Major teams reach agreement not to use smoke cancel bug

15/5/2022 - 12:31

All 16 teams competing in the PGL Major Antwerp Legends Stage have joined the gentlemen's agreement.

Early on Sunday morning in-game video footage of Ilya "⁠m0NESY⁠" Osipov in G2's matches against Imperial and Natus Vincere surfaced, in which the Russian AWPer used a special smoke that negated a part of the opposing team's smoke in Window on Mirage and allowed him to see through it from his side, but not from the other side.

The situation immediately sparked outrage among pro players, with many representatives from teams competing at the Major calling for this type of use of smokes — which is widely seen as an unintended mechanic and a bug — to be banned.

PGL had been approached by G2 during the RMR tournaments and allowed the smoke, and the organizers went on to put out a statement saying it is allowed during the Major, which resulted in teams coming together in Antwerp to discuss a gentlemen's agreement not to exploit the mechanic for the rest of the tournament.

HLTV.org, Dust2.us, and Dust2.com.br have reached out to all the Major teams and learned that all 16 of them have now come into the fold and agreed not to exploit the bug.

The Counter-Strike Professional Players' Association (CSPPA), who had Martin "⁠STYKO⁠" Styk take it upon himself as one of the board members to gather votes, has confirmed that "all teams at the Major have agreed to not use the smoke exploit."

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2022-05-15 12:31

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EZ 200IQ Nvidia.exe from m0nesy

2022-05-15 12:36

G2 so desperate for a win they will do a scumbag move. They should've known the implications it had.

2022-05-15 18:00

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cry more na fan

2022-05-17 09:36

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2-3

2022-05-17 21:03

So its scumbaggy that they asked an admin before the RMR if they could use it, PGL allowed (and still will as long as its in the game) them to use it, and then G2 voted for this agreement

2022-05-18 17:29

It was obviously not approved by valve that's why they patched it so quick. G2 knew it would be controversy around the smoke that's why they asked or else they would've just used it without asking. PGL is a bunch of noobs for even allowing it.

2022-05-19 00:48

kkkkkkkkkkkk

2022-05-18 00:31

fair enough

styko pog

2022-05-15 12:32

good

nice

good, now rematch vs Imperial

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Why lol? Imperial is going to go 0-3 no matter how many times they replay matches.

2022-05-15 13:02

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if NiP can get rematch due to bad internet why not Imperial

2022-05-15 13:03

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If you think that is even remotely equivalent you're pretty dumb. Also why bring up NiP anything? Just because I'm swedish, haha.

2022-05-15 13:07

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no, i wasn't actually serious about the rematch also just noticed you're swedish lol

2022-05-15 13:11

You’re a moron if you even thought for a second they should replay the game

2022-05-15 18:50

Bad internet =/= legal smoke bug Remember it's a gentleman's agreement, it's not like it's binding, any one of them could still use it and it would be perfectly allowed. Just extremely frowned upon

2022-05-15 13:08

Bad Internet is legal as well

2022-05-15 13:16

but it was faceits fault their connection was stuffed i dont agree with the nip rematch but it makes way more sense than a legal one way lol

2022-05-15 13:43

also, this gentleman's agreement was done AFTER m0NESY used it :D but hey, people on HLTV don't have IQ

2022-05-15 13:31

bruh wtf bugs uhh how to explain this to yu dumb bugnesy fans, bug are unintended so they are illegal , but this PGL , i am sure its some mis-presentation of the bug and PGL approved it , PGL shittest organiser.

2022-05-16 17:55

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There are many unintentional mechanics that are used in the game all the time? Just because it's a bug or unintentional, doesn't mean it's automatically illegal Only gross misconduct or use of bugs is illegal, which PGL ruled this doesn't fall under

2022-05-16 20:22

yure argument is pillarless , give an example of unintentional mechanic which is used in the game all the time , now dont tell boosting .

2022-05-17 08:49

Certain boost locations, definitely. Bhopping originally started as an unintended mechanic of the Source engine. Crouch bug is an unintended mechanic. Using layered textured through smokes is an unintended mechanic

2022-05-17 12:58

Because it wasnt nips fault dumbo

2022-05-15 14:06

You're right, it's worse. A pro organization took advantage of incompetent admins and willingly condoned exploiting a bug that is clearly used as an advantage that cannot be countered as it exceeds beyond the bounds of the game mechanics.

2022-05-15 17:47

I don't really think that we've to do a rematch... but it's ironical that if were FURIA or even Imperial managing to win with a bug that obviously helped to take the victory, we're seeing a lot of you crying about it. It's just about being fair.

2022-05-15 17:51

No way bne beats imperial

AHAHAHAHA

2022-05-15 20:25

say that again?

2022-05-15 21:21

Bringing this back only to have a good laugh

2022-05-17 05:28

This didn't age well LMAO. Imperial is gonna lose 3-0? its 2-2 now xD

2022-05-17 09:23

hmmm

2022-05-17 11:49

Not a rematch, forfeit the match in favor of Imperial.

2022-05-15 13:25

yeah. Rematch is the right thing to do

2022-05-15 14:37

2022-05-15 16:09

+1 without bug abuser m0nesy if possible just in case

2022-05-15 18:06

Okay then, will everyone stop shitting on m0nesy now please? Dude agreed not to use it :)

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Kid was forced to,

2022-05-15 12:33

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Article explicitly says "gentleman's agreement" - meaning they agreed.

2022-05-15 12:40

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Ofc, they made him agree, the same one that Tweeted "PGL allowed it" now agreeing not to use it. Other pro players had to come up and be like "Hey, you know that's cheating, and we won't use it, you shouldn't neither" Imagine how the media would react if he doesn't agree LOL

2022-05-15 12:44

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G2 asking PGL prior to tournament means they have knew it may be arguable, tournament organizers gave a green light - meaning use of smoke was not done in bad spirit. "they made him agree" sounds like you just hate on the kid as you don't really have ANY sources that confirm that. You also claim you know how conversation went on to agree on it.

2022-05-15 12:48

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True! Just glad no one will continue cheating as they all agreed not to! 👍🏾

2022-05-15 12:49

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and being able to stand on the other side of that smoke LITERALLY on nothing is not cheating? Cause you can stand on the wall outside the window on nothing, everyone uses that. Just pointing out that you calling it "cheating" is a bit of a salty language. PGL allowed it - it's not cheating.

2022-05-15 12:51

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PGL don't know what they are doing yes we know that! Not being salty bug having an unfair advantage over your enemy it's called cheating in the English language. Other players had to reach up and fix what PGL could not fix. Not the 1st time PGL allows it.

2022-05-15 12:57

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How is it unfair when it's in the game and everyone could have used it? I do not think you've got your arguments in proper place to call it cheating.

2022-05-15 13:00

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It literally cancels the effect of the enemys smoke, ofc it's not supposed to be like this. It's a bug smoke, it's not supposed to work like that, just because PGL says it's allowed, surely valve wouldn't tolerate it. You will either see mirage get pulled out of map pool anyways for update or valve will fix this bug instantly after major

2022-05-15 13:06

that's not even an argument here. If PGL allowed it - it means G2 did nothing wrong as legally they have it all covered. When new things are found it's always an argument if those should be accepted. Point of the argument is that G2 are being called cheaters, and monesy getting hate for doing nothing wrong.

2022-05-15 13:09

Nah they're no cheaters and every hate towards monesy is unreasoned. They allowed it and he used it so there's no problem, I would have done the same there tbh... Cheating always includes breaking at least one rule which they did not since PGL allowed it. I agree on that with you totally

2022-05-15 13:13

we can make same cheating argument for using skybox to bounce grenades off of it - it's about agreeing what to use and what not to use.

2022-05-15 13:18

????????????????????? You don't have any arguments to not call it cheating. Other players were unaware of it, believe or not other players are not looking for smoke bugs. Coaches got bans for using the coach bug once even if they didn't know what gas going on, the fact they stayed in the bug and not disconnected from the server gained them the ban and other people calling them cheaters. m0nesy who I'm assuming has been practicing the smoke since the RMR tournaments, didn't know that his one way smoke would be cancelling the existent smoke ? Lmao alright, I mean have you even watched the thing? First he gets smoked and then he does his smoke to cancel the enemy's smoke. IF YOU DONT THINK THATS CHEATING MY MAN DONT EVEN BOTHER WATCHING PRO TOURNAMENT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHATS GOING ON

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But bro, PGL allowed him. Why not use it. I really don't like G2 but they did nothing wrong there. PGL is the one to blame

2022-05-15 13:14

YES PGL ARE THE ONES TO BLAME FOR ALLOWING CHEATING IN THEIR MAJOR! Props to all the other pro players for agreeing on not cheating!

2022-05-15 13:20

Yes, pashabiceps was unaware of 99.9% of grenade lineups being used in today's CSGO - what's the point of that argument from you? Being unaware is not really a thing when you are discovering new things. It's about searching for an advantage. Cause it's hard to define what bug is. This may have been in game since day 1 and only learned recently. Them using in game mechanics legally, then having a debate on if it should be a thing sounds fine to me. You being irrationally mad at me for saying that it's overreacting to call 16yo a cheater for it is a sign of a very rational response from your hand. I sure will stop watching pro CS cause some toxic HLTV user told me to do so as I disagreed with your irrational response on topic XD dream on my dude Everything about this situation is fine, only toxic trolls are mad - no orgs, tournament organizers or ESIC are looking at any prosecution - only toxic no brain cancel culture slaves are mad

Nah bro you clueless clearly, I'm getting baited no way someone can be this stubborn, have a great day ! 👍🏾

2022-05-15 13:17

could say the same for you, just with "toxic" as prefix to it with type of language you use. And less informed on words you use and what they mean. Good day to you too sir.

2022-05-15 13:19

Just read the part of you saying the thing about being able to jump outside the smoke and play from the wall like, if that would have been the case he gets traded at least and would not have been a free round for G2, it's called REASONING man

2022-05-15 13:01

It's called reasoning when you are making sense - point of me saying that you can stand on literally nothing outside the window shows that there are things in game that are on edge of being allowed or not. Cause you are not standing on anything, yet you are able to gain vertical advantage. Same for this smoke. Why is one cheating in your eyes and other one is fine? Cause you do get an advantage of being in a place where it looks like you cannot be there cause there is NOTHING to stand on.

2022-05-15 13:04

THE GUY IS CANCELLING A SMOKE, HE IS MAKING TRANSPARENT MAN!!! THINK FOR A MOMENT USE YOUR BRAINNNNNNN HE CANCELLING A SMOKE VS HE STANDING SOMEWHERE ELSE TO AVOID THE SMOKE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT THING PLEASE THINK USE YOUR BRAIN

Say that to PGL tbh not to g2. PGL allowed it

probably. I bet you the whole g2 knew and said who is the least likely to get shit from it, monesy. exploited kid.

2022-05-15 12:41

article tells you they ALL knew and asked PGL and PGL allowed it.

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but no other team knew, so they didn't all know did they? That's why i'm saying they had monesy do it because he would receive the least backlash when it's discovered and they get away with it lol. exploiting kids.

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when new things are learned about the game - it's usually ONE person that finds it, not everyone at the time. It's pretty dumb to share strats with others, checking it with organizers if it's fine sounds good to me. There are many things in game that are being used that are exploits, being able to stand on the other side of that smoke LITERALLY on nothing is not cheating? Cause you can stand on the wall outside the window on nothing, everyone uses that. So it just sounds like you hate on the kid without an actual proof of him doing it in bad spirit (they asked PGL so it cannot be in bad spirit).

2022-05-15 12:55

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Cheating is no strat

2022-05-15 13:15

weird how no one apart from toxic cancel culture slaves are calling it cheating. Or if it is cheating in your eyes - then using skybox to bounce grenades off of it is cheating too.

Everyone with a normally moral level call it cheating.

Weird how most of those "with a normally moral level." are using pretty toxic language and lack of reasoning. Almost like their moral is on a level of a Sunday church visitor

2022-05-15 13:22

What reason do you need? It is a wallhack and that is a cheat.

2022-05-15 13:24

It's extreme mental gymnastics to call it wallhack And using invisible walls to bounce grenades off is not cheating?

2022-05-15 13:26

Or maybe because he is playing window :D not sure tho

Why once a cheater always a cheater. Same counts for heroic

Also s1mple cheated in 1.6 remember?

2022-05-15 13:27

Yeah I know

cs;go*

2022-05-15 14:30

so same counts for bug clan too i guess i remember every team in that major agreed to not using jump-crouch bug except big lol

2022-05-15 18:33

you forget BIG wasn't asked and not invited to the meeting. So how can you agree or disagree when you aren't there to make this decision?

2022-05-15 19:00

After using it twice, lmao

much more than twice

"agreed"? Forced to after being caught red handed.

G2 asked for permission before using it, and it was allowed.... Stop blaming G2 and m0nesy for this, it was legal bug, they even asked for the permission :D

2022-05-15 13:35

"it was allowed...." by some fucktard who didn't understand the implications. If it's fucking legal why everyone has agreed not to use it from now on???????????????

2022-05-15 13:38

yes, I'm not saying anything on that, but glad you are calling them names and showing how low iq childish kid you are :) It was still allowed after they asked for it, so it was ok to use it, get over it :)

2022-05-15 13:39

I'm calling them for what they are. It was an asinine decision by a person who a, had no say in the matter, b, didn't represent the TO. The TO understood they'd fucked up and "allowed to use it" for damage control/saving face. You trying to defend the use of this bug shows how despicable you are. It's a cheat, it's now treated as a cheat and I don't understand what you're talking about.

2022-05-15 13:41

The use of the bug was allowed by TOs, so it is ok to use it. Morality of the thing is different story, but teams are trying to win, so if they are ALLOWED to use a bug that gives them advantage, any team who would have figured something like that out would have used it.

By TO? By a twitter PR person and some admin. Anyways, I'm done with this asinine dialog. You've been proven completely wrong and you insist it's OK.

2022-05-15 13:42

"Twitter PR person".... it was allowed by PGL, the Twitter PR persons don't make the decisions and write them off from their own minds :D

Russian what do u expect

2022-05-15 13:28

shouldve done it before. M0nesy forced OT against NaVi bcs of that

ty styko

Once again up to the players to fix something that PGL can't fix in their own

Pgl can fix it but they doesn't want

pgl

NICE LETS FUCKING GO

hopefully there will be a POGGERS drama in playoffs where a team get desperate and use it

that would cause such a shitstorm

2022-05-15 12:46

I would be happy if players not agree to this & told, "Now, ours turn to use it! Fuck off PGL major!!! "

2022-05-15 13:05

CSPPA actually contributing in some positive capacity ? Surprised ! GJ Styko

m0nesy cheater

cry

2022-05-15 15:35

nope

2022-05-15 16:39

watch someone use it to somehow win a round/match

BIG will use it, they did the same in 2017

2022-05-15 12:34

The grand final will be Furia vs cloud9

2022-05-15 12:59

Cope brazil furia not getting close to grand final

with that flag I would just be quiet about getting close to anything :)

lol at least my country is better than brazil at cs

2022-05-15 22:32

I see two brazilian teams still playing in this major... where's NA teams?

2022-05-15 22:46

Its pgl krakow all over again

2022-05-15 14:12

as should, well done.

ESIC wont do nothing? of course they will, 5 years from now they are going to punish PGL.

2022-05-15 12:35

Why would they punish anyone? It's PGL's tournament to chose whether this is legal or not. In fact, ESIC never punishes anyone. They give a suggestion to TO's and the TO's chose to punish. This was really just an admin decision that the pros don't agree with, which in my opinion is bullshit really. If I were a pro, I'd just say, "Fuck you, I'm going to use it. If you want to stop me, come and kill me in window after I use it."

2022-05-15 13:47

nah, they gain complete mid control exploiting that bug, it's not reasonable at all to allow it.

2022-05-15 21:13

But ESIC can't punish PGL for it, because of who they are and it's also not a breach of integrity. Should it be in the game? No. But if all teams are allowed to do it (I learned the smoke and how it works in 10 minutes and another 10 minutes to find a way to counter it relatively easily), it's not a breach of integrity or anything worthy of punishing PGL.

2022-05-15 21:16

I was taking issue with this part "This was really just an admin decision that the pros don't agree with, which in my opinion is bullshit really." It's not bullshit, it's a bug. obviously not something to punish people, but allowing it was a bad decision. good on the players to take it on them to fix that.

2022-05-15 21:20

I would personally use it if the admins allow it. Not my responsibility to control that. As I said: I found a solid way to counter it in just half an hour or so. Surely these top teams can do it as well.

2022-05-15 21:23

Gigachads

this says enough, this shouldnt have been allowed

based martin "styko" styk

2022-05-15 12:37

Nice!

After they beat imperial(and always Navi)??? What’s the punishment for using this?

2022-05-15 12:38

always??

Generally

2022-05-15 12:45

Auto corrector can be a pain in the ass sometimes, pretty sure he meant "almost"

2022-05-15 12:53

whats the punishment for doing a thing that the TO allowed? generally the punishment for that is NOTHING

2022-05-15 12:50

Just shows how PGL are clueless and don't know what they are doing yes indeed

2022-05-15 12:54

Based

but the damage has been done and no one is responsible

2022-05-15 12:39

g2 new bUg btw i dont even know that the smoke have this bug

source engine doesnt like smokes

2022-05-15 14:34

but bugesy likes a lot

2022-05-15 20:56

csppa has done something good, insane

+1 xd

Better than ESIC already

2022-05-15 16:37

smoke should be allowed against g2 only

2022-05-15 12:42

Two wrongs etc.

Good

2022-05-15 12:43

lmao, jump bug 2.0

this is 2017 all over again XD

2022-05-15 12:47

Based STYKO

Now imp and g2 rematch

how can they allow it in the rest of the major is beyond me, just admit your obvious mistake PGL... good job by styko

PGL didn't make a mistake, this is how problems should be solved, not from a fucking TO or centralized decision maker if problems arise. People should come together and solve it like this. Also now it's up to Valve who you really should blame to fix this shit.

who allowed monesy to use it in the first place tell me

2022-05-15 14:02

"ALLOWED" who allows you to take a piss, to eat, to breathe.

2022-05-15 14:05

amazing

Damage has already been done

2022-05-15 12:52

Good stuff

only the worst team complained

2022-05-15 12:56

A bit too late now isn’t it

flair

Imperial fan logic: Why do you agree on something after finding out about it? Why not before? Also flair

2022-05-15 13:34

Well no shit sherlock, how do you think they would find out about something before finding out about something.

Why G2 don't FairPlay when knowing the bug? Oh, they used it, and used until be cancelled.

2022-05-15 15:13

Allow it to be used against G2 kekw

It's a shame Valve... if this had happened to an underdog they would have already been banned.

Okay let’s Ban Olof from using a bug but not money

Use this bug are the same as using wall hack on smoke this it, PGL fuck alow it... G2 knows its and still do it bcz? They would go 0-3,... how much money are involved on those scandal about PGL and G2.

Even if Carlos paid for this you need an insider for evidence

The agreement will not take back the injustice that happened to the victims. Yeah Pgl allowed it but that doesn't make it right to use it. People who argue with that view just read "category imperative" I don't want cheaters in the game. Sadly that players need an agreement on that

2022-05-15 13:12

2022-05-15 20:31

BUG 2.0

2022-05-15 13:23

BUG2

cancel culture

STYKO GOAT

Valve shit!

Bugesy

2022-05-15 13:29

"We also asked on RMR quals tournament admins if we can use this smoke. They allowed it to use." What the problem?

2022-05-15 13:32

PGL clowns, if teams cant play a molotov in wall that is a game feature how this smoke cancel would be legal?

Only good decision. G2 should have been wiser than make m0nesy use it but what can one do when they can't win otherwise.

2022-05-15 13:40

So their was a vote. Saying "all teams agree" would mean that no team voted for using it. I doubt that's the case. Personally, I wouldn't give a fuck about it and just use it. PGL allowed it, I'll use it. If you want to beat me, find a solution instead of bitching about it.

2022-05-15 13:52

I dont agree with the bug but if its legal i would use too..the same in life if you can abuse steal and took money from someone and the judge tell you its not a crime i would do that bcz if i dont do it others will do... real fault should b on PGL but idc if alow it everyone should abuse that bug wall hack smoke, ps on reedit u can use it on any place in anymap on any enemy smoke.

2022-05-15 14:27

Can you link me to where I can find how it can be used in any circumstance? As it stands now, I'm personally of the opinion that it's just another one-way smoke and should be allowed in tournaments in general. Teams just need to learn how to play against it.

2022-05-15 14:32

You just need to make the smoke explode before time above another smoke, i though first need a conner or box but uf you do it right with your head close to wall and usualy all smoke drop near a wall u can make the enemy smoke invisible so yes this bug = wall hack on enemy smoke. If its fair game definilty not and g2 know it and adm know it and alow it, its not one way, oneway u try to hide on smoke at take a pixel but after get 1 kill u will dead bcz enemy will know, this bug alow u wall hack on enemy smoke so u can hide and keep shotting while no one can see it.

2022-05-15 14:41

But the opposing side still knows you've thrown a weird smoke to try and one-way your way through their smoke right? While maybe it's more akin to wallhack, you can definitely approach it the same as a one-way. People just need to learn how to counter it. At the beginning when one-way smokes were discovered, it was also deemed bullshit and people didn't know how to handle it, but now it's an integral part of the game.

2022-05-15 14:46

Now you said something doesnt make sense, all one way u have the right pixel vision to take advantagr but u will jump on smoke to hide yourself and enemy wont have vision bcz smoke bloked it, this bug you dont need to take the pixel conner on smoke to one way, u can see though smoke 100% clear while enemy cant see you though smoke, if was wan balance this bug both teams should alow to see though smoke, and if this happen they can take off from shop the smoke bcz if evrryone can see though smoke dont need to have smoke in game, this bug = wall hack on smoke and thats a total abuse but if you think thats fair its ok, if someone tell me its alow to rape steal and kill and i wont penalize, and i would recieve a title and recognize as hero and champion on doing those shit i would do hahahahaha

2022-05-15 15:05

there is a saying in polandia (roughly translated) "opportunity makes a thief" you fit right into it

2022-05-15 14:36

Love ppls hypocrisy bcz you would do the same bcz its not thief if the laws, justice, police, judge tell you this its not thief and not a crime .... thats why i want ppls who are defending g2 should understand most here are hypocrisy and im honestly person to admint myself if the law alow me to take advantage of something i would definitly do it over try to blaming and ended do it in the same way...

2022-05-15 14:48

dont judge people with your life experience lenses. Im not a thief even if there is a situacion in which i can get away with stealing something. Thats when you show your true character and who you truly are. To give you a simple example: i dont use winrar on PC, i use 7z because its free :P.

2022-05-15 14:52

every major has a bug? XDDDDD

2022-05-15 14:18

if it were a non-french team they would immediately get punished.. how much did carlos pay valve this time to bail his bois out?

they have one french player and carlos is spanish???? what is wrong with you

2022-05-15 16:04

Call g2 and ocelote french is the biggest insult that Spanish community ever recibe

2022-05-15 16:17

2022-05-15 14:43

ofc it was against Imperial, it's BUG clan all over again ffs

2022-05-15 15:03

use it anyway after agreeing not to forsenBased

2022-05-15 15:11

IF IMPERIAL KNOW THE BUG BEFORE THE MATCH WOULD THEY PLAY MIRAGE?

2022-05-15 15:15

it's a bug that can be replicate on every map, it's not specific to mirage.

2022-05-15 16:22

What’s the technical side of you comment? Is it a specific angle that will glitch a smoke? Thought it was Mirage specific.

2022-05-15 17:13

I don't know the specifics technically speaking, but there's footages of the same bug on other maps, here's one twitter.com/RauleSrib/status/15256753259..

2022-05-15 17:25

Interesting. Thank you for enlightening me. Hopefully Volvo will patch it

2022-05-15 17:29

That is definitely not the same. The monesy smoke completely removes the window smoke like its not even there where you can see clear as day. This is more like a 1 way because he still couldn't see that well but that should be fixed as well.

2022-05-15 17:45

I think you’re wrong. It’s the same mechanics being exploited. Stacked smokes giving vision from within but from outside it looks like two smokes. Granted the D2 smokes were not stacked as well as the mirage smoke by Monesy.

2022-05-15 17:58

That's how 1 ways work. You can't see ct but he has partial vision. The monesy smoke completely removed the smoke from his vision on that corner.

2022-05-15 18:05

Rewatched the link above. There is no one way gap on D2. It’s an elimination of smoke from the inside perspective.

2022-05-15 18:56

How is it not a 1 way gap? 1 ways you don't have full vision from a CT juat enough to see and test can't see. A 1 way it looks completely smoked from the outside.

2022-05-15 20:30

major teams reached an agreement to keep using the bugged molly on ancient, because they're hypocrites

2022-05-15 15:58

gentlemen's agreement when it was only 1 guy using it, shouldnt it be called schooling the kiddo?

2022-05-15 16:25

2022-05-15 17:12

so who was in wrong, was it monesy? PGL? or Valve? or all of them?

2022-05-15 16:29

Monesy. Low ethics individual that’s desperate. Alexib. Low ethics individual who as IGL didn’t explicitly prohibit the use of a clearly bugged smoke. Niko. Desperate for a major didn’t shut down grimy tactics that’ll tarnish an trophy he may get here. PGL. Allowed this crap in the RMR and thereby soiling the major. Trash org. Volvo. Should strip any future major from PGL based on questionable ethics. Should consider having matches replayed if you want Volvo money. CSPPA - seems to have brokered the gentleman’s agreement. Monesy isn’t a gentleman though as a gentleman understood it was cheap and low brow.

2022-05-15 17:11

apparently PGL allowed the smoke to be used, monesy said on twitter they explicitly asked them in the RMR if they can use it and they said yeah its ok. So it wasnt even by chance by them using it but intentional part of the stratbook. PGL should not have allowed that. Volvo could fix their game in the first place, many other bugs and stuff in the game left to fix

2022-05-15 17:30

Yeah but it depends how pgl was shown the bug. Was it shown with just throwing the smoke without the window smoke being there so it looks like a crappy 1 way or was it shown with the window smoke and shows them how it completely neutralize the window smoke. If it's the latter then pgl is a scummy org for allowing it.

2022-05-15 17:41

Completely agreee. How was it presented to PGL? Either way, it should have been shut down on so many levels starting with Monesy, Niko, and Alexi

Yeah the players of g2 should've known better to use a bug like that but they are so desperate to win they will do anything and take advantage of the young kid knowing he wouldn't get in trouble.

2022-05-15 18:02

Finally someone gets it. +10000000000000000

2022-05-15 17:42

fvck you PGL

2022-05-15 16:30

Honestly it's fair. It's what happened during the PGL Krakow 2017 major. PGL allowed a jump bug that Big was using but all teams/players agreed to not use it.

2022-05-15 16:41

LEAF is back again

2022-05-15 16:53

CSPPA > PGL. Clearly not an intended game function but you are so desperate to win you exploit it. G2 deserve to lose and any major title they get in Antwerp is now soiled and will have doubt cast upon it. No more PGL majors. Let’s go FaceIt or Blast. Listen up Volvo

2022-05-15 17:06

PGL probably only repeated what Volvo said.

2022-05-15 17:16

What if somehow this bug occurs unintentionally? Players should just don't look through it then?

Coach bug would occur unintentionally, some coachs were even AFK, monitors OFF. Had video evidence, audio evidence that thei did not even knew there was a bug = banned FOR LIFE. Use a portable wallhack 5 time on a major legends stage = Fair game. I suggest everyone to just spam this bug on MM and enjoy Free Wins.

2022-05-15 17:28

I don't get why PGL didn't ask Valve advice before allowing it to be used on the Major, I'm sure they'd say to don't do it almost instantly and there's Valve's people working with them for the Major. I won't blame the kid, but it was a massive overlook from G2. They have people with enough experience to know how community and most players would react to a bug abuse so powerful.

2022-05-15 17:32

Exactly. But I'm wondering how the smoke was shown to pgl. Monesy could've shown just the smoke itself and not it being used with an already existing window smoke.

2022-05-15 17:37

The fact this had to be voted on is ridiculous. As a player and an organization you should know the smoke is unfair to the basics of the game and should've never been used to begin with.

2022-05-15 17:35

G2 is so desperate for a win it's sad

2022-05-15 17:56

nice good fix and solution for now.

2022-05-15 19:59

This is as stupid as it gets tbh... This should've been settled BEFORE G2 exploited that and won the game against Imperial w/ it. How come other teams wont have the same opportunity now? PGL is a fking meme

2022-05-15 20:26

What a dick move to make from Monesy. What an absolute shame.

2022-05-15 23:51