m0NESY's controversial Mirage smoke approved by PGL

The 17-year-old's smoke play caught the public's eye in the aftermath of the match against Imperial.

G2's teenage AWPer found himself in the center of attention as a POV video from the Imperial game surfaced on Twitter on Sunday morning.

In the clip, it is seen that Ilya "⁠m0NESY⁠" Osipov lines up a smoke that, when combined with the standard Window smoke, creates an unusual one-way that allows the Russian player to find two kills on Imperial members. Since, m0NESY has responded on Twitter, saying the smoke was approved for usage by admins at the RMR Europe event in April, which was confirmed by tournament organizer PGL. PGL added on Sunday that the they will "allow the smoke going forward."

m0NESY was the star in G2's victory over the Brazilians

It seems that, in this case, the interaction between the two smokes causes a non-standard behavior, resulting in the Window smoke not appearing as it usually would, and creating a very powerful one-way angle.

m0NESY used the smoke on multiple occasions in the Imperial game, but also in the first match against Natus Vincere, without the same degree of success as in the situation that made rounds on Twitter. The Russian dropped the same smoke in the RMR tournament as well, when G2 faced Anonymo, but without the Polish side throwing the Window smoke, it didn't have the same effect (can be seen here).

The 17-year-old clarified on Twitter that the team asked if the smoke was allowed to be used when G2 attended the PGL Antwerp Major RMR Europe B event in April, and got the green light from the admin team. He also compared the smoke to the "infinity molotov" popularly used on Ancient, where T-side players throw the utility from T spawn into mid, which flies through the air for a longer amount of time than a molotov usually can.

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Video: m0NESY's flashy 1v3 against Imperial

After the POV video of m0NESY against Imperial video surfaced on Twitter, so did a clip on VK.com dating back to December 1 2021, which shows a player using similar mechanics to find gaps in a smoke on Dust2. Another usage of the mechanic was found on Overpass.

The historical precedent of similar situations dates back to the "olofboost" incident at DreamHack Winter 2014 and the "jump bug" used by BIG at PGL Krakow 2017. In the former case, the admin team ruled a replay of the map, not because of the boost itself, but because both fnatic and LDLC players were in positions where they couldn't be shot at from multiple angles. In the latter case, there were no repercussions and the bug was allowed by the admin team, but a gentlemen's agreement was made between the teams to not use it.

Reactions from players at the Major have come out on Twitter since. Even before PGL's announcement, Finn "⁠karrigan⁠" Andersen pleaded for "an ASAP fix", saying it "can’t be legal to purposely use another smoke to create a bug." Another Danish IGL, Marco "⁠Snappi⁠" Pfeiffer, claims "it’s obvious nobody should be punished going back in time," referring to m0NESY, and added that "lineup smokes for this bug for the remainder of the tournament" should be banned.

A number of other players have voiced their disproval with PGL's decisions, prompting that a gentlemen's agreement should be struck if an official rule isn't added for the Major. CSPPA board member Martin "⁠STYKO⁠" Styk confirmed that the Player's Association will attempt to find a solution for the situation.

Slovakia Martin 'STYKO' Styk
Martin 'STYKO' Styk
Age:
26
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.00
Maps played:
1530
KPR:
0.67
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.96
Maps played:
1553
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Finn 'karrigan' Andersen
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.91
Maps played:
1975
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.69
Russia Ilya 'm0NESY' Osipov
Ilya 'm0NESY' Osipov
Age:
17
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.19
Maps played:
229
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.61
#2
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India Wise_Indian
Very cool
2022-05-15 10:48
14 replies
PGL is a crap organization and should never host another tournament. I wonder if other players and teams knew about the bug but never used it as it takes away from the integrity of the game, basically an unwritten rule to not use bugs.
2022-05-15 16:33
13 replies
+1 no other org will allowed using this bug It’s crazy to me that they would allow such a bug
2022-05-15 22:17
6 replies
G2 asking proves they knew it was wrong to use or else they would've just did it and not asked.
2022-05-15 22:20
5 replies
Well, it definitely proves that they knew it was going to be controversial.
2022-05-16 00:12
2 replies
Exactly
2022-05-16 01:02
#800
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France Stouti
controversial doesnt necessarily mean forbidden
2022-05-19 08:35
#695
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Brazil Lok72
they asked on RMR qualifies, not even on this stage smh
2022-05-16 00:26
1 reply
#773
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Iceland suriel666
bug abusers since RMR .. smh
2022-05-16 14:19
yeah, this isn't even a "one way", this is a NO SMOKE bug for the player using the glitch. in cs 1.6 you could delete a file that would make smoke disappear for one player, and that's illegal AF, and it's basically what's happening here (granted, only possible in certain spots). this is really cheap, unfair, and 100% cheating IMO.
2022-05-16 19:26
2 replies
Dang I didn't know you could do that in 1.6. Yeah that smoke glitch is a real scumbag move. Supposedly the smoke glitch has been known for a while and other players knew about it but never used it. That tells me g2 has no morals and will take a win however they can get it. Even if PGL allows it how in your right mind do you think it is acceptable as a professional gamer. Valve patchibg it so we quick proves it should've never been allowed.
2022-05-16 19:30
1 reply
+1
2022-05-16 19:32
If he showed it this way maybe they didn't even know it was a ''oneway''
2022-05-16 23:39
2 replies
He definitely knew. He only showed the CT smoke without the T throwing the smoke. So the admins were like "wtf that's a dumb smoke that covers only the top". OFC they knew it was bad, they just fooled the admins into thinking it was just a shit smoke and didn't know it would cancel the T smoke. G2 is a clown team and I hope they lose to Furia
2022-05-17 08:00
1 reply
#799
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Brazil F3rrugm
WE DID JUSTICE. g2 came out of a major semifinal last year, to reach this one as a challenger and not even make the play-offs. I don't know what's more pathetic, if it's g2's performance or her depending on a 16 year old boy to get results. GO GO GO FURIA!!!
2022-05-19 02:37
#3
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Australia B_Tannen
YEAH SHHHHH
2022-05-15 10:48
#4
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Turkey orionski
ban these cheaters
2022-05-15 10:48
43 replies
Cheaters? Just get good kiddo kekw
2022-05-15 10:52
31 replies
#39
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Turkey orionski
i was memeing but it's really stupid to allow these going forward. pgl is fuckin clueless
2022-05-15 10:54
24 replies
#133
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Serbia DakileX
It's not monesy's fault , game is shit
2022-05-15 11:17
23 replies
#138
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Turkey orionski
i know, i'm not blaming him. i'm blaming valve for the bug and pgl for allowing it going forward. they should ban it right now.
2022-05-15 11:19
22 replies
Agreed. M0nesy didnt do shit wrong using it. Sure its a bit of a dick move but what ever it takes to win within the rules. Now that PGL and Valve are aware they should remove the use of the bug. Doesnt make any sense why they are approving something which is clearly breaking pro play in this situation
2022-05-15 11:43
17 replies
Its already been approved. I guess other team can just take advantage of it too.
2022-05-15 11:46
13 replies
Thats my point. It shouldnt have been approved. In my opinion. Imagine you havent made a mistake and youre losing a round or a game because of a small bug which gives a significant advantage. Not only do you get to peak an angle the enemies are unsuspecting as you should be smoke off
2022-05-15 11:49
12 replies
It isn't that different from just a one-way thrown in that same window though. It's more about being aware of the possibility now until Valve patch it out. Apparently m0nesy asked at the RMR if they could use it, and PGL approved, so it would be difficult to walk things back now I guess?
2022-05-15 11:54
11 replies
Okay so the difference is though if you smoke something you shouldnt have to expect it to not be smoked. And yeh idk why they approved it at the RMR that was dumb af but I hate the mentality of sticking with the original decision if you now know its not right
2022-05-15 13:50
10 replies
It's very similar to a new one-way smoke in my opinion. The smoke m0nesy threw is a big blob in the corner of window. You know it's happening, now you just have to counter it.
2022-05-15 13:53
9 replies
I guess we have to agree to disagree. I just think they should have clarified this is allowed and shown the players an example. Just because M0nesy knew it wasnt banned doesnt mean all players did. Either way the hate shouldnt be on M0nesy
2022-05-15 13:58
8 replies
But now it is clarified. Yet all the teams say "Fuck PGL, we're going to play by our rules." You think this is okay as well? You know that if someone decides to use the smoke now, there will be a witch hunt. Do you think this is okay?
2022-05-15 14:02
7 replies
I think the teams should settle this between themselves if PGL have allowed the rule just as most of them did with the crouch jump bug. If teams decide not to agree thats fair enough but if they decide not to abuse the bug but then go and do it anyways then a witch hunt imo is justified not saying its the right thing but I couldnt blame them
2022-05-15 14:07
6 replies
But what if all teams but one decides to not use it and then that one team uses it? If you ask me, that's fair. They don't have to follow the other teams.
2022-05-15 14:22
5 replies
I dont like it but aslong as they say when the other team asks for gentlemans agreement that they dont agree to that. But my problem is now its been brought to attention if teams use it after a gentlemans agreement I hope they get called out
2022-05-15 14:23
4 replies
That is assuming there were no teams against it. Personally I find it hard to see G2 agree to a gentleman's agreement. Especially with the people in that team and Carlos as CEO. Styko said they brought it to a vote and they all agreed, but it sounds to me more like a majority of teams agreed and then the CSPPA made a statement and the rest now has to follow if they don't want a witch hunt. Though if that were the case, I urge any team that doesn't agree, to come forward and say the don't agree and are going to use the bug before they use it.
2022-05-15 14:30
3 replies
I think thats the best way to handle it. Come forward and admit you are going to possibly use the bug in a game. I just really hope M0nesy doesnt get much hate because of it however I can imagine Brazillians will be giving him a very hard time
2022-05-15 14:36
2 replies
Yeah. G2 and m0nesy are definitely not at fault. It worries me though, especially since the next Major is in Brazil and they are know to hold grudges to an extreme. Fallen should probably come out and urge the community to not harass him for his safety.
2022-05-15 14:38
1 reply
Yeh I really feel for M0nesy. I just hope the pros dont go hard against him too. Brazil CS is an amazing scene but as soon as their teams lose they just turn into cunts
2022-05-15 14:41
+1 it's just crazy how often Valve and organizers did and still do these kind of stupid decisions. Remember when they decided to not let coaches cheer or speak with their teams anymore, things like that. those people don't know what sports really is. they don't know what the philosophy and ethic of sports is. it's more than a business, it's more than getting people to watch a Stream. be smart and get people from real sports to make that kind of decisions. at least people who played CS GO by themselves.
2022-05-15 12:26
1 reply
#792
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Brazil Fauchard
they didnt need to cancel the match, it's new so they need just to get the round for the other team.. Instanteley I sill think that was a brazillian team they will be punished
2022-05-17 07:26
Yes he did. It's a bug and clearly unfair. Doesn't matter shit if PGL approved, it shouldn't be used and that's it
2022-05-15 17:42
#357
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Sweden wyv0
fuck off, valve should be the ones to fix it now then. If Valve keeps putting the thumbs up their arses, it's literally their fault the rest of the tournament will be played with this. not PGL
2022-05-15 12:50
3 replies
#400
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Turkey orionski
it's Valve's fault but it's PGL decision. they should've contacted Valve or make a decision with common sense, not this "it's in the game so it's not a bug" thing.
2022-05-15 13:28
2 replies
#403
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Sweden wyv0
imagine them contacting Valve, but Valve aint picking up. Then this would be the way to contact Valve.
2022-05-15 13:29
#405
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Sweden wyv0
PGL also aren't hindering the teams at the tournament to agree with eachother not to use this.
2022-05-15 13:31
hes using an exploit, so yeah a cheater
2022-05-15 10:57
4 replies
#557
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Croatia dinnkksss
if he discovered that exploit its like a hole in the game that he uses and its completely Valve's fault, why should he be banned if he discovered a mistake of Valve? And what does PGL have to do that, it isnt even their mistake as tournament organiser or monesy as a player.
2022-05-15 16:28
3 replies
Coaches bans?
2022-05-15 20:13
2 replies
#669
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Croatia dinnkksss
coaches arent players, is that mistake of a player which have seen a gap in the game or a mistake of Valve as game creator?
2022-05-15 21:26
1 reply
No one should be banned. But shame on Monesy to use make a dik move
2022-05-15 23:31
This major not fpl
2022-05-15 11:02
Tell me who should ban them?
2022-05-15 12:05
They got permission to use it. You seem to have a problem with PGLs ruleset, not the players...
2022-05-15 13:39
8 replies
#414
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Turkey orionski
yes, i was memeing when i say ban these cheaters. blame should be on valve and pgl.
2022-05-15 13:41
7 replies
ah ok /s would have been useful because a lot of people are actually calling for disqualification.
2022-05-15 13:42
6 replies
#417
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Turkey orionski
haha yeah, my bad. i'm a fnatic fan so i know first hand that you get hated by these kind of things. blame shouldn't be on players, especially on a 17 year old kid.
2022-05-15 13:43
5 replies
Although olofboost ruined the match imo. you have to appreciate the creativity and olof still hit every shot he took
2022-05-15 13:46
Similar to fnatic if the opponents just knew about the bug they could've actually countered it. If Imperial knew that when that 2nd smoke pops at the top the player will have a oneway they just shoot the shit out of the corner. There's no difference from this to a one-way in practicality. And we don't ban those.
2022-05-15 16:53
1 reply
Except this smoke cancels the window smoke. If you can't see how unfair that is, you're an idiot.
2022-05-16 05:35
17 year old kid? At 17 I knew very well the shit I could or couldn't do, don't come with it, it's bad character that
2022-05-15 17:30
1 reply
+1
2022-05-15 20:13
Once a cheater, always a cheater
2022-05-15 19:04
Lol
2022-05-15 10:48
2 replies
Flag
2022-05-15 10:58
1 reply
#597
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Brazil GooseOp
you're biased against brazil
2022-05-15 17:48
innocent
2022-05-15 10:48
yeet
2022-05-15 10:49
Wtf unexpected
2022-05-15 10:49
cheater
2022-05-15 10:49
#12
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Pakistan LoOuU2
welp, that does it. Scummy but allowed so the drama dies down there. Blame PGL and Valve , not the 17 year old kid.
2022-05-15 10:49
34 replies
#45
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Italy MulaManca
+1
2022-05-15 10:55
Doesn’t happen, ppl can’t understand simple logic. Just like everyone went after NIP for Flashpoint screwing up.
2022-05-15 11:16
10 replies
#181
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Pakistan LoOuU2
this is again, a TO`s screwup and their stance now is going to piss off half of the community all while being at the fault themselves!
2022-05-15 11:31
It's not the same. It would be the same if Imperial decide to cry about this until they get a rematch. Then reaction to Imperial's actions would be the same. Although I don't think Imperial or any other org at the major except NiP have such a low moral standards to perform actions that violate the competitive integrity of the tournament to such an extent as NiP did.
2022-05-15 11:33
8 replies
So many word jus to say “I don’t understand the Flashpoint situation”. Both teams approved postpone and change of servers. Flashpoint refused and gave NIP players (remember in this event there was no interaction between players and and coach/staff allowed at all) the options to either forfeit the game, or play on with an issue that was server side and only effected NIP. So Flashpoint forced NIP to make a choice between lose for sure or play with disadvantage, not fair at all. Of course the players chose the only option they had to actually win. But why should they even have to take that decision when both teams where ok with solutions. In other words, the TO fucked the teams, and ppl blamed one of the teams (for lack of brain capacity). Same thing here when a player is blamed for TO making a stupid call.
2022-05-15 11:50
7 replies
Ofc it's Flashpoint's fault, but NiP should've forfeited and only TO would be blamed. They decided to get a free chance to win and then rematch (which wouldn't happen if they were a small org). Did they have the right to do that? Yes. Is this an indication of extremely low moral standards? Also yes.
2022-05-15 12:03
6 replies
If they could have had staff interaction, it is likely they would have understood that a forfeit would likely have meant a rematch since it would have been unfair. But now it was the players all alone to take the decision, and of course they will take the only option that gives them a chance. After Flashpoint fucked up, there was no good solution, rematch or not, both was unfair for different reasons and both teams are the victims.
2022-05-15 12:18
5 replies
Only one of the teams is a victim. It should've been NiP, but Anonymo became the victim instead. If you was robbed, you shouldn't rob another person because of that, you know. Good solution was obvious: to say "unluko NiP, fu Flashpoint" and leave it as it is. That's what happens when referee screws up in sports.
2022-05-15 12:43
4 replies
But with a rematch, both teams had a fair shot. So I would argue it was the least bad solution to an issue that shouldn’t have existed. In what other sport would the players have to take a “play on with a disadvantage caused by organizer that only effects your team or forfeit” decision without even be able to discuss with coach or other staff?
2022-05-15 13:29
3 replies
One of the teams did nothing wrong and have won already. It's not a fair shot at all to force them to do it again. Their rematch demonstrated that disadvantage, even if existed, was very minor. You can make up as many excuses as you like, but the result must remain as long as it's not opponent's unfair actions, with or without being able to discuss with coach or other staff. If someone chooses unsportsmanlike behavior and disrespect for the opponent, the reaction of fans they receive would be predictable and fair.
2022-05-15 14:00
2 replies
The disadvantage was proven to exist, so why try and question it. No one said they had constant issues and couldn’t move. But in a close match as you said, having the dropped packages in the wrong position can be what decides the game. So the closeness doesn’t prove anything. How it can be unsportsmanlike behavior to complain about being screwed by TO for no reason at all? There was no fair solution after the game was forced to continue. The result was not fair since Anonymo didn’t face an opponent that was allowed to perform properly. With your view of unsportsmanlike behavior, was it then unsportsmanlike by Anonymo to continue the game, they know, NIP knew. But they accepted to play on with unfair advantage. Both team should have refused to play and the game would have been postponed.
2022-05-15 14:33
You're one dumb fucking person
2022-05-15 19:16
17 years is more than old to have dignity to not use exploit
2022-05-15 11:21
6 replies
#177
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Pakistan LoOuU2
its not an exploit per se if its deemed legal and allowed by the TO themselves to be used.
2022-05-15 11:30
2 replies
PGL admin is a moron. It’s an exploit by the book, literally a meta cancelling exploit. Everyone has agreed not to use it because of how busted it is.
2022-05-15 13:31
1 reply
#409
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Pakistan LoOuU2
yea thats true , it is PGL at fault and thats what i am trying to say
2022-05-15 13:35
#180
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Canada go1x1n00b
no 17 he's just a baby. almost an infant
2022-05-15 11:31
Lol? 17 is just a kid.
2022-05-15 12:03
1 reply
You still know right from wrong at the age of 17 though, lol.
2022-05-15 12:28
+1
2022-05-15 11:29
I wouldnt use this kind of smokes man... it's just too unfair and I think that exploiting these kind of bugs is against good sportsmanship. Just like olofboost, which was illegal only due to a small graphic glitch that didnt even affect the situation itself. He should not be banned or g2 punished but still it's quite dirty to use it. So you can give small blame on m0nesy as well
2022-05-15 11:37
7 replies
#208
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Pakistan LoOuU2
copy pasting this from the other thread where i replied : i think whole "moral values" thing is wayy overblown , its a competitive game with a lot riding on the stake and you will do everything within your power to get that mili-second advantage that propels you forward than the competitor. If it was something that wasnt within the knowledge of the governing body, in this case Valve and PGL than yea it was a dumbfuck move but if its allowed by the TO themself, its their own sole screwup. also the bug has existed for some time and there have been videos about it , i saw one from December of last year.
2022-05-15 11:38
6 replies
Yea cause it would be so cool to win exploiting bugs rather than with raw skill. But hey they'd be doing everything they possibly can!
2022-05-15 11:49
5 replies
#238
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Pakistan LoOuU2
2022-05-15 11:49
4 replies
Of course it's exploiting since he uses the bug to his advantage but not ABUSING since it's allowed
2022-05-15 11:53
3 replies
#247
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Pakistan LoOuU2
even if you want to go into the semantics of the word, i still dont see any problem in "exploiting" something IF its allowed by the governing body , simple as that.
2022-05-15 11:55
2 replies
Players be abusing the ak47 and m4a1s smh
2022-05-15 12:03
1 reply
#285
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Pakistan LoOuU2
what a dick those guys are , using a clearly better automatic rifle out of the ones available. Cant play with lesser weapons.
2022-05-15 12:06
#361
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Sweden wyv0
Blame valve, not PGL.
2022-05-15 12:52
3 replies
#365
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Pakistan LoOuU2
ugh its the same but not always, we cant ever know whether its Valve ruling it or just PGL saying so while Valve goes along with it because its PGL handling this tourny.
2022-05-15 12:53
2 replies
#366
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Sweden wyv0
Valve can fix this during this tournament tbh, but they probably wont, because they are lazy and hate CS:GO over Dota.
2022-05-15 12:54
1 reply
#369
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Pakistan LoOuU2
yea that is the case, DOTA is Gaben`s favourite child afterall. Anyway we got an agreement between teams now so its all good.
2022-05-15 12:55
+1. If it´s in game, then it´s a game feature, so why not use it? Like, if valve knows about it, but they dont give a ...., then why not use it? Kinda same with coach bug... How long do people know about it? It appeared for first time like 3-4 years ago, i think? So valve had atleast 1 year to fix it, but did they? Nope. So in my opinion ESIC, by banning those coaches, just basically prevented them from doing their job and make living? Cant you go to court with that? Like, it´s PART of the game, the developers knew about it and didnt remove it... so, by both teams using it, you are competing against each other... isn´t it the point of the game? And tournaments? To compete against each other? What is the problem with using what the game gives you and why should you be punished by doing so then? idk, each person has his own and different way how they see it, and this is how i see it...
2022-05-15 22:36
1 reply
#801
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Pakistan LoOuU2
hmm , thats a different perspective on it. I mean one could really argue that if the Devs really knew about something that can be exploited and give someone an advantage of any kind which would be deemed "unfair" , they would probably solve it but if they didnt and people exploit it , well they were the one who let it be there in the first place! but its more about unfair upperhand in any case i believe. Coach, unlike a player is not in an active position inside the server so anything he can do during the round time which influences the behaviour of the game itself, shouldnt be allowed in first place. But the players taking advantage of something like a smoke bug is a different ball game i believe , and something for which they shouldnt be punished unless its explicit to not exploit it
2022-05-19 14:36
#14
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Latvia Nekkitx
Good
2022-05-15 10:50
wtf did i just read "PGL added on Sunday that the they will "allow the smoke going forward."
2022-05-15 10:50
7 replies
Doing so they legitimate the prior use of it to avoid people thinking that G2 only won because of a bug exploit and give a fair ground to any teams. Making it forbidden afterwards would create tensions & dramas, they just want to avoid it between the teams. THey're taking all the blame for themselves (PGL). That's fair from them, because they allowed it in the first place while it's clearly a game breaking bug.
2022-05-15 10:56
6 replies
#66
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Switzerland nierg
+1 What would be nice now is a gentleman's agreement between the teams not to use it, like with the jump bug
2022-05-15 11:00
2 replies
+1
2022-05-15 11:01
Pretty sure this happened with the crouch jump bug but then BIG still used the bug even after agreeing not too
2022-05-15 11:45
not banning it still can create drama though. this bug is not just for mirage, there are smokes for overpass as well. it may be legal but teams who use it will still have their reputation tanked
2022-05-15 11:01
1 reply
I bet no team will give a damn about the reputation If using this advantage means going forward or potentially, losing out.
2022-05-15 11:15
#308
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Serbia DjapeZ
Tbh this is not on Pgl, this is on valve
2022-05-15 12:20
youtu.be/aR514IBf9y8 I made a video about this smoke, and it cant be allowed, omg
2022-05-15 10:50
sad that the br fans will still go after m0nesy, even though hes not at fault here
2022-05-15 10:50
66 replies
I don’t even understand how someone could think he is at fault here.
2022-05-15 10:54
21 replies
because he abused the bug just because he is the biggest talent csgo ever produced doesn't mean he is allowed to cheat. and bug abuse is cheating.
2022-05-15 11:08
20 replies
#104
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Serbia eliiiiii_
that smoke was widely known in FPL he just decided to ask if it's allowed and used it when he got a confirmation
2022-05-15 11:11
9 replies
but you think that if someone from a smaller org would have asked, they would have allowed it as well? and its still abusing a bug even if allowed so i think its fair to criticize him for using it. just because something is technically fine by the rules doesn't mean its morally ok
2022-05-15 11:15
8 replies
#134
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Serbia eliiiiii_
it would've been allowed because they'd also have asked BEFORE using it if m0nesy used it without asking, G2 would probably be favorized as a big org and not punished as opposed to say, a smaller org who would've made an upset with that smoke
2022-05-15 11:17
6 replies
#179
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Brazil MaximusXS
This bug gives a greater opportunity to impact the game than the coach bug. Funny that a witch hunt was made with the coaches, but the young promise is turned a blind eye. So interesting...
2022-05-15 11:30
5 replies
#209
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Serbia eliiiiii_
it's not the same that's not to say that it shouldn't have been banned instantly
2022-05-15 11:40
2 replies
#235
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Brazil MaximusXS
How is it not the same? He can break and turn the TR smoke invisible only to him. Getting kills and giving information as he please. No one with morals would take advantage of such a thing in the most important international tournament in the game.
2022-05-15 11:47
1 reply
But... Astralis abused the smoke / radar bug and dominated for years. Stop being delusional, if a team finds an exploit and would most likely not get caught, they would definitely use it. It happens in sports and e-sports.
2022-05-15 19:32
The difference is that m0nesy ASKED PGL if he can use the bug. Meanwhile, coaches got stuck in a bug and decided to just not report it and move on with the game. It's on PGL to not allow it here, not on m0nesy to not use it when it is allowed.
2022-05-15 11:59
1 reply
#566
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Finland Glibsu
+1 Brazil boys too angery about this ;DD. 100% PGL fault for allowing it.
2022-05-15 16:38
Yes
2022-05-15 11:19
Cheating is when you break the rules, broky did not break the rules because the smoke was allowed, is that simple
2022-05-15 11:17
4 replies
pgl is a joke for allowing it. its that simple
2022-05-15 11:22
3 replies
Completely agree, hopefully m0nesy doesn’t get any major hate or death threats
2022-05-15 11:24
1 reply
It was against the favourite Brazilian team. What do you think is going to happen? Next Major is in Rio as well. Wouldn't be surprised if he's going to get a lot of hate there.
2022-05-15 12:00
then blame PGL and not m0nesy lmao
2022-05-15 11:43
My point was that responsibility should go towards the entire g2 instead of insane hate towards this kid like he found it by himself and secretly used it.
2022-05-15 11:25
4 replies
secretly how? he even asked if he's allowed to and they said yes.
2022-05-15 11:31
2 replies
That was exactly my point. You missed the word “LIKE” and by typing it I meant “as if”
2022-05-15 11:36
#213
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Lithuania arres
Thats his point
2022-05-15 11:41
#765
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Brazil Gb5sZ
I dont see any hate against monesy right now, i hope PGL never host a major again
2022-05-16 12:51
Just like everyone went after NIP for Flashpoints 40% screwup.
2022-05-15 11:15
10 replies
#136
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Serbia eliiiiii_
that wasn't flashpoint, it was the org basically flexing and blackmailing anonymo
2022-05-15 11:18
9 replies
No, it was flashpoint, both teams approved postpone and server change. Flashpoint refused and said NIP either play on or they will forfeit. Flashpoint screwed both teams and there was no good or fair outcome, rematch or not.
2022-05-15 11:23
Blackmailing huh .. ig anonymo confided in you privately about that
2022-05-15 11:46
#253
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
that wasn't PGL, it was the org basically flexing and blackmailing Imperial
2022-05-15 11:56
6 replies
It wasn't though. m0nesy asked PGL at the RMR if they can use the smoke, and PGL approved.
2022-05-15 12:02
5 replies
#350
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
yep, flashpoint approved NIP as well, it can be pretty similar situation if you think about it
2022-05-15 12:47
4 replies
It's been a while, and I don't remember how it went exactly, but the difference is that NIP went into the game with the loss (which was on them to fix in this case, not on Flashpoint) and then AFTER they played the game and lost, complained and leveraged their entire fanbase and influence to hate on Flashpoint to get them to approve. m0nesy just went to PGL and asked "This smoke is in the game, and I'm not sure if it can be used legally. Can I use it in the tournament?" These two are the same.
2022-05-15 12:52
3 replies
#567
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
actually it was a flashpoint that was on fault for the ping (they admitted that the server was the problem), so I think it's pretty similar (bcs both teams got hate, even though they didn't deserve it)
2022-05-15 16:42
2 replies
Fair. Though I think a lot of the hate on NIP was the way the wined and bitched about it. But yeah, if it is how you said it, it's on Flashpoint. Problem is that I vaguely remember it was more on NIP, but hey, probably my memory :p
2022-05-15 16:45
1 reply
#577
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Bulgaria Bulg1us
Yeah you're probably right, the whining after the match from NIP was not cool at all. Yeah I mean you can't be 100% sure, bcs no one knows if NIP really did pressure flashpoint for the rematch (although how I said before, even the whining of the NIP players on Twitter after the match was inappropriate)
2022-05-15 16:56
Its in the end his choice to use that smoke in all the situations. So of course one can blame him for using dirty tricks. I would like to think that most players wouldn't actually use that trick, because its so dirty. Maybe I'm wrong. Is that enough to blame monesy for it is subjective, but not all things are ever written in the actual rulebook. I don't think its that unreasonable to call the trick out for being dirty. Point being that most players will likely face community backlash if deciding to use that trick, even when its allowed. So every player can decide for themselves whether they want to take that risk.
2022-05-15 11:24
24 replies
It's as dirty as a standard one-way smoke. I doubt any pro wouldn't use it.
2022-05-15 12:04
23 replies
Its more dirty, much more. Normal one-way works everywhere same way. This just deletes a part of existing smoke when inside the said smoke, so you cannot even see that outside. So its anyones guess how it will work in different positions.
2022-05-15 13:10
22 replies
It's as dirty as a one-way smoke. A one-way smoke is all about knowing the one-way smoke exists and then acting accordingly. The same can be said here. You throw your mid-window smoke on MIrage. Your opponents throw this one-way 'deleting' smoke. What do you do? Just sit there and ignore it? No! You spam that corner that they would normally peak from. Or nade it, or whatever. How is this different from a one-way?
2022-05-15 13:15
21 replies
The difference is that when you get killed from new oneway, you instantly know where you got killed and learn to be aware of that trap. With this it is not at all that certain. Easiest explanation for this, when you see it first time in the server, would be a failed window smoke. And it could also be random spam. Of course it easy to learn from demos afterwards what really happened, but not inside the server during important match like this. Lets say that you could do this same to Nuke smokewalls. How the fuck can you know that its not just random spam through smoke or that your smokes are not just thrown badly. You can't really get birdeye look at the situation at that moment to see that there is one random extra smoke there that may or may not mean something. Nuke is nice example because it would be impossible to tell. Its not that obvious in Mirage window either when not knowing what to look at.
2022-05-15 13:33
20 replies
If it's a one-way you also won't know immediately when you see a smoke and get killed through it. Some one-ways still give the notification with the smoke. You still have to go to the demo to figure out what happened.
2022-05-15 13:42
19 replies
Well the spam argument work for both, though most smoke spamming happens through those smokes that always gets thrown so one has some indicator where to spam. Not through random specific smokes in not so obvious positions, which are often used in one-ways. The "failed thrown smoke" argument does not work for one-way though.
2022-05-15 13:54
18 replies
The failed thrown smoke isn't a legit argument. I ignore that. I just think this is the same as any other one-way smoke personally. You can clearly see it's happening if you know about it and you can counter it if you know it's happening.
2022-05-15 13:56
17 replies
Yeah and my point is more when you don't know when its happening, what to expect. That is where is the biggest difference between oneways and this. If you want to ingore that, well scenario only affecting one match, then I can agree with you. However for especially this major tournament we cannot ingore that scenario. The failed throw argument also mainly works for this scenario, so don't ingnore that either. And the original question was whether this is more problematic than oneway and I think it is, in these scenarios at least.
2022-05-15 14:02
16 replies
How do you not know when it's happening with this m0nesy smoke? It's a big gray blob at the corner of window. I think it's the exact same as a one-way.
2022-05-15 14:04
15 replies
Do you notice the "big grey blob" from your deathcam how easily? And I put the nuke example in one of the previous comments for a reason. There could easily be positions where one wouldn't see such "big grey blob" like one sees in this window position.
2022-05-15 14:08
14 replies
But just like with a one-way smoke, it's about figuring out what happened and finding a solution. I so far haven't seen any use of this where you can't see the 'exploit' smoke. If you can find me one, please give it to me. Your Nuke example to my understanding is purely hypothetical, and probably impossible. The second smoke has to be thrown on top of the first smoke to be able to use this bug (again from what I have seen). Thus you'd be able to see the smoke and know that someone is trying to use the bug. When you know someone is using the bug, you can counter it, just like when you know someone is using a one-way smoke.
2022-05-15 14:17
13 replies
On fundamental level I agree with you, after seeing a demo there is not that big difference. However I do think that inside the server during a match its much easier to figure out when being killed from oneway than when being killed by this. In a scenario when you are not aware of that specific trick beforehand. That is where the big problem lies regarding this major and why this is worse than normal oneway.
2022-05-15 14:23
12 replies
I can agree that you won't immediately think of this being used as a one-way, but that's because your mind hasn't been trained to do so yet. Back when one-ways were first used, you wouldn't have been able to figure it out either, right? Now you just have to start paying attention when these weird smokes pop up that there might be this new type of one-way. I personally think of it as just a new problem that doesn't have a clear-cut solution yet. Do you always have to have days to try and figure things out? You can literally sit in the server for an hour or so right now and learn how to throw the smoke yourself. Should G2 not be rewarded for doing this before the tournament started?
2022-05-15 14:27
11 replies
I'm fine with this. You at least understood my point finally. I'm happy. Have a nice day.
2022-05-15 14:30
10 replies
But you don't think it's a new problem that has to be solved and G2 should be applauded for using this rather than scowled? Now I want to make sure you understand my point! :p
2022-05-15 14:37
9 replies
I think the potential issues this type of bug could have heavily outweight any creativity points we should give from this. I gave the nuke example and no, I don't know if it is possible, but what if it is? It would destroy the whole meta of that map. This is first example of this type of bug I see, there is no reason to think it couldn't be done elsewhere. What if Mirage A executes could be ruined because you could make a hole to jungle smoke with this? What if you cannot smoke off Dust2 tunnels reliably? What if you cannot smoke donut off when plantin A site Ancient? Essentially this has theorethical potential to ruin all smokes that enemy can be inside of. That is very worrying. If this is the only instance we will ever see this happening, and we could know that, then I would give G2 credit. It most likely is not. Its telling enough that cs-ppa decided to take act to prevent its use.
2022-05-15 14:54
8 replies
So far just a lot of what-ifs. I give G2 credit for actually putting the time in to learn about and try and use it. That being said: I think all types of one-ways are bad for the game in general.
2022-05-15 14:58
7 replies
That is fair view of things you have. Nothing wrong in that. If this was found during pro league or such, I wouldn't be as worried. I don't want major winner to be decided because of anything like this.I glad its not possible at this major.
2022-05-15 15:02
6 replies
Yeah, I can understand that.
2022-05-15 15:05
5 replies
Getting hard to read here... Just a little more
2022-05-15 17:55
4 replies
Just a little more...
2022-05-15 18:31
3 replies
Can you still read me?
2022-05-15 18:38
2 replies
I can barely replay though.
2022-05-15 19:33
1 reply
WE CAN
2022-05-16 12:39
#538
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Brazil Suxh1
Stop assuming things dude, despite thinking that this was pretty unfair, no one will go after his head for this
2022-05-15 15:46
2 replies
people already have lmao
2022-05-15 15:47
1 reply
I am going
2022-05-15 19:43
Who used it? Him So he is faulty and so is the whole team, they should have punished them by giving the map to imperial
2022-05-15 18:03
2 replies
Pgl admins approved it, so no they shouldnt be punished
2022-05-15 21:04
1 reply
pgl are fking clowns, the fact that you can do it don"t mean you should pathetic cheaters
2022-05-15 21:05
Not his fault. But his dignity lmao. What a shame to use that shit
2022-05-15 23:34
#696
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Brazil Lok72
shut up, finland spoted opinion rejected
2022-05-16 00:28
What a joke
2022-05-15 10:50
#19
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Brazil davidthall
KKKKKKKKKKK
2022-05-15 10:50
#20
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Russia mshkoda
Ilya the nerd-prodigy😎
2022-05-15 10:51
#21
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Serbia ;mytH
rekt
2022-05-15 10:51
#22
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Denmark slacking
allowing game breaking bug abuse, nice one pgl
2022-05-15 10:51
1 reply
#83
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United States KhT
They did the same back in 2017,allowed the crouch jump bug hltv.org/news/21053/crouch-jump-bug-offi..
2022-05-15 11:06
PGL is a joke officially
2022-05-15 10:51
4 replies
cry
2022-05-15 11:14
3 replies
stfu
2022-05-15 11:15
2 replies
cry lil boy
2022-05-15 11:15
1 reply
#697
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Brazil Lok72
kiddo
2022-05-16 00:28
Nice but Br will Rage and Mald
2022-05-15 10:51
14 replies
Not really, it is what it is
2022-05-15 11:17
It makes me angry to see people generalizing Brazilians as murderers...
2022-05-15 12:05
12 replies
#536
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United States charybids
How Brazilians reacted after the Chaos incident solidified their (bad) image
2022-05-15 15:41
11 replies
Prove that I reacted like this and threatened Chaos players. Stop being an idiot and stop generalizing a country.
2022-05-15 15:49
10 replies
Maybe start by stopping your countrymen's behaviour. Keeping quiet does not help.
2022-05-15 17:33
9 replies
???? Fuck if they're Brazilians, they're human beings like anyone else, you can't judge them by nationality...
2022-05-15 17:34
3 replies
Yet you can help shut them up, you are a fellow Brazilian, you have more power than us to stop this problem. If we say "stop, saying these things are not acceptable" then these people think we are against them, they think world is vs them. In turn, people who generalise Brazilians will look stupid if Brazilians are a little less abusive to others.
2022-05-15 17:37
#699
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Brazil Lok72
dont give attention to this clown
2022-05-16 00:29
1 reply
ok
2022-05-16 00:32
#698
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Brazil Lok72
shut up, insecure prick
2022-05-16 00:28
4 replies
My friend, please go outside, you seem very emotional over this.
2022-05-16 02:10
3 replies
#731
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Brazil Lok72
was out there grabbin flowers with your mum
2022-05-16 02:17
2 replies
All you're doing is proving my comment
2022-05-16 02:30
1 reply
#735
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Brazil Lok72
your papa helps also he asked for classes on how to educate on tier 1 screen kids
2022-05-16 02:36
rip mid control on mirage
2022-05-15 10:52
1 reply
#211
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Czech Republic JameS_19
At least it mixes up the meta, it was so boring, the same all the time
2022-05-15 11:41
#27
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CIS NaVi_Boss
MAD ZILIANS YOU CAN CRY HERE ->
2022-05-15 10:52
6 replies
Ok. Thank you. GO BUG OR GO HOME. The kid has no ethics. Someone has to say it here.
2022-05-15 11:33
5 replies
What's the difference between this smoke and another one-way smoke?
2022-05-15 12:05
4 replies
The difference is huge. First. Imperial did not know about it. Second. It was already smoked, so there is no reason to think it was an one way smoke. Which means he used a bug and broke the integrity of the game. It was a disrespectful act and it should not be allowed by the organization. They look like clowns now.
2022-05-15 12:12
1 reply
Imperial could've known about it. It's been in the game for months and G2 have (apparently) even used it in the past. If you watch the demo, you can literally see a second smoke pop in the corner of the window. If you know this exists (which is on Imperial for not knowing), you know to prefire that angle just as with any one-way smoke.
2022-05-15 12:16
#700
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Brazil Lok72
this isnt an one way, havent even saw the bug smh
2022-05-16 00:29
1 reply
It's the same as a one-way. A one-way is a smoke where you can see the enemy while they can't see you. That's what this is as well. It's just a different version of a one-way.
2022-05-16 10:33
#28
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Germany Nervous187
BR7S1L copium inc
2022-05-15 10:52
Nice investment in PGL by Carlos
2022-05-15 10:52
2 replies
kek
2022-05-15 11:30
Invest a 17 year old DIK what a shame
2022-05-15 23:35
#31
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Czech Republic forseti12
death threats incoming
2022-05-15 10:53
#32
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Sweden Juuzou_
I mean, fix it valve.
2022-05-15 10:53
So mid on Mirage is now rigged.
2022-05-15 10:54
How tf is this allowed to go forward?! PGL is an utter joke... Big daddy VOLVO has to step in
2022-05-15 10:54
#37
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El Salvador Bredalow
Olofboost not allowed but this game breaking exploit is? Valve are Hypocrites
2022-05-15 10:54
5 replies
#40
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Russia Soawii
olofboost much mope OP, tf are you on about
2022-05-15 10:54
#49
BzOo | 
France JBzOo
Olofboost oneway bullet
2022-05-15 10:56
ahahahaha cry :((
2022-05-15 11:07
#113
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Germany LANDWHALE
Dude that was a pixelboost which couldn't be spotted from below and oversaw like two thirds of the map. Fnatic also achieved a totally unreasonable comeback with it, not in any way comparable to this
2022-05-15 11:14
if you read the article before commenting you will have seen that the olfoboost was actualy allowed but ban from a gentleman agreemend between teams. So yeah don't expect anything from official or csgo in such a short notice. The best we can hope is an another gentlemen agreemend in between teams to not use the double smoke bug for this major
2022-05-15 11:37
#38
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Russia Soawii
this could be countered easily, just like one ways. but anyway i hope valve fixes this or teams make a gentlemen's agreement
2022-05-15 10:54
Valve need fix all f*kin one way smokes... All this shit is a bug
2022-05-15 10:54
#42
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Turkey duxs1
its like crouch jump bug, its legal but unfair
2022-05-15 10:54
2 replies
#48
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Italy MulaManca
I think they actually disallowed the crouch bug
2022-05-15 10:56
1 reply
#272
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CIS kuuler
BIG abused it all the way through to play offs Some teams just made agreement with each other to not use it
2022-05-15 12:02
Anyone blaming m0nesy is braindead
2022-05-15 10:55
#46
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United Kingdom Bullitead
Let’s all just wait here and see how many of the haters post their apologies XD
2022-05-15 10:55
#50
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Norway HologramM
monesy just make pgl look idiotic
2022-05-15 10:57
HAHAHAHA
2022-05-15 10:57
PGL and Valve what a joke!
2022-05-15 10:57
1 reply
#199
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Sweden X4l3rio
+1 If people dont find an agreement to ban this shit i hope more bugs are found until a ban is made. Unbeliveble.
2022-05-15 11:36
Vitality Lets use this smoke now. Fuck since monesy can do can others
2022-05-15 10:58
PG2L.
2022-05-15 10:57
#56
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Brazil AWFenrir
Monesy should be punished, but if PGL is proven to have allowed this, punishment goes to PGL. Any cheat or bug abuse should not be allowed, regardless of whether the player is Russian, Brazilian or whatever the nationality. I was never in favor of, for example, unbanning VSM. Any bad character player/organization must be punished.
2022-05-15 10:58
17 replies
VSM was punished, and then his sentence ended Unbanning someone doesn't undo the punishment, they served their time
2022-05-15 10:59
cry :(
2022-05-15 11:05
6 replies
#91
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Brazil AWFenrir
I'm not crying, I just want a fairer game for everyone. If there was a rematch, the outcome would likely be no different.
2022-05-15 11:08
5 replies
But why didn’t Navi cry then? Or Anonymo? It only when Fallen loses that every excuse in the world needs to be found.
2022-05-15 11:21
4 replies
#160
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Brazil AWFenrir
Well, they should! An unfair practice was used against them.
2022-05-15 11:24
3 replies
Scummy Fallen, the man famous for faking tech issues when he is out tactical pauses, whines on “unfair practice” the irony is painful.
2022-05-15 11:28
2 replies
#214
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Brazil AWFenrir
And he was punished for it. If you have a personal issue against him, it doesn't mean you need to defend an unfair practice against his team.
2022-05-15 11:41
1 reply
I believe this should be banned, I just found it hilarious and a bit hypocritical that it’s the BR fans crying when they usually have no issues defending any action by their players…
2022-05-15 11:55
It's not unfair if you consider that it's been in the game for months and every other team can use it. Unfair would mean that only G2 can use it, but that's not the case. This is also similar to a standard one-way smoke. You gonna hate on people using those? The advantage is the same. m0nesy shouldn't be punished because he asked PGL if this bug was allowed. PGL shouldn't be punished, because it's their own judgement of what is and isn't allowed. Just go after Valve to actually fix bugs that have been in the game for months.
2022-05-15 12:14
7 replies
#604
fnx | 
Brazil Moglao
"This is also similar to a standard one-way smoke" no it's not, it's literally a bug, a smoke gets cleared by another smoke. Not even similar to a one way smoke
2022-05-15 17:58
6 replies
Maybe it's a bug (I personally consider a one-way smoke a bug as well in some cases, since it's not meant to be used that way and an accidental consequence of how the physics work), but the effect is the same as a one-way smoke, no matter how you try to work around it. I did some testing, and it's super easy to deny this smoke being used because for this specific instance it's exactly for the way the window smoke is thrown right now that it works, but if you throw it a bit more to the left, it won't work as well and you'll get an easy prefire.
2022-05-15 18:30
5 replies
#693
fnx | 
Brazil Moglao
A one way smoke is a smoke that has a gap. There's no gap in the T's smoke, and there's no gap in monesy's smoke, it's just a smoke clearing another one and this shouldn't happen. You can deny a one way smoke by throwing a smoke that covers everything, that is the case of the T's smoke, it covered the whole window, if monesy did an actual one way smoke on that spot, it would not work. It's not a one way smoke and it should not be treated as it, it's clearly a bug
2022-05-16 00:18
2 replies
There are one-way smokes that have a gap not because it was intentional but because of the way it was coded. This is equally an exploit. In my opinion all of these should just be banned, but if you allow one version, you should allow both. If you want to deny the G2-smoke, you can throw your smoke slightly more to the right-side of window and it's effect is down to almost nothing. You can deny it completely if you use a second smoke. It doesn't open op the entire smoke, just a part of it that's coded poorly.
2022-05-16 10:35
1 reply
#798
fnx | 
Brazil Moglao
"just a part of it that's coded poorly." thats why it's a bug, not a real one way smoke. Real one way smokes are not exploits neither bugs. m0nesy's smokes CLEARED another smoke, that's a bug. In a real one way smoke, your vision still is prejudiced by the smoke, on m0nesy's, his vision was ALL CLEAR INSIDE A SMOKE. Also you shouldn't have to counter something that shouldn't happen Trying to explain it as clearly as possible. Not so hard to understand
2022-05-18 19:05
#701
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Brazil Lok72
"(I personally consider a one-way smoke" ok thanks for shoqwing us you are special, move on
2022-05-16 00:31
1 reply
What do you see as a one-way then? Surely a one-way can be defined as a smoke where you can see the enemy while they can't see you? This is just a different version of a one-way. This also isn't the only version of a one-way that wasn't intended in the game, but because this LOOKS worse (and it was against your favourite team), you're on it like rabbit dogs. Think of how you'd counter another one-way smoke. Try to apply those thoughts to this one and then see that it's the same.
2022-05-16 10:38
+1
2022-05-15 18:51
RIP monesy twitter DMs
2022-05-15 10:58
omfg !!!! at least forbid it until the end of the competition fucking retarded organisers
2022-05-15 10:58
lmao
2022-05-15 10:58
#60
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Qatar olaolakaka
9z coach got banned right before major because of coach bug millennias ago? dont allow him to enter the venue! integrity and fairness must be preserved! G2 player use bug? yeah we allowed it. just get good bro what a joke lol
2022-05-15 10:58
6 replies
Coach bug allowed coaches to view the whole map and have info on the enemy team at any point, there is no way you can compare the two
2022-05-15 11:16
3 replies
#212
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Slovakia ypsylonnn
And this smoke allows you to hold the whole mid on mirage without terrorists having any idea whats going on Its not just a pixel one way where u see a little gap, this smoke basically cancels the window smoke
2022-05-15 11:41
2 replies
There are ways to avoid this tho. Use top mid smoke and molly window, or prefire the spot. You can legit see the second smoke and can hear it pop, now that everyone knows about it it's no longer an issue. On the other hand you can't avoid the coach bug.
2022-05-15 11:43
difference is one is legal and one isn’t don’t blame 9z coach / m0nesy for this, blame the TOs/ESIC who make and enforce the rules
2022-05-15 11:45
This is so true. I hate this decision by PGL and valce etc. Why coach bug illegal, when this bug is legal??. Every game breaking bug should be handled equally.. The smoke Monesy uses probably has equally amount of inpact on the game as the coach bug. Please Valve and admins make better decisions.. The coach bug has resulted in big trash talk towards the coaches as it has been seen as cheating, well a bug is a bug. Either you allow the intended use of bugs or you don't.
2022-05-15 11:19
The difference is that m0nesy asked PGL if he can use the smoke, while coaches used it and then didn't mention it to admins.
2022-05-15 12:18
*Laughs in Valorant*
2022-05-15 10:59
#63
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Poland RulikSon
LMAO PGL....
2022-05-15 10:59
1 reply
PGL fault!!! PGL have to inform Valve to fix this bug or restrict players to use this bug. But, they allow this means this is their fault not monesy if monesy really asked for this in RMR tournament (I have doubt that PGL wants to cover this mistake by accepting this bug). I hope Valve fix this bug ASAP & PGL can't organize major atleast for upcoming 3 years.
2022-05-15 12:13
brasil malding on the back of a 17 year old who puts in the hours and has the talent. blind fandom and this crazy behavior is the reason I will never vibe with brasilian majority fan culture.
2022-05-15 11:00
8 replies
Others fought 10 years to play this major and lose to a cheater.
2022-05-15 11:03
#144
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Brazil MadVini
If he is so talented then why he needs to bug abuse in 12345372839 rounds???
2022-05-15 11:20
> criticising "blind fandom" > yet defending bug exploiting just because the guy "puts in the hours" and "has the talent" I wonder who is at blind fandom here
2022-05-15 11:22
1 reply
#702
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Brazil Lok72
+1
2022-05-16 00:32
expected from bug clan fan
2022-05-15 14:41
#552
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Brazil Anarchybr
You’re a BIG fan. Lmao
2022-05-15 16:17
#605
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Sweden pluskyyy
has so much talent that he has to cheat to beat old men
2022-05-15 17:59
BUG clan fan talking lmfao
2022-05-16 01:28
bug abuser bugnesy
2022-05-15 11:01
1 reply
xD
2022-05-15 11:01
Brazilians salty ofc
2022-05-15 11:01
#72
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Bulgaria ramkain
Disgusting
2022-05-15 11:01
this is joke
2022-05-15 11:02
So by this statement coach bug were also allowed. Cuz they were part of the client at this time.
2022-05-15 11:03
4 replies
+1 This is such a dumb decision
2022-05-15 11:07
The difference between the coach-bug and this bug is that m0nesy ASKED PGL if he can use the smoke BEFORE using it. Meanwhile the coaches who got stuck in the bug just never mentioned it to the admins and acted like nothing happened.
2022-05-15 12:21
2 replies
#704
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Brazil Lok72
yeah, on RMR qualifiers, not on this stage smh
2022-05-16 00:32
1 reply
They play under the same rules. smh
2022-05-16 10:38
#78
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Brazil jpauloba
Monesy did what he should. Don’t blame him, however, for cs, it’s terrible. It’s clear a bug, in fact 2 bugs, one is that the smoke stops in nowhere, and then the visualisation bug. With all the drama of the coach bug, this should never be approved. PGL had the worst decision ever.
2022-05-15 11:04
PGL what are you smoking
2022-05-15 11:04
1 reply
#82
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
mirage window smoke
2022-05-15 11:06
How in the earth can you allow this smoke ??????? This doesnt make a fucking sense you are high fuck
2022-05-15 11:06
2 replies
Can not agree more
2022-05-15 18:05
#706
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Brazil Lok72
+1
2022-05-16 00:33
#85
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
this will cause chaos
2022-05-15 11:07
It can't be fair, m0nesy has clear vision, but killfeed shows that he get the kills through the smoke, soooooooo? it's kindly unfair
2022-05-15 11:07
9 replies
Just like a one-way smoke.
2022-05-15 12:22
8 replies
when u use one-way u don't have that clearly vision like m0nesy already had
2022-05-15 12:38
7 replies
In some cases you do. At this level, it's very much the same. And even if you don't, the principle is still the same. "I can see you, you can't see me" It's also fair in the sense that everyone can use it. It's been in the game for months, so it's on other teams if they can't properly react to it.
2022-05-15 12:40
6 replies
but? do imperial see both smokes or just m0nesy smoke?
2022-05-15 12:43
5 replies
Both, but just like a one-way smoke, you know it's up, so you know you can be seen. The solution? Pre-fire that spot. The second smoke is literally a big gray blob in the corner of window. Not exactly subtle.
2022-05-15 12:45
4 replies
if imperial see both smoke, but m0nesy see only one, so imo it's bug abuse. He literally cancel enemy smoke.
2022-05-15 12:49
3 replies
But if Imperial were aware this smoke existed (which they should've been since it's been in the game for months and been used in tournaments prior to this), they would know what was happening, just like a one-way. m0nesy gets an advantage, yes, but that's also the case with a one-way smoke. So either you say "All one-way smokes are bad." or you just leave this for what it is and move on.
2022-05-15 12:55
2 replies
#707
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Brazil Lok72
they werent, monesy did five times, why u trying to deflex?
2022-05-16 00:34
1 reply
It's not G2's fault if Imperial weren't aware this was a possibility.
2022-05-16 10:40
what a fucking joke
2022-05-15 11:08
BUG2
2022-05-15 11:08
#96
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Turkey Sendurmen
bug
2022-05-15 11:09
does this smoke work on nornal 64 tick MM?
2022-05-15 11:09
#98
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Finland 5way
cry is free
2022-05-15 11:10
2 replies
G2 wont win anyways Had to bug the map to win against washed/retired players lol
2022-05-16 00:00
#708
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Brazil Lok72
finland detected opinion rejected
2022-05-16 00:35
#99
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Denmark valt3rr
Pgl are so dumb lmaooo There is no blame to put on Ilya and all the blame to put on Pgl!!!
2022-05-15 11:10
mOnEZy
2022-05-15 11:10
ok it happened but this cannot be allowed any further, literally smoking window is the main way to take mid control on mirage. If i were any team in the major i just would refuse to keep the map on the veto until this is removed or agreed not to play
2022-05-15 11:11
1 reply
it can happen on all maps
2022-05-15 11:13
#102
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Brazil MadVini
WHAAATT???? THIS IS RIDICULOUS!! This KID is cheating and PGL is supporting him
2022-05-15 11:11
2 replies
#127
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Romania silksz12
cry is free
2022-05-15 11:16
PGL is joking & kidding with you guys bcoz they fear G2. G2 A.k.A. Carlos >>>>>>>PGL
2022-05-15 12:15
BUG Abuser should be banned like the coaches
2022-05-15 11:11
To be honest, it's just an improved one-way smoke. No, it shouldn't work like it does. Yes, it's still only a one-way smoke, and every team knows about it now just like they did know about the one-way smoke without another smoke blocking it. The problem is with the game as well, it's not a mirage thing, you can do the same shit on overpass A stairs near the trash. It should be banned from now on though.
2022-05-15 11:20
11 replies
#159
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Brazil MadVini
-1 dumb hltv user Monesy's smoke cancel the t-side smoke and creates a gap only for him. Itsnt cheating??
2022-05-15 11:24
6 replies
No it isn't cheating, the tournament organizers were asked about in the RMR if it was and it was allowed. What it is though, it's broken and should have never been allowed. There's potential on other maps like ancient donut tunnel and CT spawn tunnel.
2022-05-15 11:27
2 replies
#204
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Brazil MadVini
I think that you didn't notice that the smoke explodes in mid-air (pixel bug) plus creates a gap that shoud not exists Also the KID is abusing this shit
2022-05-15 11:37
1 reply
Who cares that he's "abusing" the smoke? He was allowed to use it and PGL has literally said right here that it's allowed. And I know how it works. That's why I said it needs to be banned.
2022-05-15 11:56
If you watch the demo you can see m0nesy's smoke in the corner of the window. Thus you know there is going to be this one-way smoke and you need to pre-fire that spot. Simple as that.
2022-05-15 12:25
2 replies
#468
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Brazil MadVini
You're sayin that like the bug exists since 2k21, but this is something new just like olof boost was back in the days
2022-05-15 14:31
1 reply
It's been discovered in December 2021 and even used in official matches. It's just the first time it's been talked about this much. It wasn't talked about it either after the Na'Vi game, where m0nesy used it to win when 15-14 behind. Only after the Brazilians got it used against them people started talking.
2022-05-15 14:35
#223
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Slovakia ypsylonnn
Its not a one way lmao It cancels the window smoke and u can see the whole mid from window, not just a tiny gap
2022-05-15 11:43
2 replies
It functions like a one-way. You need to be at a precise spot to see anyone but the problem no longer is that you can use it at window of mirage, rather than you can use it literally every map. That's why it's a problem. And m0nesy has done nothing wrong.
2022-05-15 11:58
1 reply
#710
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Brazil Lok72
-1
2022-05-16 00:35
#709
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Brazil Lok72
-1 finland brain here sirs
2022-05-16 00:35
should have at least prohibited the smoke from being used onwards in the tournament, now it's going to be mad stupid with these every map
2022-05-15 11:12
1 reply
Agreed. Dumb to let it through in the RMR and they had all the time to just say from now on it's not allowed, I suspect that no one really cared about it as it's really niche
2022-05-15 11:29
its like the jumpbug at PGL 2017 but with extra spice because people get banned left and right for bug abuse currently wondering where this will go
2022-05-15 11:12
THIS GAME IS BROKEN
2022-05-15 11:12
Nothing wrong if it was approved. Cry is free.
2022-05-15 11:13
lost all respect for g2
2022-05-15 11:13
9 replies
M0nesy asks if it's ok in the RMR, and it was, what has G2 done wrong?
2022-05-15 11:15
6 replies
G2 did wrong putting m0nesy to this situation facing certain community backlash they should have guessed would come. I don't think the backlash is unreasonable. The players need to decide whether they want to risk that.
2022-05-15 11:26
4 replies
So it's G2's problem that m0nesy found a thing that was allowed by the organizers when asked about it. Huh. Ok. The only blame I can cast in this moment is towards PGL.
2022-05-15 11:32
3 replies
G2 analysts or similar support staff most likely found the smoke. Thats what the support staff are for. And yes, G2 should not have put m0nesy to that situation from all people. M0nesy will hear from this years to come, that will just happen. Does not have anything to do whether it was justified or not.
2022-05-15 11:34
2 replies
No he won't, only Brazilians think he committed a crime. And you coming up with a situation you can't prove doesn't change anything. Monesy is just fine and no one outside Brazil is assigning blame onto him, PGL is getting the blame and deservedly so
2022-05-15 11:55
1 reply
We will see that. My point was that is was stupid for M0nesy and for G2 to take such risk for such young and promising player.
2022-05-15 13:06
He is not wrong at all and he should not be banned but he lost dignity to use such a dick method.
2022-05-15 23:39
+1 ironic especially after that niko retweet about heroic
2022-05-15 11:22
#184
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Other Quagmire_
I don't think they care lmao
2022-05-15 11:31
So many hypocrites in comments, i bet if someone else did it *cough* heroic players *cough* people would go insane and ask for disqualification
2022-05-15 11:14
4 replies
How could you DQ someone based on something you yourself allowed? RMR happened and m0nesy used it there and it was ok, he asked for permission. It absolutely should be banned from now on, too many spots you can use it at
2022-05-15 11:19
2 replies
Trust me, they would do that. This shouldnt be allowed in the first place because its clearly an exploit
2022-05-15 12:13
1 reply
Trust you? You're talking in the literal thread that confirms that PGL, and in extension Valve, in fact, wouldn't do that.
2022-05-15 12:14
#711
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Brazil Lok72
didnt they even stopped a match between gambit and heroic saying heroic did a prohibited molly on vertigo? that was never mentioned before in rulebook those guys are literally a joke
2022-05-16 00:37
Bullshit, this shouldnt be allowed.
2022-05-15 11:14
It's like "oh noes we let em do it @ qualifier, can't change rules now", ofc you can, just needed to announce it before legend stage or challenger stage. Now it will make a lot of discussion and also teams will ban mirage or use this to the max. Yeah and you can find this on every map i guess as soon as you find spot where your top smoke will "stay" already guy shown on overapass: twitter.com/LangCSGO/status/152569941557..
2022-05-15 11:17
#128
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Russia mnight
a 10 year old game is still full of bugs and players are to blame? Why isn't there an updated list of do and donts then?
2022-05-15 11:16
2 replies
+1
2022-05-15 11:53
Because Valve don't care enough about the game?
2022-05-15 12:37
cheater
2022-05-15 11:17
Look on twitter pgl last message :)))) we allow this smoke bug
2022-05-15 11:18
Shame on pgl
2022-05-15 11:20
nahhh 100x100 smooth movements and utility knowledge... Cmon guys, round 3 major and just no miss 1 step, next time 3 he window no problem, but kid0esy smooth criminal
2022-05-15 11:20
Moe MONESY Szyslak VAC BAN CHECK HLTV
2022-05-15 11:20
PGL doubling down because their admins fucked up is the funniest shit ever
2022-05-15 11:21
2 replies
#295
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Australia rationale
Exactly. Shit decision. Shit conclusion.
2022-05-15 12:15
#713
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Brazil Lok72
wasnt even on this stage the request "the team asked if the smoke was allowed to be used when G2 attended the PGL Antwerp Major RMR Europe B event in April"
2022-05-16 00:39
#150
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Hungary szia
time for fallen to do his thing and cry and weaponize his fanbase until the tournament organizer gives them their way
2022-05-15 11:21
2 replies
don't worry a lot of pros will move not only fallen , karrigan already talked. this smoke is scandalous !
2022-05-15 11:44
#712
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Brazil Lok72
shut up
2022-05-16 00:38
this is just the most comfortable solution for PGL, not having to deal with any consequences. pathetic imo i hope teams agree to not use it, like it happened with the jump bug
2022-05-15 11:22
I mean, teams can make a gentleman's agreement to not use it anymore. The problem is, the regular player base will be affected more by these kinds of bugs than pro players, since there is no way to stop them. These kinds of smoke bugs have always been in the game and Valve should fix this.
2022-05-15 11:24
6 replies
They can't fix it, I believe. It has something to do with layers in Source.
2022-05-15 11:31
5 replies
Source engine gonna haunt us for our lives
2022-05-15 11:38
4 replies
It do be like that And Source 2 never coming, yeeeey
2022-05-15 12:52
3 replies
People talking about source 2 will be released in August for the anniversary of the game
2022-05-15 13:24
2 replies
I would like to believe... but Valve...
2022-05-15 14:08
1 reply
Maybe in 2032
2022-05-15 14:50
they banned all the coachs who abused of a bug, and a player abusing of a bug is ok and can continue? it doesn't make any sense, of course i don't blame M0nesy, the guy asked before if it was allowed, and pgl said yes, i blame PGL and valve, maybe the worst major of all times
2022-05-15 11:26
7 replies
The difference between the coach-bug and this bug is that m0nesy ASKED PGL if he can use the smoke BEFORE using it. Meanwhile the coaches who got stuck in the bug just never mentioned it to the admins and acted like nothing happened.
2022-05-15 12:44
6 replies
He is not wrong to use it. But he lost his dignity and fame from a lot of people point of views
2022-05-15 23:40
5 replies
He gained dignity in my view. He went and asked an admin, something most people in the scene wouldn't do.
2022-05-16 10:32
4 replies
Lol, gain dignity??? U really think all of this has good impact on him?
2022-05-16 14:50
3 replies
For ME he gained dignity. For others, no.
2022-05-16 15:21
2 replies
How tf he gained dignity lmao? Are you braindead or what? Gained dignity by asking the PGL first if he can use it? Lmao that is not dignity gained
2022-05-16 15:27
1 reply
In my eyes that's fine. Most people would probably just do it without asking.
2022-05-16 15:45
#164
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Sweden TheSatox
Should definitely NOT be allowed. C'mon.
2022-05-15 11:26
I mean this is fair play from PGL I guess? It's on Valve to fix this issue.
2022-05-15 11:26
XD
2022-05-15 11:27
#171
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Ukraine d3adLY
from PGL rule book: 20. Forbidden in-game actions - Using bugs which change the game principle (i.e. spawn bugs) is illegal XD
2022-05-15 11:28
7 replies
And m0nesy asked whether this smoke can be used and PGL said yes. PGL probably doesn't see it as a game principle-breaking bug, but as a one-way smoke.
2022-05-15 12:46
6 replies
#349
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Ukraine d3adLY
probably he paid them
2022-05-15 12:47
5 replies
You should watch out making accusations like that with 0 evidence.
2022-05-15 12:49
4 replies
#358
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Ukraine d3adLY
#171, this bug changes game pribciple but pgl allowed it, how? only cuz money
2022-05-15 12:50
3 replies
You are literally saying m0nesy/G2 are bribing PGL. What you say isn't evidence. It's acting like the only reason PGL would allow this smoke is because of money. MAYBE they allowed it because this smoke has been known about for months. MAYBE they allowed it because they would allow it for all the teams, no matter who asked. MAYBE they just considered this as a one-way smoke like any other one-way smoke (which btw could be seen as changing the game principle either way). In fact, the latter is probably their reasoning. If you don't allow this smoke, then you have to not allow ANY one-way smoke by the rule of not allowing the change of the game principle. If you consider the game principle of negating a smoke, it could be another story, but I doubt this is the only instance of something similar happening. It's simply outrageous to instantly come to the conclusion PGL were bribed.
2022-05-15 13:01
2 replies
#714
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Brazil Lok72
nah, G2 bribed PGL 100%, or are scared of Carlos, whatever
2022-05-16 00:41
1 reply
Okay. If that narrative makes you feel better about Imperial losing to G2, sure. Have fun with it.
2022-05-16 10:40
monesy dont come to brazil monkaS
2022-05-15 11:28
1 reply
#193
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Canada go1x1n00b
next major PGL Rio 🔪
2022-05-15 11:34
#173
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Sweden ViKz
Sweet salty tears <3
2022-05-15 11:29
Using a glitch to exploit the game in a major, I would say this is borderline cheating as it is clearly one-way visibility. Used it against Navi at 15-14 down in the first match also. Disgusting.
2022-05-15 11:29
3 replies
So one-way smokes are cheating? If PGL says it's not cheating, it isn't cheating. Also, all teams should know about this smoke. If they don't, it's their problem, not G2's or PGL's.
2022-05-15 12:48
2 replies
So if you cheat on your girlfriend, but the chick you are cheating with says “it’s not cheating” then it isn’t? PGL doesn’t define cheating, they are hosting a tournament. He’s intentionally using a 1-way smoke glitch to his advantage, it’s not the intended mechanics of the game, it’s cheating. If you found a way to make a weapon in the game aimbot by using a glitch, or a glitch where you could see through the entire map, or better yet a glitch where coaches could spectate live rounds in free roam (see what I did there), it would be the exact same thing. It’s cheating.
2022-05-15 16:31
1 reply
If you cheat on your girlfriend and your girlfriend says it's not cheating, then it's not cheating. Cheating is defined by those who make the rules. In a relationship it's the people in that relationship, in a tournament hosted by PGL, it's PGL. So any one-way smoke is cheating? Not intended in the game, but it's used all the time. m0nesy said he went to PGL to ask whether it was allowed. If they say it is, then it's not cheating. That doesn't mean that it should be allowed, but then hate on PGL rather than on m0nesy.
2022-05-15 16:34
thats what happen when you have stupid euro people managing a sport the same fools who have no judgement of fairness manipulating sport for politic
2022-05-15 11:32
2 replies
#715
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Brazil Lok72
+1
2022-05-16 00:41
We Europeans are all the same, no differences in countries, language, history, culture and cuisine 😎
2022-05-16 08:51
#187
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Other Quagmire_
Now more and more players will start using that shit lmao, they shouldn't have allowed it
2022-05-15 11:32
BR fans always crying about something
2022-05-15 11:33
blame the TO not the player
2022-05-15 11:33
not a big deal,cant be used properly anymore anyway…as soon as somebody will see that smoke pop there they will prefire it
2022-05-15 11:34
WoW, im actually DISGUSTED by this this bug usage, by this kid, by Valve and by all the fucking unbelievable people joking about it, saying "cry" or it's in the game to use or W/E. that is fucking cheating! WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. The fucking kid asks if it can be used, and PGL ALLOW IT? UNBELIEVABLE THAT THEY ALLOW IT AND THAT HE ACTUALLY USED UNFAIR ADVANTAGE TO BEAT GRANDPAS. THIS IS BAD JOKE.
2022-05-15 11:35
10 replies
#225
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Portugal Davdio
"the fucking kid" shows the level of mad you are, they way u talk about 17 years old boy is disgusting. Edit: CRY
2022-05-15 11:44
9 replies
brazilians are very patriots bro
2022-05-15 12:24
As i already wrote, im disgusted by all of this, including people trying to minimize the issue, like you. So, just so you can properly understand, im disgusted by you too.
2022-05-15 12:28
7 replies
#342
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Portugal Davdio
No u never saw me minimize the issue, and even if u saw I challenge u to show to me. This is not monesy fault, is PGL and Valve fault to allow this type of bugs
2022-05-15 12:41
6 replies
There's things called "sportsmanship" and "fairplay". The bug usage, even if allowed, go against these things. That's on G2 and Monesy for sure. How can people not understand such a simple thing? Did u you see the recent agreement on teams declaring no to use it? They know it's unfair advantage and agreed not to use it. But some team and player decided to do it blindly and cheat their way thru the competition. That's PURELY on them.
2022-05-15 12:49
2 replies
Precisely but you are wasting your time explaining this to towards racist ass community.
2022-05-16 00:22
1 reply
#721
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Portugal Davdio
true, because giving hate on a kid is a good action to do in community.. NA scene can be saved but your valors not.
2022-05-16 01:02
#717
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Brazil Lok72
no, or else coach bug wouldnt be bannable, its very clearly biased those decisions, you liking or not
2022-05-16 00:43
2 replies
#719
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Portugal Davdio
but never valve and PGL allowed coach bug.. its completely different thing.. you liking or not
2022-05-16 01:01
1 reply
#723
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Brazil Lok72
PGL must allow shit, scum organization, esic as well valve get your shit togheter
2022-05-16 01:52
second minor the brazilian community will bombard with death threats?
2022-05-15 11:35
5 replies
Changing the subject and shifting focus is easier than assuming you agree with a cheat, isn't it?
2022-05-15 13:11
#718
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Brazil Lok72
Changing the subject and shifting focus is easier than assuming you agree with a cheat, isn't it
2022-05-16 00:43
3 replies
How did i change the subject?
2022-05-16 12:36
2 replies
the subject/topic was if that should have been approved or not.
2022-05-16 13:05
1 reply
i just wanted to rile up fallen fans, but thank you
2022-05-16 13:33
what a shame
2022-05-15 11:36
well here is something for ESIC to look into in about 2 or 3 years time.
2022-05-15 11:36
you can literally stand mid air on the other side of the wall and every team uses that, but throwing a smoke on a door that's on the wall here is too much for you?
2022-05-15 11:38
mOnesy should be ashamed, he knows its an unfair advantage and a bugg and still uses it. What happend to the olofboost? Was that not within the guidelines of the game also if this kind of shit is ok? Same goes for the infamous crouch-bugg when some team won Inferno because they used it to spot over the wagon on A site. mOnesy and G2 has just lost a huge portion of respect from the community. -mOnesy -G2 -PGL
2022-05-15 11:41
1 reply
+1
2022-05-15 13:11
wtf ban entire G2 team and org except m0NESY
2022-05-15 11:41
Ez to counter, free 1 tap from top mid to window everyday
2022-05-15 11:43
Wtf at least ban it for the rest of tournament… PGL what doinkkk
2022-05-15 11:43
Karma will not let G2 win this Major. All good.
2022-05-15 11:44
BRA71L malding XAXAXAXAXAXA
2022-05-15 11:44
He has some tricky line ups
2022-05-15 11:45
its perfectly fine, perfectly fair.
2022-05-15 11:48
#239
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United Kingdom chexsum
GABENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!
2022-05-15 11:50
#242
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Romania daniels22
ez for g2 ,bra71l is bad
2022-05-15 11:53
these bugs are a joke and don't belong in cs. particularly one-way-smoke what a stupid "mechanic"
2022-05-15 11:54
4 replies
#254
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Australia rationale
You can spot one way smokes, this shit is impossible to spot.
2022-05-15 11:56
3 replies
Impossible to spot the other smoke on top of the other smoke and shoot left corner i guess The problem no longer is that this smoke exists, it's that it exists in every map.
2022-05-15 12:00
I have played cs for 20years, and I have always refused those nweb tactics I don't need, so explain please: how is this one different? Isn't it always about knowing the spots for these shitty things?
2022-05-15 12:01
1 reply
It's your choice to not use it. It's part of the game, and other people can use it. It's all about knowing the spots for these tricks. It's annoying work to go through and find these, but those who are willing to put it in, can use it to their advantage.
2022-05-15 13:06
i love the taste of brazillian tears
2022-05-15 11:55
1 reply
#535
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Europe BARAO555
its just racist pls go touch some grass.
2022-05-15 15:37
can't win without cheating I guess
2022-05-15 11:56
Valve don't give a fuck about their game
2022-05-15 11:56
Wtf? Some people here are actually defending PGL decision?
2022-05-15 11:57
#261
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Europe Khanan
Funny that a ancient game with ancient engine still has bugs, people are too creative. Because the game is highly used new bugs are still found, whereas in other games, these things will likely not happen.
2022-05-15 11:58
Not monesy's fault but one ways are the worst thing to happen to counterstrike the cheapest skilled play even cheaper than a smoke defuse.
2022-05-15 11:58
2 replies
That's not a oneway. This is a bug smoke that makes part of another smoke disappear
2022-05-15 12:19
1 reply
That's besides the point.
2022-05-15 12:22
#263
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Latvia laiziolas
you 17 you need school me no me smoke
2022-05-15 11:59
#264
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Sweden t3ngrist
not even close to fnatic boost. nothing to cry for
2022-05-15 11:59
#265
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Brazil LukeW_
the coaches were banned for much less than that, shame on PGL
2022-05-15 11:59
9 replies
The difference between the coach-bug and this bug is that m0nesy ASKED PGL if he can use the smoke BEFORE using it. Meanwhile the coaches who got stuck in the bug just never mentioned it to the admins and acted like nothing happened.
2022-05-15 13:07
8 replies
#392
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Brazil LukeW_
yeah, most coaches didn't even know what the fuck was happened and disconnected after 1-2 rounds and got banned for months and are not even allowed to be at the Major now, while monesy knew what he was doing and it affected the game directly, while most of those banned coaches didn't even mention it to their teams, it's unfair in so many levels
2022-05-15 13:21
7 replies
The reason the coaches got banned is that they just disconnected without reporting it to anyone. The reason m0nesy won't get banned is because he asked the TO whether or not this was okay to use it. The TO said yes and so he used it. It's not on m0nesy to decide whether he is or isn't allowed to use it. ESIC tries to get Integrity into the scene. Not reporting a bug that gives you an advantage is not integrity. Reporting a bug and then using it after you were allowed by the TO is integrity.
2022-05-15 13:25
6 replies
#401
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Brazil LukeW_
looks like two sets of standards to me, they didn't report it cause they probably didn't make any use of that and thought it was just a one off, which is how most people react when they encounter a bug in any game, this is not abusing like what monesy did in 3 different matches and various rounds.
2022-05-15 13:28
5 replies
The reason ESIC punished them (the severity of their punishments is a different discussion btw, I don't think bans were appropriate here) is because the don't know if the coaches did or didn't use it to their advantage. What they know is that the coaches were in the bug and that the bug wasn't reported and the round wasn't replayed. Meanwhile, AGAIN, m0nesy notified the admins of the bug that had been in the game for months and asked if he was allowed to use it. If the admins said "No" and he would've used it, he would've gotten banned. But they said yes, so he was free to use it. PGL has their rules, and as long as you follow these rules you aren't cheating. He asked whether this smoke breaks the rules or not, and he got the clear to use it. I'll repeat that I don't think all the coaches should've gotten banned. These one-round instances should've gotten them a fine or a slap on the wrist instead. However, m0nesy has proven more integrity than these coaches and he definitely shouldn't be punished. Any mistake here is on PGL, not m0nesy or G2.
2022-05-15 13:40
4 replies
#418
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Brazil LukeW_
i'm not saying monesy or G2 are wrong, i'm saying the system is wrong, double standards which hurts the integrity of the tournament
2022-05-15 13:44
3 replies
And I'm saying there aren't any double standards at play here. We clearly agree that G2 or m0nesy aren't at fault. But it seems we don't agree on the coaches. The coaches are at fault for not reporting the bug and thus ESIC punished them.
2022-05-15 13:55
2 replies
dude are you g2's lawyer? get a life ffs u have like 100 replys on this thread defending this shit
2022-05-15 14:51
1 reply
I just enjoy having discussions like this while I'm watching the Major. Got nothing better to do today. But yes, I defend G2 and m0nesy because they didn't do anything wrong.
2022-05-15 14:55
Nothing new PGL allowing bugs in the major
2022-05-15 12:01
#275
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Europe Cr3eP_70
In the good old days, there were orgs that after analysing the use of a bug, they remove themselves from tournaments apologizing to opponents and to crowd for using it. These days, we have glorified brats, white listed by one of the biggest event organizer, ruling that a major flaw is ok to be used against opponents. Not sure who is running that but, if someone tells it's a clown or an 8 year old, I will believe it. It's already bad enough to allow a brainless child using something to take unfair advantage from colleagues but, it's a child with values still in the making (this battle is already lost but gl with it...) . I miss the good old days
2022-05-15 12:03
8 replies
you mean fnatic removing themselves from competition after literally everyone on the scene went on a witch hunt? not much of a decision when you're cornered in to it.
2022-05-15 12:19
7 replies
#360
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Cornered? They weren't told to abandon tournament! Getting a loss from that game was on the table. They decided to go all the way and rightly so! What do you take from this situation when literally the ENTIRE professional community "lolled" at that ruling tweet? I'll go further... What if that bug was used by BNE player or a Brazilian one? Yes, I know... Values is not something you can demand from anyone. You can just hope they have it...
2022-05-15 12:51
6 replies
I doubt brazilian players would've even reported the bug as they have a long history of doing scummy shit.
2022-05-15 12:53
5 replies
#371
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Yeah... I can see where you are coming from. From the land of different weight / same measure. Cheers
2022-05-15 12:59
4 replies
more like land of common sense. you got told by the official body, aka only thing that matters, that it's ok and not a cheat. now, I don't know why PGL would do this and what kind of morons they hire to make that kind of a decision since that smoke is obviously not intended by game design and is actually a bug whose exploit allows you to gain an unfair advantage. They're basically overruling common sense and their own rules with this one. Point the finger at the right direction, PGL.
2022-05-15 13:02
3 replies
#376
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Europe Cr3eP_70
What common sense? Let's go outside the this case and, for a minute, imagine that a government rule that it's ok to kill dogs or cats. Doesn't that mean I or you should do it?? I mean, are they completely deprived from the basic notion of "good and bad", "right and wrong"?? This is common sense! They shouldn't be needing an org to rule on values because, they should be in there for starters!
2022-05-15 13:07
2 replies
I said PGL admins are overruling common sense. That means they're going against common sense.
2022-05-15 13:08
1 reply
#384
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Yes And I said shame on G2 for complete lack of good, sound values!
2022-05-15 13:12
#280
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Sweden Akoulad
16 year old cheater
2022-05-15 12:05
2 replies
the Russians are always cheating. See a sport where they constantly catch someone doping during a competition.
2022-05-15 12:55
1 reply
#385
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Sweden Akoulad
It's in their DNA...
2022-05-15 13:13
Legit smoke because the games allows it to. If you are angry, be angry at valve not the player. Players should do whatever they can, within the boundaries of the game, to take advantage of it. That's what competition means.
2022-05-15 12:05
15 replies
#287
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Australia rationale
It's one thing it exists in the game. People are outraged because someone is actually using it at the fucking major to their advantage.
2022-05-15 12:08
#370
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Europe Cr3eP_70
So... Do you mean that the old overpass boost should be allowed and fnatic should kept themselves on tournament instead of removing themselves? You know what is on the game and on competition? Values... Some people have it and some people don't...
2022-05-15 12:56
13 replies
Considering LDLC did the same to them, they DEFINITELY should've kept playing the tournament. But people forget that because it was less significant. However, if you aspire to these values, the significance doesn't matter. In fact, LDLC should've also forfeited the tournament!
2022-05-15 13:12
12 replies
#386
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Fair point and I can honestly agree with you but, what remain for history was actions instead of words...
2022-05-15 13:15
11 replies
The thing about the Fnatic-LDLC game is also that their was a very explicit rule that said you couldn't use a pixel-boost (which this was) and CRUCIALLY, the teams never asked the TO if it was okay or not to use it. Meanwhile, m0nesy contacted PGL to ask "Is this smoke okay?" PGL answered yes, and he used it. Thus it is not cheating.
2022-05-15 13:17
10 replies
#394
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Can't believe I'm going to use this argument again but believe it's the only way to make my point understandable but, here we go: If you ask your government if it's okay to kill dogs or cats, and they say "yes", would you still do it? Remember: it would not be illegal! Can you know understand "values"? Because, it's been my entire point...
2022-05-15 13:24
9 replies
This is not the same as killing an animal though. I know very well what values means, but I personally am not of the opinion this goes against any values. There are two things that make this okay in my personal opinion (and I don't like winning with dirty tricks). First. This bug has been known for months. If anyone DIDN'T know about it, it's their own fault. Every team can use this to their advantage if they wish to do so, so it's completely fair. Fair in my book means that any advantage obtained by one party can also be obtained by the opposing party. Second. This smoke can be countered. In contrast to something like the Olofboost, you can actually do things about this. It's a big gray blob at the edge of window, so it's very clear when someone uses it. What do you do when you see someone use it? You pre-fire or nade or something. It's just a problem that requires a different solution. This is also why I don't consider it a dirty trick more than I'd consider a normal one-way smoke a dirty trick. Personally I feel if you're against this smoke, then you should also be against any one-way smoke. I personally would prefer my game without one-way smokes, but they are part of it and I'll use it to my advantage. To try and make an analogy like you did that I think is more correct. If the government has special rules where you don't have to pay taxes for whatever reason, are you going to go and say "No, I'll pay extra taxes" or are you just going to go with it and say "It may not be what it's supposed to be, but I can use the extra money so I won't pay the taxes"?
2022-05-15 13:35
8 replies
#441
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Indeed and again, not about killing animals or any other... It's about, even being cleared, if you would do it or not.... "Know for months"?? Where? Who? I didn't...and, judging by the ton of comments in this, by ESport.gg and several others, it's not like you say. To be fair, we all know that window have a bug (aRT reported one on jumping couple of weeks ago?!) and we also know that this 2way sh*t smokes are ruining fairness in the game... At the end of the day, it's all about you and what you PERSONALLY feel that make you happy, right, fair and within the morally irreprehensible, dogs, cats, taxes and bug abuse aside... Cheers
2022-05-15 14:08
7 replies
Known for months is also just what I heard. The PGL admins knew it a month before the major and from what I heard the bug was discovered in december 2021 and has been used a couple of times in official matches. But please answer: if you for some reason had to pay less taxes than you think you should if the system worked correctly, what would you do? If you care for values, what do you think about using a standard one-way smoke then? These also give an advantage, don't they? So is using one of these the same as killing a dog if you were allowed to do so?
2022-05-15 14:12
6 replies
#486
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Europe Cr3eP_70
I don't care for values. I live my entire life by them! Taxes? I pay my taxes and it really hurts. Why? Because, only a few population in Europe know the value of paying taxes and getting social benefits out of it, like medical care, free education, retirement planning and assistance or, in fewer words, a fine way of living. And yes, I wouldn't mind to contribute more if there was a guarantee that people would have a better life. As that doesn't happen with taxes, if I can spare some money (and I usually do) I apply it on helping social projects either with financial contribution or with my own time by volunteering to a couple of things. About smokes, yes, they give an advantage but that advantage is not mainly one-sided. I mean, you can use it but so can I and we both know that for a fact thus, I'm not seeing your point on this...
2022-05-15 14:43
5 replies
You can also use this m0nesy smoke. What advantage do you get with this one that you don't get with a one-way smoke?
2022-05-15 14:48
4 replies
#510
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Europe Cr3eP_70
The fact that, as a T, I cannot or I found very difficult to counter, actually as 99% of the professional community do...
2022-05-15 15:06
3 replies
I'll tell you how to counter it. Oh no! Big gray blob pops up at the corner of window! What could it mean??? Oh! Someone's trying to use the bug! Okay! I'll shoot in that corner where they have to be to use the bug. Maybe I'll nade it as well. Is it OP as fuck? Yes! Does it have 0 counters? No! Sounds similar to a standard one-way smoke to me.
2022-05-15 15:12
2 replies
#531
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Europe Cr3eP_70
Yeah.... It seems whatever answer I give you try to find a way around it. That's ok.... At the end of the day....#441 Take care!
2022-05-15 15:34
1 reply
I even did some extra testing just now. Literally throw your smoke a bit more to the right (from CT-perspective) and you can't use the bug anymore. Done. Found a solution.
2022-05-15 15:53
#292
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France cedd
get this kid some security guards for rio major, brazilians cant understand pgl/valve is completely at fault here if he asked and they gave him permission and yes the smoke is bullshit and should not be allowed IMO
2022-05-15 12:14
11 replies
+1 rofl This is PGL fault & I doubt on their admins they didn't understand what is that and so, they are dumb to allow it at time of RMR.
2022-05-15 12:19
The fact that he asked if he could abuse a bug goes to show his moral standards.
2022-05-15 14:19
9 replies
#455
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France cedd
yes, it shows that he has good moral standards, knew it was probably wrong so he got official permission, and he got it from clueless admins. they're playing for more money than youll ever make in your life
2022-05-15 14:22
8 replies
He knew that it was probably wrong cus he as a pro player knows that it is basically cheating, also you implying that he would do anything for the prize money just proves my point.
2022-05-15 14:25
7 replies
#473
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France cedd
he did the correct and right thing by asking admins. admins give him thumbs up. blame the admins dumbass
2022-05-15 14:34
6 replies
Thats like saying that if i ask a teacher if i can cheat in a test and he gives me the green light, it means its ok to cheat in the test, what kind of flawed logic is that? Also PGL admins probably don't even play csgo.
2022-05-15 14:42
5 replies
#492
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France cedd
its how real life works, better get used to it kid
2022-05-15 14:52
4 replies
If you have to cut corners and cheat in real life i feel sorry for u m8.
2022-05-15 14:55
3 replies
It's not fucking cheating if your girlfriend gives you permission "to cheat". Monesy asked if he was allowed by the ones who make up the rules and he's wrong for that I guess
2022-05-16 09:47
2 replies
Nice logic, so if M0nesy asked if he could use a trigger bot + a fly hack + wallhack, and the clueless admin that gets underpaid to stand behind the players and probably never even played a single match of csgo in his entire life said yes. That wouldnt be cheating.
2022-05-16 15:47
1 reply
If PGL, who are given a playbook from valve, deem wallhack, fly hack, triggerbots etc legal It wouldn't be cheating. It's literally a part of the game then.
2022-05-16 16:11
Disgusting and disgraceful! Just one simple question: if imperial players had used something like this ( u had 0 knowledge) on you ,how would you feel? It’s worse than cheating … coz cheating is illegal and players will be banned if being found out ,but this ? You know it’s not the right thing to do, but you did it any way ,AND you won’t be punished. Lol
2022-05-15 12:15
19 replies
The smoke was known about for months. If you don't know about it as a professional player of this game with a whole team of support staff behind you, it's your own (teams) fault. It's also not cheating since m0nesy asked PGL if they could use it and PGL said yes. I would feel like Imperial used a clever trick to beat me this time, but it won't happen next time because I'll pre-fire that spot or nade it or something. It's a new problem to find a solution to.
2022-05-15 13:20
18 replies
Know for months yet the first time it was used in the major, i wonder why? maybe cus other pro players and teams know that its a glitch/bug and decided to be fair and not abuse it?
2022-05-15 14:52
17 replies
Because it's been more months since the last Major than the discovery of the bug. The bug was discovered in December.
2022-05-15 14:56
16 replies
Wait, first you say that everybody knew about it and that its Imperial fault for not trying to counter it, but now you're saying that ppl forgot about it? You need to choose, either pro players know about it and decided to not abuse it cus they know its basically like cheating or people didnt know about it.
2022-05-15 14:59
15 replies
One: I never said everyone knew about it. I said it was known to be in the game. Two: I also never said anyone forgot about it? You asked why it hasn't been used in a Major before, and I said it's been known since December 2021. This is just the first Major since it's happened. Tough luck on the Brazilians and Na'Vi that they were the first to be victim in a big tournament, but that's part of being a competitor.
2022-05-15 15:02
14 replies
M8 do you even read the stuff you write? read what you wrote in the first paragraph #391 Also you saying that if PGL alllowed it isnt cheating, its like if i asked a teacher if i could cheat in a test and he gave me the green light, it wouldn't be cheating.
2022-05-15 15:06
13 replies
What is the difference in what I said? "The smoke was known about for months" vs "The smoke was known to be in the game since December 2021" is pretty much the same thing right? In the context of a tournament organized by PGL, as long as you follow their rules and they say it's okay to do something, it's not cheating. Everyone plays under the same rules. Technically, if the teacher would allow this and the whole class could do the same, not it's not cheating. It's bad teaching, but not cheating.
2022-05-15 15:09
12 replies
LoL youre dense, first you imply that every pro team know about it and if they don't its their fault. then after that you contradict yourself and say that you never said that every team knows about it. "Technically, if the teacher would allow this and the whole class could do the same, not it's not cheating. It's bad teaching, but not cheating." The problem here is cus that teacher had a favorite student called G2. As i said G2 was the only team to use it, also never saw that being used in a comp match b4. If you know that cheating is wrong its your fault too, doesnt matter if someone "allowed" you to cheat, at the end of the day you're responsible for your actions.
2022-05-15 15:17
11 replies
I never said every team knew about it. I said every team had the chance to know about it, and if they didn't, that's their fault. Just like every team has a chance of knowing about some crazy strat, if they didn't, that''s on them. You can't blame the team that does know about it. You are also assuming that PGL would've said no to any other team, which you have no basis on doing so. G2 are the only team to use it because so far, only they learned about it. But they shouldn't be punished for that. Just like they know about it, any other team could've know about it.
2022-05-15 15:18
10 replies
Imo other teams knew about it too, but they also knew that Glitches/Bugs are against the rules, (its in the major rulebook btw) But G2 was the only team scummy enough to go ask an admin if they could do something that is clearly a bug and that falls under the glitch/bug rule. Also dont even come with that "if the admins allowed its ok" If your prime minister/president said that today its ok to loot and kill other ppl would you go out looting and killing? There's something called morals m8, when you have it you wont do something that you know its wrong, even if its allowed to do it.
2022-05-15 15:22
9 replies
You are making assumptions that the other teams knew. Also, they would've known it was used in the RMR. Where was all the backlash back then? Where was the backlash after m0nesy used it against Na'Vi? Right. There wasn't any. This isn't scummy. They just asked a question and PGL allowed it. If you are going to blame anyone, blame PGL and Valve. If you go by that standard, then don't use any one-way smoke either. They give an advantage that you aren't supposed to have but just happens to be in the game.
2022-05-15 15:27
8 replies
It isnt a one way smoke, its clearly a glitched smoke. Where's the clip of him using against Navi? Plus, imo its the same situation as the BIG bug back in the day, PGL knows its a bug and that its against the rules but they have no other choice other than allow it, cus it was already used in a bunch of matches. Imagine the shitstorm it would create, same thing that happened to BIG, BIG abused the jumping bug in the qualifier, but it was only brought to attention when big had already qualified, when Moses called them out for abusing it, but imagine the shit storm it would create if BIG was dqued and they had to redo all the matches big won by abusing it? So the event organizers and the teams made a gentleman agreement to not use the bug anymore, correct me if i am wrong but i thin it was PGL too, and they did that to save face cus if they decided to punish big it would be a shitstorm.
2022-05-15 15:33
7 replies
The clip from Na'Vi was somewhere in the responses on the original twitter thread. Can't link it though, but it's the last round of regulation at 15-14. And yes. Same as BIG, but they also don't deserve to be shit on. I wasn't following actively back then though, so I don't know the entire context.
2022-05-15 15:52
6 replies
Bro there's no defending Monesy and G2 here. The rulebook states that glitches/bugs of any kind arent allowed, Monesy and G2 knowing of this rule had the audacity to ask a random Admin if they could use it, also i highly doubt that they showed the bug as it is, they probably only threw the smoke by itself, and asked if that smoke could be done, but they didnt explain that the smoke clips through the TR smoke and cancels it. this tweet sums everything twitter.com/Michaell322/status/152577400..
2022-05-15 15:58
5 replies
The problem is that you are making a bunch of assumptions simply to incriminate m0nesy. Assumptions aren't truth.
2022-05-15 16:14
4 replies
Assumptions? have you ever read the major rulebook m8? im not even a pro player and i know about this rule. 6.10.5 Use of Bugs and Glitches The intentional use of any bugs, glitches, or errors in the game is forbidden. If you were a pro player and read the rulebook, would you ask an admin if you could use a bug?
2022-05-15 16:15
3 replies
But you assume that they went to an admin and asked "Can we use this bug?" What if they asked "Does this count as a bug?" Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the admin's decision 100% (even though I think a standard one-way smoke is also a bug), but that's on PGL, not on the players. I don't know what exactly happened, but neither do you.
2022-05-15 16:30
2 replies
Stop sugar coating, everybody with 2 braincells that played CSGO for at least 5 hours know that its clearly a bug. And its not a standard one way smoke, a one way smoke you throw it yourself and it doesnt cancel other smoke, meanwhile this one cancels the TR smoke, its clearly a glitch.
2022-05-15 16:32
1 reply
What do you define as a bug?
2022-05-15 16:34
Joke of a decision, G2 not at fault. They found the bug, reported it, got green light to do whatever they want with it. Disgraceful admining.
2022-05-15 12:17
7 replies
PGL is Dumb TO who allowed this bug and green light to use it. What a joke!
2022-05-15 12:21
5 replies
yes, PGL admins are trash tier, but you really can't blame G2 or m0nesy. They did the right thing, went with the bug to admins and somehow someone thought it's fine to exploit bugs in a major. :)))))) what's more concerning, now every moron in matchmaking will use the same shit.
2022-05-15 12:23
4 replies
I am not blaming G2 or Monesy. It is all fault of PGL & Valve. They had to care about it. How can they allow it after they found it in RMR. This is only PGL's fault.
2022-05-15 12:27
3 replies
I wouldn't even go as far as blaming Valve. This is purely down to PGL.
2022-05-15 12:28
2 replies
There's things called "sportsmanship" and "fairplay". The bug usage, even if allowed, go against these things. That's on G2 and Monesy for sure. How can people not understand such a simple thing. Good lord.
2022-05-15 12:36
1 reply
Ofcourse, but from the position of G2 they didn't do nothing wrong. They did the right thing, they reported the bug to admins, and admins made an insane decision. Unfortunately they somehow made exploiting bugs to gain unfair advantage a completely legal thing to do. G2 were literally told by PGL admins it's fair game to use the smoke.
2022-05-15 12:43
#336
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Portugal MCDOUG
They had green light yes but deciding to use this bug is low
2022-05-15 12:37
I understand why Brazilians are upset but at least direct your rage towards PGL who allow it, not the 17yr old kid who checked beforehand if it was okay and was told yes.
2022-05-15 12:19
Fix your f#cking game valve. Always sleeping behind the wheel 1 mile behind the curve while the grand-prix is almost over.
2022-05-15 12:20
2 replies
This has nothing to do with Valve. They can't fix a bug they don't know exists. PGL had the opportunity to shut it down before it even happened, they decided to take the other route for god knows what reason and now we have this mess.
2022-05-15 12:30
1 reply
+11111111 actual smart comment someone that can REASON
2022-05-15 12:36
Russians cheating just to win anything, nothing new here
2022-05-15 12:20
#310
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Serbia DjapeZ
Br crying again ?
2022-05-15 12:21
ESIC ban 3 days before next major incoming.
2022-05-15 12:23
11 replies
Why would ESIC ban them? They reported the smoke and were allowed to use it. The reporting part is what Integrity means.
2022-05-15 13:22
10 replies
Just kidding dude. ESIC banned coaches who reported their bugs tho...
2022-05-15 13:55
9 replies
You never know who's kidding on this site man. Did they though? Can you point me to one of these, because this is the first time I've heard of it.
2022-05-15 13:57
8 replies
RobbaN? hltv.org/news/30356/robban-on-esic-rulin.. Loordb as well, as far as I remember.
2022-05-15 14:02
7 replies
Problem is that he should've reported it immediately probably, so that the round could be restarted. Choosing to not talk isn't good enough or the correct thing to do here. You should just get up and approach an admin, just like you would if your screen wasn't working or something. That being said, I do agree that RobbaN's ban was the worst of all. He should've just gotten a slap on the wrist and said "This is how you do it next time." Similar to some other coaches that only had it for one round.
2022-05-15 14:08
6 replies
Problem is that's kinda same as a bug when you spawn higher than others in usual game. You know it's a game full of bugs and you think it's gonna be okay next round.
2022-05-15 14:23
5 replies
I see it more akin to standard one-way smokes. The bug where you spawn higher is actually an advantage that you aren't able to tell it's happening, but from what I've seen so far, every instance of this bug happening is clear to the opposing team as well. Now if you see a weird smoke, you just know that you'll need to spam it or something. It's something teams will have to learn to play with, just like one-way smokes.
2022-05-15 14:33
4 replies
I was still talking about RobbaN's situation haha This smoke is not equal to oneway because it actually causes a glitch in game. So this is a bug abuse and it actually should be sanctioned. But PGL guys just let someone exploit a bug which is just ridiculous. Also the thing about this smoke is when you actually know that you smoked window you wouldn't expect any kinds of one-ways there.
2022-05-15 14:39
3 replies
I'm a bit to active on this thread, so forgot this was about RobbaN :p I think he should've just gotten a slap on the wrist and say "This is how you should do it in the future." But ESIC made a decision to be harsh, which is a bit scorched-earth, but it has its merit. Pretty sure a one-way is also just a glitch. People have just accepted it as is because they've gotten used to it. It isn't supposed to be in the game either. In the same way teams can learn how to approach these new type of one-way smokes. They just shouldn't bitch about it and work on countering them. In practice, these are very similar to the way you handle one-way smokes.
2022-05-15 14:43
2 replies
nonono. One-way smoke happens because of in-game physics. Glitch smoke happens when you exploit a bug so there's a big difference.
2022-05-15 15:06
1 reply
A bug that's part of the in-game physics. For some reason I doubt that Valve wanted one-way smokes to be a thing. In practice these are the same thing though...
2022-05-15 15:11
Not very controversial imo
2022-05-15 12:24
So G2 one of the main contenders for the major had to use a bug to win against semi retired pros?
2022-05-15 12:24
1 reply
#533
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Europe BARAO555
they dont care. if you cant win fairly just use bugs and exploits like always
2022-05-15 15:35
This is a difference between PGL and BLAST. Last year on blast HEROIC used and bugged molotov on vertigo against gambit. The referees just didnt restarted the round because GAMBIT won it. youtube.com/watch?v=K3lxW5fYwC0
2022-05-15 12:24
This this almost the same situation as the jump-bug in Krakow 2017. If PGL doesn't ban this, which they absolutely should have, then the players should come together and agree not to use it anymore...
2022-05-15 12:27
valorant>csgo
2022-05-15 12:29
2 replies
Be careful, highly sensitive kids down here. easily offended. Anyway ban this guy.
2022-05-15 12:32
1 reply
valorant>nothing>garbage csgo KEKW
2022-05-15 12:49
Absurd and meaningless.. delete G2 and its properties from the game itself
2022-05-15 12:33
Kids cheating on a competitive game, nothing new
2022-05-15 12:34
4 replies
Not cheating. He asked the admins if it was allowed and they said yes
2022-05-15 14:16
3 replies
#482
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Sweden dogtown
cmon bro, it's unethical as fuck, 99.99% of pros would literally never use it because it's against the integrity of the game. The fact that they even used it in the first place is cheating, they exploited something that know no one else knew about, it completely destroys the opposite team and gives you an olof boost advantage. Don't give this "ThE AdMinS SaId yEs" trash lol.
2022-05-15 14:40
2 replies
#532
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Europe BARAO555
totaly agree if something is possible doesn"t mean its good by any means. its cheating.
2022-05-15 15:34
I've seen this on forums a while ago and they did it at the rmr so how has no one picked up on it in demo review. Just because it's frowned upon doesn't mean it's cheating. Pros exploit plenty of other things in the game, this one only got so much hype because of salty Brazilian fans
2022-05-16 02:00
g2 > bug2
2022-05-15 12:34
He is a good awper and a nice kid. Stop flaming him and blame valve. Even with 16yo he asked the admins if it was allowed. Correct posture. It was a nice game to watch and Imperial surprised me with good csgo. m0nesy saved g2 and it wasn't only because of the bug... br fans should be proud of imperial and happy to watch an incredible match.
2022-05-15 12:40
2 replies
see, what you did there is try to appeal to a reasonable person. people yelling "CHEATERRRR" "BAN HIM" "VAC" etc are not reasonable to begin with. there's so many things that are in a grey area that are allowed, easy example would be using skyboxes for utility - and way it was decided was because someone used it first and then people got together and agreed on using it or not. If we ban doing that - we will ban people from trying to push this game further. This smoke "bug" has legit part to it cause to my understanding you do need a VERY specific smoke to counter a smoke. So it requires knowledge, it opens up the game to searching smokes that do it. ofc there's the other part that smokes are a huge part of executes and allowing use of that feature technically nerfs smokes as it's obviously much better than pushing them. I am probably in the camp that as is - it should not be allowed. But it may open up an interesting conversation, like, what IF grenades dissipate a smoke for 2 seconds or so before it's brought back for the rest of the duration? Cause some other utility has a way to counter it, you can put out a flame, you can turn away from the flash so opening up a way to maybe counter smokes in some way may be interesting. Doubt Volvo would do it tho, too busy making lootboxes
2022-05-15 20:10
1 reply
yes! but my comments are meant for people with brain like you. nobrains are just tl/dr, so I just relax hahaha I totally agree with you, my friend! And I go even further: if valve/tournaments don't fix/punish the 'bug', players should use it! Specially the ones that require skill/preparation. Valve won't like people enjoying watch pros abusing bugs during the time of the year that the game receives most viewers. You can't have your main game be known as the game that people abuse bugs in its highest level. So the players should use it as a kind of revenge. But nvm, gentlemen's agreement is also cool.
2022-05-15 20:30
#352
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Estonia Kizma
would do the same if I was him tbh
2022-05-15 12:48
#359
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Brazil r1zco
bugesy
2022-05-15 12:51
Bit rough comparing a smoke bug which can be countered by just spamming/nading the smoke to olofboost which was literally impossible to counter Pretty close to the jump bug which you could counter with util all the same though
2022-05-15 13:08
6 replies
olofboost is not impossible to counter, u can peak it from so many spots , and hes forced to stay unscoped, so if u preaim it and peak 1 round from tracks, one round from party and 1 round from connector or even double peek he gonna die
2022-05-15 13:27
2 replies
I thought the original olofboost was literally a wall that worked as a one way bullet?
2022-05-16 09:52
1 reply
no, if anything its 1way for opponents since he is so mutch closer to the angle, wouldnt suprise me if there is somewhere people can see olofboost, but he cant see them.
2022-05-16 13:30
#501
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Brazil PqSxd
why would you spam window if you know that there is no gap bcz yourself smoked? they didn't knew that someone made their smoke not working bcz of a bug.
2022-05-15 14:57
2 replies
You seem to miss the point of it being counter-able if any other team had tried it after that game when it became public knowledge and even if m0nesy himself tried it a second time
2022-05-16 12:01
1 reply
#771
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Brazil PqSxd
It's a bug.
2022-05-16 13:48
Cheater
2022-05-15 13:18
#397
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Hong Kong sti11fac
VALVE SHOULD VAC BAN M0NESY
2022-05-15 13:26
A Bug is a Bug. The kid should have been penalized.
2022-05-15 13:27
Cheater.
2022-05-15 13:34
#410
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Brazil kratoshue
VALVE IS THE WORST and it's the most disgusting company
2022-05-15 13:35
What's so bad about it?
2022-05-15 13:39
5 replies
It's a very scummy smoke.
2022-05-15 13:58
You get to cancel a smoke in one of the most important parts of the map, players think they're safe from window at mid cus its smoked but little do they know that there's someone abusing a bug.
2022-05-15 14:21
3 replies
All 1-way smokes work like that, and m0nesy's smoke is obvious since you see by its height what's what. It's like that smoke in apps (B) that once you see - you shoot to the top left of it.
2022-05-15 14:36
2 replies
#497
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Brazil PqSxd
you must be so dumb, oneway smokes don't CANCEL OTHER SMOKES. do you even play csgo?
2022-05-15 14:55
1 way smokes are obvious and get spammed, meanwhile this one literally cancels the T smoke, Ts feeel safe cus they smoked window but theres someone clipping the texture of their smoke and seeing through it, how is that same thing as a one way smoke?
2022-05-15 19:08
This game should been dead for a long time Unbelievable that we still take it seriously
2022-05-15 13:52
1 reply
+1
2022-05-15 13:55
That smoke bug is so one sided and the admin gave it the green light? That's such an unreasonable decision to make at a tournament. Everything about CS:GO had its carpet ripped by one admin who was like "yeah fuck it I'll let the 16 year old use the exploit to gain an unfair advantage." LOL
2022-05-15 13:56
everything is allowed against Brazilians. Since banning coaches 2 days before major begins to d33p web smokes, etc...
2022-05-15 14:00
1 reply
9z coach tried to claim he didn't even move during it yet the vod clearly shows him flying around the map. Justified ban and I'd rather they release it before the major. Spirit got to playoffs with their coach banned, what's Brazils excuse
2022-05-16 02:03
so this kid basically will cheat by any means if allowed, better do a really good check at his whole gaming setup before its too late... kinda expected behavior from a putin minion, smokenesy trash
2022-05-15 14:09
Nice bug abusing, it brings back the BIG vibes.
2022-05-15 14:15
#453
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Brazil KyleGPM
SHAME... valve should punish PGL and Monesy. THIS IS NOT MM, IT'S A FUCKING MAJOR!
2022-05-15 14:19
8 replies
#491
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Germany ctmone
stop crying, imperial 0-3
2022-05-15 14:52
7 replies
#554
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Brazil KyleGPM
stop crying you... Furia defeated Big Lol Vitality? Lol
2022-05-15 16:22
6 replies
#570
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Germany ctmone
7-1 remember, America sucks an any esports,, PGL will host 1 major every year like Dota2 International
2022-05-15 16:51
5 replies
#578
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Brazil KyleGPM
RONALDO 2 X 0 GERMANY brazil 5x world champion Brazil 2 majors and germany? hahaha suck me
2022-05-15 16:55
4 replies
#579
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Germany ctmone
Brazil 0 major hosted Germany 4 major hosted
2022-05-15 16:57
3 replies
#581
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Brazil KyleGPM
CONGRATULATIONS CLAP CLAP CLAP... Great victory... but brazil never lost a war.. germany is the best country in this activity, congratulations
2022-05-15 17:14
2 replies
#584
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Germany ctmone
i dont give a shit about the war, Brazil has the highest crime rate in the world
2022-05-15 17:28
1 reply
research before talking shit lol how did you guys get to this point? childish pricks
2022-05-16 00:13
I don't think PGL can win here. If they allow the bug now people will be mad, but the games will be fair. If they disallow the bug now, imperial and every brazilian fan will demand a rematch, and PGL would've gone back on their word since they told monesy it was ok to use, which isn't a good look either. Best thing would've been to not allow the bug in the first place when monesy tho.
2022-05-15 14:30
#495
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Brazil PqSxd
If monesy only show the admin the smoke lineup and didn't said the context of the BUG this is extremely wrong.
2022-05-15 14:54
#503
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Finland AliSabid
Oh boy, funny seeing the reactions of (mostly br) people lol
2022-05-15 14:58
It is funny to see how most part of the users here are defending an unfair play where a bug is used just because it was against a brazilian team. It's clear seeing the game that once Imperial stopped going mid, they controlled the T side. What would it be if they had played a game without a bug abuser?
2022-05-15 15:17
11 replies
#555
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Brazil Anarchybr
+1
2022-05-15 16:24
Just because it was against a brazilian team? Holy fuck, you are so delusional. Brazil is not the centre of the world. Nobody gives a fuck about Imperial, trust me.
2022-05-15 17:41
9 replies
You can deny it as much as you want, but you know that all these users saying the bug is "ok", "fair", wouldn't be so complacent if it were against a EU or NA team (I would be here anyway saying it is unfair, and no one should exploit a bug to take advantage on the game). Now, judging by what you replied, you are a poor soul that clearly give a fuck about Imperial, otherwise u wouldn't be here replying my post.
2022-05-15 17:57
8 replies
I don't care about Imperial, but Imperial fans are the reason we are here. I'm NaVi fan, I saw him use it against NaVi. Did you see a NaVi fan cry about it? No, but Imperial fans are very loud and crying. Now it is ruled m0nesy is in the right, Brazilians are angry and think that it is because they are Brazilian. Please, shut the fk up man..
2022-05-15 17:59
4 replies
"but Imperial fans are the reason we are here" lol youre clueless arent you? Theres a thread on top of reddit with like 20 pro players complaining about it, also hundreds of non brazilians there calling it straight up cheating. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/uq.. check first reply
2022-05-15 19:02
3 replies
Yeah, all on 15th May only after the Imperial game because imperial fans cried about it. Nobody said anything about it in Anonymo or NaVi game.. If anything, it is biased towards Brazil because everyone notices Brazil, nobody else..
2022-05-15 19:13
2 replies
No, that was after Don Haci brought it up, is Donhaci Brazilian too? because b4 that nobody realized that M0nesy was abusing a bug, only when people recorded his PoV that it became clear. I mean i was watching Gaules live when it happened and everybody just thought that Imperial missed the window smoke and there was a gap.
2022-05-15 19:14
Even imperial players didnt realize what happened, they also probably thought that they missed the smoke, heres fer sayin that he only saw what m0nesy did today twitter.com/fer/status/15258033645457080..
2022-05-15 19:23
You didn't even read the article, it says they used it vs NaVi, and he also used it vs Anonymo, they are both EU teams. Why are you lying, when it has already been used on EU teams? You are blinded by hate or passion, please wake up.
2022-05-15 18:05
1 reply
Am I the one here blinding by hate or passion? If you read my post well, I said the use of bug shouldn't be defended by anyone, and there are lot of users here agreeing with what happened just because Imperial fans are complaining about it. The use of bug is not cool for the game. It was wrong against Anonymous and NaVi. Maybe no one shed light over the subject before but now everyone is aware and some measure should be taken. I'm not here saying Monesy is guilty. If someone should be blamed, it would be PGL who allowed the bug to be exploit in a MAJOR!
2022-05-15 18:16
They used it against navi and navi fans aren't crying
2022-05-16 02:06
bug abuser? Not surprised, if were any brazilian team, the treatment would be different. I have no doubt bout it!
2022-05-15 15:17
HEY PGL, YOU'RE PATHETIC!!
2022-05-15 15:18
#523
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Brazil Mandarjn
how the fvck they allowed this?
2022-05-15 15:23
#525
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Europe BARAO555
i mean XDDDD in my opinion its the game fault. if CSGO didnt have supid bugs after 10 years that situation would never happend ANd still PGL WTF you cant alow game breaking bugs and saying "its the part of the game" fair play=0 you are pathetic pgl i hope this is your last major
2022-05-15 15:32
#528
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Brazil sprk1
pathetic
2022-05-15 15:33
At least the teams have the decense to come with a agremment. It's a shame that the organization let a bug being exployted.
2022-05-15 15:33
this is a joke PGL worst TO ever
2022-05-15 15:34
#534
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Canada firtlast
hmmm, today I think I will give m0nesy some constructive criticisms on not using a smoke bug in twitter
2022-05-15 15:36
If It was a Brazilian Guy...
2022-05-15 15:45
3 replies
would be banned forever from Valve Tournaments
2022-05-15 15:48
2 replies
#574
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Germany ctmone
dream more, PGL will host 1 major every year like Dota2 International
2022-05-15 16:50
1 reply
lol dude, i said the brazilian would be banned
2022-05-15 23:09
Rematch!
2022-05-15 15:47
just PGL things
2022-05-15 15:48
of course it's brazilians
2022-05-15 15:55
shouldnt be punishes but should make illegal
2022-05-15 16:00
Just imagine if a brazilian use this bug, 53848 years of ban
2022-05-15 16:04
PGL never host a major again. There is no reason this should be allowed. After all the bug abuses in the past as a player you shouldn't exploit them against your opponents out of respect. It should basically be an unwritten rule/gentlemens agreement to not abuse bugs like this.
2022-05-15 16:19
#556
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Brazil Anarchybr
What a fucking disgrace this website is. I dont fucking care about what PGL told bugsy about this smoke usage or not, HE KNOWS it’s wrong and against the game integrity because there’s no fucking way the other team imagined their smoke was CANCELLED and he still used it. What a piece of shit. PGL and bugsy lost all my respect and the only reason people are defending him here it’s because the play was against a BR team. Imagine if it was the other way around.
2022-05-15 16:27
1 reply
grow up kid
2022-05-15 16:36
#563
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Japan kitzune
lost all respect I had for g2
2022-05-15 16:34
Not surprising considering they allowed the jump bug at the Krakow 2017 major
2022-05-15 16:43
A lot of cheater asslickers here, its disgusting
2022-05-15 16:47
5 replies
#573
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Germany ctmone
a lot BR crying for nothing, imperial will GO HOME without the BUGS
2022-05-15 16:50
4 replies
Dont change the fact that a cheat was allowed at a major and a lot of idiots are changing the subject "BrS JuSt CrY" Stop eco chamber and give a real opnion
2022-05-15 16:54
3 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=OA4CEA5O1KE FalleN abusing bug that was banned by tournament admins. Nobody talked about it. The reason ppl are saying brs just cry is because ppl only noticed when brazilians are angry about it. But it is allowed. So stfu.
2022-05-15 17:44
2 replies
Why is he not banned then? Come on man
2022-05-15 17:48
1 reply
Because nobody gave a fuck, but it is true. He cheated in that tournament. However, now we have this, and Brazil is crying hard about it because they lost. THATS WHY PPL ARE TALKING SHIT ON BRAZIL. Because Brazilians have victim mentality that everything is wrong against them. m0nesy used it vs NaVi too in the SAME tournament before. Read the article. You see NaVi or their fans crying? No.. It's only your fans that are angry and crying.
2022-05-15 17:51
Go to Valorant
2022-05-15 16:49
i have mixed feelings about this thing. on the one hand if the bug was supposedly known, it's kinda on the teams to know how to counter it and imperial are just unlucky that they are relatively a new team so might not be up to date with every little nuance of every map. on the other hand, the gentleman agreement thing is unfair. kinda the same thing as with the jump bug. mainly, it's unfair to imperial because that game was extremely close and you could make a case for them losing because of this smoke trick. now everyone agreed they won't use it anymore but imperials had already lost because of it, so they are effectively discriminated against. the way i see it, if the teams agree with PGL's decision and think the smoke trick is fair, why make a gentleman agreement not to use it? it's fair after all, everyone should use it. since they made an agreement not to use it, it implies they disagree with PGL's decision, meaning the trick is unfair / is a bug / breaks integrity. if that's the case how can you be okay with imperials losing because of it? basically the teams are saying: "yeah imperial got screwed over, but this shit should definitely not be used so let's agree nobody's gonna do it anymore". it kinda makes sense but i don't like the idea of throwing imperial under the bus. imo they should continue using this trick for the rest of the tournament - that would be the fairest decision considering PGL's stance. you think it's fair? own it. one final point. ppl keep comparing this to a one way but it's not a one way. it's a smoke CANCEL trick. unlike any other smoke or one way in existence this trick allows you to CANCEL another smoke. in addition, it creates a powerful one way. key difference is that a good window smoke will cancel any one ways so you can rely on window being blocked when you want it and build your strats and timings around it. with this smoke trick they could cancel your window smoke any time they choose. if they do it off the bat, you can't even cross mid safely. this one smoke would force you to completely change the way you want to approach taking mid. i can't think of an easy counter on the spot either, that is a counter that doesn't leave you in disadvantage either utility wise or info wise.
2022-05-15 17:09
1 reply
I agree with you! Thats a joke. In your POV Imperial should be allowed to use the bug to balance the things, but it will derails soon, some using more, some less, there will be more smokes like that... And that shit make me sad. We all love CS, I want to see fair bullets, strategies, rotation, great bangs, great sprays, great taps, great clutches. What a shit way to win a round...
2022-05-15 18:54
Yes..LEAF was destroyed and He dissapered.. .. Monesy is the next.. He will never play well again..never...It will be the phantom that will persuit him all the time.. He did the mistake.. then.. he will get the consequences..
2022-05-15 17:19
2 replies
"disappeared".. he is top2 team in valorant for north america now lol
2022-05-15 17:57
1 reply
#664
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Brazil clonado
Valorant is just irrelevant.
2022-05-15 20:41
#583
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Brazil calmaria1
PGL such a shit org, it should be a rematch
2022-05-15 17:25
Rematch
2022-05-15 17:34
if PGL APPROVED the use of it... nothing should happen. but for the game integrity this kinda of bugs should not ever be allowed or used. shame on PGL and shame on the G2 player for use bugs to get advantage over the other team.
2022-05-15 17:40
Cry for the smoke
2022-05-15 17:45
#614
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Russia AR4ER
Smoke wins, Fatality !!!
2022-05-15 18:32
PGL is shit, ESIC is shit, Valve is shit. Imagine allow a bug during a BO1 fase in the major, where every round count too much. kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk Any and every decision by these guys is inappropriate and unreasonable. A lot of coachs that demonstrably didnt use the coach bug was punished, some can't even participate in broadcasts. BIG FUCKING JOKE.
2022-05-15 18:44
5 replies
#623
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Denmark Siicko
U mad
2022-05-15 18:59
3 replies
You should be mad too, If you like this game.
2022-05-15 19:05
2 replies
#743
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Denmark Siicko
i should, and i liike cs, but the kid is a genius to think about the line up and he even went out and asked.
2022-05-16 08:36
1 reply
He is a genius because he looks for bugs inside the game? What a bad definition of genius... He can be a genius because his aim, game sense and stuff... but that smoke is more shame than anything else.
2022-05-16 20:34
#657
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Argentina Aleeee
what can you expect form an organization that banned coaches 3 days before the major started Valve has always been shit
2022-05-15 20:11
ofc they allow it, its an EU player doing imagine if someone from SA did the same thing kkkkkkkkk
2022-05-15 18:56
7 replies
#622
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Denmark Siicko
Thats why Eu have higher iq
2022-05-15 18:59
4 replies
ok Sweden
2022-05-15 19:10
1 reply
#761
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Denmark Siicko
Lmao, -10 iq
2022-05-16 12:23
Smart comment!
2022-05-15 19:11
1 reply
#762
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Denmark Siicko
:D
2022-05-16 12:24
cry is free silly brazilian kkkkkkk)))))))))))
2022-05-15 20:23
1 reply
let those who are actually on the competition debate about it
2022-05-16 00:09
#621
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Denmark Siicko
Cry about it
2022-05-15 18:58
#626
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Brazil hugoooo
WHY on earth would they approve A BUG???
2022-05-15 19:02
1 reply
#640
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