PGL addresses criticism with Americas RMR format change

The tournament organizers have partly addressed calls to change how teams advancing to PGL Major Antwerp are decided.

Various team representatives such as FURIA CEO Jaime Padua and Complexity General Manager Graham "messioso" Pitt have taken to Twitter over the past 24 hours to share their concerns over the tie-breaking method used in the PGL Major Antwerp Regional Major Ranking events for the Americas and Europe, set to be played in a Swiss format.

What is the Buchholz system?

The Buchholz score is the combined record of a team's previous opponents (in essence the difficulty of a team's path), used to break ties between teams with the same win-loss record. Buchholz was utilized in the past to seed teams between Swiss rounds and in the playoffs bracket at some Majors, but never to determine Major status or qualification.

On top of its typical use for seeding in between rounds and for determining future match-ups, the Buchholz system was supposed to assign specific order to the top eight teams after the final round is played at the three RMR events in question.

PGL responds to one of two issues raised with the RMR format

In some cases, this would determine who out of multiple tied teams qualifies directly to the Legends stage (top 16) and who advances only to the Challengers stage (top 24) and, in others, whether a team advances to the Major or is eliminated altogether.

For example, in the Americas, where six Major spots are on offer, one of two 3-0 teams would be awarded Legend status and the other only Challenger status, and one out of three teams with a 3-2 record would advance to the Major and the other two would miss out.

PGL and Valve have addressed one of these issues, introducing a best-of-three decider bracket for the three 3-2 teams in the Americas that will be played on April 15, the day after the conclusion of the Swiss stage. Buchholz will still be used there to seed the teams in the mini-bracket, with the first seed getting a match advantage.

The tournament organizers have not made any changes otherwise, which means Buchholz will remain in use to break ties in other cases where Major status is on the line and decides at which stage the teams will start the Antwerp event, most importantly between 3-0 teams in the Americas and 3-1 teams in both European tournaments.

#1
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Fiji aaisfana
hah
2022-04-07 13:59
32 replies
Pgl is dead
2022-04-07 14:03
4 replies
this buttholz system is awful i mean you use a scoring system to decide who will be the Legend team? lmao higher seed team will be on disadvantage because they will play shit teams hence getting low scores
2022-04-07 17:55
3 replies
Lol BUTTHOLZ KKKKKKKK
2022-04-07 19:01
ez4buchholz!
2022-04-07 21:50
lol +1 PGL are cooked
2022-04-08 06:43
Seeding is rigged for liquid to earn legends over furia if both score 3-0 regardless of matchups
2022-04-07 14:04
26 replies
Cry
2022-04-07 14:28
How
2022-04-07 14:46
2 replies
furia is seed 1, the thing about seeding is getting easier comp, but the 3-0 tie breaker is decided by how easy was your comp. If furia and liquid both goes 3-0, Liquid will get the legend spot cuz they were #6 seed and got (in theory) harder comp. It's dumb af. Why do you even want to be the #1 seed
2022-04-07 16:21
1 reply
#129
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United States charybids
They *could* be second, but they also could be first. It will depend on how Furia's opponents perform See also #127
2022-04-07 17:57
#72
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United States R700
But it would come down to a tiebreaker match, not some random decision. The #1 team from the event will get the legends spot. I don't see how that is rigged. Winner wins, sounds normal to me.
2022-04-07 14:54
8 replies
There's no tie-break between the two 3-0 teams. If both win the three games, Furia will be second because had higher seed and played against weaker teams.
2022-04-07 15:11
2 replies
#128
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United States charybids
They *could* be second, but they also could be first. It will depend on how Furia's opponents perform See also #127
2022-04-07 17:57
1 reply
And it dont makes any sense. Furia is the reason for the spot on Legends. If no tiebreaker is made, they should be guaranteed the spot if they win the three games.
2022-04-07 18:56
Before the update, teams 3-0 dont was have the match decider. If was like that, wasnt the right way to decide the Legend
2022-04-07 15:14
1 reply
#117
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United States R700
I agree. This is why I thought they would add the tiebreaker. I knew it was buchols system, but even with that system- why not add a tiebreaker game? This makes 100% sense, just add the tiebreaker.
2022-04-07 17:13
#80
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Brazil MrLucas
Im assuming you didnt read the article, there wont be a tiebreaker match, its going to be used the Buchholz system (3-0 team with the "toughest" path will get the legend spot), what means, even though Furia is the reason why this RMR will award a legend spot, its almost Impossible for them to get it even If they win every match because of their seed and this nonsense method
2022-04-07 15:21
there is no such tiebreaker match announced for 3-0 teams
2022-04-07 15:32
Because of best seed, FURIA face weaker teams and then the 3-0 from Liquid worth more than FURIA's 3-0, if it happens. So, don't make sense to have a good seed, right? I'll loose some games on porpouse and prepare to face better teams in PGL, so I have more chances to go to the Major as a Legend. Also: This Legend Spot for NA only exists because of FURIA perfomance in last major tournament. Trying to be imparcial, it seems unfair to me.
2022-04-07 15:46
Liquid 3-0? Kkkkkkkkkkkk
2022-04-07 17:37
1 reply
this is not the point, literally any 3-0 team will qualify over Furia for the Legend spot
2022-04-07 17:57
#127
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United States charybids
This is not actually true. The Buchholz score is based on how the teams you play perform. So if Furia goes 3-0 and Furia's opponents go 3-1, 3-1, and 3-1 their Buchholz score would be +6 and they would end up first. Here's one scenario where Furia and Liquid both go 3-0 and Furia ends up on top: i.imgur.com/wr2AQ7x.png
2022-04-07 18:00
9 replies
which makes this system even more shit because you need to beg your opponents to do better on other matches, even though you rekt them 32-0
2022-04-07 18:00
3 replies
#140
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United States charybids
Basically, yeah. I'm just saying the Buchholz score is based on how teams actually perform, and not their initial seed
2022-04-07 18:02
2 replies
no chance for CoL losing to both Leviathan and TeamOne tho
2022-04-07 18:10
1 reply
+1 liquid is going to get the legend spot that furia achieved for the America's teams because no tie breaker needed according to pgl.
2022-04-07 18:27
ROUND 4: Case > EG, Sao Caetano > 00, Col > Imperial Impossible results
2022-04-07 18:23
1 reply
#160
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United States charybids
This is just an example, there are other result combinations that would work for Furia ending up at #1
2022-04-07 20:08
Furia does indeed start with a disadvantage here. Liquid play 00 which has a way better chance of doing a better tournament than leviatan.
2022-04-07 20:43
2 replies
#167
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United States charybids
But there's also a better chance for Liquid to start out 0-1
2022-04-07 22:31
1 reply
You have a point.
2022-04-08 14:29
#133
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South America I_say_Ok
+111111
2022-04-07 17:58
ok
2022-04-07 14:00
NA IS OMEGALUL
2022-04-07 14:00
6 replies
NA IS OMEGALUL
2022-04-07 14:04
3 replies
NA IS OMEGALUL
2022-04-07 14:04
2 replies
#27
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Poland msfalif404
Cringe
2022-04-07 14:10
1 reply
#107
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
+1
2022-04-07 16:37
#131
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United States charybids
This doesn't just affect NA, the same format is used for EU
2022-04-07 17:58
1 reply
but here you have 6 team and only 1 legend, in Europe in both qualifiers, both 3-0 teams qualify as legends, it is totally different, furia will basically never be legend in this qualifier.
2022-04-08 01:03
#4
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Russia WiHuu
ok
2022-04-07 14:01
They still need to address the tiebreakers for legend spots.
2022-04-07 14:01
1 reply
#132
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United States charybids
They basically said there will be no tiebreakers, it will all be based on the Buchholz score
2022-04-07 17:58
#7
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Cyprus Porgos
Lol
2022-04-07 14:01
#8
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Canada JC_123
sounds bad
2022-04-07 14:02
why did pgl even get another major after the shitshow that was stockholm
2022-04-07 14:03
11 replies
because Blast refused the offer
2022-04-07 14:04
1 reply
BLAST broke lul
2022-04-07 14:06
no options
2022-04-07 14:06
i believe only PGL and ESL bid for major and probably PGL is doing it cheaper.
2022-04-07 14:07
6 replies
yet the tickets are ridiculously expensive
2022-04-07 14:12
ESL actually hosts CS tournaments rn tho, pgl hasnt hosted since 2017. Tf is valve doing
2022-04-07 14:23
4 replies
last major too
2022-04-07 14:28
#60
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China RADNIKEY
They did the CAC as well but your point still stands
2022-04-07 14:34
#74
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Australia sm0go
ESL is probably hosting the 2nd Major this year (in Brazil)
2022-04-07 14:56
Yeah let's give ESL even more of a monopoly, what could go wrong Also ESL have the 2nd major of the year already
2022-04-07 17:59
Because the only TO who bid for major are PGL and ESL
2022-04-07 14:38
need to add a bo3 match between the two teams that will be 3-0 to decide which one will be Legends
2022-04-07 14:08
2 replies
#36
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United States Zake_
+1 Wouldnt be hard to schedule one more damn match
2022-04-07 14:17
1 reply
Yes, just add one more decider match and everything is fine. I hope PGL pay attention to this
2022-04-07 14:22
tldr?
2022-04-07 14:10
6 replies
No
2022-04-07 14:12
#81
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Brazil drydden
Furia is fucked, even if they go 3-0 they won't get Legends because they're #1 seeding
2022-04-07 15:25
4 replies
FUCK thats not fair for art kscerato yuurih drop who were top 8 last year >((((
2022-04-07 15:56
#134
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United States charybids
Not true, see #127
2022-04-07 17:59
That assumes that literally 0 upsets happen in the entire RMR, if any of the teams that Furia beat end up overperforming, it can already put Furia above Liquid
2022-04-07 18:00
1 reply
Leviathan overperforming lul
2022-04-08 07:28
#31
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Croatia nAmeless69
Butthole system lul
2022-04-07 14:15
1 reply
#56
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Brazil darkfroid
kkkkkkkkk
2022-04-07 14:31
Still no tiebreaker for legend spot what a shitshow
2022-04-07 14:15
PGL worst org ever
2022-04-07 14:16
can someone explain in a short way dont want to read all..
2022-04-07 14:18
12 replies
Now offer bo3 matches to decide which 3-2 team get booted. 3-0 and 3-1 teams spot still decided by Bucholz (bad teams beating good teams means more profit)
2022-04-07 14:26
10 replies
#99
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Brazil GOELFLA_br
thats why Furia and coL reported, i think they reported it for this tie-braker match for these spots at the Legends stage
2022-04-07 16:12
9 replies
no tie-braker for disqualifiying is way, waaaaay, worse than no tie-braker for legends stage
2022-04-07 16:15
8 replies
i do know it, but for team like Furia and coL, most part of Furia side, they want more this 3-0 match for the legend spot, if u saw Apoka's simulation of the rmr, furia could get the second seed without even a tie-braker match for the legend spot, and thats unfair, because Furia is the #1 team in the RMR spots and probably will get the easiest opponents, and if this happens they will start the major on the challengers stage
2022-04-07 16:17
7 replies
you havent read the article you`re commenting on, have you?
2022-04-07 16:18
6 replies
ye i did not, but i made this comment with the informations i had before the changes, and i made the article with the possible vision of the teams, its not only what they told, its more possible be what i told ya, the reason why they repported it to PGL make these changes
2022-04-07 17:10
5 replies
I totally agree that Valve and PGL only agreed to this small change thanks to the orgs reporting it. Maybe even only after they went public on it, that i'm not so sure. On the main event (Legends) spot, I dont think is that bad. Gives a little advantage to underdog teams, and make the favorites actually having to prove themselves as the better team. on the entertainment and storytelling part i think is quite good. I totally understand that sportwise is bs
2022-04-07 17:17
4 replies
i disagree on the mais event, if they want to prove themselves to get this legends spots they have to fight the better teams, and not go directely to it without any match, how do we know if they really deserve it without even playing against the better teams, and if they just lose 0-3 getting on the legends, and the better teams go 3-1 to the champions, it was going to be completely unfair
2022-04-07 17:20
1 reply
Forget the name of the stages for a bit. To be 3-0, they had to beat good teams, thats how the maths of these pairings work. The argument on this system is to reward current form, not ranking positions. and also, i never said that the distribution was fair, only that they could end up more entertaining...
2022-04-07 17:25
There's no such thing as favourites proving themselves. It doesn't matter if Furia beats Leviatan 37-34 or 16-0, what matters is Leviatan having good results on the latter matches. Furia basically have to win and immediately cheer and hope that the teams they beat have good results on the other matches lol
2022-04-08 03:49
1 reply
Dude i`m commenting on the side of non-lunatic spectator. read the whole thing and try to have some open mind. IM LITERALLY SAYING IS BULLSHIT SPORT-WISE.
2022-04-08 13:26
Tldr the seeding is not perfect, and the teams are a bit unhappy about it.
2022-04-07 14:29
Funny how liquid said nothing about it
2022-04-07 14:24
1 reply
They are one of the most favored team kkkkkk
2022-04-07 19:04
This is Valve's fault, not PGL. They're just following the guidelines established by Valve. And if u wonder why other TOs do not opt to the Major, this is one of the reasons. EDIT: But is much easier to complain to PGL than other decisions BLAST and/or ESL make, especially when u are a partner team: "shut up and take the money". For example: dividing BLAST Showdown in two groups "to have at least a NA team representing...": Bullshit. If BLAST is about "the best teams in the world", it shouldn't care where are they from... UNLESS this move is for the viewers and revenue.
2022-04-07 14:33
1 reply
#53
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Slovakia Daev0n
lmao ofc
2022-04-07 14:30
why does furia ceo look 17
2022-04-07 14:26
1 reply
because esports is zoomers thingy
2022-04-07 14:27
#54
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India aR__
What a effing 🤡 tourney organizer
2022-04-07 14:30
need to add a bo3 match between the two teams that will be 3-0 to decide which one will be Legends
2022-04-07 14:32
PGL must have bribed someone to get another major. It's not like Stockholm was amazing, except for Navi winning they first major, it was kind of a dud major, and the initial production problems (attributed to updated game files) was insanely bad. Sound quality was bad a lot of the time, and they casters must have been told to scream a lot, since that's all I heard the entire major. Who do Blast need to bribe to get a very well deserved major? Their production quality is by far the best of them all atm.
2022-04-07 14:45
4 replies
Blast didnt bid for the major, you should blame them for that
2022-04-07 15:40
Blast don't need to bribe anyone, they just need to bid for it which they don't. They don't want to host majors.
2022-04-07 18:02
2 replies
it was insanely bad in Stockholm, and for this they are rewarded with another.
2022-04-08 13:40
1 reply
Because they're the only one except ESL that actually want to host one, and ESL already has the 2nd major of 2022 confirmed. Also they deserve another chance, if they fuck it up again then we can write them off, but more TO's in the scene is a good thing.
2022-04-08 14:08
Imagine skipping major first stage just because you got lucky in matchups in RMR
2022-04-07 14:47
6 replies
Not even lucky, it's purely decided. Can't imagine why they seeded Liquid #6 when they are CLEARLY the only S-tier team alongside Furia in this RMR Americas
2022-04-07 14:56
5 replies
may not be 100% luck, but it's still shit to not just play a single Bo3 for getting to skip at least 2 Bo1's and a Bo3 in the Major.
2022-04-07 14:57
Well that's easy, Liquid had to play open qualifiers and got 2nd place in the open qualifier. So Furia is seed 1 from the major, then the 4 1st placed teams from the open qualifiers are seed 2,3,4,5, and Liquid are seed 6 because they placed 2nd in the first open qualifier
2022-04-07 18:04
2 replies
That seeding criterea is simply brainless. So the other good teams (better ranked teams on HLTV/ESL/whatever the fuck) might as well throw matches just like Liquid did so that they can get lower seeds to attain unfair advantage, making competitive integrity a shithole.
2022-04-07 18:27
1 reply
It's not an advantage, they will face tougher opponents now.
2022-04-07 18:28
CLEARLY.
2022-04-08 13:41
#71
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Brazil drydden
They need to add a bo3 for 3-0 teams, the way it is currently it's unfair to Furia
2022-04-07 14:52
#76
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Brazil drydden
Basically Furia will be punished for being too good
2022-04-07 15:00
#79
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Canada firtlast
wouldnt be surprised if pgl observer goes afk during the first half of the major final or just passes out from drinking too much
2022-04-07 15:15
2 replies
Major is getting devalued AF with PGL as hosts.
2022-04-08 13:43
1 reply
#183
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Canada firtlast
may the lowest bidder win!
2022-04-08 16:37
#83
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Brazil syncme
does that mean its impossible to furia to get to legends because their seed is too high? brainlet rmr
2022-04-07 15:33
1 reply
#137
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United States charybids
It's not impossible, see #127
2022-04-07 18:00
Shitty and unfair format
2022-04-07 15:36
#91
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Denmark NaNDO4j
The format omegalul, Rip Furia legend
2022-04-07 15:50
#92
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Brazil Anarchybr
Clown PGL trying to make Liquid to go directly to Legends over FURIA Don’t forget the only reason NA has a Legend spot is FURIA itself
2022-04-07 15:51
Clown fiesta
2022-04-07 15:54
that's one of the most retarded formats i've seen in a while.
2022-04-07 16:06
OMEGALUL PGL, what about one BO3 between 3-0 teams? America's Legends spot will be decided by luck??? Skewed competition
2022-04-07 16:18
#103
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Belgium Dashoun
that's the romanian flag on your article not the belgian one lmao
2022-04-07 16:18
3 replies
The RMR is in Romania
2022-04-07 17:03
2 replies
#120
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Belgium Dashoun
my mom a hoe then
2022-04-07 17:20
1 reply
OMEGALUL
2022-04-07 17:52
Good, now change the 3-1 decider, it can't be like this, wtf guys.
2022-04-07 16:28
#109
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Japan Mirag3
PGL = TRASH
2022-04-07 16:43
#110
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Japan Mirag3
BLAST MAJOR
2022-04-07 16:44
#111
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Portugal dracø
Legend spot determined by pure luck instead of having an extra bo3... PGL fucking up as per usual.. just another clown fiesta :D
2022-04-07 16:45
3 replies
How is that PGL's fault, the rules were given by Valve, PGL is actually trying to fix them and you're out here shitting on them
2022-04-07 18:09
2 replies
I don't think valve pick the formats. Furia complained, and gla1ve supported the complaint
2022-04-08 13:45
1 reply
Valve literally put out the rulebook which determines all processes and formats when it comes to majors counter-strike.net/csgo_major_supplement..
2022-04-08 14:09
#112
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Europe Zwenix
PGL = GOAT
2022-04-07 16:47
5 replies
Worst major hosts so far
2022-04-08 13:46
4 replies
#179
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Europe Zwenix
rock memory
2022-04-08 13:52
3 replies
You really liked the quality of Stockholm pgl? Major sound issues, abysmal casting (or rather, nonstop screaming) and so forth?
2022-04-19 18:23
2 replies
#185
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Europe Zwenix
all i say is that pgl is not so special. Faceit major was as bad for example
2022-04-19 18:28
1 reply
But giving it straight back to someone not doing anything special stinks far away of corruption.
2022-04-19 20:06
If I recall, PGL does events for Valve in DOTA 2. Do those also have production issues or even crappy rule issues? If the former is yes, then PGL is most likely at fault. If it is the latter, then either PGL or Valve can be at fault. Probably also why PGL was allowed to petition for a major due to their DOTA relationship with Valve.
2022-04-07 16:54
Katowice 2019 had the best seeding...
2022-04-07 16:58
#121
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Brazil Anarchybr
Clownfiesta, how the top 1 NA team can’t even have a shot at locking Legends spot even winning everything
2022-04-07 17:21
PGL is just trash
2022-04-07 17:45
The best teams aren't even going to be at the major in any capacity so I don't know why NA cares because it's only going to be a bad major, if it was a good major there wouldn't be an NA team in even the semi-finals but we're likely not going to have Na'vi, Gambit or VP there in any real capacity with Belgium basically saying all Russian people can get fucked, not even just like Russians close to Putin they just said if you're Russian we don't want you here which is what people tried to attack Trump for in 2016 when he put a ban on people from like 6 countries but I guess it's fine cuz Russians bad.
2022-04-07 18:03
Valve is so retarded. Good job making it unfair for the only NA team capable of making to Playoffs. No matter how hard you guys try to put Liquid in Legends, you all know Liquid is fucked anyway, ez 0-3 in Legends stage. Fuck Valve.
2022-04-07 18:19
#148
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Brazil hugoooo
Buchholz is ass
2022-04-07 18:23
1 reply
well it's there in the name buttholz system
2022-04-07 22:03
Legend spot fix ?
2022-04-07 18:28
#153
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Finland Tusku
not good enough
2022-04-07 18:35
#154
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Spain moorakami
Epic bullshit. A team should be focused on winning the matches, not on how many rounds they lose or what match record their opponents have. This is beyond stupid.
2022-04-07 18:35
PGL worst tournaments organizer
2022-04-07 18:49
1 reply
its valves decision
2022-04-07 21:07
so tldr Furia gets punished for being top seed
2022-04-07 22:29
1 reply
people are overreacting (and possibly not fully understanding Buchholz). it's not like Americas CS is so well defined that upsets never happen and Furia is doomed to only face bad teams that will drag their tiebreaking number down. But it's also true that since they only have a single Legends spot, it'd be much better if Valve had decided to make a decider match (even if bo1) between both 3-0 teams.
2022-04-08 02:19
Can you adress the shitty draws for the EU RMR as well?
2022-04-19 20:08
#188
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Brazil sikis
why is forze not banned? why didn't they have to change the name of the organization?
2022-04-19 20:10
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