ESIC shares stance on coach bug variants, announces incoming ban wave

Almost two years after the investigation into coaching bug abuse began, ESIC is ready to present its latest findings on recently discovered new variants of the exploit.

- Three distinct variants of the bug were identified
- Abuse of free-roam variant deemed equal to cheating
- 134 people were impacted in total
- Three coaches will be suspended from PGL Major

ESIC has released an interim statement, listing the three known variants of the infamous coaching bug which saw 37 coaches banned in September 2020 and explaining their stance on how it is going to deal out punishment based on the new findings.

In recent weeks it has come to light that more versions of the coaching bug have been found and that a significant number of coaches were involved in their use, on top of the 37 previously banned for their abuse of the original version, which allowed a coach to view a part of the map in real time and gain an unfair advantage.

Among these new versions was a third-person variant, thanks to which a coach who found himself in the bug could view angles the spectated player couldn't see (such as behind corners). Due to this only happening one round at a time and not being enforceable by anyone involved, the ESIC Commissioner deemed this version as "posing a relatively low risk to competitive integrity," but stressed that he will seek to apply a penalty to those who didn't "adequately deal with the opportunity to gain a competitive advantage."

There was however an even more serious free-roam variant that enabled the coach to fly around the map with complete control, which has been deemed equal to cheating by ESIC and, as a result, which will be met with much more serious punishment.

ESIC has revealed some shocking numbers in regards to the volume of people who have been affected by these bugs. In total, 84 coaches were affected by the original 'static' bug, including the 37 who had previously been banned, while 47 were found to have been affected by the third-person variant, and 3 were found to have been affected by the free-roam variant.

The esports watchdog has yet to reveal any names and exact punishments it will hand out, but with the help of a mid-April report by Dexerto and another by Jaxon we've come to know two coaches who were found to have encountered at least one of these new variants: Damien "⁠maLeK⁠" Marcel and Luis "⁠peacemaker⁠" Tadeu.

The latter is currently listed as Imperial's coach in the upcoming PGL Major Antwerp. ESIC has stated that three participants of the Major will be provisionally suspended for their involvement in "serious variants" of the coaching bug.

ESIC has only revealed the methodology it will use when handing out bans to offenders. For the static version, the same sanctions matrix that was utilized when banning the first 37 coaches will be used, while for the third-person variant the coaches will be banned for 30 days per round in which they were found in the bug.

As for the free-roam version, it will be dealt with in accordance with article 2.4.4 and 2.4.5 of ESIC's Code of Conduct, which is reserved for cheating offenses and may carry a sanction of up to 24 months.

oh boy
2022-05-05 18:01
13 replies
Peacemaker rekt again
2022-05-05 18:06
12 replies
#32
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Reunion fthata
Warmaker inste4d
2022-05-05 18:07
7 replies
#43
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Belarus I_say_Ok
so is heroic getting banned or no
2022-05-05 18:11
5 replies
Pretty sure that when peacemaker used the bug the roster consisted of Snappi, Moddii, Rubino, niko, and es3tag - so none of the players are the same. Also the org was under a different ownership.
2022-05-05 18:20
3 replies
#188
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Brazil Lok72
Well this explain why es3paycheck is still on team's payroll Money for silence
2022-05-05 19:47
2 replies
that makes no sense, no one that worked in Heroic's management back in 2019/2020 works there any more, it was sold...
2022-05-05 21:11
#318
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Australia Sify
br brain
2022-05-05 23:46
No not a single team was banned bc of the bug only coaches are being banned. They're not gonna ban players for knowing about the use of it. They will only ban coaches. If they start banning teams that means they'll have to investigate every of those 87 teams for prior knowledge which is basically impossible
2022-05-06 02:11
lmao
2022-05-05 18:50
#57
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United States cybonics
karma for all his disbanding
2022-05-05 18:16
peacemaker never ceases to amaze me haha
2022-05-05 18:25
Take imperial out from your pick’ems folks. No coach = no win
2022-05-05 21:40
1 reply
#323
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Europe nekker
Probably everyone already either had them 0-3 or not picked at all so no actions needed
2022-05-06 00:35
#2
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San Marino Loyuu
Really
2022-05-05 18:01
#3
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Turkey edsvi
Heroic must be disband for using coach bug
2022-05-05 18:01
18 replies
bro wht
2022-05-05 18:18
1 reply
Heroic Peacemaker
2022-05-05 21:00
never happening, ESIC is in cahoots with Heroic. Cheater org covered by anti-cheat body. what a waste
2022-05-05 18:34
3 replies
Ofc ofc and the earth is flat as well
2022-05-05 19:37
1 reply
#342
KQLY | 
Montenegro 4bnty
idk why are u mocking him he said something really really possible lol
2022-05-06 11:38
+1
2022-05-05 22:17
so delusional XD
2022-05-05 18:36
edsvi must be disband for bad england
2022-05-05 19:25
2 replies
#242
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Turkey edsvi
Better tan yors for sur
2022-05-05 20:33
1 reply
+1
2022-05-05 21:07
KEKW morons still malding about Heroic for no reason.
2022-05-05 21:28
6 replies
#326
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Lithuania ashas
+1 people hate players because of what Hunden did, while the players themselves had no clue whats going on
2022-05-06 03:12
5 replies
Except they did. Read the report. They was told and did not do anything. And esic said they knew but they didnt really know. Shittest report ever. Joke
2022-05-06 09:04
4 replies
#336
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Lithuania ashas
every single interview Ive heard players were saying they knew little to nothing regarding all of the situation and during that time Hundens coaching seemed weird to them, but they had no idea that theres a bug or anything... also how do I comprehend this: "esic said they knew but they didnt really know"?????
2022-05-06 09:10
2 replies
If you think they would b willing to admit that their coach was "cheating" during a interview ur clueless my man.
2022-05-06 12:34
1 reply
#351
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Lithuania ashas
players wouldnt admit if they knew, because everyone of them would get shit on and as long as theres no real proof you cant judge them. bottom line is it doesnt matter if they knew or not, the main cheater in this situation was Hunden, who abused a bug, players just got to be the victims of the situation
2022-05-06 12:57
maybe read the report again? They said they knew about the bug and that HUNDEN encountered it because he told them but they thought he would not be so stupid to actively use it in officials. Only niko knew more and he got punished for that.
2022-05-06 10:53
Based
2022-05-05 22:17
#4
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Sweden AFCx
rip cloud9
2022-05-05 18:01
4 replies
reply needs to have content?????
2022-05-05 18:01
rip bne
2022-05-05 18:07
2 replies
Bald News Eagles
2022-05-05 18:44
kekw
2022-05-05 18:56
#5
BnTeT | 
Indonesia Alvi15
brug
2022-05-05 18:01
F imperial
2022-05-05 18:01
rip malek?
2022-05-05 18:01
NIIIICE
2022-05-05 18:01
no way please tell me malek didnt actually abuse coach bug, i would be so disappointed
2022-05-05 18:02
54 replies
#19
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Finland Vkims
G2 always cheating
2022-05-05 18:04
1 reply
#246
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Czech Republic Starold
G2 always choking
2022-05-05 20:34
Most coaches did, blame Valve not the coaches. You basically have to so you can compete against other teams that are doing it. There are hundreds of thousands of dollars and careers on the line.
2022-05-05 18:06
46 replies
#39
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Brazil hugoooo
That's a terrible way to think about it. OBVIOUSLY everybody that abused this bug need to be blamed, as well as Valve too.
2022-05-05 18:09
4 replies
#138
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Poland Kobel_
+1
2022-05-05 18:57
+1
2022-05-05 20:43
+1
2022-05-05 21:07
1 reply
#347
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Azerbaijan djwanksta
+1
2022-05-06 12:03
#41
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
this No one should be held accountable for this other than valve, not the coaches fault that shit company cant code their own game
2022-05-05 18:10
25 replies
+1 I would understand if the bug existed for like a few weeks and then they fixed it and then did damage control. But YEARS!? Are you fucking joking?
2022-05-05 18:11
4 replies
#59
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Brazil beugen1o
+1
2022-05-05 18:17
#65
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United States cybonics
It's been so long it feels like they're beating a dead horse at this point.
2022-05-05 18:19
2 replies
Yeah they killed it, then beat it, then resurrected it, then killed it and beat it again.
2022-05-05 18:20
1 reply
+1
2022-05-05 18:36
or u could be a normal competitive player and report it to admins to reset the server/round instead of using the bug to gain advantage? simple literally stopped a lan match to adjust monitors when he could see a reflection from the screen, yet some people defend scumbags who cheated for years xdd
2022-05-05 18:19
16 replies
#68
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
A lot of coaches reported it in the beginning, but since valve didnt give a shit, people eventually stopped reporting it. This situation isnt even surprising things just followed their natural course and there is no one to blame other than Valve
2022-05-05 18:20
8 replies
not an excuse but ok wait nvm just noticed ur flair, everything makes sense now
2022-05-05 18:21
6 replies
#76
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
It literally IS an excuse. ,,b-but esports players need to have integrity" No one cares about integrity in an industry like this,im surprised that some coaches actually reported it but since it went unchecked for so long it became part of what u have to do to win.
2022-05-05 18:24
4 replies
"No one cares about integrity in an industry like this" alright why not have random aimbot on next major then
2022-05-05 18:28
2 replies
#100
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
because pro matches wouldnt be a thing if viewers didnt see it as legit competition. Thats why in most cases esports is legit competition, because you take a look at Riot if a pro team abuses the smallest bug they get disqualified. Valve needed to take action against this when it was reported, but they didnt, and so what message was understood from this action? It was understood that coach bug is legitimate competition, and while this shouldnt have happened it did only because of valve. Pro players or coaches arent to blame for this, not everyone is a moral saint and therefore people like HUNDEN saw this as an opportunity to win, doesnt mean they should be banned because in this case valve literaly knew about this bug and allowed them to cheat.
2022-05-05 18:36
1 reply
Sent a mp through social media is not reporting a bug, specially if no one answers. They could tell admins from the events and then try to contact somebody official not a community manager from twitter. I mean, if you want to stop it and you have no way to reach valve, you can do a single public tweet about it and wait until everything explodes.
2022-05-05 21:00
#117
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Europe Khanan
"No one cares about integrity in an industry like this" Idiotic take and not true.
2022-05-05 18:45
#191
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Brazil Lok72
It literally is stop being a hammerhead
2022-05-05 19:48
+1
2022-05-05 18:41
+1 common sense if you have integrity imo if your team is in an official and you discover an exploit this extensive your first thought should be to contact admins. one of the arguments I've heard is that before the original coach bug report people didn't know who ESIC was, which is fair; however, reporting it to the tourney admins should be an obvious step to take.
2022-05-05 18:25
1 reply
To admins and then report it publicly through hltv or a public tweet and it would be fixed in a week after the shit hit the fan.
2022-05-05 21:01
#90
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Denmark Rubix__
+1 there is always a right thing to do and a wrong thing to do, and justifying your wrong actions by saying that rest of the world is doing it is a regressive mentality
2022-05-05 18:30
1 reply
#222
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Brazil bizhuy
+1 these are the same people who have cheats on their pc and "only toggle when the other team is cheating"
2022-05-05 20:16
valve didnt care but ok Pita, ex-NIP coach "Right after the match I contacted Valve on Twitter in a private message. The reason why I did this was obviously because I was remorseful but also at the same time I wanted to get a fix to this. We didn’t play much online games in NiP so I wanted to get this fixed for the sake of the community. I’ve had contact with Valve in private prior to this, and that’s why I contacted them in in the same way as before. At this point I didn’t exactly know how the bugged worked. I didn’t get an answer and I contacted them again 4 months later when I found out how it worked. Still no response. All it took was a tweet by Loord and a public opinion for Valve to do anything about this, sadly. If they would have listened to me when I contacted them in 2018 nothing of this today would’ve happened, and I could’ve potentially been the only case. SS1: gyazo.com/0800971f16c4a438c30380679c4cad.. SS2: gyazo.com/01e09badb3e5fad04ad9ced9f45a3a.. SS of previous contact with Valve: gyazo.com/a6fc9c459d625209e8aefda7e2ab65.." twitlonger.com/show/n_1srcti6
2022-05-05 18:46
2 replies
How is any of that an excuse to keep cheating?
2022-05-05 19:31
1 reply
in the list of banned coaches there were people who had this bug only once in their entire career for 1-3 rounds (ruggah, miNIr0x), these people probably pressed all keys on keyboard trying to fix this, but decided to just restart cs go because it's much simplier than telling admin that u got some bug right? Ruggah's liquipedia page says that he "exploited" the bug. Do you really think that it can be called "exploited" when the guy had this bug because his game glitched just for one round in fucking 2016? LMBT had this bug 4 times in 3 different games during one round, the first use was detected in 2015 and the second only in 2020, just for one round. Do you think he also "exploited" the bug? At least he appealed the ESIC decision and got away with it. Lmao, there is a still a bug when you get spawned and it seems like you fly and can see enemies behind obstacles and give info to teammates and Valve does not give a shit to do anything with this, although we both know that this bug appears randomly and cannot be caused intentionally. I guess in this case Valve should give all "bug-abusers" VAC because they didnt contact Valve to tell about this.
2022-05-05 20:09
Are you saying everyone should play with spinbot because its possible?
2022-05-05 18:21
2 replies
his point is pretty stupid but still, cheating with 3rd party software is nowhere near the same thing
2022-05-05 18:27
other people are cheating so not only should I not be punished for cheating, I also have no other option but to cheat 300 iq logic
2022-05-05 18:28
If a bug shows up and you don't tell the tournament admin then you cheated. very simple to understand
2022-05-05 18:45
14 replies
#115 very simple to understand
2022-05-05 18:47
5 replies
contact Valve isn't the same as telling ESL or whoever that it appeared. very simple to understand
2022-05-05 18:49
4 replies
What you are expecting people to do, would never happen in a million years. Either you are naive or clueless. This "sub-thread" has been about Valve's incompetence, they are the only ones who could have fixed this issue. Very simple to understand
2022-05-05 18:53
3 replies
I expect to tell ESL "here is a bug that could be used like a WH". Instead, coaches knew it for years but never mention it to any Admin.
2022-05-05 18:55
2 replies
Lol comon man there's no shot that's ever going to happen.
2022-05-05 19:01
1 reply
Lol I think this is normal behaviour that you can expect when people respect fair play. They don't so they deserve a lifetime ban
2022-05-05 19:07
#169
b1t | 
Brazil Luxpla
Brazilian coach Apoka was afk during his bug match, he left the PC to stand behind his players as he used to do. Some of the coaches didn't even understand what happened and others just ignored. There was a coach punished for it in a match his team lost 16-1, it’s unbelievable.
2022-05-05 19:26
7 replies
Robban lost 16-0 to Astrealis while BUg appeared. Just tell admins asap and you as a coach are free. But he decided to do nothing
2022-05-05 19:28
6 replies
Easy to say this after knowing some coaches exploited it as an advantage. Unfortunately, some coaches didn’t exploit it neither realize it was a relevant bug, but they were punished. It’s apoka (ex-mibr) situation
2022-05-05 19:59
3 replies
Everyone with a normal moral setting knows it is wrong to have this view on the map. If you don't see any problem there you are wrong in the pro scene. Just leave it.
2022-05-06 16:13
2 replies
Some coaches were AFK, others could be in a position without precious info
2022-05-06 17:48
1 reply
the second guy you mention, why they don't say then "oh admin I am stuck in a weird position what are we gonna do now?"
2022-05-06 17:50
#346
b1t | 
Brazil Luxpla
Hally from Team Spirit got only one coach bug round, in a really useless spot, 2 years ago and now is taking 30 days ban right before the Major. ESIC is pathetic and should stop defending this shit organization that only cares about punishing and pretending to work.
2022-05-06 12:00
1 reply
I agree with ESIC. ESIC is an abfuck (german word for absolutely bullshit). But still, if you see you have the bug and say nothing is your own responsibility. There is obv a big reason why NOBODY spoke to tournament admins. ESL didn't know anything about the BUG even when it appeared in at least 100 matches of their tournaments.
2022-05-06 16:15
#36
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Reunion fthata
No way
2022-05-05 18:08
#60
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Belarus I_say_Ok
g2 xiters
2022-05-05 18:17
#160
b1t | 
Brazil Luxpla
We can't be sure, if it has happened to him, only one thing is for certain: he got into the bug mess. And the problem about ESIC and Valve is that both of them are punishing the coaches regardless of exploiting it or not, which means that they ban the coach just because the bug happened to them. We don't know what Malek did with the bug, if he abused it or not, we'll have to wait. It's just absurd how this matter is being handled.
2022-05-05 19:20
#170
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Sweden Cveta
It might just be the 3rd person view bug and while bad, not too serious.
2022-05-05 19:26
Malek is a bad coach and a mean personn, hiding in a humble and kindlookinggood body
2022-05-06 08:05
Uh oh
2022-05-05 18:02
#12
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Finland Keheveli
oh shit here we go again
2022-05-05 18:02
1 reply
#20
nitr0 | 
United States Zake_
+1
2022-05-05 18:04
malek banned?
2022-05-05 18:02
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIETT
2022-05-05 18:02
#15
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Poland smutnyyy
POG
2022-05-05 18:02
only like 2 years late xaxax
2022-05-05 18:03
5 replies
#37
mhL | 
Russia Ansi
this ^^ its just unbelievable.
2022-05-05 18:09
#88
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Kuwait seca34958
you realize they have to manually review the demos? do you think they can go through that in 3 days?
2022-05-05 18:29
3 replies
“ESIC is currently finalising part two of the spectator bug investigation and is aiming to publish its results in the next few weeks,” the organisation said. 9/11/2020 - 13:00
2022-05-05 18:54
they had programs to detect this sort of thing; it was the same with the first coach bug they could have done it much quicker than this i'm sure
2022-05-05 18:56
1 reply
#193
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Brazil Lok72
They couldnt because is ALL two man work, one to spectate and another to write the article
2022-05-05 19:50
#17
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England Jerry2805
Here we go again
2022-05-05 18:04
Here we go again ffs
2022-05-05 18:04
#21
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Finland Vkims
Where bans
2022-05-05 18:05
stop with the drama and spit out the names already!
2022-05-05 18:05
Again ?
2022-05-05 18:05
Again?
2022-05-05 18:05
If you ain't cheating you ain't trying. Everyone did this like its not just a few malicious individuals. Everyone was doing it on a different scale. It's in the past just move on now.
2022-05-05 18:06
5 replies
#31
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Egypt BomberMan_
0/8 Also, everyone didnt cheat.
2022-05-05 18:07
1 reply
Over 50 coaches have been found so far like come on. It was bad but everyone was doing it.
2022-05-05 20:25
#229
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Brazil bizhuy
typical cheater mentality, assumes everyone else is cheating to justify his shitty actions
2022-05-05 20:24
1 reply
+1
2022-05-05 21:28
I never cheated.
2022-05-05 21:28
#28
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Egypt BomberMan_
only 1 guy implicated is participating in the major so I guess t2 is about to get blown up
2022-05-05 18:07
5 replies
it says 3 of the people are currently participating in the major in the article
2022-05-05 18:57
4 replies
'Furthermore, it is important to note that this variant and charges related to it affects one participant at the upcoming Antwerp Major beginning on Monday 9th May.' Straight from the press release on their site esic.gg/press-release/esic-to-issue-char.. The 3 other mentioned were from the original 37 I think. The quote I put is from penultimate paragraph in the press release.
2022-05-05 19:22
3 replies
"ESIC has stated that three participants of the Major will be provisionally suspended for their involvement in "serious variants" of the coaching bug." they reiterated in the article so idk?
2022-05-05 20:09
1 reply
well i assume the 3 were from the original 37 like robban for example.
2022-05-05 20:30
Major is rigged!!!! It’s rigged boys!
2022-05-05 20:32
#30
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Poland Tongus
Maybe finally do something about Pinnacle Scam? Yeah no1 cares
2022-05-05 18:07
26 replies
#48
DAD | 
Seychelles synok
exactly, fake ass commission cant tackle the real issue of competitive cs
2022-05-05 18:12
3 replies
#194
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Brazil Lok72
+1 Esic unfortunately is a joke And cs integrity is over
2022-05-05 19:51
+1
2022-05-05 22:18
eSports, like other sports, chose to go hand in hand with betting companies and now they pay the price. Kids on here and in Twitch chat constantly making fun of bettors, posting odds etc Gratz eSports, you went from being a pretty cool underground thing to a sellout with a userbase full of degenerated gamblers.
2022-05-06 13:27
#123
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Europe Khanan
What’s the scam?
2022-05-05 18:48
20 replies
The pinnacle itself, literally every 2nd game is scripted
2022-05-05 19:18
17 replies
#163
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Europe Khanan
How do you know?
2022-05-05 19:22
16 replies
#197
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Brazil Lok72
Have you watched any match? It 100% is
2022-05-05 19:57
15 replies
#205
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Europe Khanan
Yes I did, how do you know?
2022-05-05 20:02
14 replies
Source: trust me bro
2022-05-05 20:08
2 replies
#216
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Europe Khanan
Conspiracy theorists at it again
2022-05-05 20:13
Lol the last time some rando told someone “trust me bro” haha he ended up having not a single clue as per wtf he was talking about. Lmfao
2022-05-05 20:33
#217
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Brazil Lok72
So you must have 100h or less in CSGO Good job
2022-05-05 20:13
10 replies
#218
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Europe Khanan
Wrong and I ask you again, how do you know? Maybe stop dodging my question and answer? Lol Or just stfu
2022-05-05 20:14
9 replies
#223
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Brazil Lok72
How do you not know I'm not hold responsible for every other player or familiar of them who might get the $$ money, but If have another reason for a team to decide to throw and get off the tournament instead of trying winning It you tell me. If you have half brain you can notice what they doing, but apparently you dont
2022-05-05 20:18
#225
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Brazil Lok72
Take two years to gather evidence of public Domain demos and you expect I solve the proof of matchfixing in cs scenario Cant express any better for a dumbo
2022-05-05 20:21
7 replies
#228
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Europe Khanan
So you’re just a idiot who talks trash in hltv, got it. Like I said, you can always stfu and also lol at you simping for Entropiq “Queens”
2022-05-05 20:23
6 replies
#231
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Brazil Lok72
Ok esic founder must have hurt your feelings here give me your pix Will send you some cash And cya, Will make attention for my Queens instead of arguing with an edgy teenlord
2022-05-05 20:27
5 replies
#232
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Europe Khanan
I asked for proof, you’re just throwing around insults and bad worded sentences written in a poor way. The matter is clear, you’re just a conspiracy theorist with too much time. Go watch your fav team “Entropiq Queens”
2022-05-05 20:28
4 replies
#233
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Brazil Lok72
Ask esic for proof and stop being annoying
2022-05-05 20:28
3 replies
#234
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Europe Khanan
I’m not doing your job for you, and this has nothing to do with ESIC. The topic was if Pinnacle is scripting or not. When you’re accusing someone you have to proof it, not me. Like I said, stfu is free
2022-05-05 20:29
2 replies
#249
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Brazil Lok72
Im not paid for that and own you nothing Shut up If tou cant deal with the fact csgo pro scene is corrupt
2022-05-05 20:38
1 reply
#252
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Europe Khanan
If you’re unable to back your nonsense then don’t talk shit in the first place, like I said, stfu then. If it’s so bad, go watch something else
2022-05-05 20:41
Pinnacle is used for big bets to finance the small teams so they can get more competitive. Thats the theory
2022-05-06 09:11
1 reply
#368
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Europe Khanan
Whatever that means
2022-05-06 19:06
+1
2022-05-05 22:18
#33
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World waltsuu
are these from like from covid era online matches?
2022-05-05 18:08
1 reply
#198
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Brazil Lok72
Bug been happening since 2014, fisrt reports at least
2022-05-05 19:57
hope groove and dastan are clean
2022-05-05 18:08
#35
F1KU | 
Poland ad3m93
imagine cheating for some dollars HAHAH
2022-05-05 18:08
#38
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New Zealand Iuca5
damn malek ban incoming i wonder who the other 2 at the major are, dastan and sAw maybe?
2022-05-05 18:09
3 replies
peacemaker too.
2022-05-05 19:01
2 replies
#155
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New Zealand Iuca5
yeah we known that for like 2 months now tho
2022-05-05 19:16
1 reply
Malek is not playing at the major (eg didn't qualify). So, the 3 coachs at the major are peacemaker (imperial), dastan (outsiders) and saw (ence).
2022-05-05 19:28
hey dogsic can u ban pincup participants? of course not cuz your are getting paid
2022-05-05 18:10
#42
AMANEK | 
Czech Republic 4DC3
Damdam :(
2022-05-05 18:10
#45
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Ukraine VoidWave
WHAT NOT AGAIN PLEASZXE
2022-05-05 18:11
30 days per round? Lol there’s month long breaks where there’s no tournaments many times a year. Seems light especially considering many coaches once again won’t be at major
2022-05-05 18:11
#47
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Spain batxe
"ESIC has stated that three participants of the Major will be provisionally suspended for their involvement in "serious variants" of the coaching bug." place your bets guys - peacemaker - dastan - sAw
2022-05-05 18:12
8 replies
#61
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
Those fuckers couldnt even wait until after the major.Doing everything they can to fuck up the scene. DISBAND ESIC !
2022-05-05 18:18
7 replies
#92
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Kuwait seca34958
yea it's the fault of ESIC that the coaches abused a bug if anyone fucked up the scene, it's the coaches, not ESIC
2022-05-05 18:31
6 replies
#107
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
whats the point of banning so many coaches for doing something valve allowed them to do? Integrity? Really? You think banning strategical masterminds like Hunden prevents this from happening again? Yeah lets ban every pro/coach who isnt a moral saint just because valve doesnt want to fix their bugs when they are first reported
2022-05-05 18:40
4 replies
#156
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Kuwait seca34958
what? allowed them to do? possible != allowed I can murder you, but that doesn't mean the government allowed me to
2022-05-05 19:17
3 replies
#200
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Brazil Lok72
WTF are u on You're the only Clown defending esic
2022-05-05 19:59
1 reply
0/8
2022-05-05 22:05
#344
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
If the government knew that you wanted to murder me,and did nothing to stop it,then yes The government allowed you to murder me Valve knew that coach bug existed and did nothing about it Valve allowed coaches to use the bug
2022-05-06 11:43
His flair bro xD
2022-05-05 22:04
Let me get this straight, heroic is still allowed to compete after admitting to cheating yet they are about to ban more coaches? Wtf is ESIC smoking?
2022-05-05 18:12
20 replies
Heroic didn't "admit to cheating" - HUNDEN admitted to cheating, niko admitted to knowing at the time, and stavn, b0rup, and cadian admitted to finding out after the fact. If you want to criticise them for not coming forward, or argue that niko should have been punished more, then be my guest, but it doesn't change the fact that no current heroic player was ever found to have knowingly benefitted from the coach bug. Also yes, I know my flair checks out :)
2022-05-05 18:25
15 replies
this
2022-05-05 18:37
They admitted to helping coach enter the bugged spot, also they all knew. Why punish only the coach and not ban the entire team. ESIC plainly stated they didn’t have the evidence or else they would
2022-05-05 18:38
8 replies
When did they admit that? Teses admitted to helping Hunden enter a bugged spot but claims he doesn't know what it was for. ESIC never said "they didn’t have the evidence or else they would" - that's just a lie. They said there wasn't enough evidence to give out any bans, but that's not the same as them saying that it's out there lol - it's them saying that they're innocent until proven guilty
2022-05-05 18:53
7 replies
#204
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Brazil Lok72
They did, Niko went as scapegoat, flag and scene really checks out
2022-05-05 20:00
6 replies
Do you have literally any evidence for that, or just "it's so obvious it must be true"?
2022-05-05 21:10
5 replies
on the heroic youtube channel, there's a video of cadian and the other guys crying on a couch explaining what happened, and how they knew, and trusted hunden to not repeat doing the bug again but he did behind their backs.
2022-05-05 22:37
4 replies
yeah they knew after the fact, which is a crucial distinction
2022-05-06 00:13
3 replies
#332
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Poland Hellp3r
So you think kid that play a game for 15k hours and literally knows everything about it doesnt get why would you help your coach use a bug? How stupid must you be xd
2022-05-06 07:46
1 reply
what? There's no evidence they knew he was cheating lol
2022-05-06 14:52
Maybe I phrased it wrong, they trusted him not to reoffend, they didn’t come forward, he did it again as in reoffended, and they again didn’t come forward. The distinction is they knew about the later uses.
2022-05-06 20:36
Cadian knew after the first time and has to be banned to do anything against it. To say nothing about a crime can be seen as committing the crime. And even after the second time, Cadian didn't do anything. As Moses stated in the past teams got banned for fewer things and actually, Cadian deserves 1-year ban in that perspective. Esic said they can't ban Cadian cuz they aren't allowed to do it by their contract.
2022-05-05 18:42
4 replies
"To say nothing about a crime can be seen as committing the crime." But this just isn't true? If you see someone steal and don't tell anyone then that's morally wrong, obviously, and you should be punished, but it doesn't make you a thief. So CadiaN isn't a cheater himself, but yeah if you think he should be punished for not coming forward then that's fair!
2022-05-05 18:51
3 replies
Bad analogy. If u see someone steal and do not intervene, you do not gain or lose anything. On the other hand, if ur coach is cheating and you are aware of that, then youre definitely supposed to be punished since you gained an unfair advantage
2022-05-05 20:35
2 replies
But they didn't know at the time—here's another analogy: If someone gives me a watch for my birthday and I later find out that they stole it, I would have benefited from the crime and morally I should come forward, but if I don't that doesn't make me a thief.
2022-05-05 21:09
1 reply
i find it hard to believe they did not know when in fact some(or all?) players helped hunden to get into a better position in order to have a better view across the map
2022-05-05 21:22
#202
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Brazil Lok72
Dont forget they obligated them to sign a silence disclosure
2022-05-05 19:59
3 replies
Yeah, which they never signed. And which was issued by the old management, so has literally no relevance to today
2022-05-05 21:10
2 replies
#272
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Brazil Lok72
came out many much time later you keep no scening
2022-05-05 21:14
1 reply
what?
2022-05-05 21:32
#50
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France MIK120
KEKW
2022-05-05 18:12
#54
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Brazil steamxvk
#freeapoka
2022-05-05 18:14
#55
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Poland mimsonqq
remember to ban skade for matchfix
2022-05-05 18:15
here we go again
2022-05-05 18:15
#62
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Hong Kong sti11fac
I hope they start to ban players who abuse the smoke glitch where u can randomly sometimes see players through smokes!
2022-05-05 18:19
4 replies
Aka every danish player since the bug was a thing. Let’s not forget the grand finals Astralis won against liquid because of map 3 inferno where Astralis got like 20 smoke kills and won 16-13
2022-05-05 18:21
2 replies
#89
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Hong Kong sti11fac
They use radar which is fine 👍 I mean this youtube.com/watch?v=KFC26O62_60
2022-05-05 18:31
game sense, get over it
2022-05-05 21:05
just valve fix
2022-05-05 20:20
Coach buggers gtfo of here. Its like walking in a street and someone drops something, u can be good guy and give it back to them or can be thief and steal!
2022-05-05 18:19
2 replies
#95
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Kuwait seca34958
but it's the governments fault for not installing teleportation devices on the floor that teleport it back into your pocket!!!!
2022-05-05 18:34
1 reply
Only in China it is! -social pts
2022-05-05 18:35
#71
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Fiji flpira
#freeapoka #freepeacemaker
2022-05-05 18:21
1 reply
freeguerri
2022-05-05 20:21
If peacemaker gets banned from the major the mibr excuse list will grow
2022-05-05 18:21
4 replies
LOL it’s already max words their excuse list can’t get any longer
2022-05-05 18:23
1 reply
Ahahahahaha i should have known
2022-05-05 18:25
peacemaker is Imperial's coach, not mibr lol
2022-05-05 19:50
1 reply
He was the coach of Mad Lions when they won against MIBR on Flashpoint
2022-05-05 21:19
An announcement of an announcement of an announcement
2022-05-05 18:27
#87
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Bulgaria ramkain
Dear ESIC, As a strong Bulgarian supporter of Skade I would like you to increase their share, so that they can win their "earnings" faster and retire with good $ before losing their reputation or go to jail due to incompetency of some of your staff. Regards, Ramkain
2022-05-05 18:29
#91
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Finland AliSabid
Damn
2022-05-05 18:30
who cars? esic is a failure
2022-05-05 18:31
esic like communism doesnt work
2022-05-05 18:32
here we go again, why anyone lets these failures do anything?
2022-05-05 18:36
1 reply
#206
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Brazil Lok72
Who let? Must be couple guys on payroll
2022-05-05 20:02
uh oh
2022-05-05 18:37
30 days per round?? LUL ESIC become a "prison free card of monopoly" ESIC a really shit show
2022-05-05 18:38
2 replies
I wonder on about the formula they "used", which is literally non-existent
2022-05-05 20:11
1 reply
I mean if they would say 30 tournament days ban so every tournament count for the ban then it would be fine. Imagine getting 90 tournament days bans... your career is over
2022-05-05 20:15
"...while for the third-person variant the coaches will be banned for 30 days per round in which they were found in the bug." 30 DAYS PER ROUND?!
2022-05-05 18:39
#109
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CIS Cresscent
ESIC is a joke
2022-05-05 18:41
1 reply
+1 a report with absolute void content. Seems that presumption of guilt is the new standard for punishment. Lots of innocent people being punished once again. Hopefully somebody stands up this time. In dubio pro reu RIP
2022-05-05 20:50
How hard is it to not cheat
2022-05-05 18:43
ESIC is a joke
2022-05-05 18:43
#113
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Sweden dascapo
Anyone thinks its Zonic?
2022-05-05 18:44
1 reply
lol?
2022-05-05 18:45
Ez4BIG
2022-05-05 18:48
hashtag free peacemaker main SOVA
2022-05-05 18:48
Peacemaker kkkkkkk
2022-05-05 18:48
get rid of coaches during matches if you need a fat 1.6 players cheering you on, you shouldn't be a pro player
2022-05-05 18:49
1 reply
Imo make it the opposite, make coaches call during the round, that'd be fun
2022-05-05 20:12
#126
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Albania aplasa
Malek Lol
2022-05-05 18:50
#129
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Brazil VictorRH
eita rayane
2022-05-05 18:52
A lot of cheaters in the comments lol
2022-05-05 18:55
1 reply
+1
2022-05-05 23:15
rip peacemaker main cypher
2022-05-05 18:56
#140
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Poland Kobel_
Good, every cheater should get punished
2022-05-05 18:57
Peacemaker LMAO
2022-05-05 18:57
#142
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United Kingdom craZy_y0
Damn, hopefully the demerits this time aren't as tight as Valve implied they were. Still sucks that Valve just straight up banned the coaches without seeing the other details which saw many of the other bans get reduced.
2022-05-05 19:00
this is actually one of the biggest news in 2022 and its sad because at least 3 team are fuck
2022-05-05 19:06
#149
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Russia HikZ
F peacemaker
2022-05-05 19:09
I hope Malek is not involved
2022-05-05 19:12
Everybody: Heroic are cheaters, HUNDEN ARE THE WORST" More than 100 coaches gets exposed: "Heroic are cheaters, HUNDEN ARE THE WORST"
2022-05-05 19:14
1 reply
flag
2022-05-05 19:20
"in a few weeks" -RL circa 2020
2022-05-05 19:15
#154
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Brazil drydden
Who cares about ESIC anyways?
2022-05-05 19:16
1 reply
valve...
2022-05-05 19:52
IMO this is completely ridiculous since they dont even have a PC by their sides in Major events nowadays
2022-05-05 19:20
3 replies
what? they are not getting banned out of fear of them cheating dude, they are getting banned as a punishment for earlier offense. Nobody cares if they will be clean at the Major, they cheated and now they get punished.
2022-05-05 19:23
2 replies
#183
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Brazil _Awper
apoka and guerri had the team comms, they didn't move their camera, but they both got banned by valve because ESIC only likes the spotlight of giving names without any research. They will do the same thing as last time, give 30 names, most of these guys will prove that they weren't cheating but the damage will be done already. ESIC is a joke.
2022-05-05 19:39
1 reply
#209
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Brazil Lok72
+1 Freeguerri Freeapoka Peacemaker honestly can frigg off
2022-05-05 20:05
#161
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Canada firtlast
peacemakkkkkkkkkkkker
2022-05-05 19:21
malek ban?
2022-05-05 19:22
3 replies
Oh no EG might lose form.
2022-05-05 19:23
2 replies
Hahahaha, good one.
2022-05-05 20:31
#312
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Other Quagmire_
Kekw
2022-05-05 23:11
#167
dav1d | 
Chile cap_
ooooooooooooooooof
2022-05-05 19:24
How about you share a stance on daily matchfixing going on in tier 2-3 scene???
2022-05-05 19:27
1 reply
+1
2022-05-05 22:21
Just don't cheat wankers
2022-05-05 19:29
By the way F*** Valve for not fixing this
2022-05-05 19:32
#177
Petra | 
Poland 138|
ye, again. They were talking same mad shit last time. The guy who was revieving demos was disappointed how esic handled it because they didnt ban most of coaches. Why is this different this time?
2022-05-05 19:35
#178
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Russia zykeNj
I think these idiots from ESIC should better to take care on matchfixing in pinncup and NA MDL shit, no?
2022-05-05 19:35
9 replies
Yeah, let's ignore all of that and focus on something else instead. Russian logic, eh?
2022-05-05 20:31
7 replies
#241
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Russia zykeNj
Do you think they will ban another 52 coaches? It will be very stupid since it will be all coaches of the rest of the teams. This coach bug thing should be already forgotten but ESIC still on it but this will make 0 sense. Better to go where's a REAL problem.
2022-05-05 20:33
6 replies
So abusing bugs and cheating aint real problems? I see.
2022-05-05 20:33
5 replies
#250
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Russia zykeNj
But noone doing this right now after the ban wave and in a right mind will not do again because it costs careers and future. Cheating yes, but I don't really think many PROs are cheating, only if some tournament provides a popular thing "TV" aka radarhack to one team as it was on LOOTBET cups. Also as rumors ECSTATIC, SKADE FIEND are known for doing this. Also NickelBack from Entropiq have said many times ECSTATIC were using it. Also w1nt3r from Unique said this to BIRDFROMSKY that they was doing this aswell, playing with radarhack, The cheating is a problem yeah and if I was an ESIC member I'd recommend to check out these teams\players on this. And the host GIRD which is known for providing some scam things.
2022-05-05 20:39
4 replies
Not some scam things but tons of weekly scam
2022-05-05 22:23
3 replies
#309
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Russia zykeNj
Scamming since 2018 :D "LootBet made for live bets!" Never gets old
2022-05-05 22:39
2 replies
Lootbet was not that disgusting Few times a year, while this grid shit we have almost every week only with pauses for major
2022-05-05 23:19
1 reply
#316
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Russia zykeNj
Can agree. These GRID fags got greedy, they also doing some "regional" pinncups aka Home Sweet Home with almost same format with tons of games. This spring they was doing bo1 shit before global pinncups xD It's really funny how they are trying to find a ways of scam people with their matches
2022-05-05 23:23
+1
2022-05-05 22:22
wut? so basically the whole scene cheated kek
2022-05-05 19:36
2 replies
Well this is nothing new whole scene is basically hackers vs hackers
2022-05-05 19:39
#186
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Brazil _Awper
Nope, they will give the names of anyone that was bugged at some point, even if they didn't know or cheated like guerri, roban and apoka
2022-05-05 19:41
They ban all Coaches and teams gotta play without
2022-05-05 19:39
Still waiting cheating bans to players this scene is joke
2022-05-05 19:40
This will really impact my pickems
2022-05-05 19:42
lmfao
2022-05-05 19:47
Peacemaker, saw and dastan, the three coach suspended (my opinion).
2022-05-05 19:54
1 reply
sAw? Bro he was an active player until the end of 2020, use your brain pls
2022-05-05 21:35
RIP HEROIC SPONSORS ONCE AGAIN
2022-05-05 19:58
oh come on...
2022-05-05 20:00
Instead of banning coaches for a BUG (valves fault), how about fixing your game and stop beating this dead horse. Can't happen if your game works properly.
2022-05-05 20:05
4 replies
NA logic.
2022-05-05 20:33
3 replies
Right that must be what it is. I can't even think of 50 teams and they've been naming off 100+ coaches, everyone was doing it, and it's on valve no matter how you wanna look at it
2022-05-05 21:07
he has a point tho, Valve has been told about it for years by multiple people, even by some of the coaches that have been banned and they didn't even reply to them.
2022-05-05 21:33
1 reply
So it's valid to abuse bugs because valve didn't/doesn't care? I mean, I don't even wanna take that away from you, it actually is a valid point, but only to a certain degree, because still, everyone's responsible for their own actions. You definitely have to blame valve for not fixing this, but also you have to blame the coaches and teams for abusing this bug, that's all I'm saying. Doing something wrong doesn't get validated by someone else ignoring it.
2022-05-07 11:28
Oh wow deserved bans incomig Waiting on names!
2022-05-05 20:07
#219
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Norway TheDEA
Yawn, Doubt it will be anything interesting. Some ex-hard legion or forze coaches.
2022-05-05 20:15
You really think this is the only cheating going on? :D
2022-05-05 20:15
"This Spectator Bug Variant affects 47 participants who were not amongst the 37 charged in 2020. " Does that mean that there are 47 more coaches that weren't banned LOL? And 47 Coaches third-person bug abuse that has not been banned by ESIC before? So many Coaches KEKW
2022-05-05 20:31
4 replies
apparently yes, RIP coaching scene lul only zonic, B1ad3 and XTQZZZ left
2022-05-05 21:32
3 replies
XTQZZZ was abusing the bug in Inferno no? And they somehow hide that case so he went silent?
2022-05-05 21:58
2 replies
where did you hear that?
2022-05-05 21:59
1 reply
There was a tweet with a Video in Youtube that he abused the bug on Inferno CT side on top of the B bomb. Also, we don't know yet if maybe one of those 3 can be banned also.
2022-05-05 22:08
pull the carpet! pull the carpet, james! We can't let Imperial kick ass in this Major... ESIC: ok
2022-05-05 20:34
why are they doing it now, less than a week until major.
2022-05-05 20:37
1 reply
"why isn't esic releasing the info" "why is esic releasing the info right before the major" "why did esic wait after the major to ban these cheaters" can't win with you bozos
2022-05-05 23:58
so everybody cheated except zonic while Astralis was the best?
2022-05-05 20:41
2 replies
B1ad3 and XTQZZZ didn't cheat as well
2022-05-05 21:30
1 reply
so basically best ones did not cheat and cheaters could not win? *queue SUS sound*
2022-05-05 22:02
Even Malek lol
2022-05-05 20:48
#256
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Finland Tusku
heroic: *cheats* borup: i dont want any part in this, *leaves* heroic: *gets caught* also heroic: *gets no repercussions, becomes tier 1 team* borup: wtf
2022-05-05 20:59
2 replies
Did you even read the article? maLeK cheated - most likely while in G2
2022-05-05 21:13
1 reply
#306
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Finland Tusku
honestly i didnt, i wonder where he lands on the guerri-zoner -scale
2022-05-05 22:29
#261
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Portugal dracø
here we go again.. meanwhile pinnacle cup still going on xD
2022-05-05 21:05
2 replies
Pinnacle is legit. I did my own research.
2022-05-05 21:36
+1
2022-05-05 22:26
#267
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France d0py
who cares about coach bug what does esic do about all these fixed tier4 matches and whole pinnacle cup. turn a blind eye?
2022-05-05 21:10
6 replies
I care
2022-05-05 21:34
+1
2022-05-05 22:25
"who cares about coach bug" Say what? What the fuck are you talking about?! Ofc we care! It's called CHEATING!
2022-05-06 11:39
3 replies
#359
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France d0py
akuma? no reaction fixed tier3 matches? no reaction 4-15 throw and the leader gets new expensive skins with 7 days tradeban on them few minutes after? no reaction some coach discovered a bug? LETS BAN HIM also in the spirit case the coach got stucked and gained no useful information so he got banned just like that for no reason...
2022-05-06 16:10
2 replies
"fixed tier3 matches? no reaction" That just seems like a ridiculous argument to me when people are doing it at tier1 level... Are you serious? So you think fixed tier 3 matches are worst than abusing a bug for 6 years at the very top-level of pro-CS?! Is that what you're saying to me?
2022-05-09 12:52
1 reply
#373
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France d0py
abusing? abusing? he got stucked in it accidentally for 1 round, he didnt take anything from it that could benefit his team and hes getting banned for "using the bug". what are you on
2022-05-09 18:16
hope no top 15 team gets affected by this
2022-05-05 21:47
hell yeah lets go
2022-05-05 21:47
wtf 134 coaches i can't even name 134 teams
2022-05-05 21:50
When will the 3 banned major coaches be revealed?
2022-05-05 22:15
1 reply
#345
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Czech Republic fykseN1g
Spirit coach hally was announced few minutes ago on twitter
2022-05-06 11:53
Maybe finally check GRID events instead of watching 2020 thing Everyday they rob people, while no one cares
2022-05-05 22:25
2 replies
no one is forcing you to bet on shady tier 3 leagues. literal cheating in tier 1 games is more important, the fact that i have to explain this is pretty sad.
2022-05-05 22:49
1 reply
Real t1 games played on lan, no coach bug there
2022-05-05 23:19
#307
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Finland OttoRocks
"All of so-called esport authorities like ESIC or CSPPA are just a bunch of amateur video game players that somehow claim to be some sort of legal expert or worker union organizer. It is as serious as a comedy show. What a joke. Anyone who takes these orgs seriously is utterly stupid." We have two organisations that don't care about the players and coaches and those are valve and esic. Valve don't fix known bug in 7 years and the other is extorting people always around big events; How noble to get bigger coverage and justify 2 YEAR investigation, more funding I guess to extort more people. Fun fact some of the coaches could have served vac ban (5 years) and be, eligible to play and coach, but can now get banned something from 7 years ago. Ofc its wrong to cheat, but in my eyes all these are bad actors, no wonder cs:go sircus runs on saudi money.
2022-05-05 22:35
#311
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China RADNIKEY
This is some timing
2022-05-05 23:05
who cares? ESIC is a joke, announcing incoming bans, investigasions, and then they disappear
2022-05-05 23:37
#320
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India slavloli
but...but....it was supposed to be only heroic, my team didn't cheat. STFU ESIC -heroic haters rn
2022-05-06 00:10
perfect now they proved once again that they are even more clowns that I thought they already are.... waiting so long to NOT EVEN PUBLISH names ? are you fucking serious? I swear at this POINT i think ESIC is in with them...... Honestly this scene is so shady.. Also please get your shit together in terms of the matchfixing cases. You didn't realease any information since years..... on a daily shady and fishy stuff is happening ( odd shift) etc.... Come on actually do something and try to improve the community and scene. BTW 30 days for 1 Round is a joke. This basically shows they are not even punishing that much -> leads to people and "players" to continue doing shady stuff cause the punishment isn't that much...
2022-05-06 00:31
2 replies
Valve are definitely harsh on this compare to ESIC. They gave guerri a five major ban. Every coach is getting a minimum of 1 major ban no matter if they use the bug in one round or not.
2022-05-06 03:54
1 reply
yeah but honestly they should invest time in actually fixing the game instead of releasing new cases every operation... like honestly as if they do not have enough money already...
2022-05-06 14:33
only taken like 3 years lol pathetic
2022-05-06 03:06
Why im not surprised that Fraudmaker is on the list
2022-05-06 04:01
Does this even make sense anymore? It's so disconnected from the fact time-wise that it's insane... it's also disproportional, because the ones that got punished early got the worst of it in terms of reputation.
2022-05-06 06:09
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#334
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Finland OttoRocks
Well if there would be any justice, prosecutions would be made in timely fashion and there would be different entity to appeal to. These clowns are playing judge, jury and executioner; If cs scene would want to have any integrity they would axe this and get better system. Copy from any other major sport where there is different entities reviewing evidence and holding all parties accountable to set rules. ”Is the ESIC a third-party integrity operator? To be clear, The Esports Integrity Commission is not a third-party entity. Despite being labeled as a not-for-profit organization, the ESIC requires a buy-in from tournament organizers based on a percentage of a member’s largest yearly prize pool yearly as a membership fee." Oh yeah and there is this bias on rulings.
2022-05-06 08:44
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Very lucid commentary. +1
2022-05-06 18:18
Jesus christ, after reading some of the comments here I can only conclude that some of you really need something going on in your lives besides counterstrike. Also sounds like some people have a legit psychosis, your grip on reality is loosening up because of T2 counterstrike tournament like pinnacle. Who is the mastermind sitting in a dark room, sending messages to organizations, players, coaches, admins to "ok, you will now lose this game 14-16"? I'm serious, google the meaning of psychosis and get help.
2022-05-06 06:29
so tis why gob was announced outta nowhere as a coach maybe ?? #speculation
2022-05-06 06:46
doing this shit week before the major.....way to kill the game wp
2022-05-06 09:25
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#358
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Brazil syncme
This. They should have done it when it was discovered months ago, not 3 days before the major. Doing this way seem like you just want to fuck with certain teams there weren't even using the bug, but because they hired the wrong person.
2022-05-06 15:59
This. Literally sabotaging the tournament.
2022-05-06 18:18
If i was ESIC i would drop the report the day before the Major starts just to fuck with people! Then i would just lay back and see it all burst into flames!
2022-05-06 11:35
Hunden took the fall for the whole industry. What a joke :)
2022-05-06 12:36
how about doing real impact bans? at least 3 years and every dollar of prizemoney, sponsormoney hast to be payed back. normal cheats should have to pay aswell because there impact is massive, pepole dont play or buy a game because there sick of cheater.
2022-05-06 12:45
I remember I think an online blast game G2 post match interview, maybe late 2020. Potter asked KennyS, why did you guys suddenly turn away in spawn late round clutch, how did you know something else was happening (don't recall precise set up but the team suddenly changed behaviour seemingly out of the blue). KennyS saidd "I don't know what you're talking about" but looked super guilty. It was SUS af and I knew since then G2 must have been walling or something. Later coach bug was revealed and I expected matter of time for G2 and malek to be implicated.
2022-05-06 13:50
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#374
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Finland iroc_xano
shit man
2022-05-16 11:19
valve should disregard anything this joke of ESIC says
2022-05-06 14:36
ei ESIC, vtnc!
2022-05-06 15:44
what a freaking joke
2022-05-06 16:12
ESIC MAFIA
2022-05-06 18:02
#371
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Germany judgeeCS
bro malek?
2022-05-07 12:42
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