Valve decline ESIC's new calculation of coaching ban concessions

ESIC decided to recalculate how concessions were applied to coaching bans following two appeals, but Valve is not following suit, leaving their Major bans unchanged.

The Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC) has revealed that, as a result of successful appeals from Nicholas "⁠guerri⁠" Nogueira and Alessandro "⁠Apoka⁠" Marcucci, it has decided to make a blanket change to how ban reductions were calculated when they banned 37 coaches in September 2020 for their involvement in the use of the infamous coaching bug.

When the first ban wave came at that time, so-called "demerit points" were used to determine the length of bans based on the number of matches and rounds in which coaches were found to have experienced the bug. Concessions were then applied to those who had come forward to confess to their involvement or helped with the investigation, ranging from a 12.5% to 85% reduction of their bans.

This subsequently led Valve to issue Major bans to coaches who were involved in the use of the bug. The CS:GO developers did not take into account ESIC's ban reductions, however, banning coaches solely based on the demerit points ESIC had applied.

guerri will remain banned until after the second Major of 2023

Apoka received eight demerit points — the maximum number possible — and got banned permanently from Majors, while his ESIC sanction was reduced by 85% from 36 to 5.4 months. guerri was banned from five Majors while receiving a 60% reduction to his ban from ESIC member events, from 10 to 4 months.

Nearly two years after they were banned, the two Brazilian coaches put forward an appeal to the decision in July, which was accepted by ESIC and based on which it decided to make changes to the calculation of demerit points. According to the governing body, this was due to the Commissioner, Ian Smith, taking the view that Valve's sanctions had "distorted the intended effect of ESIC sanctions such that they were no longer proportionate nor within the scope of ESIC's intended outcome."

Instead of the original calculation which saw concessions applied after ban lengths were determined based on demerit points, the new calculation of concessions reduces demerit points directly. This means that, had this system been used and applied by Valve or if it were to be amended now after the fact, some coaches would have been banned from fewer Majors than they are now.

ESIC claims that no coach has missed more Majors than they would under the new formula, but this seems to be untrue. There are four names that would have been unbanned after just one Major — PGL Major Stockholm — according to our calculations, but that had their bans run for at least one more.

For example, Apoka and guerri should only have 2 demerit points following the adjustment, which means their Major bans would have expired after PGL Major Stockholm — the first Major to take place following the ban wave — instead of never in the former's case and after five Majors at the end of 2023 in the latter's. Similarly, Alexander "⁠ave⁠" Holdt and Robert "⁠RobbaN⁠" Dahlström should have their demerit points reduced from 3 to 2, which would have seen them unbanned after Stockholm instead of after the following Major in Antwerp.

Several other coaches who received concessions would also have their Major ban lengths changed if Valve decided to follow the new calculations, including six more whose Major bans are still in effect: Allan "⁠Rejin⁠" Petersen, Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen, Mariusz "⁠Loord⁠" Cybulski, Alexey "⁠NooK⁠" Kozlovskiy, Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia, and Erik "⁠AKIMOV⁠" Akimov.

Valve has however opted against following suit and adjusting the bans, leaving the standing lengths from their announcement in early 2021 unchanged, according to ESIC. The watchdog has asked the developers to reconsider, but a change of heart seems unlikely, given Valve's steadfast approach to their banning policy in general.

"ESIC has conveyed the results to Valve in the hope that the publisher would adjust their sanctions in line with the recalculation, but Valve's initial response indicates that they will not make that adjustment. While this is a matter for Valve, ESIC has asked Valve to reconsider their stance," the ESIC release says.

The press release came at a time when ESIC have still yet to post their full findings on the additional uses of other variants of the spectator bug. The watchdog first revealed that nearly 100 more coaches had been impacted by at least one of three variants of the bug, but only went on to suspend three due to their involvement in the then-imminent PGL Major Antwerp: Luis "⁠peacemaker⁠" Tadeu, Sergey "⁠hally⁠" Shavaev, and Rafael "⁠zakk⁠" Fernandes. peacemaker and zakk's suspensions have since been lifted.

Poland Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski
Mariusz 'Loord' Cybulski
Age:
35
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.90
Maps played:
369
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.68
Russia Erik 'AKIMOV' Akimov
Erik 'AKIMOV' Akimov
Age:
-
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.86
Maps played:
62
KPR:
0.61
DPR:
0.71
Russia Alexey 'NooK' Kozlovskiy
Alexey 'NooK' Kozlovskiy
Age:
-
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
Brazil Alessandro 'Apoka' Marcucci
Alessandro 'Apoka' Marcucci
Age:
36
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.00
Maps played:
0
KPR:
0.00
DPR:
0.00
Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Age:
31
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.81
Maps played:
1578
KPR:
0.55
DPR:
0.70
Denmark Alexander 'ave' Holdt
Alexander 'ave' Holdt
Age:
34
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.74
Maps played:
1
KPR:
0.03
DPR:
0.13
Brazil Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Age:
36
Team:
No team
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
6
KPR:
0.59
DPR:
0.63
#1
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Korea Piano
ESIC is a joke.
2022-08-05 18:35
37 replies
#13
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Mauritania CYETA
common Tate W
2022-08-05 18:36
8 replies
#15
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South America I_say_Ok
thx valve now stop giving esic any credibility
2022-08-05 18:36
7 replies
Free Apoka, he only wants to cast a major
2022-08-05 18:42
2 replies
Finnaly all heroic cheaters get what they deserve
2022-08-05 19:43
1 reply
#92
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Finland Lindeni
Yeah, hunden got banned. You're late to the party brother.
2022-08-05 20:05
#64
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Brazil Anarchybr
Im still waiting on the announcement of the other “100+ coaches” by ESIC like they said that time they banned peacemaker 3 days before the Major.
2022-08-05 19:09
#120
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Spain sary44
If it wasnt for esic the coach bug woukd have gonne unnoticed
2022-08-05 21:15
2 replies
They weren't the ones that found it.
2022-08-05 23:22
1 reply
#235
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Spain sary44
But they were the first ones to talk to valve about it, calculate sanctions and help find the coaches that did the bug. Yeah they disnt found it but thx to them it was not overlooked
2022-08-07 08:26
Clearly you didn't read the article Edit: well he changed his comment so I guess now it's a +1 from me
2022-08-05 18:47
2 replies
#21
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Korea Piano
I commented on it
2022-08-05 18:37
+1
2022-08-05 18:40
why is your comment edited?
2022-08-05 18:37
+1
2022-08-05 18:42
-1 I think Valve is overly harsh given the fact that it’s their fault their game is buggy.
2022-08-05 19:15
18 replies
Great take, we should unban and allow cheaters because it's valve's fault they are abusing the game. #fanlogic Get out of here, stay banned and GET banned by me, sent to @thorin_puragotory bye bye
2022-08-05 20:26
3 replies
we need a r/unexpectedthorin or something of the sorts for moments like this but indeed, hid take is quite bad
2022-08-05 20:32
1 reply
#123
2022-08-05 21:22
You banned him good 👍
2022-08-06 08:51
Every huge software has a bug in it and it cannot be fixed untill it is reported after it occurs. They hid it from valve after it happened when they should have reported
2022-08-06 06:27
13 replies
This article is about the length of the ban, not about ban yes or no. Try to read.
2022-08-06 06:39
11 replies
"I think Valve is overly harsh given the fact that it’s their fault their game is buggy." "This article is about the length of the ban, not about ban yes or no. Try to read." Idk how 2 of these are related to eachother. They used the bug multiple times even after knowing it exists and didn't inform valve and they should be punished according to how many times they exploited it and they are being punished accordingly, idk how its valve's fault. Also, length of ban is decided by ESIC and not valve. Now ESIC wants to go back on their decision and valve will look like clown if they decrease ban duration
2022-08-06 09:40
10 replies
You’re trolling right? #172 Someone didn’t read the article. Go waste someone else’s time, wannabe.
2022-08-06 10:56
9 replies
You're a fucking clown who just wants to shit on valve because everyone does it and you said the same fucking thing because you don't have any legit arguments.
2022-08-06 11:07
8 replies
Not really, but Valve is just amateurish, a gaming company, not a company that is a directing body of sports, and it shows. Have fun kissing their ass, idiot.
2022-08-06 11:08
7 replies
Sure, valve is ameturish but this is right thing they did among the other things they did wrong. Have fun, clown hating for no reason.
2022-08-06 11:12
6 replies
I only see one clown here, the fanboy that can’t read or properly understand shit and is just mad at me saying the truth.
2022-08-06 11:13
5 replies
LMAO, i don't care about valve. Valve is shit but you're stupid hater if you can't see that this is right thing and probably didn't even read the article.
2022-08-06 11:18
4 replies
If you think I hated, you clearly can’t read and you’re a mad person. Like I said, I’m wasting my time with idiots here. Hahaha and lol at copying my argument. You didn’t understand the article, not even now. ESIC can’t decide shit, they’re trying to be fair and Valve said nope.
2022-08-06 11:19
3 replies
Sorry, i read your comments with others above and you're actually dumb. Sorry for wasting my time.
2022-08-06 11:19
2 replies
Copy my sentence and pretend to be smart. The only one who wasted his time here is me. Gtfo kid.
2022-08-06 11:21
1 reply
#51 will be your answer.
2022-08-06 11:31
Eazen is not ready for the truth
2022-08-06 08:52
No, Apoka and Guerri are joke. Blatant cheaters.
2022-08-05 19:45
1 reply
+1 they also falsely banned half of AU
2022-08-06 05:31
#UNBANZONER
2022-08-05 21:38
at least they do something. It's better to have ESIC than no one alike
2022-08-05 21:43
#2
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Australia B_Tannen
EZ VALVE GET THE CHEATS OUT OF HERE
2022-08-05 18:34
4 replies
+1 Fuck cheaters get them out
2022-08-05 18:52
2 replies
Keep them in
2022-08-05 19:03
1 reply
Nah only allow adderall. It'll be like 90s Roidball.
2022-08-05 21:07
#202
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Djibouti TheS00s
valve based
2022-08-06 10:35
ban hacks
2022-08-05 18:34
nice good job valve
2022-08-05 18:34
4 replies
the fuck happened to three
2022-08-05 18:34
3 replies
valve is scared of the number 3
2022-08-05 19:13
2 replies
Kekw
2022-08-05 19:45
How scared?
2022-08-06 08:52
ripbozo
2022-08-05 18:34
#6
siuhy | 
Czech Republic y0fl0w
ok
2022-08-05 18:34
#8
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France iT0ms
W volvo Esic is a joke
2022-08-05 18:34
Another L for ESIC.
2022-08-05 18:34
based valve
2022-08-05 18:35
Esic losers haha cya losers
2022-08-05 18:35
#12
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Poland pix3w
W valve L esic
2022-08-05 18:35
axaxaxaxaxa
2022-08-05 18:36
Just ban cheaters for life, EZ
2022-08-05 18:37
#18
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Algeria krt54
valve giving coaches a hard lesson
2022-08-05 18:37
BASED Valve!
2022-08-05 18:37
#22
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North America minte
ESIC pls disband
2022-08-05 18:38
Lmao so many people commenting +1 Valve who don't see how Valve is the bad guy here.
2022-08-05 18:38
15 replies
valve is right
2022-08-05 18:41
only bad guy valve move was trusting ESIC in the first place
2022-08-05 18:42
So valve is the bad guy for not allowing cheaters in their majors?
2022-08-05 18:44
8 replies
#61
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India SKS_1337
why you bother with NA flags is beyond me.
2022-08-05 19:06
1 reply
expected estonia chad patience
2022-08-05 20:33
Of the over 100 banned, many of them werent banned for cheating, they were banned for "failure to report having the bug" and so coaches with 1-2 incidences of the bug happening to them for 1 round before calling a tech to reset (but didnt specifically tell TO what bug it was) are now banned multi months, years, majors. TLDR: ESIC banned a lot of coaches that werent cheating.
2022-08-05 22:11
5 replies
Lol, no. They are banned according to the severity of their use of bug. Some of them who just activated it by accident aren't even banned. Multiple majors ban is given to coaches who used it multiple times
2022-08-06 06:31
4 replies
#223
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Brazil jpauloba
No man, the guy above is correct. A few coaches were banned to not report, even if the bug happened in 1 round.
2022-08-06 16:57
Even the ones that it happened to randomly or by accident got banned. Robin for faze was banned because he had it happen to him on 1 round during a 16-1 loss. He was banned for 2 majors by valve bc esic banned him for "failure to report bug"
2022-08-06 20:34
2 replies
Are you talking about Robban?
2022-08-06 22:54
1 reply
yes, auto correct on my phone sorry, it doesnt like csgo names very much.
2022-08-07 17:03
Valve are putting them on their place, that's why people agree with their actions
2022-08-05 18:55
the bad guys are the cheaters
2022-08-05 19:03
probably because esic has bad reputation so ofc the bias of the majority will be against them CHAD VALVE
2022-08-05 19:32
FLAG AND FLAIR CHECKS OUT LMFAO -ve IQ or what ?
2022-08-06 00:22
Finally heroic will win a major
2022-08-05 18:38
1 reply
#166
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Canada firtlast
i don't think
2022-08-06 04:54
Who do they think they are, don't propose nothing and stay quiet fools
2022-08-05 18:39
#26
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United States Regit99
Plz. CSGO: -ESIC
2022-08-05 18:39
EZ Valve
2022-08-05 18:40
ESIC pretty useless even VALVE has given up with them
2022-08-05 18:40
virgin ESIC vs chad Valve
2022-08-05 18:42
1 reply
Chad volvo
2022-08-06 08:56
#FreeApoka
2022-08-05 18:43
#36
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Finland AliSabid
VALVE GIGACHAD
2022-08-05 18:43
Common ESIC L
2022-08-05 18:44
#39
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Bangladesh ImpacT_
valve did something holy shit poggers
2022-08-05 18:46
joke
2022-08-05 18:46
Esic trying to abuse the power they think they have and Valve saying no and laughing to their faces. Correct move from Valve.
2022-08-05 18:47
2 replies
+1 Loving Every Laugh - LEL
2022-08-05 20:29
+1 Esic think they bisshin but Volvo just drives right over
2022-08-06 08:57
based
2022-08-05 18:48
#43
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Serbia Ljannister
Free hally already
2022-08-05 18:51
2 replies
Is she hot?
2022-08-06 08:58
1 reply
Mycket bra mens
2022-08-06 09:43
#45
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Brazil NayxL
another L from valve
2022-08-05 18:52
#46
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United States Phamous3k
What’s the point of ESIC lol. NA match fixing bans when lol
2022-08-05 18:55
lmao at these valve fankids pls Riot buy CSGO already
2022-08-05 18:56
9 replies
#101
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Poland BAN_ANIME
imagine thinking riot would be somewhat better
2022-08-05 20:27
5 replies
not somewhat, 1000000 times better
2022-08-05 20:28
4 replies
#107
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Poland BAN_ANIME
wrong opinion
2022-08-05 20:34
#135
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Greece hekzy
Well they are doing the most horrid job with valorant so idk how you imagine it'd work for cs
2022-08-05 22:26
With their biased decisions? I don’t think so…
2022-08-06 09:32
-1
2022-08-07 13:45
The first thing Riot would do is overbuff the M249, and competitive CS would be all about buying and saving the gun. Riot is so stupid in terms of balance, they just buff random shit like "let's see what happens if I press this button", they break shit for 3 months without bothering to fix it, and when they finally do fix the thing they broke, they have already broken 2 more.
2022-08-06 08:26
2 replies
It’s called strategy
2022-08-06 08:59
sounds like hirez/evil mojo hahaha
2022-08-06 09:15
valve respect. ESIC should humble themselves and not being indecisive
2022-08-05 18:57
So many dumb comments by people who didn't even read the article
2022-08-05 18:58
From my understanding, esic wanted to recalculate their own coaching bans because they thought that valve's additional major bans for coaches were too harsh. However now valve are refusing to change them even with the recalculated system. This sucks for the coaches however makes sense because you shouldn't really go back on things already stated, and valve rarely ever does this. To me it seems like valve is saying to esic "you fucked up initially and it is wrong to change the ban durations now". They understandably don't want to let esic dictate their bans now.
2022-08-05 18:58
2 replies
+1 "makes sense because you shouldn't really go back on things already stated" a lot of people here dont understand this
2022-08-05 19:53
+1 Please explain this to others in this thread, holy.
2022-08-06 11:30
Both parties are wrong here. ESIC with their shitty investigating and overall blunders on this subject. Valve for acting so fast on shaky, not well done research. Its valves fair right to deny adjusting banns and fully understandable.
2022-08-05 18:58
4 replies
#91
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Russia Ansi
this is true. Valve is known for their rigid approach, and if you watch Mahone's analysis of peacemakers ban appeal, you'll notice how amateuristic EESIC truly is. it is a big loss for CSGO anyway you look at it.
2022-08-05 20:04
1 reply
exactly. if Valve were to listen to them, they'd lose face. which is the worst case scneario for them. It's fully understandable they refuse to change anything.
2022-08-05 22:32
Ye if esic fucked up this one valve should start wondering wether to give their word too much credibility.
2022-08-05 20:49
#168
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Portugal dracø
+1
2022-08-06 05:42
#53
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Well, this will cause some disarray...
2022-08-05 18:59
#54
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United Kingdom craZy_y0
So Apoka, guerri and other coaches which had their ESIC bans reduced heavily still largely penalized by Valve?
2022-08-05 19:02
based VALVE
2022-08-05 19:02
ESIC lmfaoooo
2022-08-05 19:03
#59
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United States zovint
The true question is, who cares?
2022-08-05 19:03
2 replies
asking real questions out here
2022-08-05 20:19
I care if this means that Valve will listen esic less the next time.
2022-08-05 22:32
#60
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Brazil dio_scuro
ESIC and Valve, both clowns!
2022-08-05 19:05
Show him whose the boss Valve
2022-08-05 19:08
ESIC moment
2022-08-05 19:08
#65
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Australia poppyxox
oh great another round of “esic sucks waaaa” with no actual explanation as to why people take this viewpoint
2022-08-05 19:10
4 replies
Because heroic players and org are still allowed to compete despite cheating in a T1 esport (and admitting to it)!
2022-08-05 19:36
don't get mad at other people because you don't pay attention
2022-08-05 21:10
1 reply
#165
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Australia poppyxox
bruh i have been doing exactly that and have had no reason to whine and moan over esic as much as everyone else has partly because i dont try and pretend i care just to sound like a hero on an internet forum, and i dont assume everything based off what is seen in the public eye unlike apparently everyone in the csgo community
2022-08-06 03:57
I dislike esic because they said over 2 years ago they were going to ban several players for match fixing in NA. The challenger league, MDL at the time, had so many teams throwing matches for money. ESIC said themselves that most of the investigations were finished and inside 2 weeks names and bans would be announced. It's been over 2 years now and nothing has been said.
2022-08-05 23:33
Both Valve and ESIC are clowns. Maybe if Valve would fix bugs instead of leaving them like a "feature" for so long, there would be no problem. I am not protecting coaches, I am just saying that Valve is equally guilty. Normal game developers need a week max to fix a bug. Valve needs a year. Garbage company
2022-08-05 19:10
5 replies
Valve has been quite quick to fix the bugs that they are aware exists, at least in recent times. Maybe they just weren't aware because nobody relevant enough bothered to inform them.
2022-08-05 22:33
4 replies
They were aware. Some coaches reported this bug to Valve and They didn't do sh!t so people keep abusing it. Even Hunden was talking about it. The thing is, CSGO for Valve was piggybank for years and it wouldn't change if not Valorant. Because of Valorant They had to hire more people that work on CS (source2). Before Valorant they had 2 people in the office
2022-08-06 01:32
3 replies
I do agree with all of what you said and they should have reacted sooner, no doubt about that. But tier 2-3-4 coaches, even multiple, might have not been relevant enough in they eyes of Valve. Maybe they thought that admins or TO's would contact them if the bug was relevant enough. But of course tier 1 relevant organisations didn't report anything because it was online problem only.
2022-08-06 02:50
2 replies
It was reported by tier1/tier2 teams. "...because it was online problem only." - it was pandemic back then so every1 cared about online because there were no lans. Like it or not but some of "CS legends" reported that to Valve and They just slept on it. I work in esports for 10 years. I know personally many PRO's, major winners and the stuff that I heard is scary. Seriously, people should be happy about Valorant because this is the only thing that pushed everything in Valve and CSGO development.
2022-08-06 09:13
1 reply
Thats true, they still took few months to fix it in year 2020. I thought you were refering to older messages, my bad.
2022-08-06 11:37
total clown show
2022-08-05 19:18
I like how Volvo pretends to be a smartass while being responsible for hosting such a thing and they were SO OUT OF TOUCH that such thing could go unnoticed by them for years. I am sad such game is in hands of such trash developer, just milking the living shit out of it with gambling features.
2022-08-05 19:19
#71
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Argentina Tegu619
ESIC 🤡
2022-08-05 19:19
Both are cringe, free my mens guerri and rejin
2022-08-05 19:23
it's more about valve trying to be professional and esic changing their decision 2784 times because they didn't research and judge everything properly in the first place, valve is just annoyed with esic's incompetency and don't care about them anymore yet still both volvo and esic are braindead most of the time
2022-08-05 19:32
I'm so confused why people shit on ESIC for the way they applied these bans, but then are praising Valve for upholding those bans as they were despite ESIC's attempts to make them more fair
2022-08-05 19:32
8 replies
Because they didn't read the article and have no idea what does it mean.
2022-08-05 20:37
agreed very confused at this
2022-08-05 22:14
We are praising the fact that Valve is capable of making its own decisions instead just following what esic tells them. The actual decision is quite irrelevant here.
2022-08-05 22:34
5 replies
+1
2022-08-05 23:35
It isn't tho. Valve should take matter on their own hands instead of blindly following ESIC then coming with "nahh, I already made the ban, look at how rigid and independent I am". ESIC's existence is already proof of valve's incompetence.
2022-08-06 08:53
3 replies
So, what you think would have been the better alternative at this moment?
2022-08-06 11:35
2 replies
"We really appreciate that the community carries our game making the maps, tournaments, 128 tick servers, the platform that we host our official games (including anti-cheat). But we think that we should do our own analyses and decisions about who is cheating in our game, and how analyze the proper punishment for them in our terms." That's miles better then taking the ESIC list of who they should ban but without considering ESIC thoughts about how their list should be interpreted regarding punishment.
2022-08-08 21:53
1 reply
Well while you are correct, do you think they could have done it like that in this point? I understand two years ago, but isn't it too late now to start taking the matter into their own hands. On other note they could have said they will take more responsibility themselves in the future.
2022-08-08 22:33
As long as Heroic as an org and the players who were on the roster when they cheated are still allowed to compete ESIC will always be a joke.
2022-08-05 19:33
1 reply
#89
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Pakistan LoOuU2
+111111111111111 My man speaking fire.
2022-08-05 20:02
#77
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Germany at0myq
tldr
2022-08-05 19:33
#78
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China RADNIKEY
Easy Volvo
2022-08-05 19:34
#83
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
Valve actually cares about the integrity of their game contrary to popular belief
2022-08-05 19:49
3 replies
#94
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Romania styl3noxe
yeah, it s a shame they don t give a shit about the player s opinion tho
2022-08-05 20:09
2 replies
#96
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
Why would they? They still make millions just by not doing anything, they only do things that can hurt the game
2022-08-05 20:12
1 reply
#98
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Romania styl3noxe
yeah, pretty much...
2022-08-05 20:17
#84
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United Kingdom Dinoblitx
common valve W
2022-08-05 19:49
#85
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Reunion fthata
rushB
2022-08-05 19:50
why esic want cheaters ??? nice job valve
2022-08-05 19:51
What a shitshow
2022-08-05 20:00
#90
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Brazil MrLucas
- intentionally causing and abusing a game bug thats clearly not part of the game and win rounds/games in a major because of it: Nah, you good, just don't do that anymore :) - Having to a randomly caused game bug ocurring during an online game and not noticing/noticing only after a certain amount of time/not knowing how to deal with it, plus no proof that you took advantage of it: Banned for life "Oh but its not about a team that I cheer for so don't care about getting more info about it, fuck the cheaters"
2022-08-05 20:04
3 replies
#158
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Brazil Maujubudo
+1 I beat those idiots didn't even look up the appeals and what really happened
2022-08-06 01:44
only real monkey believes that guy who has spent probably 10k hours in game "accidentally" triggers a bug first time in major related match
2022-08-06 07:27
1 reply
The coach bug didn't need to be triggered, it just happens randomly, even if you are AFK. Robban is version for example: RobbaN’s case, perhaps, is the most dubious. The legendary Counter-Strike 1.6 player allegedly used the bug in a match that FaZe lost 16-1 to Astralis. RobbaN said he was stuck over Train’s A bombsite and tried to reconnect a few times without success. When the match went live and he was still bugged, RobbaN said he told his team what was happening and muted his microphone to not talk during the match. “I feel this is totally unfair,” RobbaN said. “I did not ask for this advantage and tried to get rid of this view before the match started.”
2022-08-06 09:01
First valve W since removing prime for f2p players.
2022-08-05 20:05
omegakek esic irrelevant
2022-08-05 20:11
Oh wow, nobody takes ESIC seriously, shocker!
2022-08-05 20:15
#102
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Algeria Zawwy
TL:DR please!
2022-08-05 20:28
3 replies
Volvo: we ban the cheatcoaches from a couple of majors, see my list, its referring to ESICs ban list. ESIC: But Volvo please. Some of these cheaters helped review evidence of other cheaters n stuff and we reduced their penalty as they are better cheaters than the other cheaters. Pls reduce your bans for them :( Volvo: no. ESIC: Okay, we edited our list. Now you gotta reduce the major bans for cheatcoaches, haha. Volvo: no.
2022-08-05 21:19
2 replies
Casually not mentioning that the reduced penalty for some coaches was because they didn't know the bug was happening because they were behind their players and not at their PC, so they couldn't report it. And some coaches tried to fix the bug reconnecting to the server and after the game was live muted their mic to not give his team an advantage, but didn't know he had to report the bug.
2022-08-06 09:07
Give us the aftermath part. Did esic cry?
2022-08-06 09:09
The moment ESIC does something right, Valve doesn't. ffs
2022-08-05 20:36
Esic ban matchfixers.. Plz
2022-08-05 20:43
EZ4VOLVO
2022-08-05 20:54
Good. A 4 month ban for Guerri was a slap in the face to the fans and the teams that didn't cheat.
2022-08-05 21:00
7 replies
#117
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Iceland lucina
guerri didnt cheat either
2022-08-05 21:12
6 replies
sure if you stick your head in the sand and ignore the recordings of him cheating
2022-08-05 21:13
5 replies
#121
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Iceland lucina
he proved the allegations wrong
2022-08-05 21:16
4 replies
Not correct, maybe you confusing with peacemaker? All that guerri proved was that the calculations they used fucked him over more than it was supposed to. So wanted to correct calculations to not treat himself unfairly. Which change Valve didn't agree.
2022-08-05 22:40
3 replies
#142
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Iceland lucina
he showed a video showing that he wasnt on his pc when the coach bug happened youtube.com/watch?v=W0qwkRoBvwA
2022-08-05 22:55
2 replies
Some of this kind of proof got accepted. So obviously there was something that Guerri couldn't prove to be wrong. It doesn't matter if you believe in guerri being innocent.
2022-08-05 23:31
Check him pc!
2022-08-06 09:10
Who give a fuck
2022-08-05 21:12
IMO it's nice from valve to keep their punishments as they are. Its not been a minor mistake to use this bug (also repeatedly). Its very close to cheating. GTFO cheaters!
2022-08-05 21:14
Esic is a joke
2022-08-05 21:25
#126
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Brazil hugoooo
ESIC is pure cancer... the worst thing to happen in CS in a decade
2022-08-05 21:36
2 replies
What happened that was worse to CS over a decade ago?
2022-08-06 09:11
1 reply
#226
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Brazil hugoooo
CSGO being released worse than it's predecessor
2022-08-06 18:01
#FREEAPOKA
2022-08-05 21:39
Who even represent's Valve? I never see these people or hear them talk
2022-08-05 21:43
1 reply
They don't want to give out any representative names because those people could easily start to get unnecessary amount of complaints in e-mail and otherwise from unhappy players. Its just better to Valve as company be the front for everything.
2022-08-05 22:42
ESIC is a joke and Valve became a joke because listening to ESIC in the first place, now Valve are trying to amend it and becoming more of a joke in the process.
2022-08-05 22:03
3 replies
Spot on
2022-08-05 23:02
#159
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Brazil Maujubudo
+1
2022-08-06 01:44
W 😎
2022-08-06 08:44
Unlucky situation
2022-08-05 22:18
Not a day goes by without having a Brazilian being called out for cheating on HLTV. Probably just misunderstood pros…. for sure
2022-08-05 23:05
lmfao Even Gaben knows that ESIC is a joke, and decided to just give them a big fat middle finger
2022-08-05 23:18
It's already been 2years since the coach bug? Damn it went fast..
2022-08-05 23:25
2 replies
You are getting older my friend.. time speeds up!
2022-08-06 09:12
1 reply
Yea;( im 23 didnt think it would feel so fast but tbh my workdays I have so much work 10hrs feels like 3
2022-08-06 18:15
#151
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Brazil GsV
they didn't even allowed apoka to be in gaules stream at the last major, this bans are so fucking messed up now, wth
2022-08-06 00:03
Valve based
2022-08-06 00:09
BASED VALVE BASED GABEN ANOTHER EZ W FOR VOLVO
2022-08-06 00:23
#155
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CIS kuuler
who tf is ESIC and why everyone listens to them, even valve need to manually decline their rules lol
2022-08-06 01:11
#156
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Ukraine Bidus
KF cheaters. All bans should be permabans. Get rid of moral trash.
2022-08-06 01:27
#161
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Brazil _Awper
Damn hltv kids are in a new wave of low-quality Twitter baits. What happened to our great and real baiters like VeryNiceGuy, Jonji, Prokda, etc.
2022-08-06 02:50
1 reply
#162
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Brazil _Awper
It's really simple what is happening here: People got Perma banned because they didn't report the bug when most of the time they were not even on the PC as proved by both Apoka and Guerri, don't let me start with Robban's situation... ESIC was dumb at first, but now Valve is trying even harder to top ESIC...
2022-08-06 02:54
#163
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Barbados n1ss
fuck you esic shit org
2022-08-06 03:00
lol sucks to be guerri
2022-08-06 03:52
#173
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Germany who|cars
ok ,now time to wait 7-8 years until esic reveal 322 bans
2022-08-06 06:46
Good on valve, esic is too soft on cheaters
2022-08-06 08:16
1 reply
Yeah, didn’t even ban the players in heroic
2022-08-06 09:13
#192
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Lithuania ashas
Valve showing ESIC how its done KEKW
2022-08-06 09:13
They ban innocent coaches while no one cares about throwers
2022-08-06 09:51
lol
2022-08-06 10:28
what a joke
2022-08-06 12:04
NT hunden
2022-08-06 12:20
Why no more news on that tweet, with demo vid, suggesting G2 of a certain era abusing coach?
2022-08-06 13:16
any tl;dr?
2022-08-06 15:04
#222
hades | 
United States Perc
Esic = bad
2022-08-06 16:45
Common Valve W
2022-08-06 17:28
Valve haha
2022-08-06 17:35
kek
2022-08-06 18:06
#228
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Spain limonero3
these guys joking at this point
2022-08-06 18:09
Valve based
2022-08-06 18:12
valve has dumbest decision makers always so bad
2022-08-07 01:23
The problem is valve are forced to do this. If they do anything with the changes ESIC made it makes it look like ESIC is calling the shots, not Valve. Considering their history with decisions regarding CSGO, it makes them look like frauds if they unban those two coaches.
2022-08-07 02:43
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