ESIC hand notices of charge to peacemaker, hally, zakk*

The governing body has revealed the first three names who will receive bans for involvement with the use of one of the three variants of the coaching bug.

- Final sanctions are not yet public
- Based on previous cases, zakk and hally are facing up to 5 months
- peacemaker potentially facing up to a 2-year ban

Update 19:10 : PGL have confirmed that Valve has made the decision to ban the three coaches from the Antwerp Major.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has issued three notices of charge, to current Imperial coach Luis "⁠peacemaker⁠" Tadeu, Spirit coach Sergey "⁠hally⁠" Shavaev, and 9z coach Rafael "⁠zakk⁠" Fernandes, based on findings which link the three coaches with the use of the infamous spectator bug dating back to 2018-2020.

The trio have been provisionally suspended from ESIC member events and they have been notified of an intended sanction, the length or seriousness of which is yet to be made public and which is also still subject to a final decision by ESIC.

The watchdog has stressed that PGL and Valve are not members of ESIC, and as such, ESIC did not have jurisdiction to make a decision relating to the coaches' participation at PGL Major Antwerp.

Due to using the free-roam version of the coaching bug, deemed as equal to cheating by ESIC, peacemaker could be facing a career-ending ban

Valve and PGL have yet to comment on the situation, but it is clear that the three coaches have been barred from participating at the Belgian event with their teams as well, with Spirit and 9z having confirmed as much earlier on Friday in statements about the situation.

According to ESIC, hally and zakk were found to have encountered the static spectator bug (the same version that saw 37 coaches banned in September 2020) for one round in the Russian's case (representing Espada) and one and a half rounds across two matches in the Brazilian's case (representing 9z and Luminosity).

ESIC has stated that it will use the same sanction matrix that it used back in September 2020 when dealing with cases involving the static bug. According to that and similar cases from the previous ban wave, hally and zakk would be subject to up to a 5-month ban, without taking into account potential concessions.

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peacemaker was found to have used the free-roam version during one round of a 2018 match between Heroic and Imperial. This variant of the bug was deemed as the most serious by ESIC and warranting the use of a sanction equal to cheating, which is up to 24 months.

In explaining its stance, the governing body has stated that the outcome of gaining an unfair advantage did not play a factor in the decision, meaning that it did not matter whether the team in question actually used the information gained while the coach was in the bug. The potential for exploitation and the fact that the people involved "did not act in an appropriate manner" when they experienced the bug was enough to warrant sanctions.

Many more notices of charge are expected to come soon, as a combined 134 people have been identified as "participants" in the three variants of the coaching bug (including the 37 previously banned). These three coaches were likely singled out due to the upcoming PGL Major Antwerp, in which they were meant to participate.

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cheaters deserved
2022-05-06 18:02
98 replies
3 days before the major
2022-05-06 18:02
66 replies
#45
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
Nice ESIC being the judge jury and executioner why are the coaches not given a chance to defend themselves properly ????
2022-05-06 18:11
64 replies
why should valve start listening to cheaters?
2022-05-06 18:12
52 replies
#51
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
what if they didnt cheat
2022-05-06 18:13
31 replies
what if there's video evidence
2022-05-06 18:13
30 replies
#56
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
what if they can dispute it
2022-05-06 18:14
28 replies
why should valve start listening to cheaters?
2022-05-06 18:14
25 replies
#59
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Ukraine I_say_Ok
what if we get banned for useless comment tree
2022-05-06 18:14
2 replies
New World Order. Comply!! :/
2022-05-06 21:27
1 reply
#357
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Slovakia Adwarin
+1
2022-05-07 03:46
and who determines that they are guilty? Apoka, the former mibr coach was banned, for one round, and he showed the round. We can hear him asking what's going on and people saying that he was just waiting for it to go back to normal at the end of the round, and that happened, he stayed the whole round stopped at base. ESIC only banned him for a short period, but valve just didn't care or even read anything the result of the ESIC lawsuit, but valve keeps him banned from all majors, including doing broadcasts, or participating in others.
2022-05-06 18:55
13 replies
#174
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Poland RoDaK
this is disgracefull for valve
2022-05-06 19:14
8 replies
man, it's so clear that he's innocent, we can clearly see that in the third clip he's going through the third person bug for the first time and didn't know what to do, in the fourth he already knew, he wasn't startled and he just stared at short
2022-05-06 19:55
7 replies
I am not saying he is innocent. He is not innocent at all, lol! and btw, why is some people saying that it was knife round on the first video? xDDDDD it was pistol round and it made a lot of impact what he was able to see.
2022-05-06 20:39
3 replies
Tell me 9z kicked your favorite team's ass in IEM without telling me 9z kicked your favorite team's ass in IEM
2022-05-08 20:09
2 replies
tell me you support cheaters without being ashamed of that
2022-05-08 20:54
1 reply
I'd be ashamed of supporting cheaters if I actually supported them, what you people don't seem (or don't want) to understand is that nobody's saying he doesn't deserve to be punished if he abused the coaching bug (which is something that is currently in dispute by the way), we criticize the fact that he was banned 3 days before the Major started, and not months ago as it should've been. Let that sink in your head for a minute and you'll understand it... if you're able to, of course.
2022-05-09 05:13
on those clips you can say that hally is 100% innocent and zakk is a cheater, in the first clip he turn his view to the wall but after that decided to take a look at heaven and after that he was staring if any CT is pushing short. Second clip was on a site basically. 3rd clip he was peeking corners with 3rd person bug - clearly. 4th clip - yeah, he did nothing there.
2022-05-06 21:02
2 replies
First clip he is coaching the CT side, not the T side. He sees nothing B short, and 9Z stacks B site with 4 (most probably a default from them, as many teams do). The level of evidence from ESIC is so low, that in any serious place where law is practiced it would be laughed at.
2022-05-06 22:09
1 reply
oh sorry, my bad here, still he was holding short in first match. As much as i love brazilian cs, i cant see him being innocent
2022-05-06 23:13
+1
2022-05-06 19:37
#216
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Brazil Amassado
+1
2022-05-06 19:40
#358
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Slovakia Adwarin
+1
2022-05-07 03:49
#230
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Luxembourg kindo
vsm and Jamppi were banned from majors but they didn't cheat at all, and now they are unbanned. wb now?
2022-05-06 19:50
6 replies
They got a vac ban, what do you mean they didn't cheat?
2022-05-06 20:04
5 replies
#258
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Luxembourg kindo
yes but in both cases before they went pro. both had 12-13 yo when they got vac banned. does it mean they still cheat? no. hence why they got unbanned by valve
2022-05-06 20:33
4 replies
They weren't unbanned. They were allowed to participate in majors 5 years after the ban had occured. You could say, they were banned for 5 years. But those were players, valve seems to crack down on coaches harder.
2022-05-06 20:56
3 replies
#276
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Luxembourg kindo
no they weren't banned for 5 years only because when they became pros, if you got a vac ban you'd get permanently banned from majors. only in 2020 they changed it to 5 years. and what was a perma ban for them became an unbanning since they got their vac bans for more than 5 years. so even if that same regulation of 5 years after vac ban applied since always, they'd be already free when they became pro. 🤷
2022-05-06 21:02
2 replies
ok
2022-05-06 21:07
1 reply
#284
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Luxembourg kindo
ok
2022-05-06 21:07
valve didn't do anything esic did and I think they got banned because they didn't come forward and say they encounter the bug and now "using" it was literally 1 round and they resolved it if a coach encounted a bug then fixes it they still get banned which is nonsense
2022-05-08 13:44
Why haven't they come forward long time ago and said something about it, totally deserved, every coach shoud be banned days before major($$$$$$)
2022-05-07 20:46
1 reply
#439
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Brazil ArthurFz1
But for example, imperial and Spirit, the coatches arrived in this years in both teams, the organization and the players coudnt know, theyre being seriously prejudicated. Its not to just doing hate everywhere, imagine being a player at imperial ir Spirit right now. Esic should ban before the qualifiers started, or just after the major.
2022-05-13 03:54
Of 1 round of an unintentional bug
2022-05-07 05:45
#93
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Argentina Saazu
Bug is not the same as cheat. What about the smoke bug? Where you can see whats behind/in the smoke, for example when there is a molly behind it. Should we punish players for taking the kill with that bug? Where do you draw the line? Abusing the bug, like trying to find out how to do it and doing it constantly, is not the same to suddently finding yourself floating in the map and not really knowing how to react.
2022-05-06 18:26
10 replies
don't bother arguing with a baiter man, it's not worth it
2022-05-06 18:30
+1
2022-05-06 18:38
if you abuse a bug you are cheating, and smokes are a game feature
2022-05-06 20:42
7 replies
Bugs are also a game feature pretty much, whats your point
2022-05-06 21:04
3 replies
you have no brain
2022-05-06 21:06
2 replies
''I fix any t1 roster'' Faze : -rain Ironic huh?
2022-05-06 21:11
#346
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Australia Sify
so do you
2022-05-07 01:19
BIG abused the jump bug, i don't remember if it was at the major or another big event but they got to playoffs while abusing the bug and nothing happened to them, they even used it after they agreed that they would stop using it.
2022-05-06 23:35
2 replies
It was at pgl major in 2017 I believe. They reached semi finals and lost to immortals with KNG yelling "você eh fraco" across the stadium. ESIC is a fucking joke. I cannot take those fuckers seriously, they are pathetic. Even when the coach proves they encountered the bug but did not take advantage, they got banned (guerri for example).
2022-05-06 23:47
1 reply
Yea, i even made a video at the time cus they beat SK and went on twitter to brag about beating SK without using the bug but they used it haha youtube.com/watch?v=-NgeaVGeSro
2022-05-07 03:53
only the free roaming bug is deemed "cheating" by ESIC
2022-05-06 18:29
15 year old's take on the justice system, imagine one day the cops stormed your house and claimed you were under arrest for theft and that the trial had already concluded and you could do nothing to prove your innocence, this is how ESIC operates
2022-05-06 18:31
3 replies
well said
2022-05-06 18:38
I understand that everyone should be given a chance before being banned (the Australian betting scandal was fucked up), but how can you handle 134 trials all at once?
2022-05-06 23:32
1 reply
#345
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Poland Astoner55
Spunj in today's hltv confirmed episode said it best regarding this question. He said that if ESIC doesn't have enough resources to handle this situation right, then maybe they shouldn't be the judges in the first place. Handling 134 trials at once is a hell of a challenge, of course. But it has to be done. If they can't do it (tbh they seem to be unable to do anything at all, all evidence regarding today's news were given to them on march 2021, it took them 14 months to just announce it lol), then let somebody else handle it, somebody that has the resources to do it right.
2022-05-07 01:16
everyone is innocent until proven otherwise, who are you to judge someone without giving the right of defense???? this is a crime of slander you accuser...
2022-05-06 19:29
2 replies
there's video evidence
2022-05-06 20:12
1 reply
but it's a matter of interpretation and they violated their right of defense...
2022-05-07 21:45
#324
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Barbados n1ss
seen the vids? or just talking shit out of nowhere?
2022-05-06 23:31
#55
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Poland EZ4Bard
There is nothing to defend
2022-05-06 18:13
There's not much you can do in order to defend yourself anyway, because ESIC does not apply a "beyond reasonable doubt" standard nor a "Presumption of Innocence". If there's a probability you cheated, you'll be punished. Many innocent were convicted together with cheaters in the first wave and it will happen again. ESIC is a joke, and the punishment for ACTUAL cheaters should be LIFE BAN. But for that you have to have an ACTUAL investigation.
2022-05-06 18:18
2 replies
Unless you are playing for heroic
2022-05-06 18:35
1 reply
Or Big abusing the jump, in which case they may even allow the bug if the responsible team is sufficiently white and European.
2022-05-07 01:46
Defend yourself from this video proof of you abusing this bug,... What are the gonna say "it wasnt me?"
2022-05-06 19:55
1 reply
The bug itself means absolutely nothing. The only thing that really matters is who used it to gain unfair advantage. Meaning who in fact used and communicated the information that the bug allowed. You can not say that a person that used the information is the same as the person who didn't. One is a piece of shit person, deserving a LIFE BAN, while the other just happened to experience a bug in the game. The moral implications are quite different, and pretty obvious.
2022-05-06 22:15
because it doesnt matter. if the cheat was less blatent then maybe they can explain but they had wall hacks, it just doesnt matter what they commed at that point they still got extra insights regardless of if they gave a live play by play for there team.
2022-05-06 21:52
"Nice ESIC being the judge jury and executioner" - Valve backed their decision, as well as TO's, if TO's didn't agree with ESIC, they wouldn't pass through punishments or uphold them? Dogwater take. "why are the coaches not given a chance to defend themselves properly ????" - They literally are, you are clueless repeating shit you've read on twitter and reddit without doing a shred of research
2022-05-07 01:19
The proof is irrefutable. Nothing they say can change this.
2022-05-07 16:41
2 replies
this bug isn't like the last one you don't get in by a exploit its randomly triggered and coaches leave after 1 round a coach even left mid-round and he still got banned for it coaches are trained to not bother players once the round is life and contact the admin after spunj said it himself on hltv confirmed
2022-05-08 13:35
1 reply
Ban valve... Thx for explanation
2022-05-10 23:01
should have been 1 hour before it
2022-05-06 19:40
Are you talking about Heroic?
2022-05-06 18:03
3 replies
f0rsaken obviously from his flag
2022-05-06 18:06
Is there even a single Brazilian coach that hasn't been cheating?
2022-05-06 19:03
1 reply
me
2022-05-06 20:42
cheat is different than bug
2022-05-06 18:06
19 replies
bug abuse is still cheating. peacemaker is done, finally.
2022-05-06 18:08
18 replies
He didn't abuse. Trainers like hunden abused it, he discovered the bug, how to do it and then abused it. Peacemaker had only 1 round and wasn't pushing it. And giving the ban 72hrs from the major is just joking with the teams.
2022-05-06 18:13
17 replies
wtf are you high!? He did waaaaay more than that!
2022-05-06 18:16
15 replies
Go check the twitter, they only punished him for 1 single round, in heroic vs imperial.
2022-05-06 18:19
9 replies
Man, look at what peacemaker did. Heroic should be banned aswell, not only peacemaker. youtube.com/watch?v=2pMudtTVKjs
2022-05-06 18:25
8 replies
wtf are you saying, he only used 1 round then he left. do you think that is reason to ban someone, when it is a bug, first of all that bug should never exist, is valve's fault. Exploiting that bug is a reason for ban like hunden did. Now that this ESIC discovered the bug they think they can do whatever they want. And ban coaches from the major 72h before the event starts. This is just disrespectful and valve applause.
2022-05-06 19:09
7 replies
The guy was flying around the map watching the other team. Doesn't matter if it is 1 round or 10. Yeah banning the coaches 72h before the event is not right.... but still the coach and heroic cheated..... you can see that he clearly follow the players in the video...
2022-05-06 19:30
6 replies
2 years for 1 round, this is absolutelly not fair
2022-05-06 21:44
4 replies
yeh hes brazilian he should go free
2022-05-06 21:53
3 replies
I dont care if he is punished, but 2 years because he experienced a different version of the bug is bs
2022-05-06 21:59
2 replies
have you seen the vid. he didnt just not reset he actively moved and exploited the bug to watch the bomb for ninjas and peak ahead of angles.
2022-05-06 22:04
1 reply
A lot of guys turned around on the fixed cam bug to see the map. They just werent bugged in a more dangerous way. Peacemaker is effectively more punished because he bugged on a different way.
2022-05-06 22:33
wtf are you taking about he was watching his own team are you dumb?
2022-05-08 13:38
#77
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Brazil _Awper
He was in the bug for one round, he moved his camera for some seconds, but left the game before the round was done when he could easily see where the enemies were saving instead.
2022-05-06 18:20
4 replies
#306
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Ukraine lua_
2022-05-06 22:19
3 replies
#344
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Brazil _Awper
Exactly what I just wrote lol
2022-05-07 01:09
2 replies
get over it fanboi. He is gone!
2022-05-07 11:27
#396
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Ukraine lua_
Buddy, his career is over.
2022-05-07 17:02
1 round can change an entire match because that might mean the team will have to eco/force the next round ruining their entire eco
2022-05-06 19:10
#57
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Brazil Lok72
heroic will be punished?
2022-05-06 18:14
4 replies
if a team was punished, it was heroic. the entire community went on a witchhunt on the players. the players in this scandal havent been mentioned once. i wonder why
2022-05-07 10:14
3 replies
#393
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Brazil Lok72
Heroic Akuma Chaos (wont even list matchfix teams) all deserve punishment but none will get
2022-05-07 16:02
2 replies
chaos was just better then the washed mibr didn't cheat in anyway they grinded to pro league then esl kicked the org out and killed NA the same played even preform on c9 xeppa unlucky we couldn't see leaf but he's playing val now at the top level mibr with wood7 is better than that team
2022-05-08 13:41
1 reply
#426
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Brazil Lok72
they cheated against team one also, you didnt even watch the matches, GTFO
2022-05-08 15:39
#181
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Yugoslavia Acceb
My simple still playing
2022-05-06 19:19
Not cheaters, hally was coaching for 4 months, he didnt even trigger the bug on purpose, he also gained absolutely no advantage from it, and once the round was over he called a tech timeout and got the bug fixed. Not deserved
2022-05-07 04:13
#2
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Spain gonzalocaba
ESIC 🤡
2022-05-06 18:00
1 reply
Their sentencing logic is worse than the gold Novas in the csgo overwatch system, at least they have "beyond a reasonable doubt"...
2022-05-06 18:43
lunatics
2022-05-06 18:00
GG
2022-05-06 18:00
es0c
2022-05-06 18:01
#6
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Poland szuleek
clowns
2022-05-06 18:01
clowns
2022-05-06 18:01
#8
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Brazil talesmarqs
congratulations for doing everything wrong ESIC !!!!
2022-05-06 18:01
7 replies
Lulzil. No wonder you made it to the major LUL
2022-05-06 18:48
6 replies
#243
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Brazil TiagoQc
its was 2 years ago, clown
2022-05-06 20:15
4 replies
Mald more xiter kkkkkkkkkkkk Hope u don't cheat just like u did in cologne 2017 final
2022-05-06 21:06
3 replies
ohoho someone is mad about a championship that happened 5 years ago and SK totally destroyed his team xD
2022-05-06 23:33
2 replies
Not a championship when you cheat Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2022-05-07 11:47
1 reply
#410
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Sweden dogtown
Lol imagine getting this excited over a boring coach ban. You must be bored in life kid.
2022-05-07 22:43
0/8
2022-05-06 20:19
meme
2022-05-06 18:02
They should find more important job to do.
2022-05-06 18:02
#11
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Australia B_Tannen
Peacemaker strikes again.
2022-05-06 18:02
#12
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Germany at0myq
axaxaxaxaxaxaxax
2022-05-06 18:02
#14
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Brazil davidthall
peacemaker new streamer lets gooooooo
2022-05-06 18:02
what are they smoking
2022-05-06 18:02
peacemaker lmfao
2022-05-06 18:02
#FREEZAKK #FREEHALLY #FREEPEACEMAKER
2022-05-06 18:03
1 reply
peacemaker es un burro, literalmente se movio para ver a los rivales
2022-05-06 23:57
what a joke. Yet to see what peacemaker have to say about his clip but the 9z coach punishment is a joke tbh
2022-05-06 18:03
1 reply
havent watched the 9z demo but 1 round of what peacemaker did more than warents a 1 year ban
2022-05-06 21:55
clowns
2022-05-06 18:03
Why even have head coaches at this point? It seems like over 100 head coaches have been found guilty lol.
2022-05-06 18:04
ESIC 🤡
2022-05-06 18:04
#23
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Antigua and Barbuda Obuz8
Disband ESIC
2022-05-06 18:04
ESIC clowns 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
2022-05-06 18:04
"career ending ban" - guerri should be laughing hard right now
2022-05-06 18:04
#26
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Portugal r1cannabiz
Almost one day after the deadline the teams had to register a substitute for coaches, if this is was not intentional I am a Opel Corsa 2011
2022-05-06 18:04
5 replies
Nice car
2022-05-06 18:06
1 reply
#41
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Portugal r1cannabiz
Rule reliable 10/10
2022-05-06 18:09
Lmao
2022-05-06 19:21
#188
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Germany LANDWHALE
Oh damn, finally someone on HLTV who actually car
2022-05-06 19:22
lol
2022-05-06 19:25
#27
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Luxembourg fowkingell
Can we please get rid of ESIC already... what a bunch of clowns
2022-05-06 18:05
#28
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Denmark Rubix__
another team will disband coz of peacemaker he is breaker of teams..bye bye imperial
2022-05-06 18:05
3 replies
#170
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United Kingdom Enticles!
came here looking to say something similar Troublemaker strikes again!
2022-05-06 19:10
1 reply
#359
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Denmark Rubix__
lol nice name troublemaker..sound like harrypotter "marauder" map
2022-05-07 03:53
Fallen and Fer linked to another coach using the coach bug
2022-05-06 19:25
What a joke, how can you ban coaches 3 days before the major, how does ESIC not understand that this should be done before the RMR? It almost seems surreal that such stupid people are in control over such an important investigation.
2022-05-06 18:06
2 replies
#96
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Brazil Lok72
+1 why dont do before RMR wait for them to classify on LANS without bug and proceed to shitting esic is a shame
2022-05-06 18:26
but it's not a serious investigation, it was probably a geek who spent the day on twitter that concluded the trial
2022-05-06 18:58
#34
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World Tenshi_R
others must be paid esic to be named after major
2022-05-06 18:06
What a shit job ESIC has done to this game. They wait to revela it one week before the Major so coaches can't prove their innocence. This is bullshit
2022-05-06 18:06
Deseverd, but maybe coud've released that statement before roster's lock for the major, so teams could have changed coaches
2022-05-06 18:08
1 reply
+1 but i don't think they deserve the same ban, peacemaker was too much, zakk don't do practically nothing and hally do nothing
2022-05-07 00:00
Full dodiki, 5 months because of 1 round, clowns
2022-05-06 18:10
1 reply
#372
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Russia T1mbl_4
A huli nam, contore 3,14dora_SAW ;3
2022-05-07 09:54
#40
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Qatar olaolakaka
ESIC has done nothing but harm to the scene, just disband already
2022-05-06 18:09
3 replies
#91
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Brazil Lok72
+1
2022-05-06 18:25
If they actually caught cheaters I see no problem in banning them just days before the major.
2022-05-06 21:26
1 reply
It is not cheating. Most of the coaches getting banned there was no malice, they did not do better in the game. For example, one major, BiG used jump crouch bug where they could spot over walls like inferno car wall without getting spotted back. They used this for multiple games, then a few other teams used it before finally coming to a 'gentlemans agreement' to not use the bug anymore. noone was banned, noone punished and that was for malice.
2022-05-07 06:15
#42
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Australia poppyxox
so lovely to watch kiddies bawl over bans that dont even affect them
2022-05-06 18:09
esl esic birds of a shit feather flock together
2022-05-06 18:10
Clowns
2022-05-06 18:10
Actual Clowns holy
2022-05-06 18:12
#48
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Argentina fedezera
Clowns
2022-05-06 18:13
#49
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Portugal FAMthebest
extremely stupid to do this right before the major. ESIC are a bunch of idiots. They literally just want to be the spotlight.
2022-05-06 18:13
1 reply
#90
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Brazil Lok72
+1 scumbag org
2022-05-06 18:25
at this point just ban coaches from interfering in games
2022-05-06 18:13
#52
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Russia r4jkkYNWA
Clowns
2022-05-06 18:13
#60
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Germany at0myq
WAIT WTF, they "ban" these 3 now but there are more getting banned? Why not wait after major if Valve and PGL are not working with ESIC.
2022-05-06 18:14
''In his statement @ESIC_Official comments that it is not necessary that there be proof that the bug was used to obtain information, but that the mere possibility of this happening is enough. If a bug occurs, it must be resolved quickly and immediately as added at the end.'' Clowns.
2022-05-06 18:14
1 reply
Thats just logical thinking, maybe you will get there sometime
2022-05-06 18:38
#62
b1t | 
Uruguay T0NG4
#FreeZakk
2022-05-06 18:15
racists, only want the brazilians ! get all or none
2022-05-06 18:16
1 reply
Cry is free
2022-05-06 19:40
>3 years ago >1 round >got no advantage out of it >reconnected to fix it shortly after >up to 5 months sure why not
2022-05-06 18:17
1 reply
xd what idiots
2022-05-06 18:42
ESIC is such a joke, boycott this guys
2022-05-06 18:17
3 replies
flag and flair checks out
2022-05-06 18:18
1 reply
#85
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Brazil Lok72
yours also
2022-05-06 18:24
#86
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Brazil Lok72
for yesterday useless
2022-05-06 18:24
#67
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Brazil _Awper
This is a joke! ESIC is judging and executing at the same time, coaches have no right to defend themselves and ESIC knows this for more than a year already! Again no ESL partners were banned, couldn't be a coincidence, right? (Guerri= Furia was not a partner at the time and Robban was not in Faze)
2022-05-06 18:17
#68
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Brazil jmario
Clowns
2022-05-06 18:18
Lmao Brazil going crazy on esic's twitter feed, imagine stanning for peacemaker holy shit.
2022-05-06 18:19
4 replies
+1 the most overrated coach of all time kekw
2022-05-06 18:19
1 reply
#109
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Brazil Lok72
that must be valen
2022-05-06 18:30
#83
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Brazil Lok72
in fact we more upset about guerri than warmaker but making statement three days before is bullshit destabilizes the team
2022-05-06 18:24
1 reply
Who cares, don't cheat, and don't support it either. Sad.
2022-05-06 18:26
lmao so many malding brazilians and argentinians kekw ty esic for endless entertainment
2022-05-06 18:19
17 replies
#78
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Poland Berbe123
Np liquid will do 0 3 even with coach
2022-05-06 18:20
12 replies
polak scene XAXAXAXAXXAXA stay mad liquid will smash everyone in contenders and legend and make top 8 at major, polaks where?
2022-05-06 18:22
11 replies
#82
Petra | 
Poland 138|
polak top1 you will see
2022-05-06 18:23
6 replies
cope harder
2022-05-06 18:24
1 reply
#89
Petra | 
Poland 138|
i dont know what cope means but im pretty sure polak top1
2022-05-06 18:25
Polaks are polite and respect other regions just like Taz set an example/ golden 5 +1 major NA flukest region + 1 fluke major Respect other regions aswell alienated kid
2022-05-06 19:08
3 replies
#270
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Poland Berbe123
Honestly, i cheer for imperial on the upcoming major, want to see fallen on the big stage again
2022-05-06 20:54
#280
Petra | 
Poland 138|
ok
2022-05-06 21:06
lol “alienated kid” Google Translate joke of the day. Curious how you even got from citizenship to an insult
2022-05-12 19:25
2 of ‘em in #4 ranked team afaik
2022-05-06 18:28
#137
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Poland Berbe123
2 of them gonna win the major with ence, while lulquid do 0 3
2022-05-06 18:40
hades and dycha are from poland and are better than any na player right now KEKW
2022-05-07 00:03
#350
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Brazil beugen1o
And then, you wake up with 0-3 :)
2022-05-07 01:50
#95
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Brazil davidthall
do you know what also is endless entertainment? NA CS kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2022-05-06 18:26
IMO everyone on the match from the team abusing the bug should be banned... not only peacemaker.
2022-05-06 18:29
NA scene dead say hi to valorant
2022-05-06 18:58
+1
2022-05-06 19:41
What are the chances these teams get banned and therefore their sticker prices rising?
2022-05-06 18:19
4 replies
Teams arne't getting banned
2022-05-06 18:19
nothing happened to heroic back then, so no teams will get banned but prices can rise rn cuz of hype and panic
2022-05-06 18:22
#87
arT | 
Brazil Ferba
none
2022-05-06 18:25
They already fucked Spirit, Imperial and 9z players enough, they wont get banned.
2022-05-06 19:26
something what happen in 2k18 and come now 2 days before the major, nice, racists !
2022-05-06 18:25
#DisbandESIC
2022-05-06 18:26
ESIC = JOKE.
2022-05-06 18:26
4 replies
CRY IS FREE CHEATERS
2022-05-06 18:33
3 replies
stumbling upon a little known bug for 1 round and reconnecting after isnt cheating.
2022-05-06 18:44
ence 0 majors.
2022-05-06 19:44
1 reply
soon PGL WINNER
2022-05-06 20:00
clowns
2022-05-06 18:27
#103
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Finland AliSabid
Mhm.. gg
2022-05-06 18:29
this is sad, bad managed and correct
2022-05-06 18:29
#107
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Canada firtlast
i genuinely want to meet peacenaker irl
2022-05-06 18:29
7 replies
#172
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Brazil hugoooo
...why?
2022-05-06 19:12
6 replies
#196
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Canada firtlast
drink some cachacas and make conversation
2022-05-06 19:27
5 replies
kinda random ngl
2022-05-06 19:30
#212
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Brazil hugoooo
But that's motivated by your sexual interest on him, or the news itself has some relation with your intentions to drink with peacemaker?
2022-05-06 19:37
3 replies
#251
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Canada firtlast
i want to know the inner workings of the elusive and enigmatic peacemaker, which will hopefully come through with a hefty amount of alcohol
2022-05-06 20:20
2 replies
#261
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Brazil hugoooo
Oh, that makes sense now
2022-05-06 20:41
1 reply
#348
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Canada firtlast
what the hell were you thinking? that i wanted peacemaker to make something other than peace to my bumhole??????
2022-05-07 01:24
Does anyone how this coach ban exactly works? I might be wrong but I feel like coaches are only forbidden to stand behind the players during LAN events. If that's the case it will barely affect any of the teams which have a banned coach, most of the work is done during preparation period and nobody is able to control if team works with a coach or not during that.
2022-05-06 18:34
2 replies
Yes, the coaches can't fill the "coach" position during a match basically. That's it.
2022-05-06 22:32
1 reply
Thanks. So it doesn't mean a lot in reality
2022-05-06 23:11
#128
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Ukraine Loomian
fix bug? NO ban everyone? YES YES YES
2022-05-06 18:36
I don't know any coach in CS that is so toxic for the scene than a peacemaker. every team he joins a team it gets destroyed from the inside and then he is also a fucking cheater that made interviews about other coaches and their bug abuse.
2022-05-06 18:37
2 replies
kinda fitting for his personality i guess
2022-05-06 18:39
1 reply
#309
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Ukraine lua_
His name doesn't check out though.
2022-05-06 22:20
#134
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Brazil Anarchybr
What a fucking Disgrace to the scene. I was all in for the first wave of bans since ESIC needed to step up and show that the CSGO scene isn’t a joke. But banning specifically 3 coaches 3 fucking days before the major, without even giving them the chance to defend is a shit show. I can’t stand victimism but what else can we think other than this is a Racist decision!!? Imagine destroying a persons career just because one round of a random match 2 years ago that we don’t even know if he used the info In benefit of his team!! What is worse, there’s 100+ players involved in this current investigation, why ESIC didn’t said their names yet but release news on those 3 persons to fuck them before the major? They’re just chasing the spotlight! I bet we gonna see coaches from ESL partners in those 100+ names, why they’re being spared before the major tho???
2022-05-06 18:39
6 replies
Playing the racism victim card hahaha
2022-05-06 19:43
4 replies
#331
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Barbados n1ss
heroic didnt recieve any type of ban, except for hunden
2022-05-06 23:39
3 replies
but the players names were dragged through the mud....we see none of that here. why is that?
2022-05-07 10:22
2 replies
#417
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Barbados n1ss
they were really involved into it, there has been mutiple accusations against them and never applied any. Now, zak or hally accidently run into it for a couple of rounds and they decide to ban them just 3 days before the major when this incidents happened in 2018-2019?
2022-05-08 00:18
1 reply
I dont Think we are told the whole story.
2022-05-08 13:32
First, stop playing the race card, it makes you look like an idiot. Second. A 5 month ban is nowhere near career ending.
2022-05-06 22:34
ESIC what about NA case thats been open for 2 years and not charged Akuma CEO with matchfixing? Maybe after that is complete then u can look at current scene
2022-05-06 18:39
2 replies
in Akuma case, they gave everything to Valve. Blame valve for doing nothing. Not that I like ESIC but wanted to correct some facts
2022-05-06 18:43
1 reply
I wasnt even talking about akuma was on about their CEO charged with betting.. they listed the case as in finalisation stage in August btw.. esic.gg/open_investigation/team-akuma/
2022-05-06 20:58
Volve and PGL idiots
2022-05-06 18:44
1 reply
why
2022-05-07 00:06
Spirit are right, they did nothing about matchfixing except Australia I believe (or was it only local governments and ESIC has nothing to do with it? I don't remember the details. If it's only local government, then ESIC is even bigger joke), although NA investigation was announced, but I guess all the players are playing Valorant now, so no need, huh? Same shit with live feed for betting sites with 0 delay, except no excuses for doing nothing. Nothing has been done about radar hacks or any investigation made against Akuma when teams, including top orgs like Na'Vi, asked them to. It only affected their reputation, players are still there, playing low tier tourneys and qualifiers. And Akuma definitely not the only ones, they're just made it as far as almost qualifying for major. And the whole "We give you 25% ban reduction if you don't even try to argue" is a fucking joke. You're an "Integrity Coalition" you should accept those with open arms if somebody tries to fight for themselves if they really think ban is unjustified and give proper arguments for it.
2022-05-06 18:46
4 replies
+1
2022-05-06 19:12
And also where the f is the players union in this case? Playing w/o their coaches direct impact them and they don't say anything about?
2022-05-06 19:29
1 reply
+1 this would be their job. They could threaten to boycott the major in order to get a proper hearing, etc... Or at least make a statement or something.
2022-05-06 22:37
+1
2022-05-06 20:18
ESIC has to be the most incompetent organization in esports ever. You can't make any statement on your "ongoing" investigation(s) on match fixing which have taken forever, yet you push your proposed bans which are ridiculous as the affected can't even state their case, all while supposedly holding a decent chunk of other coaches for investigation, yet not sanctioning them. All while less than a week away from the Major just because your organization is so irrelevant and unprofessional that you need some sort of spotlight to not be taken as a full-on joke. Not saying that the principles for which ESIC was founded upon are bad, in the contrary, we need something like it but that can actually do something with some level of competency
2022-05-06 18:49
4 replies
Events make a lot of money from betting companies, would you bite the hand that feeds you?
2022-05-06 19:26
3 replies
Of course not, but at that point, why even portray yourself as an organization that seeks the integrity of the game when that truly isn't your purpose, y'know? ESIC is just a waste of resource imo
2022-05-06 19:31
2 replies
Because you gotta keep things "real"! Having a board like that add a sense of professionalism and oversight so you boost trust on orgs/events where you are more likely to gather more investors. And to be fair, where is the players union here? Don't they have ANYTHING to say about this as direct impact players on the biggest stage for CS?
2022-05-06 19:37
1 reply
Well that's fair, all for the sake of "professional" business The player's union, forgot about that one since they don't seem to do much either, at least in the public eye. But it wouldn't make too much sense to get involved either, since those match fixing tournaments are a good source of revenue for the lower players that are willing to go through with it
2022-05-06 19:44
ESIC is trying their hardest to destroy the scene
2022-05-06 18:49
#150
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France marponche
ESIC shitters
2022-05-06 18:51
Fraudmaker exposed
2022-05-06 18:52
#153
DAD | 
Seychelles synok
clown organisation
2022-05-06 18:53
No one cares anymore every coach used this bug
2022-05-06 18:57
7 replies
hally and zakk didnt even "use" it they accidently stumbled apon it in a game then disconnected while gaining no advantage which is the insane part.
2022-05-06 18:59
4 replies
#234
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Finland Zombade
The problem with this argument is, you can see the demos where they use it, and you can open up the in game chat log to see if they ask for a technical pause. In these cases they did not and thought they got away with it, which immediately raised the alarm.
2022-05-06 20:04
3 replies
hally disconnected after the round, and espada instantly paused as well, he had the bug for 1 round and did not replicate it or anything in the future, so clearly is not bug abuse.
2022-05-06 20:25
2 replies
#257
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Finland Zombade
Lets say I have an aimlock which I cannot get rid of right away; Do I keep playing an official game, or type in the in game chat to pause the game? Do I disconnect without letting the admins know first?
2022-05-06 20:31
1 reply
idk you do you :)
2022-05-06 20:48
GobB is innocent. So far no german coach was "banned" but maybe the enkaj switch has to do with this? I don't think so but as long as ESIC makes such a "show" out of it you can accuse any coach.
2022-05-06 19:10
#411
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Sweden dogtown
Agree, it's so embarrassing they are still investigating it, like get a fkn life lol.
2022-05-07 22:45
what f*** joke... 1 round bug, ESIC: cLeaRy cHeaTed
2022-05-06 18:58
Peacemaker can rot in hell, but Zakk and Hally did not deserve this at all. Zakk first encounter with the bug resulted in him waiting one round to see if the bug would fix itself (as most stuff do in CS). The second time he was AFK and disconnected as soon as he got back (the half round). Hally also waited one round! He did not even moved his cursor!!
2022-05-06 19:03
9 replies
Zakk had 4 instances, not 2. The bans have more to do with the fact these coaches never reported to an admin. That is just common sense. Instead they kept quiet. NT!
2022-05-06 19:14
8 replies
Zakk had 4 instances, 2 were resolved, and 2 are being used to ban him. ONE OF THEM IS DURING A FUCKING KNIFE ROUND. This is just dumb man. He should have reported them to admins, yes. But the first instance from zakk was 4 years ago when the coach bug wasn't really known and could have passed as one of those 'just csgo things'. And in the second, it's just a knife round I can see why he wouldn't report that,
2022-05-06 19:35
7 replies
Man you can excuse 1 time, but 4? That's just not smart at all
2022-05-06 19:35
6 replies
#403
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Chad kdorek
Check the video "evidence". One of the 4 the camera is pointing to the ground in third person, he sees LESS than if he were properly seeing the camera of the player. It's obvious the people in ESIC have no idea of the game they are watching.
2022-05-07 21:00
5 replies
Read your comment again. "One of the 4" At least 2 of them he doesnt do this. NT though
2022-05-07 21:09
4 replies
#406
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Chad kdorek
It's just to point out the fact you say it's 4. None of the 4 seems intentional, or lasts more than one round, or could gain any unfair advantage from. Not that hard to understand. Plus all the videos are uploaded to youtube in october 2020.
2022-05-07 22:11
3 replies
Guerri was removed for 2 majors and he was one of the only coaches to report the bug. He gladly accepted his ban and didnt cry for the sake of competitive integrity. 9z coach didnt report shit. Ban is deserved. Move on
2022-05-07 22:15
2 replies
#408
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Chad kdorek
I'm not crying, even if I could buy into your argument fully there's no way to explain the timing of this decision when the evidence was there for so long. Nor why they only reveal these 3 out of a list of supposedly 50+. Nor why supposedly there's a 4th implied coach in this Major, yet they are not revealing him and letting him play.
2022-05-07 22:30
1 reply
They weren't going to report on these coaches until after the major. It took a long time because ESIC has a ton of shit they are working on with a small team. The only reason they were released early is because some "journalists" started making articles and showing off the new coach bug and naming the coaches. So ESIC had to step in.
2022-05-07 22:32
ESIC should be dismantled asap
2022-05-06 19:14
Deserved!
2022-05-06 19:14
4 replies
Fan of skade lmao
2022-05-06 19:17
1 reply
flag flair name all checks out
2022-05-06 19:18
Dennyslaw flair ahha if esic was a legit org he would be in jail already
2022-05-06 20:15
1 reply
NT dennyslaw clean player
2022-05-06 20:21
#178
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Brazil hugoooo
Doing this RIGHT BEFORE the major is obviously intentonal. Someone has ro discover who are behind ESIC and who are they benefiting. There are money involved in this shit for sure.
2022-05-06 19:16
1 reply
Serves these low life's right. Thinking they're going to get away with cheating, and then BAM! HAHA.
2022-05-06 20:13
esic is so random
2022-05-06 19:20
#183
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Andorra NDRnews
Peacemaker should be given a lifetime ban, and the players clearly got info this time
2022-05-06 19:21
Right before major, when money has been spent and resources squandered to fly these people in. Zero respect for people's times, for a 4 year old bug.
2022-05-06 19:22
2 replies
It seems as though supporting and using cheaters in your org may be a bad call... huh.
2022-05-06 20:14
1 reply
You say it as if they used an aimbot or a wallhack. This spectator bug is so overrated and overblown that it's absurd... a handful of coaches truly exploited it extensively. The ESIC has clearly been milking this to justify continuing charging their fees without having to undertake more serious investigations. In a sense, this is pretty normal, as a lot of organizations do this in every subject matter all around the world, the ESIC are not an excpetion. However, it so happens that esports is still a very new industry, where money is not guaranteed, and screwing somebody over like this can destroy an entire org. They should either have done this during the pandemic, which was perfect timing, or just let go.
2022-05-06 20:22
They keep pushing this coach bug all the time. They got real problems with match fixing and they do zero to address it...
2022-05-06 19:22
Clowns
2022-05-06 19:22
DISGUSTING
2022-05-06 19:24
#191
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Other KlNG
cancel ESIC
2022-05-06 19:25
"the outcome of gaining an unfair advantage did not play a factor in the decision" Why do we allow these clowns any degree of influence, exactly?
2022-05-06 19:25
everyone is innocent until proven otherwise, who are you to judge someone without giving the right of defense???? this is a crime of slander...
2022-05-06 19:28
#200
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Aruba defoliant
totaly deserved.
2022-05-06 19:29
#204
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Israel McBeany
I don't know what the coaches have done , but it does seem a bit stupid to announce this decision at this time. They could have 1) send a notice a few weeks before the major to let the affected teams get proper subs before the major or 2) just wait for the final verdict (which is not published atm and I believe will be published after the major) and then give the teams notices about the bans. The way they've gone around it shows 0 care for the scene , which is a shame
2022-05-06 19:31
I believe that at this point ESIC proved their incompetence with coach bug case. Also valve should have stepped in, and getting an esports "court/ jury "to review these cases instead of leaving it to ESIC would be a good idea.
2022-05-06 19:32
2 replies
Getting Valve to step in (for the second time) would likely be the end to coaching. They don't like coaches to begin with.
2022-05-06 19:41
1 reply
they don`t like to be involved, stepping in means extra work. and we all can see how hardworking valve is by looking at the csgo shop right now.
2022-05-06 19:43
nice
2022-05-06 19:34
#209
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Brazil painali
Everyone related to investigating such bugs is pathetic. Fix the damn bug and apply the ban date starting from the date of the match, then you'll see it's too late to do something about it. Idiots
2022-05-06 19:35
malek is free! nice
2022-05-06 19:36
#222
NAF | 
Canada Mizwu
well done
2022-05-06 19:43
I wonder if Heroic as an org encourages this sort of behavior?
2022-05-06 19:45
3 replies
pathetic bait...but nice try
2022-05-07 10:46
2 replies
So you think that the organization went through two cheating coaches and still had no idea? I dont know dude, flag checks out
2022-05-07 13:33
1 reply
well...in the game where hunden was accused of using the bug, heroic lost. never the less, its water under the bridge, and apparently Esic is only targeting coaches. but the heroic-players are the only ones (i have seen) who stood up after being bullied by medias like this one. yes....the oldest flag in the world. yours is a cheap copy.
2022-05-07 22:47
typical brazil, always cheating
2022-05-06 19:45
5 replies
#330
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Barbados n1ss
fake flagger talking shit lol
2022-05-06 23:37
4 replies
doesn't change the fact that brazil always cheats XD
2022-05-07 12:53
3 replies
#418
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Barbados n1ss
dont know where the hell u from, probably there is also cheaters there, but your argument is just empty haha
2022-05-08 00:19
2 replies
my argument? im just stating facts. brazil always try to cheat whenever the opportunity presents itself. they're basically the germans of the americas
2022-05-08 02:46
1 reply
#434
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Barbados n1ss
not true, name once they cheated before this. also check why they banned zakk, its ridiculous.
2022-05-09 13:42
I support the work by ESIC of promoting a cheater free competitive scene, but some mistakes have to be pointed out. i - players should be able to defend themselves; ii - the timing of this particular ban and the implications for the teams was terrible; iii - in some cases the coachs were not aware of the bug. Although it is difficult to prove, it seems unfair banning coaches that didn't take any advantage of the bug (which, btw, is something that they didn't provoke, it is just a random bug of the game. Valve could have some accountability on that). Thanks
2022-05-06 19:48
2 replies
+1
2022-05-06 20:05
Good your not ESIC LOL
2022-05-06 22:53
Good. Very good. Throw out the trash.
2022-05-06 20:11
ESIC 🤡
2022-05-06 20:11
Ban hundreds of fixers that play every scam event - noooo Ban coaches in 4 days before major for knife round and 1 round + restart of it - yessssss
2022-05-06 20:14
3 replies
Yeah, honestly fuck this shit. Unfortunately HLTV mods are biased enough to bomb out every single thread criticizing ESIC. I made a thread where I pointed out ESIC's activities over the years, saying they haven't done a single thing to make our community better. Not to mention that all coach bug recordings were gathered by michau9 who isn't tied in with ESIC. Meanwhile dream3r and bubble have been fixing games since 2015, consistently avoiding punishment even though it's pretty much obvious and every person who's into t2 or lower scene knows it. Apparently HLTV users are smarter than fucking ESIC. Not gonna hark back to Akuma's case, they've been "investigating" them for one year but of course they can't find any evidence. XD
2022-05-06 20:28
2 replies
Based take But mods most likely will delete it
2022-05-06 20:42
1 reply
I don't care. HLTV is paid to showcase all these fly-by-night T2/T3 tournaments such as Pinnacle Cup. It's not like every game is fixed, but for example when you see SKADE being a heavy favourite, it's almost certain they'll throw handicaps/one map or even lose the game. They just went from 0-2 to 3-2 in Pinnacle. Not suspicious at all.
2022-05-06 20:45
#FREEZAKK #FREEHALLY #FREEPEACEMAKER
2022-05-06 20:17
#248
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CIS sunsh1n3d
clowns. Hally accidently used bug FOR 1 ROUND IN 20 FUCK1NG 19, HIS CAMERA WAS IN RAMP ON MIRAGE, HE DIDNT SEE ENEMIES, wave of bans was in 2020, nobody knows why, but esic didn't want to ban him for 1.5 years to ban him 3 days before major when spirit can't change coach🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
2022-05-06 20:18
Bug and cheating are different things. a bug abuser is cheating of course, but peacemaker left after one round(to stop the bug) and never did it again. Doesn´t seem like a "abuser" to me. Most important: It´s a bug it was not him, happened without his knowledge and you have seconds to understand and decide what to do, obviously he did it but decided to stop. This is total non sense, an one year investigation which results in punishments 3 days before a major(teams cannot change the coach with less than 5 days). This is total bullshit.
2022-05-06 20:24
peacemaker to valorant inc
2022-05-06 20:34
#265
b1t | 
Russia dteakh
useless freaks
2022-05-06 20:42
Hally ban situation is really so stupid. The bug was so random and haven't in any way made any impact on the game, his player has always been in ramp during the bug so there was no advantage gained with the bug. Damn mens, ESIC decisions are so questionable...
2022-05-06 20:47
The more you know about this, the more you have to hate what ESIC is doing. They knew all about this """""new"""" bug long time ago, they even have unlisted videos on their youtube channel (the MF's who call themself referee) but they wait until the last week of the Major to spill this meme. Dude. This can't be serious... They even waited until the roster for the major is locked, so teams can no longer register new coaches.
2022-05-06 20:51
wtf is this. ESIC banned 3 coaches out of N number, they won't ban others because the names of other coaches are more known. They basically removing competition from major. Btw incident with Hally was found in 2020, but they decided to ban him right before the major. Pathetic. I'm suggesting all teams who are participating in major to boycott it.
2022-05-06 20:56
ESIC = bunch of 🤡
2022-05-06 20:58
#277
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CIS Laggy
Fckn clowns
2022-05-06 21:03
#278
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Brazil drydden
Clowns, it's obvious someone is funding them
2022-05-06 21:03
Valve needs to do something about this nonsense
2022-05-06 21:08
#287
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Argentina Maiv
ESIC WHO?
2022-05-06 21:10
2022-05-06 21:13
poor Hally. He didnt even gain any kind of advantage
2022-05-06 21:26
Imagine banning someone for 2 years because he stuck on a bug for one single round
2022-05-06 21:32
3 replies
+1 ESIC is a joke and seems pursuit brazillians. of course, if they used some bug exploit and did'n report it, they deserve some punish, but 2 years for something that happens 4 years ago? This lack of empathy only makes the community worse...
2022-05-07 00:17
1 reply
#351
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Poland BAN_ANIME
>seems pursuit brazillians ??? lmao what
2022-05-07 02:08
#412
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Sweden dogtown
They obviously don't have a life.
2022-05-07 22:46
Akuma cheating BLAST teams streamsniping each other 50% asian teams matchfixing Bannning coach 3 days before major for something they “might” have done 5 years ago in a completely different team ESIC donkeys
2022-05-06 21:33
bye xiters
2022-05-06 21:39
Its really sad, if you really want to make a difference, boycot the major, not gonna happen because there is a lot of people who doesnt get informed, and as seen in this post, there is people who support the bans and doesnt care.
2022-05-06 22:19
If Valve is not a member of ESIC, would they allow ESIC sanctions to be applied on Valve Sanctioned Events? It doesn't make sense.
2022-05-06 22:19
For Zakk No advantage gain, only four rounds and in 2 of them he only spectated players of his own team. The one on mirage is more arguable but he is spectating in B and they execute A. Same in the overpass round, they excecute B regarless of what zakk could see or didn´t. Unfair man youtube.com/watch?v=k43E_Oor2Jw&ab_chann..
2022-05-06 22:30
#315
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Canada Jonesyk
Cheaters robbed EG of Major spot sadge
2022-05-06 22:38
4 replies
#320
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Argentina naxxlm
????????????????????????? did u know something about this? clearly no.
2022-05-06 23:17
#329
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Barbados n1ss
seen the vids where zak is abusing bug or you are just talking shit? also, you guys were fuckin easy lol
2022-05-06 23:35
1 reply
#369
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Bulgaria ramkain
Lets not be toxic =)
2022-05-07 07:01
#397
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Pakistan LoOuU2
EG are absolute shite mate, other team don't really have to commit nefarious acts to defeat them. They bad.
2022-05-07 17:05
idiots i hope they will charge themselves pathetic clowns
2022-05-06 22:58
#322
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Argentina naxxlm
#FreeZakk Patetic ESIC. They make me think it's on purpose
2022-05-06 23:19
This org is such a joke. I already knew they are clowns back when the commissioner, Ian Something, talked about Heroic and Hunden situation. I have no problems with banning people who exploited the game but you need to make a decision much sooner than literally 3 days before a major event. Are these people working on kindergarten timing or something? The lacking of punctuality and professionalism of ESIC is just ridiculous.
2022-05-06 23:22
#327
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Barbados n1ss
ESIC CLOWN ORG
2022-05-06 23:34
At this point i would like to see their pov while using the bug
2022-05-06 23:50
2 replies
I looked at the vids, it seems peacemaker and zakk were knowingly using them with some intent, and hally is the least serious tbh..
2022-05-07 05:01
1 reply
I just watched the clip after posting #333, peacemaker and zakk is definitely using it but idk if the information is passed or not we dont know for sure (at least for me), think ESIC should update their matrix
2022-05-07 05:15
CHE VOLVO DE CAES A PEDASITOS......
2022-05-06 23:52
chupame un huevo esic
2022-05-06 23:59
ESIC CLOWN
2022-05-07 00:09
CLOWNS
2022-05-07 00:16
free zakk
2022-05-07 00:58
#352
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Brazil 1kuNg
What a coincidence, all of the 3 discovered bug abusers are in the major... when they will anounce the other names? When those coaches get in a big event and anounce the ban 3 days before the event? what a joke
2022-05-07 02:38
so they get massive bans, 2 year ban for peacemaker for 1 or 2 rounds spent in bug that shouldnt exist anyway? Any wonder Valve done comment on the situation lol.
2022-05-07 02:38
1 reply
#415
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Sweden dogtown
I think the saddest thing is these old people are still looking at demos to catch coaches.. shameless.
2022-05-07 22:48
finally no more team ruining peacemaker
2022-05-07 02:54
1 reply
Valorant next and sentence will expire
2022-05-07 03:24
ESIC 🤡
2022-05-07 03:43
cheatmaker kkkkk
2022-05-07 04:45
It is not cheating. Most of the coaches getting banned there was no malice, they did not do better in the game. For example, one major, BiG used jump crouch bug where they could spot over walls like inferno car wall without getting spotted back. They used this for multiple games, then a few other teams used it before finally coming to a 'gentlemans agreement' to not use the bug anymore. noone was banned, noone punished and that was for malice.
2022-05-07 06:16
2 replies
And why didn't the coaches arrange a "gentlemans agreement" for the coaching bug, abusing it over and over again instead?
2022-05-07 11:32
1 reply
That's the problem. It is completely not taken into consideration whether the bug was actually abused or not. *Most* of the coaches simply played the round out w/o communicating any info to their team and then taking care of the issue by relogging or whatever was needed after the round. That's why almost all of these bans are for 1 round and somehow that equates to >=5 months.
2022-05-07 18:34
#368
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Bulgaria ramkain
Esic will disband from starvation if it does its job
2022-05-07 06:59
remove zakk ban cuz it wasn't used for advantage perma ban peacemaker cuz blatant af didn't see hally clips
2022-05-07 07:25
its true
2022-05-07 08:13
"did not act in an appropriate manner" Did any coach who experienced the bug fixed it immediately? i wanna know how many fixed it immediately and didnt get banned. Getting bugs for the first time i dont think any person would act to fix it immediately. People are curious in nature .
2022-05-07 10:58
#380
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Finland OttoRocks
”Is the ESIC a third-party integrity operator? To be clear, The Esports Integrity Commission is not a third-party entity. Despite being labeled as a not-for-profit organization, the ESIC requires a buy-in from tournament organizers based on a percentage of a member’s largest yearly prize pool yearly as a membership fee." Not condoning cheating, but the way esic operates is very unethical and there is bias in their findings. Furthermore the biggest tournament organisers ESL and FACEIT was bought by saudis with huge markup, so esic is directly funded by saudi money. Would not be surprised if there would be politically motivated bans in future or is someone so naive that someone spends 1,5 billion dollars not to have influence? 1. Valve don't fix known bug for 8 years 2. esic takes over 2 years to investigate and still not done 3. ???? 4. Valve profit in any case do they don't care. esic keeps funding and might negotiate bigger cut. The whole thing should have been dealt in timely fashion, we deserve better developer, counter-strike 2.0? And way better system to deal with bans with clear transparency and some sort of CAS behind it.
2022-05-07 12:31
Don't know why is there such a commotion. Every coach was given time to come clean if they had ever encounter this bug even if they didn't use it to gain advantage and reported it to admin at that time. If these people had informed it to them back when that period was open any judgement would have been affected by their cooperation and even if ban was been given it would have been nowhere near major. Only got themselves to blame. I don't like ESIC much myself. Their methods are definitely controversial but cheaters and ignorants shouldn't go unpunished.
2022-05-07 12:34
1 reply
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2022-05-07 13:13
free zakk, free hally peacemaker should be banned
2022-05-07 13:16
#386
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Sweden Mikacage
clowns
2022-05-07 14:51
Unfair #FreeZakk
2022-05-07 14:55
Volvo why
2022-05-07 15:00
What a joke
2022-05-07 15:01
#390
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Finland OttoRocks
3 days before major.... CSPPA should sue ESIC in criminal court for slander and missed opportunity for not being able to defend oneself. Ofc that won't happen, cos csppa is a joke too. Scene full of bad actors and basically monopoly system. Could we get real independent 3th party professionals, instead of these biased gamer nerds LARPing lawyers
2022-05-07 15:10
2 years cooldown ))
2022-05-07 15:11
#392
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Brazil llskll
Shame for ESIC. Let's see who they gonna ban next time because apparently only brazilian and russians got this bug. When the investigation of this bug will finish or they gonna ban coachs till the end of cs go ?
2022-05-07 15:59
Valve needs to fix their game so that there are no game breaking bugs anymore. What a disgrace, a bunch of the community got banned because of this stupid flaw in the game
2022-05-07 16:21
1 reply
There is a difference in encountering a bug and exploiting it to gain advantage game after game.
2022-05-07 17:18
#402
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United States Perc
Ban heroic then
2022-05-07 20:59
1 reply
#414
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Sweden dogtown
Nah they are white.
2022-05-07 22:46
ESIC mentioned on more coach who used "3rd person bug" and wasn't banned. OverDrive sais it was zonic. escorenews.com/en/csgo/news/33558-previe..
2022-05-08 13:49
#428
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Portugal dracø
ESIC is so trash. Ofc they'd pull the trigger on the bans after the deadline to lock rosters right? dumb fucks
2022-05-08 20:31
And zonic.
2022-05-08 20:32
The punishment is shambolic. These coaches could face career ending ban over some stupid decision from ESIC hierarchy. Pity them
2022-05-09 01:16
#432
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Brazil ImReverx
ESIC KEKW There are no more employees with brains in there
2022-05-09 03:11
ofc, u ban this but dont ban pinnacle, elisa ..
2022-05-10 13:48
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