Vitality in market to replace misutaaa; target Spinx - Report

18-7-2022 19:51

After a disappointing early string of results, the French-Danish combine are considering making moves in the off-season.

Vitality are exploring changes to their roster after their first six months as an international lineup has failed to bear fruit, with 1pv.fr reporting that Kévin "⁠misutaaa⁠" Rabier is likely on the chopping block as the French organization eye up ENCE's Israeli superstar Lotan "⁠Spinx⁠" Giladi.

Since pivoting to an English-speaking international roster at the start of the year, Vitality have struggled to make it deep in tournaments. Although trophies weren't expected out of the gate, the additions of Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen, Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif, and Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen brought an expectation of better results than the team have had.

misutaaa may be on the way out of Vitality

After making a splash at the BLAST Premier Spring Groups to kick off the year, Vitality faltered at IEM Katowice, ESL Pro League Season 15, PGL Major Antwerp, and IEM Dallas, exiting in the group stage of all four events. Their only deep run came at the BLAST Premier Spring Final, where they managed a runner-up finish, but what followed was another early exit from IEM Cologne, marking a dismal end to the first half of the season for the international roster.

Throughout the last six months, members of the team have been vocal regarding issues with communication and their struggle to mesh the styles of the Danish and French players, and it has seemingly come to a head as the tournament break gets underway as the team are now reportedly exploring replacements for misutaaa.

zonic on coaching an international team: "Teamplay and the tactical aspects are very limited"

According to 1pv.fr, Spinx is one of Vitality's primary targets, although they are exploring other options as well as a transfer from ENCE may prove difficult. The 21-year-old Israeli rifler has turned heads over the last six months, helping ENCE briefly climb to the No. 2 spot in the world rankings by averaging a 1.17 rating on LAN since the start of the year.

Though he is not playing star roles, misutaaa has struggled to perform since Vitality transitioned to an international lineup, his LAN rating dropping from 1.01 in 2021 to 0.93 in 2022. With one month until tournament play starts again, the Frenchmen may be on the way out as Vitality feel out the market in the off-season.

Should Spinx replace misutaaa, Vitality would have:

Dan "⁠apEX⁠" Madesclaire
Mathieu "⁠ZywOo⁠" Herbaut
Peter "⁠dupreeh⁠" Rasmussen
Emil "⁠Magisk⁠" Reif
Lotan "⁠Spinx⁠" Giladi

Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen (coach)

only apex to remove now to have a top1 team

2022-07-18 19:52

90 replies

But why should Ence sell him? except Vita paying more than G2 for Niko or even Device

2022-07-18 19:52

83 replies

ence is small org and they would get shit ton of money, isnt that pretty major reason?

2022-07-18 19:57

68 replies

the real question is how much money can they make with keeping him, (Tourney Money)

2022-07-18 19:58

65 replies

ence doesnt get the money? maybe some small percentage but it goes to players almost fully

2022-07-18 19:59

58 replies

oh really? i thought that Ence get all the Tourney Money and the players just get their Salarys every month

2022-07-18 20:00

37 replies

maybe some orgs do that but i think most doesnt, especially ence because they pay already below average t1 salary

2022-07-18 20:04

19 replies

nah, every org gets 10-15% max of the prize pool

2022-07-18 20:08

18 replies

yeah thats what im saying, but these people below me says otherwise

2022-07-18 20:09

16 replies

yeah but, i mean, there's no org (except maybe dogshit orgs that have t5 teams or whatever but even there) that takes a lot of prize pool and yeah they don't have a lot of sponsors and shit

2022-07-18 20:14

Bruh it's common knowledge that prize pools are split 1/7 (5 players, 1 coach and the org) Then there's alot of tv money given to the org depending on how far they progress as in any sports. Imagine actually believing that the org doesn't earn money from tournys KEKW

2022-07-18 20:43

14 replies

already said they get small percentage?

2022-07-18 20:44

13 replies

You said they dont get money from tours and only get a small percentage of prize money, "but it almost fully goes to players". It is split even. And they also get TV money like i said

2022-07-18 21:03

12 replies

How is the prize money distributed after a tournament? “18% per player and 10% for the coach” -Q&A with Astralis’ coach ‘zonic‘ it really depends on orgs and i didnt even talk about some tv money idk why you bring that up

2022-07-18 21:06

9 replies

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that 9/10 teams still split even. Also using a 5 year old quote proves nothing kekw

2022-07-18 21:08

8 replies

even if they split even its still small percentage which i already said multiple times kekw kekw kekw

2022-07-18 21:13

4 replies

You are still missing my main fucking point which is that they are earning huge money from TV depending on how far they go in the tournament, which disproves your original statement saying that they dont earn money from tounys can you stfu now thx

2022-07-18 21:48

3 replies

Only correct comment here

2022-07-18 22:04

he talked about fucking prize money dumbass maybe go see #53 you go tell him about your tv money, not me cuz i wasnt talking about that, only prize money can you stfu now thx

2022-07-18 22:15

Holy shit you're a pussy lmao

2022-07-18 22:33

bruh what are you even arguing about. approx 15% to the org is still a small percentage. if it was above 25% to the org you could consider it a bigger percentage. the prize money being split even has nothing to do with the percentage, you could say everyone gets equally small percentage as nobody is getting a bigger percentage than others. orgs don't live off of tourney money anyways so it literally doesn't matter.

2022-07-18 21:53

Source ?

2022-07-19 06:37

1 reply

no, global offensive

2022-07-20 01:44

danish men inserting themselves where they dont belong as usual, you guys must have a really big rape problem in denmark

2022-07-18 23:55

1 reply

One could argue that seems to be a bigger problem in your country sir.

2022-07-19 14:23

Even that estimate is likely high but yeah

2022-07-18 22:30

I think its written in TO rules that the org can only take a small percent of prize money and the rest has to go direct to the players.

2022-07-18 20:04

That would be an absolute scam, no self-respecting t1 player would sign up for that.

2022-07-18 20:11

12 replies

why not? they already get 30k salaries, I also thought that money from tournaments goes to org, and players get their 20-30k salary every month.

2022-07-18 20:26

11 replies

but top teams like navi and faze can win prize money of millions in a year, 20-30k/month is tiny amount

2022-07-18 21:19

3 replies

Not really. In Cologne FaZe won something like 400k. And usually you don’t have only one team winning all big events, so you win one like this + 2 smaller, and then you have some lower placements, so let’s say you win like 1 500 000$, some of this goes to org, and the rest (1 200 000) has to be decided by 6, which is 200 000$ per year from tournaments for one player. And their salaries, 25k$ x 12 = 300k$. Salary definitely isn’t a tiny amount, especially after what ropz said in the Estonian podcast, that the tournament money is only a small bonus compared to their salaries. So either they have much higher salaries than I counted with or they get much lesser percentage from the tournaments.

2022-07-18 21:48

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Dude, orgs usually don't touch prize money. Sounds like the most retarded business model, if an org was dependant of prize money. They serve as an incentive for players to perform.

2022-07-18 21:58

if orgs take small cut lets say 10% (dunno about faze's actual cut) and faze's wins yet this year 1,6m 90% of that is 1,44m that divided by players and coach is 240k. then the salary 20k+/month its already 500k total and then there is still 4 months of the year left after player break

2022-07-18 22:13

ENCE players don't make 20-30K per month bro. Only the big orgs pay that kind of money.

2022-07-18 21:57

2 replies

how much do the players get paid in these smaller orgs?

2022-07-18 22:36

1 reply

10/20k

2022-07-18 23:16

What a retarded thing to believe.

2022-07-18 22:36

What would be the incentive for players to go deep in a tournament then?

2022-07-31 20:11

2 replies

Maybe some bonuses from org? But mostly fact that they will not get benched and they’ll keep their salaries

2022-07-31 21:32

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That would be quite the bad deal for players don't you think? Also as an org you don't want to put more unnecessary pressure onto your team

2022-07-31 22:08

orgs get max 15-20% of the prize money

2022-07-18 20:19

nope they have in contract that u get salary + this much % from tournaments winnings

2022-07-18 20:21

Most orgs give tournament winnings to players

2022-07-18 21:23

You have no clue how contracts works. This is embarrassing for you and your school

2022-07-18 20:04

2 replies

i think you're the one who doesnt have clue...

2022-07-18 20:10

??? Orgs might get a small cut from prizepools but players get the majority depending on contracts. Pretty sure theres orgs that take nothing from winnings.

2022-07-18 20:41

no they go to org in every situation and maybe 10% of that to player

2022-07-18 20:06

7 replies

that makes no sense :D

2022-07-18 20:10

6 replies

why not? Sometimes by building prodigies that cost the orgs no money almost they make a better player and then seel him. It could be for small orgs one of their biggest incoms should they find a big star. it dosent make sense that most of the money will go to the player cause then why would the org will sell him? they can just make more money WITH him.

2022-07-18 20:16

5 replies

what

2022-07-18 20:17

4 replies

as #115 said, they built a team with good players and now they can sell them for way more money then it costed them in the first place. this is how money rolles for orgs. you think the 1mil $ of buying dev1ce went all to him? you think all the 600k % of transffering monesy was for that 17 yo? it was mostly for the orgs

2022-07-18 20:22

3 replies

what are you talking about we were talking about tournament prize money distribution ??

2022-07-18 20:24

2 replies

His English is so broken even bob the builder can't fix it, actually unreadable

2022-07-18 21:13

1 reply

lool

2022-07-19 15:41

dude what are you smoking .. buyout completely goes to org.. but spinx can negotiate his new contract with vitality and ask more salary than he is getting

2022-07-18 21:22

2 replies

dude what are you smoking .. no one was talking about buyouts #41 "tourney money" ?? jesus there's lot of people who cant read

2022-07-18 21:25

true

2022-07-19 15:42

Most of it goes to org in situations where a player is bought out of his contract

2022-07-18 22:06

3 replies

#257 idk where you got that i was talking about buyouts??

2022-07-18 22:17

2 replies

oh nvm lmao blind me, never saw that text in the brackets

2022-07-18 22:20

1 reply

this conversation has been going too long, i cant keep track to where im answering

2022-07-18 22:21

no but nt, the only time players get money from a tournament is with major stickers, which is why it is a big deal

2022-07-19 14:20

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french brain

2022-07-19 17:54

Not much, they haven't won any event so far, and who knows when they will when Faze and NAVI are this strong.

2022-07-18 20:01

Not that much. This is the whole strategy from orgs like ENCE and MOUZ. Buy small, sell big.

2022-07-18 20:06

you get jackshit for winning, to monetize esport you need sponsors and to bring sponsors you need exposure which obviously means you need to win enough to be a part of biggest events but winning alone brings no interesting money for the org. g2 or even imperial seem to be monetizing esport pretty well but don't win trophies meanwhile astralis yeeted everyone for ages and never found a way to properly monetize their success.

2022-07-18 22:24

Snax cheap and just as good as Spinx so really anyone could replace Spinx in ENCE.

2022-07-19 04:05

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go snaxxxxx omnomnomnomnom to ENCE!!

2022-07-19 15:43

teams make like 90% of their money from sponsorship deals

2022-07-19 10:54

Bro ence is not actually as dmall as you think. They have a lot of sponsors in finland

2022-07-19 09:56

1 reply

it is relatively small org, not in finland but compared to the real big orgs

2022-07-19 11:55

cause they've done well with snax

2022-07-18 19:57

7 replies

But if it was a One Tourney Momentum, and they suck afterwards then they go back to T2. is it worthy?

2022-07-18 19:59

1 reply

I guess we'll see

2022-07-18 20:06

credit where credit is due, Snax played well with ENCE. However, i wouldnt take a dataset of 1 event to mean all that much.

2022-07-18 20:25

4 replies

I'd also want to keep Spinx, he's consistently their X factor and it would be a huge risk replacing him. If he wants to leave though, that's a different matter

2022-07-18 20:34

I agree with that, tho Snax does look like a capable player still. My point is that even if spinx leaves they have a good option that can work well

2022-07-18 20:44

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we all know what Snax can be capable of, before his stint with ENCE he was on a pretty significant downward spiral, though. I'm sure he'd jump at the chance to play with ENCE should Spinx get poached by Vitality, but also I think ENCE would be out of their mind, or desperate for money, to even consider letting him go whilst he's still under contract.

2022-07-18 22:37

they will struggle like hell to replace him

2022-07-18 21:00

As I called a while ago, current lineup already achieved more than was expected. Snappi is the only igl that can improve teams like G2 or Vitality, made has shown that he is a reliable teammate that is willing to do everything for his team and at the same time he is showing good numbers. Which leaves Ence in weird spot of rebuilding team almost from scratch. At this point it just makes sense to sell those that have a market and bring a new generation in.

2022-07-18 20:14

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yea basically that, they will also be able to expand the qulity of re-building a team with all that extra money making it easier to re-build. also congrats on that #2 man

2022-07-18 22:12

2 replies

thank you, but it is more L than W :)

2022-07-18 22:17

1 reply

haha thought you might feel so, like when S1mple felt its an L getting second place versus that #1, still well done better than my 582 place

2022-07-19 12:33

if its true that G2 is aiming for Snappi it could mean that spinx might be leaving aswell.

2022-07-18 21:13

clueless. ence only got him on contract untill 2023. might aswel cash in now than lose him on the free

2022-07-18 22:43

Vitality Era

2022-07-18 19:52

So you wanna ruin ence?

2022-07-18 19:55

+boombl4

2022-07-18 20:20

2022-07-19 00:48

2022-07-19 20:28

2022-07-20 20:32

Pog

2022-07-18 19:52

2 replies

BNE misutaaa ez

2022-07-18 20:13

imagine going from 8 frenchies to 2 frenchies in the team in a year - apex soon

2022-07-18 23:06

wtff

2022-07-18 19:52

15 replies

Exactly. Why would Spinx downgrade?

2022-07-18 21:04

14 replies

maybe because vitality is giving him more money????

2022-07-18 21:32

1 reply

Im not sure if its okay to say things like that.

2022-07-19 06:20

downgrade? vita is better than ence without spinx, vita is better than ence with spinx too

2022-07-19 05:51

10 replies

If they get Spinx ofc they are better than Ence, he is their best player.

2022-07-19 06:24

9 replies

so for spinx, vita with him is also a better team than ence with spinx. It must be a upgrade if he chooses vita.

2022-07-19 06:36

8 replies

Tbf Ence got to Dallas finals with Snax

2022-07-19 09:43

1 reply

Yes, so that is another factor to consider that they can be also great without spinx for Ence.

2022-07-19 10:00

Current ence > Vitality with misutaa Current ence > Vitality with spinx

2022-07-19 10:50

5 replies

You are joking mate. Vitality just beat them twice, what are you talking about.

2022-07-19 10:52

4 replies

Yeah with spinx 0.90 rating or something, nobody cares

2022-07-19 11:48

3 replies

whatever, vita is currently a better team than ence with or without spinx

2022-07-19 11:58

2 replies

Maybe against ence vitality are good, but Vitality didn’t beat a single top 10 team until Lisbon

2022-07-19 12:00

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neither did ence. Ence been awful these days. I meant if you were spinx, what would you choose. High salary and a posible brighter future with zywoo, high salary is promised at least. Vita can not beat any top 10 team because they only played against ence G2 Faze and Navi, the last two teams are way too strong, it is easily understood mate.

2022-07-19 12:04

??????? hltv.org/matches/2356640/vitality-vs-enc.. hltv.org/matches/2357127/ence-vs-vitalit..

2022-07-19 17:34

pog

2022-07-18 19:52

expected

2022-07-18 19:52

Ence +snax and let's go tier 3 :)

2022-07-18 19:52

1 reply

One step closer to polish!

2022-07-18 19:53

bad tbh

2022-07-18 19:52

wtf, what even is the logic behind this move

2022-07-18 19:52

11 replies

money

2022-07-18 20:00

Firepower. Zywoo can't carry all alone.

2022-07-18 20:01

2 replies

Sunny to ence confirmed

2022-07-18 21:05

1 reply

no not again please I beg you *edit suNny is still decent player btw

2022-07-19 04:00

They need a good clutcher, Vitality lacks clutches power since the departure of shox, only ZywOo is a good clutcher in this team, it is not enough in T1

2022-07-18 21:24

2 replies

He might be a good clutcher and brings more firepower, but i just dont see this as a logical move rolewise, who is going to take misutaaas shittiest positions, dupreeh?

2022-07-19 01:21

1 reply

If I recall, Spinx often plays anchor on ct side. For the T side I guess Dupreeh and Apex would go first

2022-07-19 03:26

firepower

2022-07-19 00:34

Replace one of the worst lurkers with a top 5 lurker. Replace a french player who barely speaks during games with a player with good comms.

2022-07-19 17:14

2 replies

they want to replace a player who plays the shittiest positions with a star player

2022-07-19 17:53

1 reply

Missutaaa doesn't play the worst postions. He plays the worst on vitality sure but on vitality both magisk and dupreeh play some shit positions on a few maps so missutaaa maybe support but he isn't as hard a support as perfecto or hell even twistzz has harder roles. And also magisk can give up lurking on the t side to spinx since he wasnt doing to good at it and magisk wasn't a lurker when he was at his best on astralis. This move is like replacing olof with ropz only missutaaa is worse than olof and spinx is worse than ropz.

2022-07-19 19:17

This would fix nothing Apex is the problem

2022-07-18 19:53

19 replies

+1 he didn't change anything is his game for 4+ years, he's the lowest rated player BY far for all of his positions which are BTW star player positions. No good team has their worst player in those positions. Also, his rating is inflated because of playing those positions

2022-07-18 20:09

5 replies

- apex + magisk igl + Spinx

2022-07-18 20:37

3 replies

I wish.

2022-07-18 20:44

+1 this would be an interesting fix for this vitality squad. The in game strategy and play style is so conflicting this project doesn't work at the moment. Apex needs to be shuffled on if they want to succeed in CS. Watching Dupree during a game says it all.

2022-07-18 21:14

+1 and 1 and 1 etc etc

2022-07-18 22:42

hltv.org/stats/teams/players/9565/vitali.. Misutaaa doesn’t perform, he’s dragging them down. It’s easier to replace him than to find a new good IGL.

2022-07-18 21:38

+1000000 Replace him with Snappi and they're top 1 for sure

2022-07-18 20:16

6 replies

Or if G2 were interested in apex they could do swap 2.0

2022-07-18 20:44

4 replies

Apex and niko hahahah

2022-07-19 02:50

3 replies

It's a match made in heaven. Now I want it to be a reality.

2022-07-19 11:02

If going for that might aswell rename the org from g2 to m2 = Mald2

2022-07-19 14:05

2 ppl alike, it could work wonders.

2022-07-19 14:20

Just get the whole roster without hades and ez majors and zywoo back to top 1

2022-07-18 21:07

no, if apex is benched in the 2 days g2 buy him 100% so no reason to kick apex

2022-07-18 20:25

4 replies

200 iq move then improve vitality and ruin G2

2022-07-18 20:48

2 replies

Lmaooo

2022-07-18 20:54

2022-07-18 23:46

destroy completely g2 roster with apex, it would be nice buyout, too big malding egos in a team, one can one man army, second one igl combo and a half

2022-07-18 22:20

English is the problem, not Apex.

2022-07-18 21:08

What...

2022-07-18 19:53

worst move ever

2022-07-18 19:53

1 reply

2022-07-18 19:57

Save zywoo for this no sense roster

2022-07-18 19:53

1 reply

+1 Man deserves better 4sure

2022-07-18 20:01

about time

2022-07-18 19:53

Spinx please don't be a greedy and take the paycheck , this money is not worth the downgrade

2022-07-18 19:54

10 replies

Ahi.. its better team. ENCE can't go number 1, Vita can..

2022-07-18 20:02

9 replies

They need to -apex +snappi and then I would agree with you , but as long as apex is there they will continue to be shitty , just like how alexi made g2 even worse than they were before , even though he had better firepower

2022-07-18 20:03

5 replies

Don't know man. It feels like snappi has been figured out already. It doesn't seem like he can bring teams to a high for longer than a month or so.

2022-07-18 20:07

4 replies

Apex is good in full french rosters , but he has proven to be clueless when it comes to international rosters. Correct me if i'm wrong , snappi played most of his carrer as an IGL for international teams and managed to take a budget team to the top 3. I think that if he will have the resources that Vitality can provide he will be able to hit a higher ceiling than he has with ENCE

2022-07-18 20:09

3 replies

Snappi has played on an international roster for 2 years (6 months on contact and since jan 2021 on ENCE). Before that it was full Danish all the time. Wouldn't be surprised if Apex needs time to adjust to both English calling and Astralis style of CS, which snappi would have to do as well. My problem with snappi is that it SEEMS to me that he can get a lot done for a smaller roster, but his style is difficult to maintain for a longer period. Maybe with the guidance of zonic it could work out, but it would still be a gamble.

2022-07-18 23:58

2 replies

Snappi was part of the international roster that heroic used to have for about 1.5 years

2022-07-19 01:38

1 reply

You mean the international roster with MODDII? That wasn't really international. One Swede on an otherwise full Danish roster. They were speaking Danish, which in practice makes it a full Danish roster.

2022-07-19 08:25

I think otherwise. Now international Vitality roster clearly lost advantage and ENCE have made structure , Imagine release best/competence player in roster... even -hades +mantuu is better thought. I cant agree with any roster changes on ENCE right now

2022-07-19 04:05

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Money grab.. everything about the world is money, if the org doesn't belive that their team might be able to defeat Faze / Navi they won't ressist selling a player. ENCE is an org without a lot of bank, money grab is a great option.

2022-07-19 09:03

1 reply

but getting money with keeping losing is actual pain... just my thougt

2022-07-20 06:44

MISUTAAAAA NOT THE PROBLEM

2022-07-18 19:54

1 reply

+1 luck of combination is problem

2022-07-19 04:06

Don't think it's the right move, but a move is better than no move at this point

2022-07-18 19:54

ence new polish squad incoming?

2022-07-18 19:54

3 replies

then downgrade to tier 3, the curse is still here

2022-07-18 21:57

2 replies

bro is so pessimistic

2022-07-18 22:04

1 reply

The best looking polish team on paper - Wisla Krakow just disbanded. I have no hope anymore

2022-07-18 22:18

Apex won't understand a single word said with spinx's accent 💀

2022-07-18 19:54

5 replies

lol yea he is sometimes rapping not to even talk about his lisp, i actually thought about how the french players will adpat to that

2022-07-18 20:29

how dare you make thun of hith lithp

2022-07-18 20:44

2 replies

lmao :D

2022-07-18 21:58

kkkkkkkkkkkkk

2022-07-18 22:08

He looks and sounds like the Simpsons character lol

2022-07-18 21:18

anyone who thinks ence is going to sell spinx considering how good they are right now is an idiot. no chance he moves anywhere.

2022-07-18 19:54

21 replies

its not that simple...depends on how spinxs contract looks like. he can easily have buy out clause with the exact number and if vitality will be willing to pay it and spinx would want to join there is nothing ence can do to stop this trade(hypothetically ofc). or he could do niko/cold move and just bench himself to force that trade(again, hypothetically)

2022-07-18 19:59

18 replies

well there is always the part where he has to sign the contract, if he doesnt want to go to vita nobody can force him

2022-07-18 20:06

17 replies

Ence have looked rough lately, plus this would be a chance for spinx to play on a team with Zywoo and 2 players/1 coach from the winningest team of all time. Speaking in terms of opportunity, this could be perfect for Spinx, even if he has to play bitch roles

2022-07-18 20:08

9 replies

imo he has more opportunity in ence and if they get a better awper they can easily be better than vita

2022-07-18 20:17

4 replies

Idk man, Vitality screams opportunity to me, that org is willing to try anything to build around Zywoo and can you fault it? Ence on the other hand feels like they already peaked, with or without a new awper

2022-07-18 20:20

2 replies

problem is i dont think they are willing to either kick apex and misutaa or magisk zonic and dupreeh cuz currently its 2 different styles they are trying to play and neither seems to be working out

2022-07-18 20:22

1 reply

Adding Spinx would make them an international roster, it would be an experiment right? Blend together two styles of CS to create an entirely new style. Crazy, but possibly exactly what that team needs. Zonic could make it work. Like I said to another reply, this move is a big question mark but it's far from an easy decision for Spinx

2022-07-18 20:39

+1 noone want to join unstable squad

2022-07-19 04:08

No way Spinx players bitch roles in this team, he’d be the 2nd best player. Additionally, you have to consider that performing better at tournaments is also an opportunity, which may be better served by ENCE.

2022-07-18 20:21

3 replies

Okay yeah maybe not bitch roles. Still, Vitality have incredible potential rn, picking up Spinx and going international could be exactly the kind of change they need. Still a big question mark but definitely not an easy decision to make for Spinx here

2022-07-18 20:34

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Spinx’s English is pretty inconvenient to a team that already has communication trouble, if you listen to ENCE calls. His accent is thick and if they’re struggling communicating with Magisk and Dupreeh, who are completely fluent, then I don’t think Spinx is gonna be great. He’ll shoot well sure, but I only see that as a setback for Vitality’s communication issue, which has clearly been holding back a lot of their potential. If Spinx was perfectly fluent or even had a French accent I might think it could be a good move. #159 has a list of why I think Vitality would be an overall downgrade for Spinx, and I stick by that in saying that the negatives outweigh the positives without a known amount of money added on top. Of course, with small orgs and economics the way they are today, that money could make the move happen, but I don’t see it really improving Vitality and I definitely see it destroying ENCE.

2022-07-18 21:01

They need to move apEX to bitch roles and give someone like Spinx even Dupreeh the star roles

2022-07-19 01:04

Considering ENCE's most recent results, I wouldn't be surprised if Spinx could be bought out. They might have to pay him more, but it's a decent move for him.

2022-07-18 20:09

3 replies

well if you look at it its not only ence, alot of teams are struggling and im not suprised cuz last 2 years its been online events and now coming back to full lans so alot of teams will be exhausted

2022-07-18 20:16

2 replies

The weird thing is that ENCE was good (as in top 4 good) for a couple of months, but since then haven't done much. I like snappi as a guy and IGL, but this seems to happen in a lot of his teams. He gets them to a level where they get noticed, but then people seem to figure them out and they fall off.

2022-07-19 00:01

1 reply

eh while that is true ence were already a top 10 team before this year and did really well for most of the year so idk if its that or just them being exhausted and if ence keeps this roster they could elevate and change up their game with some slow rounds

2022-07-19 00:25

ofc that if he doesnt want to go there he wont. i literally said: "if vitality will be willing to pay it and spinx would want to join"

2022-07-18 20:11

2 replies

yeah i didnt fully read it so my bad

2022-07-18 20:18

1 reply

no problem buddy:)

2022-07-18 20:19

ENCE have a point where they cannot refuse a buyout offer, the org itself is small

2022-07-18 20:07

1 reply

eh they do have the money from their esl partnership, and sticker capsules. those themselves are rumored to be a couple million per year which the org makes like 10-20% so they have enough money

2022-07-18 20:26

french cs is officialy dead

2022-07-18 19:55

2 replies

Yeah thanks g2 and vitality. Whe always have t1 french team but now with this fucking org all national team gonna die

2022-07-19 02:47

1 reply

EU is just carried by little countries like Denmark and CIS countries. Germany, France, UK are the biggest and have no scene

2022-07-19 03:16

Holy shit one user actually leaked this a week ago damn he wasn't lying

2022-07-18 19:55

2 replies

he probably made an educated guess

2022-07-18 20:25

1 reply

yeah right,educated guess that u can take best player from a team that was ranked number 2 for a good part of the year.Sure he made educated guess.

2022-07-18 22:23

pls no

2022-07-18 19:56

Seriously they think its gonna work ? xD

2022-07-18 19:56

1 reply

They're deep down in shit they don't even know what to do

2022-07-18 23:48

Though jks might turn out to be a better pick if not the equal contender

2022-07-18 19:57

what a fckin joke, they never learn btw. maybe snax to ence?

2022-07-18 19:57

1 reply

its happening

2022-07-19 11:05

ence hahahahahahaha its over for ence tier3 soon

2022-07-18 19:57

Y the fuk would he leave ence.

2022-07-18 19:57

ratio + also this would be a carreer fuckup for spinx.

2022-07-18 19:58

Ence -Spinx +Snax -Hades + Mantuu

2022-07-18 19:58

1 reply

+1 byczq

2022-07-18 20:53

yes misuta sucks,but the main problem is always their huge language barrier since they formed up.

2022-07-18 19:58

ofc they gonna blame misutaa for all their problems expected but he is not main problem

2022-07-18 19:58

bad move for player and org

2022-07-18 19:58

and no way spinx will accept for this downgrade.

2022-07-18 19:58

Hits hard for a french supporter

2022-07-18 19:58

5 replies

Yep it's just the end to french cs thanks to Neo xD Imo when it will be official they will lose a lot of supporter (include me)

2022-07-18 20:35

4 replies

New Heet fan incoming?

2022-07-18 20:45

1 reply

No, i follow ropz since the beginning of his carreer so it will be FaZe i think I like zehN a lot a too but he has no team now :(

2022-07-18 20:55

Always cheered for the french scene, and in my opionion there were other options for them. Moreover, international roster needs time and a lot of work. Vitality's ceo getting away with "i want fast results" or shit like this was hilarious. Hope misutaaa will find a decent team, had a slave role these last six months

2022-07-18 23:27

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Yep but its not to defend Neo, but he announced at the recruitment of shox and Kyojin, it will be the last full french roster and if it doesn't work, they will change to international roster, whatever happens. He just does what he said sadly. It's really a shame that he didn't just try someone else instead of kyojin (AMANEK, Hadji for example), i'm pretty sure with one of both it could worked :/

2022-07-19 13:23

about damn time, even apEX has a better rating than misutaaa and everyone knows apEX individual form is pretty bad too (not to mention his calling). Both are not tier 1 players they have maybe one good match per tournament which is clearly not good enough for an org like Vitality. Magisk and Zywoo are the only ones who deserve their spot these days :(

2022-07-18 19:59

1 reply

apex plays WAY better roles than misutaa, it's not comparable but both were terrible

2022-07-18 20:49

POG

2022-07-18 19:59

jks hello

2022-07-18 19:59

11 replies

he is trash and overrated

2022-07-18 20:01

10 replies

jks to ENCE confirmed

2022-07-18 20:03

How exactly? Convince me

2022-07-18 20:46

8 replies

He doesn’t think it, he is just afraid Ence will get jks instead of Snax lol

2022-07-18 21:06

7 replies

Bro Ence jks would make me nut

2022-07-19 06:59

No Jks fluked one tournament and thats it lol

2022-07-19 08:38

5 replies

Jks has been named a top 20 player in 2019 and 2020.

2022-07-19 09:55

4 replies

Yeah, very gud Snax was top4 2014-16 and who cares about past

2022-07-19 10:00

3 replies

That’s way longer ago. Jks was good in 2019 and 2020, joined a dumpster fire team in 2021, then as soon as he’s off of that team he plays well again. You seriously think he just forgot how to play when he joined CoL and then magically remembered when he left? He had 10 teammates in his one year at complexity and played over 25% of his games with a stand in, of course he struggled

2022-07-19 10:05

2 replies

So same can be said about snax He was god till 2018 and then struggled in PL teams to comeback in iem Dallas ence

2022-07-19 12:16

1 reply

Ok but I’m not on here calling him trash, overrated, saying he fluked Dallas, etc

2022-07-19 12:23

LOL. Vitality is stealing the best of player from ENCE. RIP.

2022-07-18 20:00

APEX STILL IN ROSTER AHAHAAH dead org

2022-07-18 20:00

POLISH ENCE INC

2022-07-18 20:01

4 replies

nope

2022-07-18 20:11

3 replies

They had better time with snax ;)

2022-07-18 20:15

2 replies

2022-07-18 21:02

true bro, iem dallas finals

2022-07-20 23:33

Zywoo apex and misutaaa are clearly not fit for international rosters Instead of going more international why not just kick Dupreeh and magisk? Get Amanek and someone from heet

2022-07-18 20:01

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Because they want results and Zywoo is currently the only French player good enough to play in a top20 team.

2022-07-18 20:25

Neo (CEO of Vitality) Said in an interview they will go international and the line up with shox and kyo will be the last full french roster. The interview was a few weeks after shox and Kyojin arrived in Vitality

2022-07-18 20:43

+100000

2022-07-18 21:06

Too much of a gamble for Spinx. Also if they have troubles with communication, how are they gonna get used to Spinx's english accent

2022-07-18 20:01

1 reply

i think the whole point is less talking more edshots👌

2022-07-19 14:43

for fucks sake, why? how is this a good idea

2022-07-18 20:01

hltv yoinking nel's report lul

2022-07-18 20:01

kick dupreeh and magisk and bring in some random french fpl players, it would be way better

2022-07-18 20:01

Kick Apex instead and make Magisk igl.

2022-07-18 20:02

2 replies

Agreed misuta ain’t the problem, apex is way to emotional

2022-07-18 20:04

1 reply

2022-07-18 23:05

pls spinx dont go there

2022-07-18 20:04

1 reply

2022-07-18 22:44

Free Zywoo, get him back to French scene !

2022-07-18 20:04

6 replies

nah as the posters in the streets of france said he will be there for 3 more years

2022-07-18 20:53

5 replies

I know it, that’s why Neo is despise by the french community !

2022-07-18 22:05

4 replies

pls we knows you don't like neo but plss don't speak for us barburo my god. we need firepower in vita, we can't change apex bc zywoo loves him ( i like him but sometime he do crazy bad stuff), i like misutaa to but it's the only player we can change atm, ton of money on dannish, we can't come back now, and no, french only is a bad idea

2022-07-19 01:23

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See any stream on 1pv, there is a clear majority of the community against neo and his vision of the team, same on twitter besides some Vitality ultra. Firepower wont resolve much thing as the team looks lost anyway since the switch to international. Vita got the 3 danes for free, Vitality didnt spend money on transfer since Shox, refused to spend some money on a real prospect instead of kyojin. I’m glad they release misutaa tbh, french cs will continue outside of Vita, just sad that Zywoo is trap in this team for years, but since he doesnt speak up he has to deal with it.

2022-07-19 10:49

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mais ??? zywoo can't win a major with french right now, there are no lineup which can do that atm, and pls stop give T2-T3 player or +27 old player, and no, yes many people don't agree with neo, but a majority is not true, just watch krl, malek viewers etc.. and honestly it's don't even matter, zywoo need people to help him, if you want to keep apex who with star player role have bad stat, you need a really good firepower ( if you want top 1 spot, not top 3-5 like old lineup), look karrigan, 0,91 with good player, old navi with bombl4 with 0,90, when you have 2 or more player with 0,90 rating it's too difficult to reach top 1, Because in the end, neo doesen't want a good team, but a Top 1 team, so we need to go inter to save zywoo

2022-07-19 12:19

just can you give me the lineup to reach top 1 atm with french only ?

2022-07-19 12:20

1) That's quite a downgrade for spinx 2) ENCE is selling core players? I mean... what? That would make only sense if they try to make polish superteam with snax mantuu or some crazy stuff like that...

2022-07-18 20:06

3 replies

Yeah, like, nope. ENCE is also an economic organization. They can't just say "Nope, not gonna happen" if Vitality is willing to pay a boatload of money for spinx.

2022-07-18 20:12

2 replies

I haven't seen vitality splash a whole lot of cash for players lately

2022-07-18 20:35

1 reply

Sure, but spinx will cost a few pennys, I guess. But I'm not so sure about apEX staying.

2022-07-18 20:38

Botwoo barely understand english and they adding Spinx to the team XD good bait

2022-07-18 20:06

2 replies

GODWOO actually pull up a godrating agaist your fluke team

2022-07-19 01:25

1 reply

And what

2022-07-19 08:39

good move

2022-07-18 20:06

Massive upgrade, botsutaaa not ready for t1

2022-07-18 20:06

Apex and misuta playing B on Inferno is all you need to watch to understand how deep the problems are. Apex has gotta go too.

2022-07-18 20:06

3 replies

Spinx can help, it will be different

2022-07-19 00:25

2 replies

Apex has to absolutely change his roles, approach and calling.

2022-07-19 03:19

1 reply

yes i hope he will

2022-07-19 09:39

#FREEGOODWOO

2022-07-18 20:07

I like misutaaa. And i don't think misutaa was the problem in the team. With all that said, Spinx is a clear upgrade imo.

2022-07-18 20:07

Downgrade for spinx but upgrade for vitality

2022-07-18 20:08

1 reply

I don't know about that, actually. ENCE already seemed to fall apart at the end of the season.

2022-07-18 20:10

Polish Ence?

2022-07-18 20:10

4 replies

Hope not

2022-07-18 20:10

3 replies

said Romanian

2022-07-18 22:45

2 replies

Like Romanian scene ever existed

2022-07-18 23:48

Is it any Polish team in top30 right now? Dont think so

2022-07-19 09:06

Rip Ence

2022-07-18 20:10

So fucking sad :c

2022-07-18 20:10

what is ence thinking wtf

2022-07-18 20:11

2 replies

Smaller org getting bought out by the big sharks, tbh I wouldn't be surprised if this leads to a major roster sell-off and re-haul. It's sad but the reality of CS:GO. Kind of like the Flames selling their guys. Vitality -misutaa +Spinx G2 -AleksiB -Jackz +Snappi +Maden You can build around Dycha and Hades or also sell off Dycha, im sure some team would love to get him.

2022-07-18 20:24

1 reply

This G2 roster holyyyyy

2022-07-18 20:49

Misutaa doesn't deserve this.. WTF!!!

2022-07-18 20:11

if this is official then ENCE are fucked

2022-07-18 20:11

Big if true, seems like ENCE will sell their star players then and remake their roster with a lower cost Polish team. If they entertain Spinx (who is the backbone of the team) then most surely Snappi will be going to G2

2022-07-18 20:12

5 replies

Even if this roster move was going to happen, why tf would they go for a Polish roster? Would make 10x more sense to try and create a Finnish lineup or just build another international one

2022-07-18 21:19

4 replies

Because they have already 2 pl players who played decent with the 3rd one (snax)

2022-07-19 08:40

3 replies

But they also have a Finnish coach who is a much more important piece of the team than either hades or dycha Also they have sponsors that aren't necessarily trying to market in Poland Also a lot of ENCE's fans are still Finnish and the org's identity is still Finnish, all the support staff are Finnish and the headquarters are in Finland. Going full Polish would alienate all the rest of the Finnish and international fans. And i might also add that they just launched an academy team and it appears that all of the players there are... yep, Finnish.

2022-07-19 08:55

2 replies

Yeah, good point, but i still think that there are more Polish than Finnish csgo fans in the world - so it could be important factor

2022-07-19 09:59

1 reply

That's definitely true, and it would be great to have a full Polish team at the top again but i just think that it would make a lot more sense if it was under a Polish org.

2022-07-19 11:20

More like hades to vita and zywoo to ENCE

2022-07-18 20:13

3 replies

+1 lol

2022-07-18 20:15

Bring vitality out of top 30 and make ENCE top 1/2, nice.

2022-07-18 20:24

LMAO make this happen haha

2022-07-18 22:13

Why? Poor Misutaa

2022-07-18 20:13

-Dupreeh -Magisk -Zonic +XTQZZZ +Jackz +1 french Talent

2022-07-18 20:14

2 replies

Would be good too

2022-07-19 03:50

1 reply

far better than sticking with Int'l line-up Going intl was so wild idea and think they still paying the cost how about to add ex-LDLC guy?

2022-07-19 03:57

Poggers, this was the only change needed to the 2021 roster

2022-07-18 20:14

OMG YES YES YES YES OMG

2022-07-18 20:15

+device

2022-07-18 20:15

I think that this was also a reason why snappi flipped out recently. They needed better results badly, because great players in smaller organization tend to get bought out by bigger organizations. At some point other teams will try to get maden, too, maybe even G2.

2022-07-18 20:15

spinx market price with 1.5 yrs left on contract?

2022-07-18 20:16

What? Spinx, what doink?

2022-07-18 20:16

finally

2022-07-18 20:17

Downgrade for Spinx

2022-07-18 20:18

28 replies

not really and I can explain why

2022-07-18 20:20

27 replies

100% downgrade for Spinx What he gains: - good experience from Magisk, Dupreeh, zonic, apex - great teammate in Zywoo and maybe Magisk - (potentially) better trajectory, as Vitality seem to be on the up while ENCE are trending down. If this was a guaranteed trajectory, or if it had been more than a couple events, the this move might make sense, but this is far from clear. This would be the reason ENCE and Spinx ever agree to this move though. What he loses: - good IGL - good team structure - fluid english communication (if this wasn’t an issue, a team with Zywoo and Magisk wouldn’t be as bad as Vitality) - less ideal roles (ENCE somewhat built around Spinx, Vitality definitely won’t be) - good teammates in dycha and Maden - (likely) worse overall performance, ENCE are the 3rd best team this year and have only had a few poor results, while Vitality were abysmal for half the year before finding their footing In terms of stats this year, isn’t Spinx even better than Zywoo? He’s probably a top 5 player this year, I’m not really sure it makes sense for him to get worse roles on a worse team with worse communication and worse results. However, I understand that no matter how bad the move is it may happen anyways because money. This will hurt Spinx’s career and ruin ENCE, so I hope it doesn’t happen.

2022-07-18 20:28

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Great summary, also he's joining a team that has yet to find their groove. They just look so disconnected from eachother when they play... Only bringing firepower with one guy that isn't great at communicating (from ENCE vocals you can't mostly hear all the other guys doing the calls) and Spinx accent is really hard to understand.

2022-07-18 20:33

9 replies

I agree. This is definitely not the way to fix Vitality, at least not alone. I think IGL Apex needs to go, whether that means he just stays as a normal player or not. I don’t think he’s a bad leader, I just don’t think he’s shown that he can lead an international lineup. I actually would say Apex coming off IGL is the first move I’d make, and then removing Apex or misutaa is honestly a bit debatable, but I think Vitality need a few changes.

2022-07-18 20:58

8 replies

I'd personally remove 3 players, but yeah the bare minimum would be 2. I don't believe in international roster, FaZe being the exception but look how long it took them to reach that level. I should even say how long it took to find the right pieces. 10 years of CSGO to only have one successful international team, even in 1.6 we never had any successful international lineup going on a streak. Either go full french or full danish. This move is just copium from Vitality. The CEO is so delusional about international lineups, it hurts to see it because he's wasting ZywOo talent.

2022-07-18 21:05

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I think ENCE as an international roster is fine, #3 team for the year with a lot of high results, but I’m not sure that international is really the winning formula that G2 and Vitality hoped for. You need a really specific combo of players and I think only karrigan and Snappi have shown they can even approach the top with intl rosters. I honestly am not sure that going full Danish ever makes sense, especially if Device isn’t involved (but maybe Magisk, Dupreeh, Device, Hooxi, Zyphon would be good? Or valde and niko if available) and full French was alright but not significantly different based on last year (are there even enough good French players left?). I understand what u mean tho, I think they kinda half-assed the international lineup thing by keeping half French players and getting half Danish instead of actually taking the best available talent from all over Europe. I feel like Dupreeh, Magisk, and especially Zywoo are just way worse than they would be in different lineups, and maybe international isn’t right for Zywoo if he’s having trouble communicating. Idk what 3rd change I would make, but maybe u have a better idea.

2022-07-18 21:14

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If I was Vitality I would have made the move earlier, getting nicoodoz, roeJ & Snappi. Now I'd go for Zyphon, Snappi/HooXi & valde/dev1ce (they can afford getting him). Make Magisk a star with Zyphon & dev1ce. This would already work better with them communicating in danish. If you're still stubborn to have an international lineup (as their CEO is), then remove everyone except ZywOo & Magisk, even remove zonic. I'd get maLeK or sAw as a coach and then : Adding Spinx, dycha & Snappi. If he's willing to bet on french CS again : bodyy, ZywOo, JACKZ/Djoko, shox, afro/Exercic3/hAdji afro wasn't a primary awper he switched to it out of necessity but he's a really strong rifler. hAdji could be an option too... Or just continue to develop Exercic3 to be that 2nd star.

2022-07-18 21:42

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Yeah, I think the Danish roster could be pretty cool, if they get device especially. I do think they’re gonna try to go international all the way, but idk if it’ll get any better for them.

2022-07-18 22:11

i think its clear that the internacional vitality isnt working and in my opinion they should go back to full french roster, there are many free agents they could pick up like the players you mentioned and i would add amanek to that mix (not sure if he already join ldlc or not), the only thing that would worried me in the french scene is that they have bad relations between each other but they should figured it out. I think that magisk and dupreeh are really out of place in that team, the bigger problem is that they have a long term contract and thats the only reasson i would see for vitality to not kick them

2022-07-19 14:21

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AmaNEk is already joining LDLC, he wants to help develop the scene. And if you already have bodyy, shox & ZywOo you don't need AmaNEk. It's great to not have all the experienced guys together. Even Falcons with both NBK & AmaNEk who both are the same kind of player wouldn't be great. But yeah, people are sleeping on the talents there are in the french scene just because there are some old guards that are really hard to get. Of course, if you just pick young talents there is absolutely 0 chance they will go far. But if you activate them with a guy like shox, NBK, AmaNEk, JACKZ, apEX and to some extent kennyS, then it has potential. Diviii, Snobling, Graviti, hAdji, Maka, jeyN, afro, bodyy, Djoko, Python, Lucky, Ex3rcice, Gringo They're on the edge of getting into the tier2 but still are in tier3 because they lack experience & a guy that can mentor them.

2022-07-19 16:09

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Exacly, i think zywoo wont came baack to his prime untill he is on a full french roster, this move will only transform vitality from a flop superteam to a bigger flop. Correct me if im wrong but i dont think that the signing of dupreeh and magisk was even a choice from apex but it was from the org so it was a weird mashup from the begining since the french personalities and the danes were really diferent. I like all the players in vitality just think they are wasting their potencial and for the older player they are wasting the end of their carear but lets see whats going to happen, i hope im wrong

2022-07-20 11:30

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Yeah it was a move initiated by the org because the CEO wants to transition to international lineup to make it easier for them to get players when they need it. The players were not okay with that move but as it was already done so they basically had to deal with it. There was no tensions though, they accepted it and moved on. On paper they all agreed it was a good move, but they're aware that in game it's not working. apEX said in an interview that everyone underestimates how difficult it is to transition between always having to work in your native language and now everything is in english, to get on the same page, etc... So I get he's also critical of that move, not only to viewers who expected it to work but to the org too. He also said it was a clash of culture, even inside the game, they weren't really playing the same CS. They're all good friends at the moment, they bond very well outside the server... But in game it's still awful to watch.

2022-07-20 13:33

+1 unless they -apex +snappi , and then I think that it would be an upgrade

2022-07-18 20:39

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-misutaa -Apex +Snappi +Spinx would be a far more interesting move altogether. Then there is some sort of argument that it is an upgrade, since Zywoo>hades and its possibly debatable if dupreeh+Magisk = dycha+Maden, although I’d definitely say dycha and Maden are better so far this year. I would say that move would make Vitality better, but it would destroy ENCE, so honestly it might be even more likely since smaller orgs often like to offload whole teams at once. I don’t know if it would make Vitality better than ENCE is now , though. The English communication with Zywoo might still be an issue, although it seems like Snappi, Magisk, and dupreeh are fluent and Spinx is used to communicating CS in English. I would be excited but apprehensive about that move, and a little sad for ENCE. The current move (if it goes through) just fills me with sadness that we’re going to lose 2 teams for one that *might* be better than Vitality was before, and probably won’t be as good as ENCE was.

2022-07-18 20:56

8 replies

This move is not about making vitality a better team , but to make them a title contender , and with -misutaa -Apex +Snappi +Spinx They would be an instant top 3 team imo , especially if Zywoo will communicate well with the team.

2022-07-18 21:03

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Well, I think Vitality needs to be a much better team to make them a title contender. I think they might be top 3 depending on Zywoo’s communication, but that’s just them replacing where ENCE was before. I think the idea of Spinx/Zywoo/Magisk as a trio competing with s1mple/electronic/b1t or broky/ropz/Twistzz is cool, but I don’t know for sure if it works out that way based on Zywoo and Magisk’s form this year. I also think they could be top 3 and still not be a title contender at all, like how G2 was during NaVi’s reign last year, or how ENCE has been this year. Realistically idk if I see them taking on FaZe if they keep up this form, and I think NaVi will only get better with time so I think they have even less of a chance there.

2022-07-18 21:08

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They have a much higher ceiling than 2021 G2 or current day ENCE , not to mention that they have more firepower than FaZe and arguably Na'Vi with that lineup , but then again - with this new iteration of vitality it's all about their chemistry and communication that will determine if they're title contenders or just a really good team

2022-07-18 21:10

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I don’t think they have more firepower than FaZe or NaVi with that lineup, maybe about the same s1mple > ZyWoo > broky (maybe equal when broky is doing super well) b1t = Spinx = Twistzz (current form) electronic > ropz > magisk rain = perfecto > dupreeh (current form) Maybe if dupreeh improves and Zywoo is on form they could be on NaVi/FaZe level. I just think communication would make them way less stable than ENCE, so I guess they could have higher peaks and lower lows, might get them a title or two. But I still personally feel like they’re just kinda replacing ENCE and sitting about where ENCE/C9 are right now, better than the rest but can’t hang with the best

2022-07-18 21:18

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ropz is better than electronic more often than not firepowerwise, but you could argue for =.. But yeah imo NaVi has the most firepower, mainly because sdy is a really competent fragger, who can star maps on occasion, and it will only get better. apEX and karrigan on the other hand...

2022-07-19 03:40

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karrigan does still go off sometimes and even apex has his moments, but I feel like NaVi just has too much firepower

2022-07-19 04:39

Basically what you are saying is ENCE - hades + ZywOo = best combination possible xD

2022-07-19 03:43

1 reply

I mean, am I wrong? Maybe Magisk belongs there

2022-07-19 04:41

Yea im afraid it wont fix anything and by that just ruin his name in the proccess.

2022-07-18 22:09

4 replies

I don’t think it would ruin Spinx’s record but it would certainly be a waste, much like it is for Zywoo right now.

2022-07-18 22:12

3 replies

If SOMEHOW it ends up being the correct decision and vitality starts to look good, then it all the Misutaa was the problem spams will start and it will be AMAZING for Spinx's resume but i just doubt it will happen.

2022-07-18 22:16

2 replies

Right, fringe chance this is super good but i wouldn’t count on it

2022-07-19 00:03

I doubt it's happening as long as apEX is there derping. Seriously he has been so bad in his aiming and individual decision making I could beat TS out of him if he was in the same room as myself. Not to mention his malding/tilting ...

2022-07-19 03:37

Explain why

2022-07-18 20:32

finally, misuta doesnt deserve to be tier 1 player

2022-07-18 20:18

7 replies

what are you talking, with french roster he was second best player, they international roster destroyed everything

2022-07-18 20:33

6 replies

second best cuz apex, kyojin and rpk in team, lol (shox was better)

2022-07-18 20:46

5 replies

still they were doing good at the end of the year

2022-07-18 20:52

2 replies

just luck, that team didnt deserve to be even top 10

2022-07-18 21:01

1 reply

ok, flag checks out

2022-07-18 21:02

He have a potential bro, its not plopski level, but NIP still have him for some reason, sooo...

2022-07-18 20:52

1 reply

no, he didnt have, how u can have potential if u didnt play in any pro team

2022-07-18 21:02

Am I the only one thinking, that spinx might be a bad fit? Is he really an upgrade for misutaaa?

2022-07-18 20:21

Just make Vitality french and GREAT AGAIN. At least ENCE can go full Polish with snax and two more, I dont know the best Polish talents, I guess rallen and Michu are free?

2022-07-18 20:21

2 replies

michu? to destroy another team? XD

2022-07-18 20:22

+100000

2022-07-18 21:05

what the spinx... hes dont needed to join vitality :/ dead roster

2022-07-18 20:21

Ence.Snax ?

2022-07-18 20:21

If ence isn't stupid they won't sell spinx ENCE have a very good roster don't touch it

2022-07-18 20:23

3 replies

probably vitality buy spinx so ence cant do anything

2022-07-18 20:27

2 replies

why? Is spinx contracted to play before 2023? If ence doesn't want to sell spinx, nobody can get himl.

2022-07-19 05:50

1 reply

He probably has an buyout price that is not too high for an org like vitality

2022-07-19 10:05

Zywoo stuck with bot apex

2022-07-18 20:26

1 reply

Not for long now

2022-07-19 03:35

for sure get spinx <3

2022-07-18 20:28

Not going to fix all the problems they have, dumb move. Also misutaaa had it coming, they wanted ropz when the danes joined... And still he didn't put more hours into the game. 70hrs past two weeks before the two most important tournaments of the year before the player break lol, even I can play more than this.

2022-07-18 20:29

2 replies

French 35h x 2 Not hiring ropz from the start, or at least positionning themselves on ropz was a HUGE mistake from NEO

2022-07-19 03:34

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Yes, we did say it... It lacked firepower when they announce the international team... They could have blamef and ropz at some point. As of now, yekindar is still there... Can we offord to miss him as we missed ropz? Zywoo / spinx / yekindar / Magisk / misu-dupreeh, don't know if it would work, but it would shine at least ;)

2022-07-19 12:38

Yeah, that makes sense... misutaaa was a great talent on the old Vitality but never bloomed since going international. Spinx is a great pickup if they can manage it.

2022-07-18 20:33

I don’t feel this lineup change. At all. I think it will make ence obviously worse but vitality isn’t guaranteed to play better. Spinx would need a lot of space to perform like he does in ence right now.

2022-07-18 20:35

pls don't destroy both ence and spinx's career

2022-07-18 20:36

NEO with another 5iq move

2022-07-18 20:38

3 replies

Are you even sure he has a positive IQ?

2022-07-18 20:57

1 reply

Most dumb CEO out there, man is single-handedly destroying his own team.

2022-07-18 23:25

I'd be willing to bet it's zonic's choice this time

2022-07-19 03:32

+Snax +mantuu

2022-07-18 20:40

spinx shouldnt leave ence wtf

2022-07-18 20:44

1 reply

Yup true

2022-07-18 20:50

Oh, this would be a top3 contender for sure.. Not sure how the chemistry would go, but if Spinx would be able to make as much space as he did in Ence, Zywoo would go nuclear again..

2022-07-18 20:45

1 reply

that's what we want to see

2022-07-18 21:04

Please don't kill ENCE =(

2022-07-18 20:47

As if Vitality wasn't a weird enough combination of players to begin with

2022-07-18 20:48

no surprise. You cant win matches with Apex and Misutaa dropping 0.80 every map

2022-07-18 20:48

1 reply

+1, only one player can do that, 2 is too bad, look kariggan with faZe, bombl4 with navi etc..

2022-07-19 01:28

xi whu chinese pride again

2022-07-18 20:48

Just XDDDDDD kick misutaaa when apex is still there

2022-07-18 20:49

8 replies

I DON'T LIKE APEX but at least apex is igl and he is fragging better than botsuta.

2022-07-18 21:03

3 replies

botsuta entry, keep it in mind, also he is young, he have a lot of time to improve.

2022-07-18 21:45

whenever Vitality won was cause misuta dropped 30 bomb, that shows that IGL is not doing his job. cant depend on everyone having great game to win.

2022-07-26 12:55

1 reply

=)))))))))))) stop drinking herbal tea

2022-07-26 22:13

the only bad thing about apex is taking star roles for him

2022-07-18 21:27

3 replies

+bad calls (most important) and he make (imo) bad atmosphere in team, i mean his behavior for sure distracting the team.

2022-07-18 21:44

2 replies

The guy is willing to give up these roles, he had to take them at the time zywoo doesnt feel comfortable playing outside as seen in last match

2022-07-18 22:33

What about the number of rounds where he is going full bozo giving himself as a free frag after 10 seconds on CT ???

2022-07-19 03:30

Remove apex as well. Let magisk igl, add dycha too.

2022-07-18 20:50

ence snax

2022-07-18 20:56

dupreeh,magisk and apex washed

2022-07-18 20:58

spinx allways disappears in play-offs but ence is in very bad spot atm if they sell him then it is rip whole ence team

2022-07-18 20:59

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it doesn't matter and it will make vita to playoff anyway, and no matter how spinx disappears in play off, he is still better than misutaaa.

2022-07-19 05:11

I'd prefer Dycha he fits better but ok

2022-07-18 21:02

What a retarded decision. They clearly have issues with comms and instead of you know finding two decent french riflers they are trying to replace one of the frenchies. Kévin was solid as rock in his roles. He needs no replacement. magisk and dupreeh on the other hand? I like both a LOT but the comms in English have destroyed the team.

2022-07-18 21:04

This would destroy Ence and make Vitality a contender for sure, what a fucking roster then

2022-07-18 21:13

fake news

2022-07-18 21:18

Their problem is communication and Apex, not misutaa. This won't resolve anything

2022-07-18 21:18

Vitality -apex - misutaa +snappi +spinx G2 - Jackz +maden Ence full polish roster Dycha, hades/mantuu, siuhy igl, snax, +young good aimer maybe Sobol

2022-07-18 21:19

That would just ruin his career..

2022-07-18 21:20

Spinx don't!!! Don't ruin your career.

2022-07-18 21:20

Good for vitality

2022-07-18 21:24

a remember misitaa fanboy where is he now LMFAO

2022-07-18 21:25

POLSKA GUROM

2022-07-18 21:26

i have a better idea -hades +zywoo ez top 1

2022-07-18 21:26

1 reply

That would be a GREAT team

2022-07-19 03:27

Spinx > misuuta any day of the week but i am afraid this mix will continue dissapoint. Hopefuly i am wrong.

2022-07-18 21:26

RIP ENCE

2022-07-18 21:28

Snax is back.

2022-07-18 21:28

misuta is not the problem just go full french

2022-07-18 21:31

4 replies

i say ok the problem

2022-07-18 21:35

You have to trust that the team knows what is best for them.

2022-07-18 21:52

2 replies

So that's why they doing well...

2022-07-18 21:53

1 reply

Maybe misuta is the problem then?

2022-07-18 21:57

thanks, kids crying

2022-07-18 21:31

More firepower won't solve Vitality's problems.

2022-07-18 21:32

could have gotten yekindar for much cheaper and now by waiting on their ass they will have to pay ence a massive buyout I bet

2022-07-18 21:36

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Yeah, can't believe they passed on him only to kick misu weeks later... They should still try to get him tbh... Not sure YEK would be " much cheaper " than spinx though, maybe they tried and he was too expensive ??

2022-07-19 03:26

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i mean he is benched on VP while Spinx is playing on a top 10+ player level and his peak is even better and I believe ence extended contracts recently. yekindar wont be cheap but Spinx is just currently better. tho i guess maybe TL havent fully bought out yekindar since he was on loan. hltv.org/news/33375/ence-trio-extend-con.. contract extention article.

2022-07-19 04:10

Definitely its upgrade

2022-07-18 21:38

-misutaa +Spinx -apEx +Aleksib

2022-07-18 21:48

4 replies

It could have been really fun to see that team.

2022-07-18 21:50

1 reply

No bcuz zywoo would be unable to make a play

2022-07-18 22:34

+1111111

2022-07-18 23:44

Aleksis igl style would fit better for vitality ngl. And he doesn’t need to take the star roles like apex does. Also good english and most likely he doesn’t have a high buyout.

2022-07-19 05:14

ooof strong

2022-07-18 21:54

I think this is pretty stupid if that's team's decision and not his. Because he plays shit roles and ofc his stats dropped, meanwhile apex plays all star roles and has his rating inflated to .9 I do not think misutaaaa is the next zywoo but I think he has potential to be very solid, unlike apex who has hit his ceiling 4+ years ago and keeps playing exactly the same and costing Vitality many MANY rounds. Player playing star roles with .9 rating means they play 4v5. .9 rating in star roles is not the same as .9 rating in shit roles - it's worse, much MUCH worse.

2022-07-18 21:55

53 replies

If you think apex plays star roles you dont understand the basics of CS

2022-07-18 21:57

39 replies

connector mirage is a star player role, find me ONE worse player than him who does it? outside nuke is a star player role, who has it? apex plays all those high engagement positions and looses more than he wins, leaving his team at a huge disadvantage.

2022-07-18 22:21

25 replies

Surprinsingly enough, he couldn't answer xD

2022-07-19 03:24

24 replies

yeah, don't think one can find a mirage connector player with 0.9 rating, not even in top 100 teams.

2022-07-19 09:10

23 replies

Thats irrelevant to the conversation, one spot doesnt mean hes a star player lmfao #493

2022-07-19 09:14

22 replies

Apex is NOT a star player, I've never said that, yet he plays all star player positions. Star player positions INFLATE his stats - he's actually worse than 0.9. Let that sink in. He plays star positions and star player roles but he's not a star player, I hope we can clear that out. Star player position means he has high amount of possible duels and high responsibilities, there's no players with 0.9 rating playing those spots - only star players. Who is outside on Nuke on NaVi? Electronic, top 3 rifler ever since he started playing. On Ence it's Dycha, top tier rifler and one of 3 stars of the team. On G2 it's Niko, dare I say any arguments on why Niko is there? DO you need any other teams? And even if you don't call those "star positions" issue is teams use their best players in those positions because those positions matter. Apex has nothing on any of the players I've mentioned above, fair 1v1 duel he may win 1 out 5 vs them - but they are all orders of magnitude smarter players and far more mechanically sound. And it's not a one spot, it's almost on every map, apex plays most important positions despite being in contention for the worst player in top 30 teams. That's costing you wins. You don't win like that, not in CSGO, not in any other game, or even team sports. Best player take important high pressure positions - recipe to win for ANY competition. Show me one team in ANY sport where worst player in entire tournament played most important positions and they've won. I give you 50+ years or history of ANY sport. Cause I know there's none, possible in like tier 5 competition because of some random carry but not on top tier.

2022-07-19 15:55

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1. These roles dont inflate your stats. He takes a large amount of early duels, agreed. If he loses those duels he dies early without doing much damage. His stats arent inflated at all, if you play bad in a spot such as connector it doesnt change much, if anything he dies more than a supportive player playing B because theres way less contention for that area of the map. 2. Who is better suited to play these positions. Zywoo has all the relevant oping positions. Dupreeh and Magisk play sites together for communication purposes. And Misutaa just isnt a tier 1 level player, sorry. 3. Youre completely ignoring T side where he takes very sacrificial roles both entrying some rounds and setting up teammates with nades on others. 4. You keep going back to Nuke but actually Magisk has been the one doing aggressive outside plays when they want full control along with Zywoos help and Apex will play lower site.

2022-07-19 20:05

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1. Stats are inflated by simply having more opportunities to do things that are relevant for rating. Rating formula is flawed and apex is in best spots to farm those stats. If he wasn't there he'd be like 0.8 2. Anyone is better suited since apex is the worst player out of all top 100 teams to play those positions. By far, no one has 0.9 constant rating in such positions. Again, pointing out, better the player in those positions, better the win chances. Worst player there means automating 4v5 in like half of the rounds if not more. And no one wins much of those. 3) T side inferno would be a good example would it? Controlling banana which is one of 2 most important positions in the game alongside arch, arguably more important. 4) there are other maps as well, he plays rotators and he plays most engaging positions which NO OTHER TEAM HAS that their worst player BY FAR plays that. Cause that's automating 4v5 and it shows. Also, misutaa is not that bad as people claim him to be, he got some shit roles since the change but before that he has shown promising signs of progression. Unlike apex who hasn't changed anything in past 4+ years.

2022-07-19 23:07

19 replies

Well, you can't convince everybody. But more genrally it is a crux to find a good igl in the scene, why is it so? What should change so that more ppl want to play leader roles?

2022-07-20 12:01

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Reason for it is that many just train how to aim and with majority doing that then it becomes a social pressure to do it. Tactical aspect of the game does not matter on low levels so most people do not understand it and timings. CSGO does not do well to promote tactical aspect. That's why. But Vitality has Magisk to IGL and he calls most rounds anyway.....

2022-07-20 13:59

The position is completely irrelevant to the stats. If its a highly contested spot and you die early without getting any damage or kills it actually negatively affects your rating more because you die far more. The fact that you call T side inferno a star player position, a role where you take heaps of utility and have to sacrifice your life proves you have no understanding of basic CS fundamentals. Lying about the roles he plays and the importance they have does nothing to fix the teams issues, i dont know why you insist on pressing these blatant falsehoods. Just hater delusion i guess

2022-07-20 13:31

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Position is very much relevant to the stats, if you ignore that then we're not on the same level. Just those people looking at plopski stats going down and saying he sucks while he moved from a star to a support role and positions. Clueless bots. apex is the team's issue, he vents out on his team mates during the match, he throws important positions which you refuse to call important because you know so much about CSGO and B anchor is as important as connector player and that's why everyone's best players are in connector apart from one team. To prove your point that I am a delusional hater I offered a simple solution - find me ONE team where by far their worst player and one of 5 worst players on almost every event they play - plays most important positions and they win. Any sport, take football and attacking midfielder/striker/second striker, take playmakers in basketball, any fucking team sport and find ONE team that wins with worst player. You do not seem to understand that playing like that is not a recipe to win. But again, show me one case of a winning team with the worst player of the tournament being in key spots. Weirdly, when worst player plays key spots you loose those key spots and they are called key spots because they are a key to winning. But it's you to ignore it, I guess the flag and overwhelmingly strong French ego does not allow you to accept any criticism but I am willing to bet that Vitality will not win anything until they put a competent player in those positions.

2022-07-20 13:57

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Yeah you just dont understand basic CS concepts. If hes first contact and dies early and this is a highly contested positon hes going to have MORE deaths and a lower rating due to that. Apex does have issues hes emotional and aggressive to a fault quite often but lying about the positions he plays doesnt serve and purpose to fix those issues. "Weirdly, when worst player plays key spots you loose those key spots and they are called key spots because they are a key to winning." You named 1 map where he plays a "key spot" and in the context of vitality it makes sense. Banana is not an uncommon spot for non star players to take. Supportive players contest for banana on many different teams

2022-07-22 07:14

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for me it seems that you understand base understanding of team play, not just in CS but all over the place, classic example of a clueless bot to me. Whoever has shit players in banana inferno losses, I do not need to list you all positions apex plays - he mostly plays very important positions and is by far the worst player who does that. Reason other players contest banana is spawns (another thing you do nto seem to understand about cs), but usually it's best players like Yekindar, Niko etc - cause you need to win those spots more than you loose them in order to have a favorable round in front of you. Again, name me one team in history of sports who won stuff by having worst player in key positions. You struggle with that but you don't struggle to say apex is good enough which contradicts quite a bit. Also you justify apex being the worst player in those positions cause they are contested, like, maybe better player would win more? Cause all of them do win you more, highly contested means high skill ceiling for a position and putting lowest skill player there is a disaster. But I'm talking to a wall, Vitality cannot win 4v5 and they will keep playing 4v5 as long as apex plays those positions. It's easy to tilt him, spend 5 rounds throwing 10 flashes in his face and he's out and you are playing 5v4 the rest of the match. And any good team will capitalize on it. No one can make up for that, not even if you put zywoo, s1mple, niko and electronic in there to play 4v5 almost every round. You just can't win many of 4v5's and vitality plays a lot of those thanks to apex playing positions he's not capable of keeping up with. But I'm talking to an NPC who does not understand what it means to play to create conditions to win. Yolo into 5 angles at once is not that. Worst player playing important spots - not that. 4v5 half of the rounds without a chance to trade - not that. If Niko is in connector and Hunter is short - you can't send apex to contest that. Has to be a better player. Otherwise you loose which they do, unsurprisingly cause then they play 4v5 without a chance to trade for either of those nor did they win any control over it.

2022-07-22 09:31

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I understand the game way better than you ever will because you look at things in a vacuum, you dont consider info or positioning or strategy, just raw 1v1 duels. Thats not what CS is. Apex isnt a shit player and he doesnt have shit aim, he can win duels and he does his KPR for an IGL is among the highest, he just dies a lot afterwards due to overaggression. Him taking a duel in connector isnt an automatic 4v5 like your comments suggest and there are elements of teamplay that can recover lost duels, i.e double peeking and out rotating. Something you again fail to consider that he is in charge of which, along with the communication tactics of the team (having 2 danes and 3 french players) is why he plays a lot of these positions you consider "vital". Him taking these positions and getting info and creates space for Zywoo and Magisk. You also keep acting like Misutaa isnt a problem on the team but he clearly is, he has better positions now at least on T side with both Apex and Dupreeh entrying and doesnt clutch up nearly as much as he should. Misutaa clearly isnt comfortable in star roles and Dupreeh and Magisk play the same way they always have. What else is Apex supposed to do? Just force everyone into positons they feel less comfortable in? Again you keep spamming about 4v5s like apex has never gotten an opening kill or created space but thats simply not true. You only look at his mistakes and no hes not the best entry or the best IGL currently but hes competent and impactful for Vitality. You need to look at the game holistically, stop acting like its just a series of 1v1s that determines round outcomes, thats a clear sign you fundamentally dont understand CS especially at a high level.

2022-07-31 17:35

12 replies

You don't seem to even read my posts before answering so why would one bother talking with you. You put me in some box you have in your head and you keep having an argument with your self. Keep at it, I won't be your catalyst

2022-07-31 17:38

11 replies

I read your points fully and replied point by point if you cant see that maybe you shouldnt be on a forum. You chose to attack me and avoid the topic at hand completely thats when you know youve lost the argument. Thanks for conceding bud :)

2022-07-31 19:03

10 replies

I did not attack you once, you taking it personally is your own issue. You taking it out on me, again, your problem. You are attacking me personally for something I've never said, some may call that delusional but I'm a bit more open minded as I know how people react when they feel offended. We clearly have a different understanding of it but there is again, a delusion assuming your understanding is the best and those who do not conform to your understanding are low level people. Quite dense of a conversation we are having here, you can't manipulate me that way and since you are so densely stuck up your posterior to try to manipulate people on video game's forum it's safe to assume that conversation with you will never yield anything fruitful. bye

2022-07-31 19:19

9 replies

Blah blah deflect deflect. You dont have any counter arguments and are just constantly projecting. "classic example of a clueless bot to me." "Clueless bots." "But it's you to ignore it, I guess the flag and overwhelmingly strong French ego does not allow you to accept any criticism" Took me 10 seconds to find those and theres a lot more. But yeah you never attacked me, cute. "You are attacking me personally for something I've never said" I only attacked the things you said while you continue to call me delusional which is just beyond hypocritical and another example of how you continue to project. When you can actually formulate a proper response let me know until then you can hold this L both in this conversation and in life.

2022-07-31 20:01

8 replies

Too bad you can't read, just spew puke.... conversation leads no where when you get offended of opinions that are different than yours. At that point conversation stopped if you didn't notice so maybe try not to get offended and scared of different opinions if you want conversation to move. Cause in this convo you've done exactly that.

2022-07-31 20:04

7 replies

Oh and look yet another comment you start with an insult, yet im the one who got offended? I never got offended, i stay countering your arguments point by point i made very valid points in #644 both about the structure of the team and Apex's ability. You failed to counter any of my arguments about those topics hence you conceding and lost the argument. No hard feelings nothing more to it than that, if you have reasonable arguments let me have them. Im not offended by your arguments, just disappointed in your clear insults and then your proceeding lack of ability to even acknowledge that you made them.

2022-07-31 20:09

6 replies

It's not an insult when I tell you that thing you are doing is not the wisest thing in the world - it's your option to get insulted over it. It's called being an ideological slave or a slave to your opinion. I know I can make mistakes, but not about the worst player out of any top 50 teams and a toxic mentally unstable person who creates a toxic working conditions. No one who ever had a job in their life would love to work with apex - no one, not a single person.

2022-07-31 20:11

5 replies

Maybe cause your opinion, based on how you view the game and the way youve reacted to my comments is not of very high vaule to me i simply dont care if what you think im saying is "the wisest" when you consistently fail to make proper counterarguments. Apex is not toxic towards his team, hes a motivator. Not once have any of his current or past teammates said they disliked having him on the team and that happens very frequently in esports, with a player as passionate as him it definitely would have come up. Again you act like you have more information about the team than the players do themselves. Do you have any examples of players saying it was hard to work with apex, or that he struggles individually ? Of course not. Oh what did you call that? Being a slave to your opinion. Having an opinion that you cannot back in any relevant way.

2022-07-31 20:14

4 replies

apex is toxic towards his team mates which is reported live by Shox in HLTV itnerview, now you continue being dense. Kinda an opinion you cannot back up cause Shox ruins that for you.

2022-07-31 20:19

3 replies

Shox is an extremely sensitive player who has struggled with motivation his whole career. Pretty awful example. Again you continue to assume far more than you actually know, youre cluless about the French scene.

2022-08-14 08:05

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Apex is toxic, get over it and leave me alone. Shox said it, way apex behaves is toxic, way he lashes out is toxic and extremely hard to work with and that alongside him being the worst player otu of all players in top 50 team will in my opinion prevent vitality from ever being no1. Deal with it

2022-08-14 12:19

Keep typing delusional braindead comments just because youre mad i proved you wrong. One day youll growup

2022-08-16 18:43

apex play star positions he plays the best CT positions for a rifler, all with full freedom/rotation roles in T sides, he is generally the guy doing nades and it's also a good role and let's not forget he turns into entryfragger when it's against full ecos

2022-07-18 22:35

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Doing nades is support task though

2022-07-19 09:05

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Throwing nades is a good role, because you don't have to play the risky roles which are rushing in first and getting the infos. If your entries are successfull, you can just play an easy retake or even go chase the CT ecoing, if your entryfails you can still go for it against low hp CT and knowing their positions, or even saving and getting some exit kills

2022-07-19 13:55

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I wouldn't want star player to throw nades imo, because he has less time to train individual skill and needs to contribute more of it to learning nade lineups and Apex goes first on TT

2022-07-19 13:57

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???? he plays the best CT positions for a rifler in T, he play good ratings roles too, he's never going first except if it's against eco

2022-07-19 17:39

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He will be literally going first with acquisition of Spinx or smn else as it was plan from beggining signalised by apex and zonic, he ll still be throwing nades because i wouldn't want smn like zywoo using nades because it would turn him into avg individual with less time to practice

2022-07-19 18:07

Thats the equivalent of saying Xyp9x plays star positions cause he does nades. And Apex entries far more than xyp9x ever did. Sure on Mirage he plays connector, so what? Dupreeh and Magisk play B because its best for them to communicate and play the site and look at his other CT positions. B on Dust 2, clearly a supportive position, B rotator on Inferno, 2nd B player on Overpass. Need i go on? He doesnt play star positions Zywoo and Magisk have the best spots by far, especially on T side

2022-07-19 09:16

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lmao dude you are totally wrong and clearly don't know what you are talking about magisk play A on mirage / dupreeh short mirage: apex play window/conn = rotation positions with full freedom nuke: apex plays rotation positions with full freedom D2: apex play A rotation position with full freedom apex: he plays rotation too, starting B then rotating depending on whats happenning vertigo: he plays A rotation with full freedom inferno : B rotation, throwing misutaa into the fire Throwing nades is a good role, because you don't have to play the risky roles which are rushing in first and getting the infos. If your entries are successfull, you can just play an easy retake or even go chase the CT ecoing, if your entryfails you can still go for it against low hp CT and knowing their positions, or even saving and getting some exit kills. he does plays star positions and ur post prove you have 0 knowledge about vitality & cs

2022-07-19 13:53

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Yeah so you just decided to lie about the positions they play in order to support your argument. Thats enough for me lmao, goodbye

2022-07-19 19:59

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????????? which position is wrong? i can you link you apex's pov right now you are a delusional apex fan girl, that's sad

2022-07-19 20:03

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Nah im not, I fully agree he isnt playing well but sitting here and lying about the positions and roles he plays in an attempt to make him look even worse doesnt really serve a purpose. Hes an aggressive player, often to a fault, who isnt winning as many duels as he should be. That i agree on. But you lying about the positions he plays just doesnt serve any purpose. You keep saying "with full freedom" yet you have no idea of they dynamics and communication that occur within the team. And i love how all these hardcore apex haters just conveniently ignore that he rifle entries more than anyone else on T side. Since when have star player positions ever been dictated by your CT default lmao.

2022-07-19 23:17

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I stand by every position i stated, and you have all the vitality's demos to correct me, but hey you didn't strangely ;) Yes he plays with full freedom. He's the one allowed to make plays as a rifler most of the time, while the others are anchoring somewhere (CT side obviously). He plays the same CT positions as NiKo or electronic (and other star players) while having half their firepower. He's rarely entrying in T side, except against ecos where he turns into an entryfragger strangely

2022-07-19 23:56

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Its your claim, you can prove he plays these super important star player positions, but hey you didnt. You also didnt counter any of my arguments about the dynamics of the team. Its almost like different teams prefer different things, but again thats too complicated for you. And no he has the highest entry rate besides Zywoo which is the same for every team with a star AWPer. So clearly he doesnt only entry on ecos. Keep trying to push this false narrative tho, its really working.

2022-07-20 13:04

+1 how are people so delusional, i have the feeling most people dont watch the games not only is he playing better positions on ct, has more freedom on t than misutaa, he also does so many mistakes like noone else. him costing vitality that nuke for the playoffs vs moviestar just the latest example, there are so many maps where he literally costing them the game completely on his own, its unbelievable

2022-07-19 00:04

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yeah on nuke outside apex is peeking 5+ angles at the time for maximum chance to leave his team in a 4v5. initially I thought, oh, okay, he had a bad read or something, but he fucking kept playing like a silver bot swinging and getting rekt. I do not understand what's the plan to win if you have by far the worst player in the team playing most important positions on the map. I'm not a pro IGL but that's not how I'd try to win. Misuta has shown some great stuff before he got rekt and thrown behind everyone, even had full on tournaments where he shines. Guy has a future unlike apex, I just can't fucking understand this. Tho spinx plays those agro roles that apex plays, not 1-1 but if apex is sent back to shit roles he deserves then maybe they have a chance, still, unless misutaaa asked to be about cause he does not want to do those bitch roles - this is one of the dumbest moves.

2022-07-19 00:26

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"Misuta has shown some great stuff before he got rekt and thrown behind everyone, even had full on tournaments where he shines. Guy has a future unlike apex, I just can't fucking understand this." +1111 especially on a map like vertigo, the only map where he gets some space, hes doing alot better and often times has alot of great impact. that they are not even trying it out to give misutaaa the space, like at least on mirage just shows that apex ego is inflated like crazy "Tho spinx plays those agro roles that apex plays, not 1-1 but if apex is sent back to shit roles he deserves then maybe they have a chance, " yes, but even if apex for some unknown stupid reasons, still gets to play those spots, he is for sure the next one to go, when it isnt working out, so at least something positive

2022-07-19 00:35

Yeah, at least in the past he used to be skilled but now he can't even aim. His " IGLing " has been abysmal since he hasn't xtqqqz to tell him what to do, and don't even get me started on his brain. He has the worst game IQ/decision making I've ever seen in t1 CS. I don't even know how it is possible to have so many hours on CS and still make so many mistakes/braindead plays...

2022-07-19 03:22

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+1 how is noone going to dan and is telling, hey bro lets watch your last demo so i doesnt happen again?? because its impossible how often these stupid moves happen, its insane

2022-07-19 12:57

I agree. When they had rpk he was looking very good. His raw skill is on a very high level, all he needs is more experience. I dont think magisk is a worse igl than apex. I dont know how zonic can allow them to lose another talent. They really f*cked up with Nivera, now misuta. Vitality is a joke tbh, very sad for zywoo, he is just wasting his prime like kenny in mystik. Spinx is a good player, its not a bad move, but misuta is not the one, who has to go.

2022-07-19 02:07

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Misutaaa did so much better when he had more space, even had whole tournaments where he performed as a star rifler. Shox praised Misuta's calls and understanding that Shox is one of the best mid round callers - that's a huge thing to say. As you said and I fully agree, misuta with more experience can be a solid player in any team. Maybe he did not like these roles in Vitality and decided he wants to go, we don't know much from the inside really. apex is a low skill player who has everything thanks to their ego. That's nothing new, in every sport you have those players that are not that good but go far just because their ego gives them extra confidence. But I don't see why keep him, listening to vitality's comms videos, Magisk is calling most of the stuff anyway and is WAAAAAAY quicker to react to info than apex is.

2022-07-19 09:08

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You wont have full comms and strats on Vita video btw

2022-07-23 19:24

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Early videos with this team really have no secret strats as they don't even have strats. They also show decisions, gathering info and players who react to it. apex is choking on comms af, "AEEEEEEEEEE in window, window" just talking useless stuff, repeating what others say and using those AEEEEEEEEEEE when trying to think of the word - preventing others from communicating efficiently and even possibly hearing in game stuff cause apex is a loud dude.

2022-07-23 22:01

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i mean apex knows that comms are issues and they are working on it, not only apex has these problems zywoo also and the danes too. Sometimes also the gameplan is just split apart because danes likes different approach and different french thats why acquiring the 5th none of these nationalities might be a way to solve it.

2022-07-23 22:20

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yes, -apex +anyone would solve a lot of issues, mainly the one where apex plays high skill positions and has 0.9 rating meaning that Vitality often plays 4v5 and without any control of important positions. It's kinda easy to wonder how in hell they can win anything when every round is seemingly an uphill battle when you can't rely on holding one important position on the map. It's a huge handicap.

2022-07-23 23:18

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Apex literally wants to play dogshit pos, but no one else wanted to play these star roles in vita. Zywoo was meant to Play con on mirage and nuke outside but it seems he feels uncomfotable, the only time i remember him playing was one way smoke con or outside when Apex wanted to push. Spinx will be probably getting star roles and Apex will go to support roles which is not bad thing and no -apex might kill team entirely atm. Judging by reality if the transfer goes through Apex will be anchor on ramp and spinx will Play outside nuke, spinx will Play a con and Apex will Play B with dupreeh

2022-07-24 02:57

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I hope you are right

2022-07-24 08:07

Rip ENCE

2022-07-18 21:57

What the fuck this makes no sense? Why would ENCE accept this? I mean, i am sure snappi doesn't want it lol. Imagine if the org says "Didn't ask, lmao", then RIP ENCE.

2022-07-18 22:03

Hmm they prolly gonna get Aleksib as well…

2022-07-18 22:03

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Apex Has contract renewed to 2024

2022-07-18 22:35

noo my boy spinxxxxx

2022-07-18 22:03

I wish Spinx all the best!

2022-07-18 22:06

and snax to ence xd? ez top1

2022-07-18 22:15

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+1 przez to że snax był ustawiony u nich na cologne jako zamiennik gdyby coś ;)

2022-07-18 22:19

Hopefully not true but if so, then -apEX aswell and +Aleksib

2022-07-18 22:16

why not Snax? Jks?

2022-07-18 22:17

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1. sign spinx 2. visa issues => jks/snax standin meta 3. ????????????? 4. Profit.

2022-07-19 09:38

feel bad for ENCE but then again, they've also looked rather strong without him

2022-07-18 22:21

The -player +player posts have begun.

2022-07-18 22:22

This won't solve vitality problems and ENCE will just find a good cheap replacement player So this will definitely go through

2022-07-18 22:22

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Agree with that it won't solve Vitality's problems but I don't think Ence will find as good replacement

2022-07-19 00:54

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I don't think they will find a player as good as spinx, but there's so many talents available that can fit the team since they're a international squad, so this is a very stonks situation for ENCE, they can profit off Spinx and replace him with literally anyone willing to speak english

2022-07-19 01:45

When are they going to realize apex is the problem

2022-07-18 22:23

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After they change misutaaa and there won't be anyone left to change but apex lol

2022-07-18 22:56

Yea because hes the reason why they are that bad. Somehow he was the key player before changes...

2022-07-18 22:26

should be - apex too or just -zywoo and do whatever you want with your vitality roster

2022-07-18 22:27

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#339

2022-07-18 22:36

L for spinx

2022-07-18 22:30

vitalty just need full french roster. zywoo Shox Misutaa Nivera and a decent igl.

2022-07-18 22:33

Finally, im sorry for young misuta but he is not good enough for a top3 team

2022-07-18 22:33

Janusz Snax is back baby

2022-07-18 22:36

and snax to ence i agree

2022-07-18 22:36

BRO hltv.org/news/32941/misutaaa-i-am-a-pill..

2022-07-18 22:41

Like Misuuta is the issue lol

2022-07-18 22:42

Ence were faze beaters when they replaced spinx with snax, this is good option

2022-07-18 22:46

Man with the exception of Zywoo, vitality organization is willing to find problems and change anyone except apex like wtf

2022-07-18 22:48

why downgrade for spinx? just for money maybe cause this team will never work, save zywoo.. vitality put itself into misery with dumbass roster change all the time, looks how navi trial players ? vitality act like a amateur org

2022-07-18 22:58

Poor Xi Wu.. Imagine if he was playing in era where Ex6TenZ,apex entry,prime shox,NBK, KennyS etc played...

2022-07-18 23:02

I wonder if spinx will be as good under a different igl

2022-07-18 23:07

omg why spinx? ence with snax > ence with spinx

2022-07-18 23:10

how bout jks?

2022-07-18 23:17

WTF

2022-07-18 23:25

I guess Ence would try to get snax then. But no idea how spinx would work with current Vitality, he plays most of the positions magisk plays both T and CT...

2022-07-18 23:32

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if he plays misuta roles he will have 1.02 rating

2022-07-18 23:37

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Yeah, would be pretty stupid to kill all that talent with forcing him to play B apps on Mirage. I guess Apex would take those positions as karrigan does and either spinx or magisk would learn new ones.

2022-07-18 23:40

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Yeah i think Spinx will play outside on nuke and play connector on mirage they clearly communicated they want to swap it out. + Last game apex took other approach with him helping hold ramp on nuke with misutaaa, zywoo took his spot but he s really bad at that one and whiffed 2-3 shots

2022-07-19 14:12

Instead of returning back to 5 french roster they want international team Kekw

2022-07-18 23:32

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Name 5 t1/t2 french players who are younger than 26y Zywoo ? ? ? ?

2022-07-19 00:22

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By this logic you want t1 players to be replaced with t1 players Thats not how teams work, they can take guys from heet and falcons Hadji for example

2022-07-19 11:09

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Vitality wants trophies here and now, otherwise there was no point in signing dupreeh and magisk. Look, org have already tried 2 young french players (misutaa and kyojin), both didn't meet expectations, ofc they can try rookie for 3rd time but why waste time playing a lottery, when they can buy t1 player and start competing for titles right away ?

2022-07-19 11:18

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You see what happened when they took 2 t1 players It wont work that way

2022-07-19 11:21

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It will work that way if they pick up right players, FaZe won major because they took ropz and didn't waste time in searching young star.

2022-07-19 11:22

Makes sense to me. Misutaa paycheck stealing for too long - incredibly inconsistent. Vitality need a passive player and Spinx is the best they could get right now. And for Spinx he'll get the money he deserves for his skill. Vitality will now have a much higher peak, maybe even win a tournament, but will still be limited by Apex. He'll be the final piece to be replaced in 6months to a year.

2022-07-18 23:41

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going first to get traded you can only be inconsistent + anchor on some maps.. you can replace him with zywoo or s1mple they will have shit stats as well , not as bad offcourse but still a big drop in rating

2022-07-18 23:47

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Of course, but you still can't have as much of a drop off as misutaa. He also isn't a hardcore always in first like a JaCkz for example - you have Apex and dupreeh who are both entry at times. Misutaa has been touted as a potential second star for a long time and he's only gotten worse. He hasn't stepped up to the top level.

2022-07-19 09:20

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yes all true.. but i m not sure he is used wisely , it always felt like he was doing what no one want to do in the team even if he has the best aim with zywoo, i would not be suprised he shines in a new team like heet and reveal his potential

2022-07-19 11:05

why would spinx do this

2022-07-18 23:43

funny thing misutaa just destroyed ence in cologne on last map

2022-07-18 23:51

L Move

2022-07-18 23:57

If this move is to happen I think it would be amazing for Vitality! The team is really struggling with the opening frags as they are completely reliant on ZyWoo for the first frags. Spinx is one of the best entry players in the world right now and he would be a huge boost to the team as well as he does have valuable experience playing in an international roster. Still, it would mark the end of a French core and as a fan this would make me very sad. But I believe it is something that must be done if Vitality want to get the results and win. But again if I have to be honest, ENCE are not going to release Spinx. If it were to happen, it would have to come at a very hefty price tag to buy the Israeli rifler. Also is Spinx really going to depart his own team ever after the deep runs and results they have achieved this season? I find it very unlikely that Spinx would want to join at his own volition because you never know, ENCE might just start dominating the next season. Vitality better be prepared.

2022-07-19 00:14

feelsbad for ence. snax to come back?

2022-07-19 00:05

Nice ! Finally this bot is going away from Zywoo, Vitality wasted 2 years on him and got nothing.

2022-07-19 00:20

For everyone that says “go french” yes its good but there aren't many good french players that would fit in tier 1 scene, even if they sign hadji, bodyy or whoever, it would end up the same as for example with apex/misutaaa, they wouldn't handle the t1 scene, so spinx is an ideal choice that could definitely help

2022-07-19 00:27

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They were top3 with bot kyojin. They just had to take a 1.05 rated player and they would have been fine. Now next to go on th bench is apex and zywoo will leave in 1 or 2 years cause there will be no french player left and the team will struggle to get to top5. They are just another random international team like mouz now.

2022-07-19 02:56

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yes exaclty, that show how stupid they are to get kiojin based on some youtube hilighs while the guy never played in a team.. then the dans who haven't won anyhting since years.. this org is hopeless

2022-07-19 11:14

SPINX

2022-07-19 00:28

Was about damn time. He was never tier 1 material.

2022-07-19 00:31

just get rpk and ez top 2

2022-07-19 00:47

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based

2022-07-19 03:30

Just take players from HEET/Falcons body,lucky,djoko,maka,python...

2022-07-19 00:47

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Why would they take tier 3,5 players?

2022-07-19 09:08

Nooo don't touch my boy spinx

2022-07-19 00:50

i dont care who joins vitality, they wouldnt even make it past mouz anyway. Showed the world they are a top 5 team

2022-07-19 00:50

This team ig getting worse and worse after rpk kick.....

2022-07-19 00:51

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Kick? RPK wanted to retire for a long time

2022-07-19 01:17

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He was kicked. apex said it tens of times already.

2022-07-19 02:57

2 replies

Alright ma bad

2022-07-19 09:32

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he was kicked cause he had no motivation to play / he was about to retire anyway, just getting a bit more cash till he get kicked lmao

2022-07-19 11:11

MISUTINHA IS NOT THE PROBLEM

2022-07-19 00:59

Predictable

2022-07-19 01:16

Should sign valde

2022-07-19 02:20

Spinx god 👍🏻

2022-07-19 02:23

this is a downgrade for him.

2022-07-19 02:25

Don't downgrade spinx pls, i love ence

2022-07-19 02:43

spinx prob happy in ence, plz vitality do +FASHR and you have insane team

2022-07-19 02:53

Finally. Bye bye mr cannot reach 1.00 ratings

2022-07-19 02:57

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Indeed what a waste of time he belongs in T2. He can only frag vs bots somehow

2022-07-19 09:33

Lmao I gonna loveeee hearing the comms if this ever happened ahahahahahahaha

2022-07-19 03:10

They should have went for ropz when they could. Why not YEKINDAR instead of apEX now ? And Magisk to IGL xD

2022-07-19 03:11

wait whaaat? why would spinx play on this lineup? Ence is way more exciting. Yeah congrats, you're going to play on a washed up lineup.

2022-07-19 03:35

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i agree but the washed up line up sent back home ence last tournaments, thats the only thing they archived

2022-07-19 13:21

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2022-07-20 16:20

Just give Misutaaa his actual role and put apEX and Dupreeh/Magisk on his spot, that guy is too talented to be benched and was their 2nd best player when he was a rifler

2022-07-19 03:43

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The problem it is Apex, he did not change after a lot of years now. Indeed should be Magisk IGL and Misutaaa plays his position which does perfect. What they did it was changed Misutaaa's position and did not work. Main problem APEX he is IGL pushing all the time giving bad calls so he is the one that needs to be out.

2022-07-19 11:47

G2 Niko, Hunter, Jackzz, zywoo, apex

2022-07-19 04:13

misutaaa ruined so many chances in the past, he deserved to be gone

2022-07-19 04:39

Lets do this : spinx to vita. Snappi and maden to G2 replacing jackz and aleksib.

2022-07-19 05:27

NOOOOOOOOO, SPINX STAY IN ENCE PLSSSS

2022-07-19 06:01

-apEX +bodyy

2022-07-19 06:15

Pog ez top 3

2022-07-19 06:17

Duphreeh is the problem , not my boy mitsutaaaa.

2022-07-19 06:17

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+1 misutaa so much more valuable, also considering age. Misutaa is only getting better and better, while dupreeh is on the decline

2022-07-20 23:16

Zypoo is the new Lebron James. Always needs more help!

2022-07-19 06:22

APex = spinx better

2022-07-19 06:54

Lol they're still trying to ressurect the dead horse

2022-07-19 07:08

-apex when?

2022-07-19 07:13

Now it's up to Ence management to do everything in their control and financial capability for Spinx to stay with them. Will see if that will be enough.

2022-07-19 08:20

unfortunately i think spinx is leaving ENCE for bigger paycheck. Hope im wrong and spinx stays. Just -hades and +decent awper ( jamppi when he quits valulrant).

2022-07-19 08:32

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It's good time for Ence to sell him. His value is inflated by tournaments from a couple months ago, yet hasn't decreased that much, considering his recent drop-off. His peak was around 2-3 months, so Ence can moderate the price up, but considering the short span in which he played very well it is a risk for Vita (although even if he plays half that good he's still better than misutaaa). Seeing Ence play with snax and do well gave ence the idea that with the system they created they can slot in any decent player in that spot and make it work. As for Vita, considering who's around to be picked up, it is probably the best option. I'm sure they went to yekindar and other somewhat-free agents and this was the best outcome for them.

2022-07-19 09:08

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Frozen

2022-07-20 16:19

Apex is the problem

2022-07-19 08:32

unexpected very bold move . kick danes instead of misutaa

2022-07-19 08:37

Spinx XDD He had honeymoon run a few touenaments and he came back go being trash.

2022-07-19 08:37

Not sure if Spinx helps unless Vitality give him enough freedom, I see role clashes. ZywOo to ENCE would be sicker move :D

2022-07-19 09:23

ENCE + SNAX = TOP3 HLTV

2022-07-19 09:52

i got a better one, ence +zywoo now thats a top 1 team 4 sure

2022-07-19 10:28

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yes that would be better

2022-07-19 11:06

2022-07-19 12:18

zywoo won't perform without atleast one french player bruh.

2022-07-24 16:12

how does adding an israeli help to the already terrible comms?

2022-07-19 10:47

1 reply

tbh I dont know... but firepower wise its helping

2022-07-19 15:01

Lol

2022-07-19 11:21

???? bruh rip tier 1 french scene

2022-07-19 11:34

no spinx no i still want spinx in ENCE >:(

2022-07-19 11:45

ApeX is the problem they need a new IGL

2022-07-19 12:29

3 replies

-apex +anyone vita era

2022-07-19 12:49

More like they need an IGL tbh xD

2022-07-19 14:27

1 reply

more like they need to make 2 teams called vita.fr and vita.dn like EG hire 5 more players. ez wins for both teams.

2022-07-19 15:45

NOOO, KEVIN

2022-07-19 12:30

JKS.

2022-07-19 13:55

Contract him. I want Snax in ENCE.

2022-07-19 14:08

-spinx +yekindar or snax or aleksib or jks

2022-07-19 14:38

Reasonable, but they should have gone after YEKINDAR.

2022-07-19 14:58

hltv.org/news/33375/ence-trio-extend-con..

2022-07-19 15:21

Why would he join worse team , they are paying more but he's going to achieve nothing , 0 chemistry in that roster ...

2022-07-19 15:38

next to get benched is dupreeh, then maybe apex then slowly they will built a decent team, that might be the plan.. spinx magisk zywoo may be a solid core to build a team around

2022-07-19 16:08

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i smell vita will become denish team

2022-07-20 11:32

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Doubt it ..dans haven t won a trophee since how many years ? They would be better to get back to shox and kiojin insteed lmao . When you think about it bot kiojin has better palmares than any heroic player , he won a tier 1 lan

2022-07-20 22:51

They could’ve gone for a North American player just to fuck with it, Brehze ain’t that bad in my opinion.

2022-07-19 16:22

YOOOOOO what?!

2022-07-19 19:00

Vitality will still be bad, fuck you neo

2022-07-19 20:08

Terrible choice. They should be going with an all-French roster, not making it even more international

2022-07-19 23:32

Apex is the problem not Misutaaa

2022-07-20 00:04

Dog apex still in team,haha

2022-07-20 09:21

-apex - misutaa +Aleksib +Spinx . That sounds pretty good to me. Even i dont like vitality as a team or org Zywoo Magisk Aleksib Spinx Dupreeh

2022-07-20 12:16

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But apex is way better tan aleksib , just ask xtqz ..

2022-07-25 00:07

that sounds very Zywooo spinx magisk dupreeh apex Vitality gods

2022-07-20 12:18

they are about to fuck up ence for no good reason ffs

2022-07-20 14:42

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ENCE cant sustain themselves for a long time to begin with. They are a small org compared to these other big sharks and when the time comes, the only thing that can stop these bigger orgs from poaching ENCE players is if the players themselves refuse to move to other teams.

2022-07-20 15:01

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if I were Sphinx I'd refuse :)

2022-08-08 10:24

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yea but you arent him

2022-08-08 14:12

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but I can become

2022-08-09 10:48

make vitality great again -dupreeh -magisk +shox +amanek

2022-07-20 15:03