12-26 22:54
3 replies
#341
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Brazil Ties4
#335 Are you really trying to argue against literal facts?
2021-12-27 05:13
2 replies
#419
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Canada firtlast
i like the reply to your highlighted comment - are YOU going to argue this point against actual facts? I hope you’re trolling. For your sake, I really do.
2021-12-27 10:07
1 reply
#454
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Brazil Ties4
Obvious bait. NT
2021-12-27 14:05
Good read. It will be very interesting what happens after the player break. We will see a lot of boosted (and of course some weakened) T1(T2) teams. So for me IF NaVi continue their ride, it will be even more impressive. There is that big IF tho, let's keep an eye on undergoing roster mania...
2021-12-26 22:54
I agree with most of the comms, sk never had an era
2021-12-26 22:57
1 reply
#344
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Brazil Ties4
Most? Are you sure? I just saw 4~5 comments spreading that bullshit. Also if you believe this you are trying to argue against facts. 2 majors, more than 10 lan winnings and the second longest team in #1 of hltv. LG/SK were more dominating than nip or fnatic.
2021-12-27 05:16
#105
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Netherlands SpiceNut
Interesting read, really like the different angles, thanks!
2021-12-26 22:57
#106
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United States Teztyment
SK had an era? I must have been asleep. Your trying to say SK had an era and your asking if were in a Na'Vi era? Let me get this straight...
2021-12-26 22:59
15 replies
#138
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Brazil Nicolito
10+ Tournaments, 2 Majors, lots of months in top 1, best player in the world 2 years in row, 3 players in top 6 is not an era but, 10+ Tournaments, 1 Major, lots of months in top 1, best player 1 year, 2 players in top 10 are? what? hahahahahah if SK/LG didn't have an era, only Astralis did and no other team, maybe fnatic. The period was totally dominant for Brazilian Core, but you apparently only joined HLTV a few months ago i can see in your profile, newbie. You didn't even watch CS back then, kid. Stop commenting on things you don't know, all you saw was NaVi because you're new to the game, and you must be thinking it was the best team ever because you don't accept that it's a layman in this matter. If you haven't seen it, at least go research and watch the games from the past.
2021-12-26 23:27
13 replies
#155
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United States Teztyment
no actually I been playing since 2001 and live in NA and don't bother posting on HLTV because we have our own forums on ESEA and gotfrag. Only reason I made an HLTV account this year was to post forum topics and reply that's it. get owned
2021-12-26 23:44
7 replies
#165
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Brazil Nicolito
"i play since 2001 but created my hltv in 2021, get owned" source: plz trust me bro LMFAO, you got owned. Compare my argument to yours, you got so rekted that you didnt even reply my central argument of LG/SK titles and achievements and ran away with a "i play since 2001 get owned", ty for confirming im right.
2021-12-26 23:54
5 replies
#185
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United States Teztyment
your making br look even more terrible bro your one of the reasons why people hate you guys so much. your probably 16-17 years old and 110 pounds soaking wet. show some respect on the internet homie cuz in real life you would get yourself hurt talkin like that big brah
2021-12-27 00:08
4 replies
#192
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Brazil Nicolito
See, once again you are running away from my argument and telling people hate Brazil, talking about age, pound, etc. don't you realize you've already admitted the fact that LG/SK had an era? You are despicable trying to invalidate my argument and used personal offense. Try to show respect, anyone reading our dialogue will realize that you are a hypocrite and that your own comment only served to yourself. i never mentioned your country, age, weight, skin color or any other personal characteristic. Find out about ad hominem. Your comments avoiding my central point about LG/SK have already proven that you can't dispute the fact I showed you, and I'm grateful that you leave out here that I beat you in the arguments, since #138 you just ran away and tried to offend me. Thank you.
2021-12-27 00:17
3 replies
#202
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United States Teztyment
SK sucks bro. shut up. thanks
2021-12-27 00:27
2 replies
#206
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Brazil Nicolito
and to finish with a golden key, an offense to the team instead of refuting its achievements. Could not be better! Now everyone who reads the comments will be convinced thanks to your help, again, thanks! hahahahah
2021-12-27 00:30
#345
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Brazil Ties4
2021-12-27 05:16
Sure
2021-12-27 03:01
#218
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United Kingdom legji
3 months and 13 days of tournament wins with an 8-month gap before winning another Grand finals isn't an era xD If 3 months is an era then liquid, Gambit and FaZe had eras xD
2021-12-27 00:49
4 replies
#258
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Brazil Nicolito
Liquid won 2 major? at least 1? Gambit was top 1 for 13/20 months? FaZe won a even a single major? Any of them had best player of the world 2 times in a row? or top 1 and top 2? any of them had 3 players in top 6? any of them innovated the META/gamestyle? LG/SK did all of that together, which these 3 teams could not achieve 25% of that combined. If you watch CS since then, you know that's true, if you don't know just go search you'll see. Btw, did you even read? hltv.org/news/33022/what-is-an-era-and-d..
2021-12-27 01:33
3 replies
#268
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United Kingdom legji
1. SK/LG were never top one for 13/20 months, you're delusional go check the statistics. 2. Their major flukes were within 3 months of each other also not comparable to Astralis or Fnatic 3. Every team changes the meta and gamestyle, hell Flusha changed it more than LG/SK ever did. They won 3 tournaments in 2016 in a 3 month period (Liquid won 5 something LG/SKs never done and a grand slam in the same time period) and won nothing outside of that. That isn't an era that's a run. They won nothing before and had an 8-month gap before they won another tournament (Gambit won tournaments from the start to the end of the year contiounsly, something LG/SK never did, something FaZe did that LG/SK never done). Hell even NiP and Fnatic won 3 events they also got 2016s eras xD. In 2017 they won 4 real top tournaments (IEM Sydney doesn't count 5 garbage teams 2 top 10 teams) and no majors. How is that "Dominance" xD 7 tournaments across two years which both 3 tournaments were won in 3 month periods really doesn't count as an era just two runs. And HLTV top 20s mean nothing. They're subjective at best (Thorin's list has been different for example and have given those who didn't deserve top 3 spots it before (Happy top 8 2015 GeT_RiGhT 2014 top 1 comes to mind)
2021-12-27 02:01
2 replies
#272
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Brazil Nicolito
1. Ok, it was not 13 months, it was 12 months in those 2 years. Go check the statistics, so basically i'm right in this point. 2. I never said LG/SK era was bigger than Astralis (the biggest one) or Fnatic (Dominant too), i just stated they had a era, HLTV itself agree. 3. No, not every team changes the meta or playstyle, the huge majority are copycats, only dominant teams does that. Yes flusha and Fnatic also did it, how does it change the fact LG/SK did it? Back to back majors in 2016, a thing only Astralis (Greatest team of all time in CSGO) did too, plus 2 other LAN titles. In 2017, lots of achievements, 7/8 Tier 1 thophies and breaking a record for most time in top 1 team at the time (only beaten by Astralis even nowadays). Also had 2 times in a row the best player in the world, had top 2 player, top 3 player, and top 6 player, having 3 players in top 6, the only one team to ever achieve that. And no, your subjective opinion is not more relevant than HLTV's stats and formula for top 20's, sorry to disappoint you. please, read, instead of just commenting bs hltv.org/news/33022/what-is-an-era-and-d.. its a good read i guarantee, it was made by people who actually understands CSGO instead of you.
2021-12-27 02:20
1 reply
#295
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United Kingdom legji
1. It wasn't you're delusional get your eyes checked they never were top 1 on HLTV rankings for more than 5 months in 2016 then had top 1 for 7 months at the end of 2017 with a 6-month gap between being top 1. 2. Never said that either (When its obvious Astralis actually had an Era (Dominating an entire year something LG/SK never did)) 3. It's not the result of saying it's an era. Ex6TenZ/TaZ/Gob B changed the meta more than LG/SK it means nothing in the terms of an era. Fnatic changed nothing of the meta during their era flusha changed the meta during the time fnatic wasnt in an era. 4. Only 3 S tier tournaments in 2016 actually, You're wrong. 2017 Only 3 real S tier tournaments you're delusional. 5. Time as top one, no they didn't they had a 5-month streak then Astralis had it then SK got it then Astralis took it back. That's with NiP, VeryGames and Fnatic not being included which makes it a garbage stat to have until 2019. The 15 months is Astralis streak. The only team to get over 10 months continuously as the top 1 team. Have a look. VP stopped their streak in 2016 then Astralis took over at the end of 2016 till halfway through 2017. ERA LUL xD hltv.org/ranking/teams/2019/december/30 6. NiP achieved those rankings in 2013 GTR and f0rest top 2 and xizt top 6. You're delusional. 7. It's a random article writer (A name I've never even noticed before he joined in 2021) who also doesn't understand CS like YOU. An era is consistent domination of the game with winning every tournament. 3 tournaments in one year does not come close at all. They were the best in 2016 and in 2017 but it wasn't an era. It's ridiculous to consider an 8-month gap between event wins to be an era. Complete stupidity. Fnatic, Astralis and NiP won a ton more tournaments in half the time that's given to LG/SK. . Want to see what an Era look like here, more tournaments won without stopping in one time period than SK/LGs total S rank W's: i.imgur.com/QX0CvZw.png i.imgur.com/K3COHKD.png (There's no period of 8 months separating those Ws) Whats a run and not an era: i.imgur.com/m4ASuFF.png (Literally more than what SK done in 2017 and more than LG in 2016) i.imgur.com/HcrOQzH.png i.imgur.com/9YHzZMS.png
2021-12-27 03:00
#342
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Brazil Ties4
2 majors, tons of LAN winnings and the second longest team in #1 of hltv. Will you try to argue against facts, dude?
2021-12-27 05:14
If Astralis wins next tourny Hltv will be like : Astralis era continues . There r no tournaments till feb 2022 so it will already be 9 months of navi winning every event they attended , it thats not an era , i dont knw what is....
2021-12-26 22:59
#108
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United States Teztyment
so what else does Na'Vi have to do to be considered an "era" to you HLTV?
2021-12-26 23:00
They don't have an era -- everyone else is in shambles and shit
2021-12-26 23:03
13 replies
Thats simply untrue. There were many good teams, and we still have G2, Gambit and Vitality able to compete at the highest level, with an NiP that's capable of upsets. The only reason teams are in shambles is because they are trying to rebuild a roster to beat Na'Vi. Such a dumb argument. Judging by your logic, Astralis never had an era since there was 0 competition? No Vitality, no Gambit, an inconsistent and struggling G2, no good FaZe roster, mouz roster destroyed, MiBR with a worthless roster, an inconsistent Fnatic etc.
2021-12-26 23:19
12 replies
While not all other teams are in shambles, I would argue that Na'Vi is the only team that doesn't have a glaring flaw, making it technically easier to get their era (which I don't think they have yet, but will if they can keep this going to some extent until the next Major). G2 doesn't have an AWP-er. Gambit significantly lacks experience. Vitality has Kyojin. NIP sucks, whatever is happening there (with the exception of their RMR run). Heroic doesn't have a star. VP has jame. Liquid is Liquid. Astralis is dead. Faze has washed-up olofmeister. The top teams just aren't on Na'Vi's level at the moment in terms of personel. Which is why when they are after the roster shuffles and if Na'Vi can still keep it going, I'll be damn impressed and they can have an era. But it'll be difficult.
2021-12-27 00:03
11 replies
+1 If Na'Vi keeps it up after all the hinted roster changes then, yes, Na'Vi has an era. But right now, it's not very convincing. All the tournament wins don't have the same weight as Astralis or Liquid's era.
2021-12-27 01:04
"G2 doesn't have an AWP-er" - still makes deep runs and grind final of the major. They have an okay AWPer in AmaNEk and the best rifler in the world by far with NiKo. The only teams they can't seem to beat are Na'Vi and Gambit. "Gambit significantly lacks experience" - still makes deep runs and won multiple events, even if they're online. Still poses a HUGE threat to anyone and is more than capable of beating any team, including Na'Vi. "Vitality has Kyojin" - they still have zywoo and misutaaa, still making good runs occasionally. Upset potential simply because of god zywoo and misutaaa. They also had RpK for most of the time, who was an incredible player so that's kind of a weird thing to say. "Heroic doesn't have a star" - still won events and was world number 1 for a time "VP has jame" - VP is trash so i won't argue, it's a horrible team imo, just difficult to play against since they're so erratic. "Liquid is Liquid" - agreed "Astralis is dead" - not recently, they've looked decent, even at the major all things considered "Faze has washed-up olofmeister" - agreed. Horrible team Real question, why are you ignoring what I said? There wasn't a single good team during Astralis' era, not one. You had s1mple and zywoo (for 2019 at least). Astralis' only competition was 2 players. Not a single team top tier, it's not even debatable. Please don't assume i'm saying Astralis didn't have an era, I'm merely playing devil's advocate in response to the original commenter's lack of brainpower.
2021-12-27 01:39
9 replies
It's not because a team can make a deep run, that it doesn't have a glaring flaw. If all the teams have flaws, someone will still win. Na'Vi doesn't have such a flaw and thus are able to win more. 2020 was not a Na'Vi era btw, so mentioning RpK and anything that happened there can be safely ignored. Heroic doesn't have the same line-up since then. Astralis really is dead. They had one good tournament where Konfig went god-mode and the crowd cheated for them. I didn't mention that part of the Astralis era had bad teams, because I agree with you. Didn't feel like mentioning it. However, I still think Na'Vi needs a bit more time as the best to give them an era. I feel like only now teams are actually trying to make moves to beat them, while during the Astralis era, there were still teams trying. I'm not saying Na'Vi doesn't deserve to be the strongest, but I'm just not convinced they have an era YET.
2021-12-27 11:57
8 replies
Thank you for proving you're a moron. "2020 was not a Na'Vi era btw, so mentioning RpK and anything that happened there can be safely ignored" - RpK was still in Vitality for 4 months of 2021. "Heroic doesn't have the same line-up since then" - Heroic has the same lineup that they were dominant online for a period. "I didn't mention that part of the Astralis era had bad teams" - there wasn't a single good team during the Astralis era, not 1. You're also ignoring my main point, either that, or you can't read. All I said was that people are dumb to say Na'Vi are only good because other teams are bad, then champion Astralis when they never had a great team to play against
2021-12-28 03:23
7 replies
I'll first address your main point then. I agree. Na'Vi is good simply because they are good, regardless of their opposition. But I still wouldn't give them an era because it just hasn't been that long. But that's my personal opinion. Yes, RpK was still in Vitality for 4 months. The first months of 2021 were also the period where Vitality were getting their worst results and pretty much weren't in the picture to consider them challenging anyone. My main point with that one is that you can't consider anything before Cologne 2021 to be a Na'Vi-led time period and thus if they get an era, it starts there. Heroic hasn't been #1 since they've changed players. They had a good run just before Cologne where they were considered second after Gambit together with Na'Vi. You mentioned #1, which they haven't been since November 2020 with the old lineup. Yes. But the reason Astralis got their era is because of the sheer length they dominated for. If Na'Vi get back-to-back Majors, give them their era, but they just aren't at that point YET. But they don't need to do even that much in my books to get their era. I'll ask you: do you consider Na'Vi to already have an era? Because I'm with you that you don't need the best teams in the world to have an era, but I'm not sure whether you are trying to imply that they should have an era or not.
2021-12-28 12:41
6 replies
No I never said Na'Vi had an era, but you can keep failing to read, I don't mind.
2021-12-28 18:47
5 replies
The original poster said that Na'Vi don't have an era because the teams aren't good enough at the moment. You responded that was untrue, that there are many good teams. Then compared the Astralis-era saying they didn't have good teams. To me this seems like you were arguing that Na'Vi do have an era, but that wasn't super clear, which is why I asked it again. Then I picked the part where you said there are many good teams, because I don't agree with that. Then gave my counter-points. I never mentioned the Astralis-era, because you were right that they didn't have much opposition either. You consider me a moron for not knowing what you mean, while you put so much focus on everything outside of your main point and the main point of this discussion. I can read fine. I was simply refuting certain parts of your claims.
2021-12-28 19:54
4 replies
I consider you a moron for being unable to read, that's all
2021-12-28 23:37
3 replies
And I disagree. You should've been more clear about what you thought was important. All I did was respond to the things you said.
2021-12-29 23:30
2 replies
It doesn't get more clear than "Astralis had literally 0 competition but Na'Vi actually has real teams to play against". I'm sorry, must be hard being that dumb
2021-12-29 23:38
1 reply
And I refuted the part that Na'Vi's opposition is strong with my personal opinion. So I do know how to read, but we simply disagree on something. Though rather than admitting that you disagree you go to "You didn't read what I said". There's no need to start calling people morons just because they view a situation differently. But I guess I'll just list the teams Astralis had to face and make a comparison. Faze in 2018 is similar to G2 now. Very strong, but lacking. Na'Vi in 2018 is similar to Vitality now. One of the best players in the world with relatively weak back-up. Liquid is in there as well. They even got 4 months where they were the absolute best. And then Astralis came back and set their era in stone at the end of 2019. And then you had some upset teams come and go like Fnatic, ENCE, MIBR, EG. I'd say the opposition is even quite similar. Just don't act like I didn't read what you said, because you just don't like my response.
2021-12-30 01:46
#116
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Brazil ztxizhan
win more than 1 major consecutively or over the span of 3-4 years. Thats an era.
2021-12-26 23:08
#117
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Finland H0rnPub
Navi just having good times beating dead and dysfunctional teams, Not both astralis or liquid had this weak opposition.
2021-12-26 23:08
6 replies
#123
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United States Virgin Islands breasts
liquid lol
2021-12-26 23:14
Navi is the reason why every team is changing.
2021-12-26 23:53
3 replies
That makes them the strongest, but doesn't mean they have an era. If they are still the strongest after all the changes, they definitely have an era.
2021-12-27 00:04
A lot of thoses teams cant even get past GAMBIT, its not that NA'VI is standing on their way. The only team that you can say is changing because of NAVI is MAYBE Vitality. Astralis is bad anyway, G2 isnt better than gambit, FAZE isnt better than gambit, LIQUID is a big disappointment... So I think a lot of thoses teams that are changing would be changing anyway, despite of navi.
2021-12-27 00:31
What teams are changing because of Navi?
2021-12-27 03:03
Tell me a strong team against Astralis in their era?
2021-12-27 05:53
Gambit started the year winning everything. No. Its not an era.
2021-12-26 23:25
2 replies
3 events? Astralis did not win everything in 2018 either NaVi won 7 including a major and IGL
2021-12-27 00:02
1 reply
Its Not an era.
2021-12-27 13:04
meaningless answer
2021-12-26 23:28
1 reply
Otherwise they are bias :0
2021-12-26 23:41
vp era in my hearthstone
2021-12-26 23:52
#179
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Latvia Tibro
see 2022
2021-12-27 00:03
#182
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Brazil hugoooo
The haters being forced to swallow that SK/LG had an era hahahahahaha
2021-12-27 00:04
2 replies
#189
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United States Teztyment
I must have been asleep if you think SK/LG had an "era" lMFAAAAAo.
2021-12-27 00:11
It's not being forced because it's not factual, it's perceived differently to everybody. Everybody reading this this article is assuming it's labelling confirmation when in actuality it isn't, it's a take on "eras" as a whole.
2021-12-27 01:08
This Twitter account doesn't exist
2021-12-27 00:05
If you talk about it all the f**king time and create articles about it, this is NAVI ERA little stupid dwarfs axaxaxaxaxaxa
2021-12-27 00:10
3 replies
Dwarfs hahaha
2021-12-27 00:58
Liquid era?
2021-12-27 03:10
1 reply
no major :( but they were extremely great in 2019 Unfortunately, Astralis ate them
2021-12-27 18:00
boring "era"
2021-12-27 00:16
1 reply
One team's hegemony over the others is not the most interesting Every era is boring, especially for fans of smothered teams
2021-12-27 00:28
answer : NO without s1mple they are back to tier2 imagine calling an team era when you lose to washedllen/stewie10am
2021-12-27 00:31
#208
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United Kingdom legji
Luminosity/SK having an ERA is a joke xD 3 months of good tournaments =/= era
2021-12-27 00:31
2 replies
#346
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Brazil Ties4
2 majors More than 10 lan winnings Second longest team in #1 of hltv Are you kidding?
2021-12-27 05:18
1 reply
#499
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United Kingdom legji
3 Lans in 2016 in 3 months(Only months they won a tournament with nothing before or after for 2016) with a 10 MONTH gap (Literally almost a full year) before winning another S-tier event (which only had 1 other good team) then a run of 3 tournaments including that garbage S-Tier tournament IEM Sydney (In another 3 month run). That ain't an era if you have almost a FULL YEAR in between it without any event wins. Just two runs and nothing else.
2021-12-27 21:17
No team can have better era than Astralis had
2021-12-27 00:31
1 reply
^this
2021-12-27 00:43
Is there a “confirmed” next Major yet?
2021-12-27 00:44
Some random guys opinion if NaVi have an era. Ill conclude that myself thanks
2021-12-27 00:48
#233
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Sweden Akoulad
short answer: never long answer: never ever
2021-12-27 00:57
In all honesty, it's a great article to read but ultimately eras are determined by each individual opinion based upon merits. LG/SK era is still contested to this day and the only thing letting the Na'Vi era is "length of dominance", meaning that it's too soon to call yet but let's enjoy this dominance while we can. Generally agreed upon is NiP, fnatic and Astralis eras that practically agreed upon.
2021-12-27 01:06
#241
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Spain nabyou97
they do
2021-12-27 01:09
Thanks for the cool read.
2021-12-27 01:20
my favorite era was the LG/SK era for how much they progressed how counter-strike is played, astralis and glaive took what SK demonstrated and turned it up a few notches higher. fnatic was amazing too, but i dont think thats a thing that could or can be replicated or explained/taught
2021-12-27 01:28
Cool read, it is a lot of fun seeing how every dominating team somehow advanced the meta, with each next dominating team picking it up and developing further. I wonder if we will ever get to a point where nothing else can be "discovered" or "improved", although I also enjoy watching pro starcraft brood wars (game released in 1998 and has official tournaments in South Korea to this day) and surprinsingly they are still inventing and finding new strategies to this day. Maybe this could mean we also still have many more years of CS Pro fun development to look forward to as well.
2021-12-27 01:42
Didnt read no they dont
2021-12-27 01:51
Thanks for writing this <3
2021-12-27 02:18
ofc nope
2021-12-27 02:20
Not yet, but if they continue with such results as in 2021 then they will for sure. For me personally there were 3 eras, nip fnatic and astralis
2021-12-27 02:21
we're already in na'vi era wtf who wrote this pointless bs? oh wait king_dempz expected from him
2021-12-27 02:34
3 replies
#284
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Germany So_Dumm
Did you even read this post dumbo?
2021-12-27 02:40
1 reply
yes, I did
2021-12-27 02:50
Astralis had an era Navi dont Pls dont cry
2021-12-28 18:59
I'm sorry, but wtf is that article. Useless, clueless and offending.
2021-12-27 02:54
Naavi
2021-12-27 03:07
who cares lmfao, why does this even matter?
2021-12-27 03:14
#307
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Bulgaria KalzzGG
era is 2 majors in a row
2021-12-27 03:23
Ezzz for navi era and goat s1mple
2021-12-27 04:11
3 replies
Astralis had an era Navi dont Pls dont cry
2021-12-28 18:59
2 replies
It's my opinion
2021-12-29 04:59
1 reply
Read the article it clearly defines and era - Therefore Navi no era don’t matter what u think it’s facts
2021-12-30 23:47
#317
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New Zealand SWARN151
What an article! Absolutely agreed with everything! :)
2021-12-27 04:31
good read, gj guys
2021-12-27 04:42
cool, but sk/lg never had an era Fnatic/NIP/Astralis won much more than sk/lg
2021-12-27 04:50
3 replies
#347
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Brazil Ties4
2 majors More than 10 lan winnings Second longest team in #1 hltv Are you kidding?
2021-12-27 05:19
2 replies
team ranking was only introduced on HLTV at the end of 2015, so its unfair to Fnatic and NiP :) and NIP/Fnatic won 2x more lan events than SK/LG sk/lg was not an era, just a good team
2021-12-27 06:29
1 reply
#388
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Brazil Ties4
Yep hltv experts are wrong and thelegendofzeldabra is right
2021-12-27 07:21
#323
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India arc_
HLTV just shutdown s1mple and all the people who were saying Navi era has begun lol
2021-12-27 04:49
3 replies
#375
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New Zealand SWARN151
HLTV themselves said in this article, that this is the marking of the beginning of an era. Did you read the article? They highlighted 6 criteria for all era-defining teams, and Navi have fulfilled 4 of those. The only parts left are longevity and and a non-quantifiable aspect of reinventing the meta, which are also arguably the most difficult things. The dominance part, the indomitable streak part, the transcendental best players part, the aura part are all ticked. It is not an era yet, but it's not yet over. And all the pros (including s1mple) said that yes we have started into the era, but there's a long way to go.
2021-12-27 06:24
2 replies
+1
2021-12-27 06:26
#411
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India arc_
I just read the TLDR and my comment was based on just that
2021-12-27 09:25
What if a team In the likes of nip or faze win next year's major? But Navi still continue to dominate on most of the tournaments and stays at the No.1 spot. What would that mean? The end of the NaVi era if they got one or would it be overlooked like fnatic and VP claiming the first and second majors respectively from the better team that was NIP.
2021-12-27 05:29
Unless Na'Vi create/develop something new in csgo meta, they don't deserve any era.
2021-12-27 05:31
1 reply
#461
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Iceland suriel666
0/8 btw they have: the slow rounds meta, which all CIS teams have adopted and created "2021 - the CIS year"
2021-12-27 14:51
#357
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Hungary szia
i am a navi hater, but their last few months results have been extremely impressive. they are dominant and there is really no one who can consistently go toe to toe with them. but i do think this isnt enough time to really say that they have an era.
2021-12-27 05:45
s1mple is an era
2021-12-27 05:52
#368
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Indonesia lukerey
It's all about perspective mens. For me they're not have an era just yet. But still this is a year to remember for all CSGO fans. Just like any other team who dominate all these past years. I like them to win another major even if they struggle on any other LAN. Which I doubt. Because any other big teams probably need time to be great with their new players. Like vitality, astralis, G2, etc. So in theory, Navi should be able to secure every LAN from first 6 months next year. At least, that I am expecting from them.
2021-12-27 06:11
#377
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Finland KieZuZ
Something that is 100% speculative can only be speculated. A good text by author. Its hard to say that its navi era already because they are not that dominant as astralis was.
2021-12-27 06:27
I was kinda fan of Fallen, Fer, Taco core but i never counted them as era. 2 majors in one year with almost none lan wins to back it up and in another large portion of lan wins but without majors to back it up. Its not enough in terms of dominance to call it an era. Navi are in similiar position right now, they still need to keep winning.
2021-12-27 06:38
dead teams/rebuilding era xaxaxaxaxaxaxax
2021-12-27 07:02
This is an absurd article title for a site that supposedly is for csgo news and journalism lol
2021-12-27 07:07
1 reply
+1
2021-12-27 09:02
#392
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Poland perun2033
NaVi won major and after that Vitality won IEM, so NaVi era has finished.
2021-12-27 07:40
1 reply
0/8 bait LUL
2021-12-27 10:02
If navi has an era then liquid had an era.
2021-12-27 07:41
1 reply
Ofc not, Liquid got destroyed by Astralis in 2019 and never won a major or two large LANs like Katowice and Cologne. Liquid were just lucky that Astralis took many breaks in 2019
2021-12-27 08:00
NIP/Fnatic/VP/Astralis these teams have an Era Navi is yet to be seen
2021-12-27 08:07
Needed something to click on
2021-12-27 08:42
LOL All the teams with an "era" did not even win 50% of the tournaments they took part. How this can be era? Hallo! They lost more than 50 tournaments! NaVi won everything in the last 6 months. SK/Luminosity - maximum 18 weeks at TOP1, this not an era. The same for other "contenders". NaVi will have at least 30 weeks in a row on TOP 1 position. Only Astralis and NaVi had eras.
2021-12-27 08:49
1 reply
#500
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United Kingdom legji
Dude Fnatic had an era don't be stupid.
2021-12-27 21:23
Now all the navi haters come out of the woodwork because of this article.
2021-12-27 08:55
Pointless discussion.
2021-12-27 08:56
#405
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Russia Drain3r
Astralis era > fnatic era > brazil era > Navi era > Liquid era Navi close to beat brazil era edit: maybe brazil era = Navi era rn
2021-12-27 09:05
Ez for S1mple.
2021-12-27 09:17
Age of ultron was a couple of days. If age is a couple of days than its navi era
2021-12-27 09:48
1 reply
+1 flawless logic can't argue with this
2021-12-27 17:17
If you look at the teams who could possibly challenge NaVi with their current roster, all of those teams have had numerous roster changes in the last 12 months. NaVi has remained rock solid with only swapping out flamie for b1t. Everyone has had their chance to try and beat NaVi consistently, but at the moment there are no teams that have succeeded.
2021-12-27 10:05
TLDR: We are now in CarlosR's era, he will buy the whole Navi roster, then label it G2, very ez
2021-12-27 10:06
#421
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Hungary saxxo
In my opinion, if the same team is the ultimate favorit every big event on what they attend 4-5 times in a row, we can call it their era. So I think we are clearly in the Navi era.
2021-12-27 10:14
#422
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Germany Naviever
Its funny that other team fans commenting that its not era Of course this is ERA bitches
2021-12-27 10:36
2 replies
Astralis had an era Navi dont Pls dont cry
2021-12-28 19:00
1 reply
#531
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Germany Naviever
I still cry :))
2021-12-28 22:41
#423
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Mongolia k0ng0
I would say that a period of time where you are undoubtedly the best att something, and where none can best you during that period of time, can be called an Era. Like in Tennis during 2000-2022 you first had an Era for Federer, then Nadal and now Djokovic. In CSGO i would say we've had (so far): -NiP Era -Fnatic Era -French Era (LDLC/TITAN) -Astralis Era -Liquid Miracle run -Na'Vi era
2021-12-27 10:41
4 replies
Liquid did not have an era. No major, no era.
2021-12-27 13:58
3 replies
#501
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United Kingdom legji
He called it a run not an era but he should LG/SKs runs as well. Gods know neither of them were eras.
2021-12-27 21:23
2 replies
#543
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Mongolia k0ng0
Shit, i forgot Luminosity/sk haha
2021-12-30 07:32
1 reply
#545
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United Kingdom legji
Everyone does besides BR and only remember because they never shut up about it with their delusions that it was an era 2016-2017 with an 8-month gap between tournament titles. Because that makes sense.
2021-12-30 15:13
Adrian "Era" Kryeziu is a Swedish professional Dota 2 player who last played for Chicken Fighters. AFAIK, Navi does not have one
2021-12-27 11:22
#436
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Sweden multib
You win a couple of tournament during ONE year = ERA? NO!! If they completly dominte next year as well we maybe we can talk beginning of era ... right now it's just a good year
2021-12-27 12:54
3 replies
#460
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Iceland suriel666
lol not even Astralis "completely dominated" a whole year, they still lost tourneys and matches
2021-12-27 14:47
2 replies
#467
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Sweden multib
Of course you can lose matches and still dominate the scence. If you win 50-75% of the all the tournaments during a year I would still say that is pretty dominating
2021-12-27 16:30
1 reply
#512
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Iceland suriel666
just wait until NaVi "loses" their first tournament in 2022 .. people will go apeshit and call "era stopped!" "never had an era!!!"
2021-12-28 09:07
do NAVI have one? -no saved u some time
2021-12-27 13:35
1 reply
change name
2021-12-27 14:26
#BornToWin
2021-12-27 13:42
Liquid never had an era
2021-12-27 13:57
I hate russians.Ukrainean and Russian Teams Both Same
2021-12-27 14:09
#459
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Iceland suriel666
" This may be the one aspect where Natus Vincere obviously fall short; they haven't really pushed the CS:GO meta forwards in any particular way, they simply play the game far better than anyone else at this moment. " What? They basically defined the "slow play" meta, which all the other CIS teams adopted and found success with in 2021, starting from late 2020. All CIS teams play slow and until the end of the round, then explode, which they copied from NAVI. So not only tactically, but they also "pushed the CS:GO meta" in terms of skills and raw firepower. Saying the brazillians "defined meta" when they just had map control or Astralis use of grenades was meta changing, but NAVI isn't? Could also say the same about Astralis: "This may be the one aspect where Astralis obviously fall short; they haven't really pushed the CS:GO grenade meta forwards in any particular way, they simply play the grenade game far better than anyone else at this moment. " Firepower and skill is just a part of CSGO as are strategies, map control or utility. NAVI changed the meta with slow played rounds AND firepower with perfect teamplay, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to win the Major flawlessly, without dropping a single map, which btw, NONE of the mentioned teams have managed. p.s.: Also, Liquid is basically THE definition of a fluke .. be good for a short period of time and snatch some tourney wins to win IGS and then be irrelevant again.
2021-12-27 14:46
The only team that had an era really was Astralis, right? I mean winning three majors in a row, coupled with an IGS, then a metric fuck ton of tier ones. That's like the only legit era we have had in CS.
2021-12-27 16:55
2 replies
not to mention holding on to the #1 spot for 13 consecutive months, a feat accomplished by no other team since the current HLTV ranking system was introduced. current NaVi has only been #1 since July of this year so we shall see and Astralis went 18-0 in playoffs across their 3 consecutive major wins & dropping something like 41 rounds across the 3 major finals. Just unbelievable dominance.
2021-12-27 17:15
1 reply
+111 my thoughts exactly
2021-12-27 18:10
#475
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Norway AleXeiCS
the title looked like hltv bait thread ngl, had me in the first half.
2021-12-27 17:15
#477
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Switzerland Sylleo
small era so far, but it's the beginning of one (c9 era best era)
2021-12-27 17:42
era no penal
2021-12-27 18:06
Not yet era
2021-12-27 18:11
Good read!
2021-12-27 18:24
1 reply
Glad you enjoyed it <3
2021-12-27 19:14
#487
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Georgia jvkhdz
TLDR: yes
2021-12-27 18:37
Aint gonna let self proclaimed experts decide for me. In reality, no teams have ever had an era, as an era is a fuckton longer than a few years.
2021-12-27 20:34
i am the nobbly rifler and i APPROVE this message
2021-12-27 21:07
#502
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Poland SebL
I think we can already say that we're in the Na'Vi era, very early stages but still they're just dominating the scene, I think we're in for a great time for Na'Vi, they really don't seem to have a weak point, and I absolutely love it.
2021-12-27 21:44
NAV1 are the best .l.
2021-12-28 06:00
Short answer yes and no as a Navi fan they need to dominate 2022 and win the next major so the era is official for me at least .
2021-12-28 10:53
thats not an era.. navi is just lucky
2021-12-28 16:09
Personally I would say you don't get deemed as "having an era" until after its over.
2021-12-30 07:39
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