Copenhagen Flames to build new roster

3/6/2022 - 14:45

With the coach and two players already gone, and the other three up for sale, the Danish organisation are ready to build a brand-new team.

Following the announcement of the transfers of Nico "⁠nicoodoz⁠" Tamjidi and Fredrik "⁠roeJ⁠" Jørgensen to fnatic, Copenhagen Flames have released a statement detailing their desire to find new homes for Jakob "⁠jabbi⁠" Nygaard, Rasmus "⁠HooXi⁠" Nielsen and Rasmus "⁠Zyphon⁠" Nordfoss.

A separate statement announced the departure of coach and Head of Esports, Daniel "⁠Vorborg⁠" Vorborg.

The players are fresh off the back of a playoff run at the PGL Major Antwerp

It is no secret that the organisation has been looking to sell their successful roster for some time, with the team nearly moving to Complexity at the end of last year before the deal fell through.

The organisation has cited a lack of resources to match the squad’s stature as the reason for seeking a buyer, stating ahead of 2022 that “there are some opportunities that we cannot offer in Copenhagen Flames, such as franchise slots and big salaries.”

Copenhagen Flames to retain roster for 2022

As for Vorborg, his statement referring to the organisation's lack of ability to keep a top-level roster, saying "I feel the need to challenge myself at that level."

The Danish squad had generally impressed since their breakout performance at IEM Fall last year, continuing to post victories and top placings in online tier-two events such as Malta Vibes and Pinnacle Series, and just recently made an immense run to the top eight at the PGL Major Antwerp. They also climbed to a peak of #9 in the HLTV world rankings.

Moving forward the organisation is hoping to build a new roster, CEO Steffen Thomsen explained.

"Going forward, our aim is to maintain our current level of play and results. Our next lineup will be one full of potential, and although we know the road back to the Major and the elite CS:GO teams will be tough, we have high hopes and plenty of confidence stating that this is our goal. We have plans to work even closer with our partners utilizing their resources in both data and science to accomplish this goal.

"If you are a supporter or fan of our club, please don’t be disheartened. We will continue being ambitious, daring and bold. And although players and teams change, our DNA and core way of creating winning lineups will not. Stick with us, it will be worth it."

lmao

2022-06-03 14:46

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Lucky and Bubzkji

2022-06-03 14:54

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Yes please

2022-06-03 14:55

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Jason Lake lul imagine snubbing Major legends team for NA bot team

2022-06-03 15:37

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LOL, couldn't agree more. Should've signed CPH roster end of 2021...regret always comes too late.

2022-06-03 15:42

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Why the fuck would he have signed this dogshit roster?

2022-06-03 23:31

Col is not gonna betray NA we needed the support and I literally couldn't care less about a eu squad

2022-06-03 15:46

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rather sign the worst players ever, the worst awp i've ever seen in my entire life lmao I'm certain theres better players in NA than these 5 guys

2022-06-03 15:49

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it was extra salt core fang jt and floppy are cracked top NA players closes to break into t1 junior is inexperienced grim potential team liquid was dead when he arrived sadly tho team is in bad form. fang was burned out for a while ig he's fine now. junior is inconsistent and I feel his nerves are getting to him in big matches but giving them time to grow and develop is the goal there is 0 t1 oppunited during the covid era and no up and coming talent had experienced that there is no NA awper to replace jr ig there is nifty if he wanted to play he's been lowkey tho other that analist gig he had never seen him in pugs or fpl from the streams I watches but Col is dedicated to giving them time to develop and being patient like what extra salt did, if they leave the scene is basically dead since we got no top orgs support and t1 events honestly the reason NA been shit is because we have no t1 events everything is in EU if u cant go to eu u cant get good enough to play t1 events as well esl killed NA proleagues so furia, TL and eg was never here for the xp of playing against them but the scene will rise again with eg's blueprints and iem dallas ig team was rushing to scrim against t1 teams

2022-06-03 23:04

Truth is, careers in cs are relatively short. To me, if NA teams moved to Europe for 2/3/4 years they could compete against EU teams, but they stay in NA playing against noobs. Sorry can't see Junior be a good awper, he needs tiiiime ? How many times has it been since he got recruited by Furia? That mf is a ytb highlighter nothing more. I won't even talk about JT.

2022-06-05 13:17

didnt know konfig, poizon, blameF, es3tag were NA players back then

2022-06-03 16:12

rush was on the team so obviously it was NA, just like Faze won the 2nd major for NA

2022-06-03 16:47

still had rush and poizon been in NA for years therefor is NA Copium

2022-06-03 22:51

2022-06-03 15:07

+ msl - hoxxy

2022-06-03 15:24

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I swear people who still bring MSL up into discution are delusional or they are baiting hardcore. Please explain your reasoning so i can die in peace.

2022-06-03 15:41

Don't let the fact that he's bald to make you forget he's still like 26 or something

2022-06-03 16:28

Man, I love MSL but I agree with #107

2022-06-03 16:45

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really descent sniper. MVP with the only lan he played it. And T1 IGL.

2022-06-03 20:49

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Only good event for him he was still terrible after

2022-06-04 00:23

Team split after the event. Short memory ?

2022-06-04 02:16

well that was 4 years ago but he was still terrible in optic after north

2022-06-04 02:20

Bub still alive?

last interview I saw of him he's doing Danish commentating of events and said he does not want to continue to play at this point. TO the stars baby

2022-06-03 17:10

It will be fun to see this two revive their careers

2022-06-03 19:07

yes please

2022-06-03 19:26

eSports needs a tv deal. Shit is not profitable

2022-06-03 16:31

Yeah it's not profitable, but even with TV deal there would still be feeder teams

2022-06-03 19:44

rip falmes

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we have fantic now 🙂

2022-06-03 14:47

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you mean to tell me mezii and krimz are on the same level as zyphon and jabbi?? dude....

2022-06-03 15:17

🙂 maybe 🙂 maybe not🙂

2022-06-03 15:18

maybe for sure not 🙂

2022-06-03 15:23

maybe for sure yes 🙂

2022-06-03 16:41

kick them and buy the remaining ch roster

2022-06-03 15:32

will happen in 2 months

i say after next event

Oh look another Mezii underrater

2022-06-03 17:21

i don't underrate him, but if you have normal to meh stats against the tier 2, i can't really expect much from you if you happen to play against a tier 1; i'm not gonna base my opinions on unquantifiable stuff .... On top of all you gotta account for the fact now you have 2 danish who were playing on a full danish squad, switching to an international roster where they'd have to speak english and comms will get severly affected thus the overall performance of all players, try to improve your numbers that way lol. I'm sorry if you are his fan, but objectively wether based on the stats we have now or if we make futurology; there are no real reasons to believe he is/will be better than zyphon/jabbi.

2022-06-03 17:35

I think stats fiend fundamentally miss out on how good a player is due to how highly contextual they are. If you watch him play you can see he's a smart player with great aim, but if he's on messy and inconsistent lineups he'll never get the stats to satisfy people like you.

2022-06-04 02:43

no u dont

2022-06-03 16:07

ok 🙂

2022-06-03 16:08

Falmes will revive like phoenix 🙂

Astralis here’s your chance

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no money

Yeah pretty sure they bought device back already and still playing xyp so pretty much in poverty

2022-06-03 14:49

Where do you get that idea?

2022-06-03 14:50

cuz Since device left they invest 0€ in buyouts and waited for contracts to end.

2022-06-03 14:52

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They're stingy, not poor. Also, Flames were selling their players really cheaply. They asked for, quote, "way less" than 500k for the entire roster.

2022-06-03 14:59

The whole package is mostly cheaper than single parts of it except for real tournament win contester lineups.

2022-06-03 15:00

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The whole package is cheaper than if you were to buy all single parts 1 by 1 but no single player is gonna cost more than the entire deal

2022-06-03 15:04

ofc a single player wouldn't cost the entire lineup. But when we assume they sell them for 500k as a team you can say if they sell all players 1 by 1 they can get 800-900k in the best circumstances.

2022-06-03 15:15

Yeah sure but what does that matter, 200k would still be cheap for some of those guys

Definitely for the first two players, but now they have 3 players they need to get rid of. I'd imagine they're selling the remaining players for approx. 75k each.

2022-06-03 15:05

I guess Jabbi cost probably the most. Many "lower" teams want him and struggling teams.

2022-06-03 15:14

i mean theyve lost money everysingle year...

astralis has always been a broke org no secret

2022-06-03 16:33

falmes

Shame for the future of danish cs

nah astralis #1 after geting jabbi and nicoodoz

Nicoodoz already in fnatic

2022-06-03 15:36

shit i forgot

hooxi to navi kekw

2022-06-03 15:38

gl to them

someone is going to ASTRALIS 100%

Zyphon 4 sure

2022-06-04 15:03

no respect for money hungry farmer orgs who only come to the scene to make quick cash and leave, atleast try to win something

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? You obviously don't know what u are talking about

2022-06-03 14:53

nt CPH CEO. You didnt even try to build your brand, just sell sell sell money money money

You know the players them self are involved

The org doesn't have enough money to increase their salaries that correlates to their players' success

That's what a lot of startups did in Sillicon Valley, create the startup get the workers invested in the company, then sell the business in 3-5 years for 10-20 mil and fuck off, lay off most of the workers, only the CEO and the investors make the big bucks. I m surprised, we dont see that often in esports, but who knows might see more of it as it becomes more popular.

Esport organisations dont make money. Every single one loses money big or small

2022-06-03 15:16

fake

2022-06-03 15:19

they lose money right now because its a investment towards the future. When the esport scene will be way way bigger. Grow now, cash later.

they don’t make money with esports directly* brands like G2 and 100T are profitable (as far as i know), but due to the fact that they built a brand that people support (which means merchandise money etc. which is where the big profit margins are) but yeah CPH don’t have a comparable fanbase at all

20iq comment

2022-06-03 15:33

I don't think it's that bad of a model, they give background to new young players, give them salaries, so they can fully focus on the game and then sell them after they become good, it is a win for both sides.

2022-06-03 15:59

Which big org would have signed them before they joined Copenhagen Flames?? These kind of Orgs are required so the future talents have some place to show what they got. Some of them came from SNG that org absolutely has no business being in cs, as they ignore their cs division.

2022-06-03 16:26

well said

2022-06-04 09:59

They will stay around. And are one of the building blocks danish counterstrike depends on. Honestly on of the reasons a nation with 5mill can compete at the level they are. Players benefit massive from borth development and exposure.

Dumb bait

2022-06-03 17:31

You know nothing about business, CPF are one of the only t1/1.5 orgs to actually be profitable. Big orgs spend the cost of their whole team on one player and still don't make it to major playoffs

2022-06-03 19:50

+jabbithekiller - farlig

There were good guys. Good luck to them!

2022-06-03 14:48

astralis do it

Who do they get tho?

jabbi can replace Xyp9x and play as a B anchor. I'd easily take him over valde IMO.

Ye I agree. He looked very promising during the major. If device the snake manages to get back too, it's suddenly a really solid Astralis.

Fnatic just stop trying u are breaking the people's team

+device +BOT Kyle +BOT Vitaliy 3v5 easy win

3 awpers nice

2022-06-03 16:55

Nice🙂 new falmes🙂

Gl hf

I don't understand this move. The squad were starting to be successful, why sell them when they are literally opening doors for your org? Selling them to make a quick bit of cash is incredibly short sighted.

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CPH Flames is a feeder team. Their entire existence is based on making new rosters and then selling them off when the bigger teams are interested. They've been doing this before this roster was made.

i get your point, but when the sale to complexity fell through they started beating their chests about how the squad wanted to stay with them and achieve great things together. I guess that was a load of bullshit to save face after a botched sale, then?

2022-06-03 17:23

for context: hltv.org/news/33014/copenhagen-flames-to..

2022-06-03 17:24

Perhaps? I can't really tell you what their management is thinking, only what they've done in the past. And with that said, they did start to slump hard when they went back to tier 2/3 online cups so it's possible that bigger teams dismissed their Stockholm run as a fluke and thus interest in them waned. It's entirely possible that this thing about wanting to stay together was perpetuated by coL wanting to buy the entire team before that deal fell through. With this run, they've shown that they're consistent enough to show up at big LAN events and make deep runs into play-offs. Plus, the org has secured their share of sticker money so that's a nice bonus for them as well. But like I said, this is mostly speculation.

2022-06-03 17:33

yup, everything you say makes sense. Obviously we have no way of knowing for certain.

2022-06-03 17:37

+1 dude. Everything you said made so much sense. You’re fluent, man!!

2022-06-03 18:00

U obviously don't know what's going on in the background. The org doesn't have the money and can't offer the players the grand opportunities that bigger orgs can give the players. They are actually helping them by letting them go to other orgs instead of just keeping them for themselves and paying them a lower salary

Well, its not everything about money you know, with less resources than most tier 1 teams they did a lot more so... I do not agree entirely with that logic, they could improve as an org and start making more money. Everyone talk as if they were limited for some reason to be talen-farmer organization

2022-06-03 15:30

I mean they were limited, not having partner slots hurt a lot. Too many qualifiers to play, too many online matches.

2022-06-03 19:38

partner slots are shit, they shouldn't even exist, because of that you have teams like eg who end last in it's group 3 times in a row. Every team should gain their slot, not have it free Apart from that, as i said before, they should gain that slot like everyone else did

2022-06-03 20:24

Thats the thing, they cant gain that slot unless someone sells their own slot, and not many orgs are dumb enough to do that.

2022-06-04 04:46

How are they going to do that with only a CSGO roster?

2022-06-03 19:54

Like the dude above said this is what the Flames have always done. It might seem weird now but they still have two great young players and a solid IGL. Roej is older selling him is fine. They’ll take chances and probably find more gems

it's more like cr4zy or avangar case.which Org can't afford the demanding raise after good results and forms.

hltv.org/news/27752/cr4zy-ceo-we-accumul.. The reality of esports

2022-06-03 19:56

big L for coL on that one

True lmao

2022-06-03 14:58

Jason Lake must be losing his fucking mind right now, lmao

2022-06-03 17:40

Jabbi to Heroic , HooXi and Zyphon to MOUZ

2022-06-03 14:51

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Heroic need no changes whatsoever

refrezh is kinda bad. I would say jabbi could replace him.

racista((

2022-06-03 19:10

have been standing still for a long time, they need to change something to win

2022-06-03 16:32

They are ranked 6th though, so I suppose all teams below Heroic should change rosters as well or what?

2022-06-03 17:02

Astralis, Vitality, Entropiq, Liquid, MOUZ,

2022-06-03 17:47

+1 would be good

Jabbi to astralis would be better than heroic

2022-06-03 16:00

for who? for Xyp9x better valde and probably you will not replace k0nfig or blameF

For xyp9x. He’s an alternative to valde but he has more future potential with a smaller buyout than valde I’d imagine

2022-06-03 16:51

I am afraid that that Cadian might break Jabbi, he is so thin, I am not sure he can withstand Cadians outbreaks of joy when they win a round :)

jabbi to navi or faze

-Xyp9x -Farlig +device +jabbi

100% agree would make astralis top 3 team easily

this team was good, but 100% not simpatic

rip HOOXI career xD

Astralis need to kick Xyp for Jabbi while they can

astrais are getting valde and device probably.

That works too but I like Jabbi more then Valde tbh

2022-06-03 15:13

jabbi Zyphon Hooxi Gade Valde --> Top 20 team.

2022-06-03 14:56

Gade 🥴

2022-06-03 15:03

decent player.

falmes🙂

Fantic

2022-06-03 16:01

Astralis should take jabbi.

2022-06-03 14:57

Ranked 11 in the world playing with the big guys and you do this crap, seems a bit ridiculous or over the top to say the least!?

The org is in it to make money and they couldn't pay the players what they deserve so they sell them to other teams so the players can get paid.

2022-06-03 17:26

sad

gl flames

why not keep HooXi?

Tbh I feel like that might happen. I'm not sure if anyone is willing to buy him. Sucks for him tho as I think zyphon and jabbi will find better teams so he might be the only one that has to continue with falmes.

I mean he is basically the new hunden. shit fragging but a great igl that can clearly develop talent. I mean roeJ went from an unimpressive boomer in Mad Lions to the best player of a t1.5 squad. I mean with all that talent in ML who would have thought roeJ is the guy with a promising future (well ignoring sjuush mainly acor and bubz kinda ripped)

2022-06-03 15:31

Astralis ruined bubz

2022-06-03 17:00

well its still partly bubz fault for thinking he would would get anything from joining that trainwreck of a org

2022-06-03 17:09

yep

2022-06-03 15:48

to fnatic

Acor Fessor Bubber Someone hidden talent from Danish lineup Some IGL

COPENHAGEN ARE SOMETHING LIKE BENFICA IS FOOTBALL... refrezh roej Farlig Nicodooz Acillon mankz TMBRO daffu TESES mertz

yeah denmark have all these tenured igls developing talent its incredible. HooXi might just become the next hunden where all the new top danish talent will go through him.

+Lucky +bubski +Valde +niko +Staehr

lmao rly??

Any idea why Fnatic didn't take Jabbi also? I would assume $$ was probably the reason.

Hooxi would have been a better idea.I mean fnatic needs an igl now, right? If hooxi was the igl of the team they should get him, it s not easy to find an igl nowadays.

but they have an upgrade in ALEX fragging wise by a lot and its not like he is a complete bum. Fnatic are just smoking something who knows

fragging wise but even if ALEX didn t really had the best conditions or best players in the world idk what to think about him as an igl anymore.

2022-06-03 15:51

I mean he had some decent results on C9 and almost made it to pro league playoffs (how the fuck did they lose to mibr but I mean the pressure they were under was something else it was like win or lose job). On Fnatic he literally took spare parts and brought it to pro league playoffs from a 0-2 start. It did help poizon was on the good side of his inconsistency and KRIMZ suddenly became good again as Brollan left, but I mean it cant be an easy job with 2 standins 1 of which is barely t2 level.

2022-06-03 15:54

They also had banjo standing in, 3 stand ins lol

2022-06-03 16:04

oh yeah they didnt even have fucking KRIMZ. literally 2 t3 players and he was ahead of mouz and g2.... I mean if this aint a igling job and a half what is

2022-06-03 16:40

Wtf? Why they changing this roster? That was really good team

2022-06-03 15:11

im crying

2022-06-03 15:12

ahahahaha

Idk how to feel about this.I thought they want to leave cs, no money to pay salaries etc etc (those were the rumours).Now they want a new roster? So they will keep building rosters, hoping they will find new good talents so they can later sell them and make the big bucks? Fuck this, good for them but i feel no love for the game.

they never wanted to leave cs. their cs squad was just getting too good and they can't pay the same salaries as the topteams. so they wanted to find an org for the players. the are content with giving newcomers a chance to rise, and always build new teams.

They dont have enough money to pay high enough salaries for this roster so they dont have a choice really other than selling them. They'll get another low tier lineup that they can afford.

Lucky , fessor , bubzki

2022-06-03 15:20

not bad tbh

2022-06-03 15:35

I'm assuming heroic will -refrezh maybe even -sjuush and will pick up jabbi and zyphon

2022-06-03 15:25

I wouldn't be surprised if they took Fessor

Hahahahaha 2head move. Gj

2022-06-03 15:27

"buy our 3 shitty players that we got left with" rip

If they stay together, they could team up with some other players, maybe Bubzkji, Valde, Dev1ce, MSL, ... idk what other tier 2 Danish players are available.

0/4 tier 2 players. NT

2022-06-03 23:24

Well, Bubzkji has retired as a pro, MSL unwillingly as well, but otherwise he'd be tier 3, Valde has played in tier 3 for most of his career now, so I guess only Dev1ce is a tier 2 player right now, at least if he plays again. Devve has had sick leave throughout Queen Elizabeth II's entire 70 year reign.

2022-06-04 00:08

fessor?

2022-06-03 15:39

The three remaining players will have to stick together to secure their major status..?

2022-06-03 15:43

It only gets them to the RMR (which still is good since open quals are hard af) so its not as good as it used to be

Smartest org imo

2022-06-03 15:44

fessor should be first one they try to get but astralis will offer him assurances to play for main team

Get acor he is good, just unlucky in the mouz, and niko is also decent player

2022-06-03 15:55

MOUZ Frozen Torzi Hooxi Jabbi Zyphon Actual Pog?

2022-06-03 15:57

acor, niko, fessor maybe??

some1 pick jabbi asap

2022-06-03 16:05

Pick up MSL

2022-06-03 16:19

Complexity is a great choice for these talents, just kick these na bots like Fang, floppy, junior they're horrible Three months gone after signing Extra Bots - no results. Greatest achievement for them is beating Evil Geniuses to end up group stage 1-4 on EPL

2022-06-03 16:25

new roster coming, mark my words device jabbi zyphon hooxi valde

lmao, no shot bucko. Dont have the budget. They are known to sign unknown 4000 elo kids. They will maybe have 1-2 experiences players, rest unknown

2022-06-03 17:16

I miss u FALMES

2022-06-03 16:58

HooXi jabbi Zyphon Kjaerbye Lucky

Some good players still there!

I'm sad 🙁

DEVICE TO CPH

Maybe Lucky/Farlig + Fessor if they want to stay competetive instantly?Would be downgrade but roles match But knowing the DK scene they'll probably pick someone from MASONiC/Atlantic etc

can add hunden

2022-06-03 17:49

apeks to keep jkaem and nawwk and go for these 3?

2022-06-03 18:17

I highly doubt it will work for fnatic and flames have quite a lot of trouble to fill these spots. Maybe Valde and someone? Or go international? I honestly think it is disaster for flames :|

2022-06-03 18:25

HooXi deserves better

2022-06-03 18:28

F FALMES :(

2022-06-03 18:45

I liked that team.... well, welcome to tier 5

2022-06-03 18:47

with heroic losing form this roster was the best in Denmark going forward they shouldn't have split up

2022-06-03 18:53

Roej and Nico going to a better org, but much worse team. Rip Falmes it was a great run

2022-06-03 19:24

Denmark went from dominating CS to having 0 top 5 teams and only declining further. Couldn’t keep up with the aggressive meta. slow methodical CS just isn’t cutting it in 2022

2022-06-03 19:29

Just like Sweden, we Danes had a golden period. But alas, nothing lasts forever. The CIS region is where it's at atm. So goddamn many talented players coming out of that region lately. And Denmark and Sweden just can't keep up with that at the moment. We also lost one of the most important figures in Danish CS in HUNDEN. A guy that used to teach up and coming players how to think about CS. It is an immense blow to the Danish scene.

2022-06-04 11:20

Your own people killed hundens career. At least he had the integrity to expose that he wasn’t alone in cheating with spectator bug, his players on heroic knew about it and helped him into bug spot. Yet he was thrown under the bus by Danes to protect a few players careers. It’s pathetic really, if hunden can no longer compete neither should heroic players that were in the team at the time.

2022-06-04 16:52

What killed his career wasn't the coach bug scandal but betraying the org he worked for. Nobody wants a coach that leaks tactics to other teams for whatever reason. Heroic kept him onboard even after he had been found guilty of exploiting the coach bug. What got him fired was sharing confidential information with another team.

2022-06-07 08:17

They should probably keep Hooxi since he seems to be a decent HUNDEN type IGL and has too poor fragging to market

2022-06-03 19:57

rip falmes :(

2022-06-03 20:09

The whole journey of this team has been an incredibly strange.

2022-06-03 20:23

this is sad. rip danish flipsid3 tactics

2022-06-04 02:41

falmes :((

2022-06-04 02:42

MSL Aizy Kjaerbye Lucky Bubzkij North 2.0

2022-06-04 10:58

Well GL I guess. We will see if they will create another wave of Danish young talents.

2022-06-04 13:17

All of them are good players, hope they find fitting teams. Looking forward to what roster CPH Flames will build and its iterations. I think it's always interesting to see the talent these "budget" Orgs like them, Endpoint and Mouz unearth or rosters they build.

2022-06-04 16:59