How ESL Impact is keeping the women's scene alive

Players that competed at ESL Impact League Season 1 Finals in Dallas shared their thoughts on the women's-only tournament circuit.

"Yeah, female CS almost died. Thanks to ESL Impact, it's getting reborn again."

The words of one of the most experienced women players still left competing in Counter-Strike, Ksenia "⁠vilga⁠" Kluenkova, paint a vivid picture of the state the scene found itself in, and the importance of the ESL Impact League that started in 2022 as a part of the GG For All initiative.

To find out how exactly ESL is keeping the women's scene alive and whether or not the Impact League has made progress towards its goal of attracting new players, we spoke to five players from different regions competing in the tournament to get their perspectives.

The Season 1 finals featured a prize pool of $123,000

Over the past couple of years, the women's scene within CS:GO had definitely been on a downward trend. Many of the teams that were staples within the scene like Dignitas fe, headed up by Emmalee "⁠EMUHLEET⁠" Garrido, and XSET, the core of Julia "⁠juliano⁠" Kiran and Zainab "⁠zAAz⁠" Turkie, had disappeared, switching to VALORANT. Furthermore, the regular tournaments like Intel Challenge Katowice, WESG, and Copenhagen Games had disappeared once the pandemic had begun.

With little left to play in in terms of exclusive tournaments, many existing players started to slowly quit competing, seeing VALORANT as a more attractive alternative. Captain of FURIA fe Olga also saw this trend, saying "a lot of players from other teams around the world were thinking about switching to VALORANT."

The COVID-19 pandemic had side effects that made the competition difficult other than just decreasing the number of events, especially in a region like Oceania. Vivienne "⁠BiBiAhn⁠" Quach of Mindfreak shared her experience playing in Australia in the last couple of years, echoing many of the same sentiments. "Because of COVID and that, we've had less opportunities and been completely shut out because of international travel."

Nigma Galaxy established themselves as the best women's team in Dallas

Not only were older players leaving the game for greener pastures, but newer players were also not coming in to take their place. The CS:GO player base always contained a very small percentage of women, and the number had not seen any significant increase in recent years. But why are women rarer in not just Counter-Strike, but esports in general?

The question has been asked for years, with a plethora of answers being given depending on the person. In Olga's experience, what we see in CS:GO is "just a reflection of society," explaining that a hostile environment doesn't just exist in the game itself. "The support, not just about organizations or tournaments, but your own family and people around you. They don't support you when you're a girl and you're playing a game."

The idea of a hostile online environment for women in gaming is something many cite as one of the primary factors in fewer women playing competitive games, and as a result, becoming competitors in esports. CLG Red's Diane "⁠di^⁠" Tran shared her view on the matter, saying "nobody that plays casual games would want to play a game where they’re getting bullied because of their gender."

vilga from Nigma Galaxy shared her view that the toxicity and abuse she and many other women experienced is the core of the issue, explaining that projects like ESL Impact combat that by providing an all-women environment. "I believe that female players need a safe space. It's really important because without it there is just too much toxicity and sexism and just hate in general, based on the sex of a person."

FURIA fe made a statement taking down CLG Red

Because of all these factors like fewer tournaments, players leaving, and new players not coming in, the ESL Impact League served as a ray of hope for many of the remaining competitors. "When we found out about the ESL Impact League, we were super excited because we were on the edge of switching to VALORANT," said vilga, "we had no competition left in Europe."

The tournament series featured full-on league formats for the three largest regions in North America, South America, and Europe. In South America, FURIA fe found themselves as strong favorites to win a spot in the finals and Olga described that experience when playing in the regional league.

"In Brazil, it was a bit pressured because we're kind of favorites, so you carry a bit of pressure when you have this title. But we were in a bootcamp with the team, so we were so focused and training so hard, like more than 10 hours per day."

North America is in a similar position with CLG Red, who have dominated the region themselves since the departure of the previously mentioned Dignitas. Despite having little competition for her team, di^ still has optimism about the future of her region. "The women’s scene in NA is definitely growing and going in the right direction."

The experience in Europe however, seemed to be a lot better, according to vilga. "In Europe, it's really hard to stay on top and there is constantly a lot of challenge." The Russian journey-woman praised her own region, also mentioning other teams like BIG EQUIPA and NAVI Javelins. "I really think that the European level of female CS is pretty high, and I'm really happy that Valencia gave four slots this time to Europe."

Oceania won't get a spot in Impact Season 2

The other two regions represented at the LAN finals, Oceania and South Africa, did not have leagues of their own, and instead earned spots through open qualifiers. While the turnout for most qualifiers or cash cups was very low, there was a noticeable increase in teams and players following the announcement of the circuit. In Oceania, BiBiAhn specifically saw more teams entering into the regular ESEA cups. "During the Cash Cups, some teams are actually VALORANT players, so some would come over, just play the Cash Cup."

Some of these new players are even a part of her team, with the 19-year-old explaining how some of her teammates were not just new to competing on LAN, but to CS:GO in general. "We have Laura "⁠Viscose⁠" Taylor, Emily "⁠Emiinent⁠" Rea — we picked them up from Apex [Legends]. They're sharp as hell, but the game sense may not be there."

ATK fe's Megan "⁠M3gzz⁠" van der Westhuizen noticed a similar trend in South Africa with an increase in competition. "Well, it's very small to begin with, but I think it's a pretty good scene. It's grown a lot since the past two years." She also spoke about encountering new players coming to her for advice on getting into the scene. "There's a lot of people that have messaged me to like find them teams to play in for the tournaments."

M3gzz says the South African scene has come a long way

Even though growth is more noticeable in smaller regions, players from the larger regions also noticed more players being drawn in. "We see more and more teams joining the tournaments and I've seen some teams that I've never seen before at this tournament for example." said vilga about Europe, while di^ echoed the sentiment for NA. "It’s really opened my eyes to see how many new females are getting into competitive CS."

At the very least, the Impact League has certainly seemed to result in an increase in the number of women competing in the game. However, when the circuit was announced, there were those who criticized the league, arguing that more exclusive events would make it harder for high-level mixed-gender competition in the future.

On the topic of competition that mixes men and women, many of the women competing now still see it as something to strive for in the future. "I think it’s important to always aim for more high-level mixed competition. I think that’s the whole goal, right?" says di^.

But even if that is the end goal, vilga thinks there are still ways to go before it will be a reality. "I think we're still pretty far away from getting there, because the number of players we have is just not enough. The difference in amount between male and female players is just too big."

di^ hopes that the circuit will keep attracting new players

BiBiAhn has gained a level of notability because of this topic, as she is one of the few women to play in mixed teams at a high level, having spent time playing with both Rooster 2 and munyanyo. "I never shy away from playing in mixed teams. I don't really get affected by whatever happens in those teams. Like I pretty much prefer to play mixed because they just push me to do more. Sure you get more feedback or criticism, but I feel like they know the best — I'm learning from the best."

She still believes that circuits like Impact are still important in working towards achieving the goal of regular high-level mixed-gender play, though. BiBiAhn added that it helps to give women experience in competition. "I feel like this is an integral stepping stone for women to ease themselves into the competitive process." vilga also explains that simply having more players to choose from, better players will naturally emerge. "The more players there are, the higher competitiveness there is, so the scene will be developing."

Competition is an unforgiving discipline, however. Even if new women are interested in participating in tournaments, it can still be a long and tough road to the top. di^ suggests players focus on all aspects of their game and put in the time. "My advice is always to make sure you’re putting in time and effort into the game. I’m not saying you need to play 10,000 pugs a day, but watch your demos, work on your mechanics, and focus on your comms. You will get noticed for all the hard work you put into the game, it doesn’t go unseen."

vilga, on the other hand, has pretty simple advice for newcomers to the game. "My only advice that I've had for ages is: never give up and just follow your dreams."

United States Emmalee 'EMUHLEET' Garrido
Emmalee 'EMUHLEET' Garrido
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.05
Maps played:
175
KPR:
0.70
DPR:
0.62
Russia Ksenia 'vilga' Kluenkova
Ksenia 'vilga' Kluenkova
Age:
30
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.07
Maps played:
247
KPR:
0.74
DPR:
0.67
Sweden Julia 'juliano' Kiran
Julia 'juliano' Kiran
Age:
28
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.06
Maps played:
252
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.68
Australia Laura 'Viscose' Taylor
Laura 'Viscose' Taylor
Age:
17
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.80
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.62
DPR:
0.80
Australia Emily 'Emiinent' Rea
Emily 'Emiinent' Rea
Age:
18
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.94
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.77
Sweden Zainab 'zAAz' Turkie
Zainab 'zAAz' Turkie
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
1.13
Maps played:
227
KPR:
0.79
DPR:
0.68
Brazil Olga 'Olga' Rodrigues
Olga 'Olga' Rodrigues
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
46
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.66
Australia Vivienne 'BiBiAhn' Quach
Vivienne 'BiBiAhn' Quach
Age:
19
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.93
Maps played:
45
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.73
South Africa Megan 'M3gzz' van der Westhuizen
Megan 'M3gzz' van der Westhuizen
Age:
18
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.80
Maps played:
3
KPR:
0.58
DPR:
0.75
United States Diane 'di^' Tran
Diane 'di^' Tran
Age:
27
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.08
Maps played:
201
KPR:
0.72
DPR:
0.62
#1
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Brazil MIBR_IS_BAD
yes
2022-06-17 14:28
12 replies
#194
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Germany groppler
is it really necessary and fair to have a women's league? i get the seperation of women and men in physical sports due to obvious biological reasons but honestly in esports it seems kind of over the top considering that there are nearly no body-related factors that could seperate men and women. the only difference i could think of off the top of my head would be reaction times but that alone doesn't explain the enormous skill gap. i get the idea of promoting women's sports to boost confidence through role models and idols for young women and girls but the question remains if it is really fair for the thousands of highly skilled csgo players that don't get a chance merely because they aren't women tldr: is it fair for women to have their own csgo league if there are many other, more skilled players, regardless of their gender/sex?
2022-06-17 17:34
11 replies
well, they are their own category, i'm sure there are also leagues for every country in faceit etc. why is it unfair to have a womens league too?
2022-06-17 17:42
its okay to have womans league. Ehat di said int the interview is true, I mean, whats the % of females in csgo overall? (all ranks together) I bet its like under 2% Its just statistically obvious that you will find much better top players in much bigger quantity in 98% of community then in that 2% Those womans love the game as much as we do, so let them have fun, competing like everyone else but between themselves. And as far as sponsors/orgs are willing to pay them, I dont care like, are you jelly? Even tho Ive seen just like 2-3 female matches in the entire history of csgo, I still find it like, good, for the community that we "also have womans xd" But as far as its not hurting anyone, you can either just like them/support them or be neutral. Since the toxic cocky zaaz has left us, I've seen no woman yelling "invt us on big evens omfg sexism"
2022-06-17 18:14
2 replies
Very well put comment, i totally agree with what you said!
2022-06-18 09:12
1 reply
thank you sir menss)))
2022-06-18 10:23
#220
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Canada qui9
the reason esports has so little women is because competitive gaming is a generally very male thing, and part of internet culture, which is another very male thing. it's often times very sexist as well, which is why there's no competition from women. until communities like csgo open up to women more, the disparity between male and female players at the professional level will remain large
2022-06-17 18:38
Yes, FE tournaments are almost purely funded by minority Ad Commitment marketing budget. Companies have no other way around it, they must spend that money due internal policy and csgo FE tournaments are the most profitable one. Also womans make up to 50% of the population, so tapping the woman market literally doubles the amount of people your product can reach. tldr: FE tournaments exist because they are more profitable than other things sponsors could sponsor
2022-06-17 18:57
4 replies
#232
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Canada loldougie
This simply isn't true, women who like CS:GO are probably still going to be MORE invested in the Pro scene, since it's higher quality gameplay, higher intensity, higher production quality, bigger prize pools, better storylines etc.
2022-06-17 19:51
3 replies
Explain that to sponsors who are showering money to TOs that make FE tournaments then
2022-06-17 22:40
2 replies
#271
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Canada loldougie
Do you not understand how ad revenue and marketing works? Would you rather have your ad seen by 4k people at a FE tournament or 400k people at a pro tournament? It's not WORTHLESS on the FE tournament, so people are still sponsoring (plus it's good for PR) but it's not as profitable. If you disagree, then explain how it's more profitable.
2022-06-18 22:23
1 reply
You misunderstood what i meant by "profitable". Sponsoring FE tournaments is not the most profitable marketing venture for companies, but they are the most profitable way for them to spend their D&I budget.
2022-06-19 07:24
for starters, the average female has a slower reaction time than the average male by like 20 ms or smth which is quite alot when it comes to pro cs. Secondly there is a big different between the pinnacle of tier one/two male cs vs tier one female cs in terms of revenue and prestige, maybe it is because of the skill celling between both competition but most likely because the female scene is so underdeveloped. there may be one there that there a female teams who are good enough to compete against tier one pro like that one overwatch league female pro but these tourneys are needed if we want to develop the female scene. so is it unfair? prolly not
2022-06-19 07:46
damn, good read
2022-06-17 14:28
2 replies
#17
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Denmark kaybye_
ikr, beautifully written article
2022-06-17 14:32
#245
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Canada JonZherka
+1 (I didn't read it)
2022-06-18 00:53
Nice
2022-06-17 14:28
We need MIMI back!
2022-06-17 14:28
6 replies
Indeed, and GOAT zAAz :(
2022-06-17 14:29
5 replies
#141
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Europe Mand1ng0
Retired
2022-06-17 16:03
3 replies
#168
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Serbia ;mytH
She is playing valorant bruh.
2022-06-17 16:39
2 replies
twitter.com/G2esports/status/15273031562.. she literally retired last month.
2022-06-17 17:44
#213
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Europe Mand1ng0
No
2022-06-17 18:07
And also Petra :(
2022-06-17 16:36
the one thing I want to see in a showmatch of the major is 2 hybrid teams duking it out...that'll be a lot of fun
2022-06-17 14:30
2 replies
#32
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Romania jckboom
uau, you are 'smart'
2022-06-17 14:39
1 reply
ty you too
2022-06-17 15:03
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Cyprus Porgos
Nice
2022-06-17 14:30
nice, hopefully some girls will switch from valorant too
2022-06-17 14:31
nice
2022-06-17 14:33
#28
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Asia harxDy
poggies!
2022-06-17 14:37
#31
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United Kingdom Bullitead
Nice article, still waiting on Ana’s mvp frag video though…….
2022-06-17 14:39
#35
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India gobipaneer
Oceania and south africa have a lot of younger women in the scene. That would definitely help the scene in future
2022-06-17 14:43
2 replies
gobi and paneer together bruh💀
2022-06-17 15:59
1 reply
xD
2022-06-17 19:55
Why woman dont play other tournaments , if there is no restrictions for them to take part in ?
2022-06-17 14:49
4 replies
they dont make it thru qualifiers probably
2022-06-17 15:06
1 reply
#185
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United States kami917
They don’t, they get smashed by t4 and t5 no namers
2022-06-17 17:23
becuz they cant qualify for any big events and when they take part in t2-3 events they lose to random teams. Just look at clg red liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Counter_Log..
2022-06-17 15:11
#115
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United States MrNorwood
Ah, but they do play in other tournaments where they can. For example both CLG Red and Nigma Galaxy were in their respective region's ESEA Main division this season and they do play in open qualifiers. They just never make it far enough for it to be noteworthy.
2022-06-17 15:34
#56
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Portugal beatje
Nice read
2022-06-17 14:59
C9W csgo next ?
2022-06-17 15:08
#77
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Czech Republic THE_WILLY
I'd rather watch female CS than any other esport. I still think that it would be better if girls made it into the FPL and pro teams (even T3) but if it helps to grow the scene and grow CS as a whole then I'm all for it.
2022-06-17 15:10
4 replies
I must say, female CS is very boring to watch, cause it just doesn't feel like pro CS. I think equality is good and all but i'm not going to watch something just because it is equal nor will I support someone just because they are a minority or something similar.
2022-06-17 17:50
1 reply
My take on this is that the quality doesn't have to be high for it to be interesting
2022-06-17 19:45
Nothing is prohibiting them from qualifying for FPL though?
2022-06-17 18:01
1 reply
#240
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World waltsuu
they would just get invited if they are good enough
2022-06-17 22:44
#88
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North America barosielle
this thread is going to become a nightmare. nice article though
2022-06-17 15:15
respect to fe TOs. you guys are amazing!
2022-06-17 15:17
💓 amazing
2022-06-17 15:28
GOAT ANA WILL SMASH THEM IN THE NEXT TOURNAMENT
2022-06-17 15:31
I just wish we eventually see individual female players making it into male rosters. It's very unlikely that a female roster is ever going to grind it to the top. But a talented woman could become very highly rated, why not?
2022-06-17 15:37
14 replies
The pool of young female players who grind CS every day is just so low that the chance of that happening is low as fuck.
2022-06-17 16:09
11 replies
Which is exactly why the league was formed - I've noticed a few young talents really show what they can do!
2022-06-17 17:18
10 replies
Tier 4-5 male players feel that its unfair when Female prize pools are higher than theirs while they are better at the game. Total ammont of young girls who play competitively differenet games is smaller and will be always smaller.
2022-06-17 17:40
9 replies
How do you know it will always be smaller? Please tell me
2022-06-17 19:13
8 replies
They must be a magician
2022-06-17 19:46
Just take any competitive sports and look how many girls vs small boys there are. There are just smaller amount of girls playing any sports.
2022-06-17 19:58
6 replies
First of all that isn't true at all Second of all how could you possibly think it would be acceptable to extrapolate the data (that you made up) from traditional sports into esports. Jfc
2022-06-17 23:44
5 replies
OK. Surely I made up the data. Esports and traditional sports work exactly the same way. Why shouldnt they... The poll found 57% of girls play sport outside of school or college, in comparison to 79% of boys. 45% of boys are part of a local sports team or club outside of school, whilst only 27% of girls said the same. aspire-sports.co.uk/blog/boys-more-likel..
2022-06-18 00:07
4 replies
Nice. Glad to see you've conveniently forgotten your original point was 'every sport' and now you're looking at traditional sports as a whole. "Esports and traditional sports work exactly the same way. Why shouldnt they..." and this is simply ridiculous. As much as there are indeed sweeping similarities between traditional sports and esports, the skillsets, including motor skills and cognitive skills, are vastly different. The current data on esports is too thin to suggest that men are inherently better than women. If anything, it suggests that the current trend follows that which is laid in by social stigma (ie girls play less video games), and that if there is a difference, it will be significantly reduced compared to traditional sports. This is all based off of little data, so I won't treat these as facts. I don't think we're exactly at polar opposites here, and I imagine there's a couple points we'd probably agree on
2022-06-18 02:48
3 replies
(ie girls play less video games), Exactly what I said. You would have to convince a lot of young girls to grind thousands of hours, so there could be female players on HLTVs yearly top 20 list. I am not saying that best females couldnt compete vs best males. I have met handful of women who enjoy grinding Faceit. And only 2 of them are good enough to play vs LVL10s. Males are just generally more competitive, which just means that there will be more boys who want to become next s1mple than girls. The chances are just higher. I just believe that it isnt about some social stigmas but the percentage of girls who want to compete is just lower. And Males and Females are different. We dont need to change that. And ofc there are plenty of females who enjoy competitive CS and if sponsors are willing to pay for Female CS, thats great. But pouring millions into the scene will make no difference when it comes to Females competing in Male teams. Female tournaments will just become more professional and enjoyable to watch. Nothing else.
2022-06-18 04:01
2 replies
'Males are just generally more competitive' is quite the interesting statement, seeing as it is purely based off of social stigma - the hormonal effects on neural pathways does not affect traits such as this. The idea is that encouraging more girls to compete will counter this, and get more women grinding faceit etc (I know quite a few at lvl 10 already). I also think people tend to think men and women are far more different than they are. All of our sex-based and/or gender-based traits are produced by a hormone 'cocktail'. It all just depends on what % you'll have of, say, estrogen, or luteinising hormone, or testostorone... You get the drill - even your genitals, as well as your brain, are affected by this chemical compostion at various stages of pregnancy, and the process continues in our life. So instead of seeing it as a strict binary, humans exist on more of a spectrum, with a relatively binary gender system separating us. But enough about that. Your last point states "Female tournaments will just become more professional and enjoyable to watch. Nothing else.". That's... The point? Providing an opportunity for the women's scene and players to develop, instead of it dying out? That way, we nurture more talent, which will end up showing up on the mixed circuit. In the end, I hope for there not to be any need for the Impact league because of the removal of stigma and sexism in the scene
2022-06-18 12:33
1 reply
Bullshit. Small differences between the averages produce massive differences in the extremes. There’s most likely never gonna be a female player in the top 20 and social stigma has nothing to do with it.
2022-06-18 13:23
#186
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United States kami917
You show us the woman who can compete and we’ll advocate for them
2022-06-17 17:24
1 reply
That's what this whole project is for...
2022-06-17 19:47
my woman friend is global, do you guys think she should try and get in pro team?
2022-06-17 15:50
4 replies
yes gl
2022-06-17 16:32
Global is a strong achievement, but certain regions, especially EU and SA, are very strong and all the women playing there could reach global elite if they want. However, who knows! Go tell her to give it a shot:) She might end up making her mark!
2022-06-17 17:18
2 replies
I don't think i've ever been in global game with a female playing in EU and i've played at least 50 games in global.
2022-06-17 18:51
1 reply
Many of us prefer to constantly 5stack or not use voice in order to avoid bad experiences
2022-06-17 19:14
#132
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Brazil rdswR
Damn, it's been a while since I've seen a section of HLTV with so many dumb and sexist comments from spoiled boys who can't stand to see women succeed and build a career in esports. I hope you all get banned from here Good luck to the girls and may the Women's CS GO scene grow more and more so that in the future, with a less toxic community, we can have mixed or complementary teams of women in the main tournaments
2022-06-17 15:55
1 reply
+1
2022-06-17 16:13
#133
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Portugal dracø
If they started joining open qualifiers for any random tournament like the rest of the teams that don't get invites their scene wound't be so dead.. as it stands now they either get their own tournament or they don't play at all.
2022-06-17 15:55
6 replies
Just like how major shouldn't have 2Asian teams when tere are 30 better teams in EU no matter where the team is from they should compete equally
2022-06-17 17:38
2 replies
#206
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Portugal dracø
yup, pitty spots have no place in a competitive scene
2022-06-17 17:53
I think as well on Major only best teams should play. But that is Valve. On the other hand, they don't discriminate against any group of people. They give everyone a chance. Same as any TO does but no female shows up... It is more like Valve would say ok Asia sucks We make an Asia major...
2022-06-18 10:37
Can you explain this to me? Would you be more likely to watch it or something?
2022-06-17 19:48
1 reply
#268
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Portugal dracø
Ofc. For me, the more competitive a scene is, the more likely I am to follow it. There are good teams in t2 and t3 that I follow because they have good details and the potential to climb in the scene. Those teams take their time to get their oportunities and some never manage to get there. And then this kind of tournaments come along and this FE teams are getting the chance to show themselves without having to climb up like the rest of the M teams, even tho there are no restrictions to them grinding tournaments as well. It's really unfair imo.
2022-06-18 14:16
some teams play in open qualifiers but lose to random tier 6 bots
2022-06-18 17:00
+1 Very good work from ESL!
2022-06-17 16:15
It's very interesting to watch and there are some good moments at times. Good job ESL, this is nice. ANa just smurfing though, could probably even play tier 1
2022-06-17 16:26
Some tournament organization has to come up and make a 1 spot qualifier for women only. I mean imagine a BLAST tournament with 1 spot reserved for women only team, I would like to see the results, this would make a clear statement on whether they are good enough or just getting bullied for no reason at all.
2022-06-17 16:28
3 replies
This has been done so many times and they rarely get more than 2-3 rounds per map
2022-06-17 17:12
smth like that would happen: hltv.org/matches/2346019/galaxy-racer-fe.. and these are current fe champions
2022-06-17 17:34
ESL did with female DH winner qualify for regular ESL event. The team dropped out with 0 map wins. But at least it was a fair try.
2022-06-18 10:35
GG ESL
2022-06-17 17:30
#193
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Russia mcs#
I enjoy watching women cs even though it's less skilled than men's really cool to see lans with girls, gl in Valencia Nigma Galaxy ;)
2022-06-17 17:34
The captain of Furia Fe is izaa, no?
2022-06-17 17:44
#202
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India Hikkiee
Hmm
2022-06-17 17:49
here's a summary of the core argument for people who don't feel like being gaslighted for 5 min reading this "article": the end goal is to have more high-level mixed competition. to reach that goal women need to play in a segregated, women-only league, in a "safe environment" to increase the number of female players. if that sounds like a contradiction, it's your fault. this is definitely not a ploy to steal paychecks instead of trying to get better. if you lack perspective, here's a reminder: cs women-only leagues have existed before the inception of csgo. some of the csgo dinosaurs mentioned in this article who still play to this day and compete at the "highest" level (vilga, di^) have longer cs careers than some of the top 20 players and they aren't even at t3 lvl. csgo is out for how long now? 10 years or so? in those 10 years of participation in female leagues we still have the same players at the top and they are still nowhere close to the lowest levels of male competition, nor do they try. oh well, who cares, just give it more money and a few more years, it will definitely work this time. doing the same thing expecting different results is how progress is made!
2022-06-17 18:20
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I understand what you're trying to say but I doubt that any paychecks are being stolen. I don't think we can guarantee that that money would go into csgo if it didn't go into the female scene. I'm also not sure the goal is to increase the level of female cs, I think the initial goal is to get more women into cs which is a totally different thing.
2022-06-17 19:53
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that's the biggest misconception. it's not about getting more women into cs. it's about getting women who already play cs into a competitive environment artificially because they can't make it otherwise. there is no reason to believe those leagues will somehow get women into cs. it's backwards. that being said, getting more women into cs is the best way to elevate their level. that's not what this league does no matter how many times they repeat that unsubstantiated, illogical lie.
2022-06-18 00:46
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I have a reason to believe that young women watching other women play CS and getting paid for it would get them interested. It sure as hell is better than them watching 12 men over and over. This isn't proof, but just an example. There are a lot of pros from Brazil. There are not many pros from Europe who are black. I would say one of the major differences here is that the Brazilians have had reason to be inspired by their players and it cultivated a strong player base. In Europe there are a few strong players like Refresh, but that doesn't seem to be enough to shake it up and create a bit of diversity in the scene. What do you think?
2022-06-18 08:45
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That wouldn't give still any female player on a pro-level. S1mple plays since he is 4 years old most of them started playing cs before they got 8 years old. When a girl sees with 14 "oh there is money" the things is done... she will not compete vs players that play already with 8y. And Passion wins over money in real hard competition.
2022-06-18 10:42
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The point is to inspire a female S1mple... so maybe there is a young girl out there now who says "I wanna do that". It's hard if you can't relate to any of the role models in the scene, especially at a young age. Sure, you need passion, but you also need money to live. So if it doesn't look like a realistic career, you're more likely to focus on things like school. As far as I can tell you are actually arguing my point. Young girls just aren't that interested in CS. If you want to build a female scene, they need a reason to be interested.
2022-06-18 11:08
Well maybe those two are not good enough. Not everyone can be the best. Ten years of training, even with the best facilities, won't necessarily change that. Having a long career might just be a sign that there is not enough competition in the field. Having a league with room for the female players to stand out, can help create role models that can attract new players. As has been mentioned in here before: the more players in a segment, the better the top five of that segment will be.
2022-06-18 01:48
Why do you people hate that they get paid for doing something they love in a friendly enviroment? It's not guaranteed that ESL or any other org would spend the money elsewhere so even the 'jealousy' side of things doesn't really hold. At most you should't care about women's cs and if you hate then you are unhappy with your own achievements. Choose a different hobby or an interest that can make you money and be happy.
2022-06-17 19:17
I saw some clips on YT and it seemed it was not just for the memes, so i am glad they finally made something like this league work.
2022-06-17 20:23
Watching this league is actually fun
2022-06-18 17:12
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