Banned, reinstated, banned again, cleared: The HUNDEN saga summarized

The more than two-year-long Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen saga recently came to a close after the Dane got his second ESIC ban removed. Much has happened to reach this point, so here's a refresher on the entire ordeal from beginning to end.

The entire saga of HUNDEN's bans dates back to 2020, when the Dane was busted for using the coaching bug and served an eight-month sentence. It didn't end there, however, and he was once again banned from participating at ESIC-sanctioned events, this time for two years for leaking "sensitive" documents to a rival team in August 2021.

The second ban prohibiting HUNDEN from participating at ESIC events was lifted on December 2, nearly 10 months before it was due to elapse. The little information made public was that it happened "in light of a constructive engagement" at a meeting on November 29, but not much is known about the encounter between the two parties other than HUNDEN tweeting a thankful note to his lawyers after the ordeal.

We've put together a timeline of the key moments that shaped the HUNDEN-ESIC saga up until the coach was mysteriously unbanned in early December.

Silence from HUNDEN and ESIC has left many questions unanswered

HUNDEN becomes a coach and uses the spectator bug twice
April-May 2020

HUNDEN retired as a player and took up a coaching position with Heroic in 2020 after being benched by MAD Lions. During that time he used the infamous bug on two occasions, well before the bug had been publicly discovered. The first time he used it was in a match against Astralis during DreamHack Masters Spring, where he used it for 10 rounds, and the second time was against Spirit, in the Home Sweet Home Cup Season 5, where he used it for 13 rounds.


HUNDEN among the first three coaches banned in coaching bug scandal
August-September 2020

The coaching bug scandal exploded in August 2020 when HUNDEN, Ricardo "⁠dead⁠" Sinigaglia and Aleksandr "⁠zoneR⁠" Bogatiryev were banned by ESIC for the use of an exploit that allowed coaches to see areas of the map that they should not be able to, potentially giving the bugged coach access to key information of a round's development during a match. This first wave of bans was just the tip of an iceberg that would end up with a total of 37 coaches sanctioned a month later for having used the exploit in the past.

HUNDEN was originally banned for 12 months, but by cooperating with ESIC he got his sentence reduced to just eight. Heroic suspended him shortly after, but he was not removed from the organization. At this time HUNDEN claimed that he was alone in his actions — a notion that ESIC did not refute or confirm by stating there was insufficient evidence that the players had knowledge of their coach's actions.

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HUNDEN, dead, zoneR banned for coaching bug exploit

HUNDEN reinstated as Heroic's coach after serving his sentence
April 2021

Heroic announced their plan to reinstate HUNDEN in April 2021 after his ban expired and the skipper was welcomed back to his old position with open arms.

The CGO of Heroic at the time, Erik Askered, spoke publicly about the reasoning behind HUNDEN's return. "HUNDEN is our boy," he said. "We all know that Nicolai made a big mistake which does not represent what Heroic stands for. However, he has not only accepted and endured his punishment, he has also worked hard to improve Counter-Strike so mistakes like this will not happen again."


Heroic claim HUNDEN leaked documents to a rival team
July 2021

Heroic continued to make progress under HUNDEN's leadership, but rumors surrounding the coach's future started to spread and the possibility that he could join Astralis to replace the departing Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen gained traction in July 2021. Fuel was added to the fire when HUNDEN stated that he would not be extending his contract with Heroic.

An unexpected reply came from the Heroic camp the following day, when they said that they would be taking legal action against the coach due to a breach of contract. "Prior to IEM Cologne 2021 in early July, the Heroic team unanimously decided that Mr. Petersen would not participate in the tournament due to severe trust issues," Heroic's statement read. "Following this, Mr. Petersen blocked the team members’ access to the team strategy folder."

The organization went on to further explain that HUNDEN shared confidential information from the team's strategy folder "with a key individual at a major competitor prior to the tournament," and ESIC soon announced that they would investigate the matter.


HUNDEN implicates teammates in coach bug abuse
August 2021

HUNDEN spoke out against ESIC in an interview with TV2.dk on the day before the commission's ruling was to come out. In it, he said that he had "never been heard in the case" revolving around his alleged sharing of sensitive documents with a rival team. HUNDEN also retracted his original statement about his players having had no involvement in his exploitation of the coaching bug and levied that some players knew of his actions. In one case, he even said that one of the players aided him to get an advantage in a match.

HUNDEN also said that the players had debated whether to take advantage of the coaching bug, but that not all of them knew of his eventual abuse of the bug in the May 2020 matches. When the coach was asked why he was coming out with the new information now, he simply said: "I'm so far down a hole now that there's nothing to keep away anymore."

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HUNDEN implicates teammates in coaching bug scandal

HUNDEN gets banned a second time, this time for two years
August-September 2021

HUNDEN was hit with a two-year ban after the ESIC investigation in late August 2021, but the coach continued to claim that, although he did leak the document, it was just anti-strat material and not the team's strategies. ESIC still ruled against him and he was found in breach of the catch-all article 2.4.5 of their Code of Conduct.

"The facts of the alleged incident are not adequately or clearly covered by any of the above offences, conduct that brings Esports, the Game, Event, ESIC or a Member into disrepute."

ESIC stated that the team receiving the confidential material was one that HUNDEN was in the process of negotiating a move to, and one that was to compete at IEM Cologne alongside Heroic. Although never officially mentioned by ESIC, there were rumors indicating that the team was Astralis. HUNDEN felt at the time that the ban would be the end of his Counter-Strike career."There is nothing called Counter-Strike for me after this," he said.

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HUNDEN to serve two-year ban following ESIC investigation

ESIC's commissioner, Ian Smith, went on HLTV Confirmed to speak about the situation in an attempt to explain all of the decisions that had been made. The conversation was a long one that covered various topics, but there were multiple parts in which he gave insight into the situation. "All I've got at the moment is a guy who either lied to me a year ago or is lying to me now," he said.

The commissioner also responded to HUNDEN's claim that the coach was not listened to during the coaching bug ban scandal. "I've constantly said, 'I'm listening. What have you got to say?'" Mr. Smith stated.


HUNDEN releases evidence implicating Heroic players in cheating scandal
September 2021

TV2.dk released a statement made by HUNDEN that revealed evidence seemingly indicating that his Heroic players were cheating when the coaching bug incidents happened. One of the key parts of the evidence was a conversation between HUNDEN and Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen, in which the latter stated: "Everyone on our team knew it. Maybe not the first time. But after. Everyone knew that."

The other key piece of evidence implied that René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen had helped HUNDEN by boosting him to spot in order to reach the coach bug. HUNDEN claimed that the position could not be reached without the help of another player and that the only player on the server at the time the coaching bug was triggered was TeSeS.

The logs were reviewed by a referee who has "in-depth knowledge of the coaching bug." The referee in question said that HUNDEN's explanation of the logs "definitely makes sense when you look at the matter," but he clarified that it was indeed possible to reach that position without help, noting HUNDEN did not know that.

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HUNDEN releases evidence implicating former teammates in coaching bug abuse*

ESIC apply a minor sanction to niko and clear the rest of Heroic
October 2021

The result of the month-long investigation was that niko received a lenient sanction as a result of an admission of guilt in combination with exceptional and special circumstances. ESIC cast HUNDEN as having manipulated the player's trust by using the fact he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and Asperger's syndrome. According to ESIC's findings the two conditions made niko heavily dependent on those he trusts around him and that HUNDEN had abused that trust.

ESIC also stated that niko's ADHD and Asperger's syndrome would "significantly impact his ability to know right from wrong, make values-based decisions on his own, and communicate effectively in a conventional way." The case against the remaining members of the team, Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller, TeSeS, Johannes "⁠b0RUP⁠" Borup, and Martin "⁠stavn⁠" Lund, was dismissed due to insufficient evidence to reasonably conclude their guilt under ESIC's Integrity Program. Notably, the phone call between niko and HUNDEN was deemed to be "set up to aid Mr. Petersen's agenda to cause harm to Heroic." Furthermore, ESIC found that there was no evidence that TeSeS had knowledge of HUNDEN's purpose behind the boost in regards to the allegation against him helping HUNDEN use the coaching bug against Spirit.


Heroic break silence
October 2021

Heroic released a video the day after the ruling, in which the players broke their silence about the entire ordeal. In the 30-minute video titled Our side of the HUNDEN story the four players shared how the events unfolded from their perspective, specifically talking about their reactions to finding out HUNDEN had used the exploit in the Astralis game. "First, I thought it was a joke," stavn said in the video.

TeSeS spoke about the accusations that he was helping HUNDEN cheat and stated that he did boost the coach in the warmup, but wasn't told what it was for, and that it didn't come across as suspicious due to b0RUP and himself not being told about the bug used in the Astralis game.

cadiaN and stavn spoke about how they could have reacted better when they found out about the bug being used against Astralis, but claimed that due to HUNDEN's reputation in the Danish scene they couldn't believe he would have cheated intentionally. "Why would he all of a sudden use a cheat or a bug?" cadiaN said. "Why would we ever think that he would want to use it, it makes no sense to use it. It's stupid."


HUNDEN's working relationship with Astralis comes to light
August 2022

In August 2022, Dexerto's Richard Lewis released a report in which his sources claimed that HUNDEN had been in a working relationship with Astralis — the team he had allegedly leaked confidential material to — in a role that he "would be precluded from doing in an official capacity at events" due to his ban.

Astralis confirmed that the two sides were working together but denied claims that it was in a coaching capacity. The Danish organization stated that HUNDEN was a subcontractor working on creating video tutorials for Aim Lab, their partner, together with the players.

Astralis also commented that they would not have "any second thoughts" about working with HUNDEN once his ban has expired. "Should we have the need, we would not have any second thoughts about offering him a position as an analyst or the like," a part of the statement said.


ESIC lift HUNDEN's ban under veil of secrecy
December 2022

HUNDEN's ESIC ban was lifted on December 2 out of the blue, and the details surrounding why his ban was lifted are unknown other than that it stemmed from a meeting between the two parties on November 29. What is known is that HUNDEN was unbanned and will take "relevant training," and that ESIC promised to "review its policies and procedures to ensure they are consistent with good industry practice and fit for purpose."

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ESIC lift HUNDEN ban

So far, the only other thing that is now public knowledge is that ESIC deleted the original notice of sanction against HUNDEN on their website and the Dane made a point of thanking his legal team. "Matters have now been concluded on the basis of the agreed joint statement and further comments won’t be made," the 31-year-old tweeted.

ESIC has also removed the original notice of charge announcement and other previous references to the case.

Denmark Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
Johannes 'b0RUP' Borup
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Denmark Martin 'stavn' Lund
Martin 'stavn' Lund
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Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
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22
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Denmark Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
Nicolai 'HUNDEN' Petersen
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31
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Denmark Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
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Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
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Brazil Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
Ricardo 'dead' Sinigaglia
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37
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Russia Aleksandr 'zoneR' Bogatiryev
Aleksandr 'zoneR' Bogatiryev
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God Hunden
2022-12-29 11:16
17 replies
#7
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India psn46
Unban Forsaken !!!!!!
2022-12-29 11:19
4 replies
#13
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Mongolia zywh032
+1
2022-12-29 11:22
1 reply
and 0 fucks were given for hondens unban 😋😋
2022-12-29 13:43
#168
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Slovakia EvErisT
Why unban trash from silver?
2022-12-30 02:10
1 reply
#173
ropz | 
India psn46
Same can be said for hunden
2022-12-30 05:31
Who is the bigger clown? Hunden or ESIC?
2022-12-29 11:48
8 replies
i bet he threatened to expose all the players who were cheating in 2015 xD
2022-12-29 11:53
5 replies
Lol what a silly thing to believe
2022-12-29 13:18
1 reply
lel youtube.com/watch?v=Ki9Hyg57Fak&t=7 very silly but OH don't mind me.. that was just a coincidence because pros are superhuman cyborgs with x-ray vision and automated target aquiry system i mean... how else could anyone go pro?
2022-12-29 23:37
#104
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United States Zedsamcat
Average r/vacsucks user
2022-12-29 16:53
Doubt it. The when scene would be destroyed. There were so many blatant clips. Subroza locking flusha locking. It was great. Even if they were cheating it was the peak of cs. Dan m clips insane plays best days.
2022-12-29 20:07
1 reply
> peak of cs > literally everyone cheated you can't have both... not ever
2022-12-29 23:38
Esic unfortunately. The unbanning of hunden marks the incompetence of esics forever. Hltv is becoming the best site ever, they exposed the blast circuit and now they made an article exposing/remembering all the "crimes" hunden did, so nobody forgets.
2022-12-29 17:41
1 reply
hey, no reason to be THIS sarcastic
2022-12-29 23:39
GOD Hunder even has his own SAGA now.
2022-12-29 11:53
+1 he is the real GOAT
2022-12-29 12:30
God[::-1]
2022-12-29 16:45
#2
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France Kweyy
no
2022-12-29 11:17
lol
2022-12-29 11:17
Lets make a tv show about Hunden
2022-12-29 11:17
ESIC is dumb and should not be given any authority whatsoever
2022-12-29 11:18
10 replies
ESIC is dumb and should not be given any authority whatsoever. Therefore, it is a waste of time to play csgo.
2022-12-29 14:49
9 replies
what does esports rule commitee have to do with playing cs?
2022-12-29 20:56
8 replies
m4a1s is overpowered and csgo devs don't care about balance therefore it's a waste of time to play csgo
2022-12-29 21:20
7 replies
ak better than a1s
2022-12-29 22:02
4 replies
3 replies
9 months ago
2022-12-29 22:55
2 replies
it's a fucking copypasta from some guy on youtube
2022-12-30 14:31
1 reply
ok???
2022-12-30 17:52
Are you that dude in the comment section spamming this on every csgo video?
2022-12-30 02:33
1 reply
nope i'm just referencing him
2022-12-30 14:31
ez
2022-12-29 11:18
#9
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Mongolia zywh032
GOAT
2022-12-29 11:21
got unbanned cuz he payed esic lmao
2022-12-29 11:21
#12
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Poland Gufag
I wish both hunden and esic disappeared from cs:go
2022-12-29 11:22
Fascinating, such determination from HUNDEN to Persue a career after alienating himself from the community. Although you can only base opinions on what you read, maybe there’s more to the story than what meets the eye, who knows.
2022-12-29 11:23
didnt know Hunden was a avg Hltvforum user
2022-12-29 11:24
Why do Europeans cheat so much?
2022-12-29 11:27
8 replies
ask to iBuyPower they might know
2022-12-29 11:30
3 replies
#125
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
holy newfrog ibp didnt cheat they did the exact opposite that said #18 is dumb
2022-12-29 19:54
2 replies
1. I'm not new, in fact I've been around longer than you, simply (as my nick says) it's not my first account. 2. Maybe you didn't pass primary school but yes, cheating arent only exploits and scrypts, 322ing a match to manipulate bets its also cheat.
2022-12-30 01:41
1 reply
#191
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Canada MiLkBaGzz
I apologize for calling you new if you were around back then also. I guess we just disagree what cheating is. Ive never heard anyone call throwing cheating. But hey thats the beautiful thing about language its different everywhere
2022-12-30 21:55
oh nononono the irony
2022-12-29 11:30
smartest murican
2022-12-29 12:02
#48
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Europe kuu1
Amateurish American made computer games are too easy for smart Europeans to abuse.
2022-12-29 12:23
1 reply
fr
2022-12-29 13:53
TL;DR: ESIC as a private organization has no power over the law to prevent other private organizations from hiring hunden. He just won an easy defamation case and that was about it.
2022-12-29 11:29
1 reply
On a side note, it's essentially not possible to ban a guy from the entirety of e-sports. Valve can only ban people from their own events, ESL likewise, blast likewise. Even if all three ban the person separately, it's still possible to sue arguing over "cartel" laws.
2022-12-29 11:33
should be banned for life with heroic together but the world went to full soy...
2022-12-29 11:30
1 reply
#99
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United States r0l4nd_
+1 this is the right response
2022-12-29 16:20
HUNDEN > CS community as whole xDDDDD Fkn joke scene tbh...
2022-12-29 11:30
4 replies
#33
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New Zealand Melting
hunden alts aren't allowed on hltv
2022-12-29 11:46
2 replies
Reply ratio
2022-12-29 13:14
1 reply
#156
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New Zealand Melting
what ratio?
2022-12-30 01:09
“Scene” blurgh
2022-12-29 19:07
Heroic players so innocent they even use fake tears in excuse video :(
2022-12-29 11:34
1 reply
money can change many things))
2022-12-29 15:43
Esic sus
2022-12-29 11:37
#29
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Russia kArfiD13
No
2022-12-29 11:38
#30
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Philippines H0xfrey
not too late to ban this cheater again any team who picks him up is trash
2022-12-29 11:38
so sad he got thrown under the bus by heroic, fucking scum, so shameless
2022-12-29 11:46
2 replies
+1 they are all just as guilty as hunden
2022-12-29 15:45
1 reply
+1
2022-12-29 17:48
ibp for 1 thrown game - permaban cheating dog hunden - gets cleared
2022-12-29 11:47
Why give this known cheater and someone who has committed what is tantamount to corporate espionage so much coverage? Just for the comments? Well then, you're welcome.
2022-12-29 11:51
Hunden means dog in arabic
2022-12-29 11:54
3 replies
#52
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Finland Khroni
Hunden means dog in Danish also believe it or not
2022-12-29 12:28
#57
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Norway TheDEA
Alkelbo Populku populku!
2022-12-29 12:37
#180
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Norway Gjellan
Can confirm it means the dog in Danish too. He really named himself that
2022-12-30 13:31
What is known is that HUNDEN was unbanned and will take "relevant training" on how to hide his cheating better
2022-12-29 12:05
1 reply
He told ESIC he was using the bug and then the coach bug scandal happened, so as long as he says nothing everything should be good on vac secured servers.
2022-12-29 14:51
My guess of what happened (pure speculation): He convinced and/or proven to ESIC that Heroic knew about cheating all along, and he was the fall guy. However, they can't just retroactively punish Heroic because they already cleared them before on this question, and that would make ESIC look like total clowns. So, a deal was struck to clear HUNDEN and not pursue anything further.
2022-12-29 12:08
2 replies
this or money
2022-12-29 15:46
1 reply
both
2022-12-30 09:33
#44
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Canada Yaokon
Guys who are really cheating get almost nothing and then there's the ibp lineup who got fucked... should of banned them for a year only also
2022-12-29 12:11
2 replies
the IBP guys got unbanned as well after a time bro, what are you talking about? They are just banned permanently from valve sponsored events, just like HUNDEN.
2022-12-29 14:47
1 reply
#189
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Canada Yaokon
=__= what about the cheater who can now play with a vac ban in valve events???? Imo if valve unbanned them also they might of played cs still.. they wanted to play at majors not only esl and dreamhack.. *edit this means ibp is still technically banned since majors are the most important tourny not org would pick them up
2022-12-30 21:07
netflix series
2022-12-29 12:11
1 reply
#46
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Poland karov
+1 would be goated
2022-12-29 12:18
#50
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxyownz
welcome back hunden! GOAT !!!!
2022-12-29 12:25
GOD HUNDEN
2022-12-29 12:25
#53
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Australia FantasyDom
Cleared or not he's a confirmed liar and snitch
2022-12-29 12:28
1 reply
True that
2022-12-29 14:30
I think he is most tricky lair/cheater.
2022-12-29 12:49
Lol
2022-12-29 12:54
Heroic still not banned this is absurd
2022-12-29 13:02
danish goat
2022-12-29 13:13
A black mark on the scene, but oh well with people like Frankie willing to work with "people that kill her friends" I can see why Astralis wouldn't mind working with a person that mentally abused a team mate who was vulnerable.
2022-12-29 13:15
Probably the best and most famous Dane from csgo community.
2022-12-29 13:19
#67
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Germany at0myq
#FreeZoner
2022-12-29 13:24
lets go HUNDEN you are the best Danish scout, keep working hard to find another Lucky/Buzz/Kristou/jarko/Fessor casle as coach and hunden as scout will bring the best for Astralis and Talent roster
2022-12-29 13:28
2 replies
Typical astralis fan. Likes to have cheaters and liars working for them
2022-12-29 22:30
1 reply
lol, astralis isnot the only org who work with ex-cheater as long as he serve his punishment, then it is all good HUNDEN cheating not directly affect his team winning
2022-12-30 06:56
This summary is enough for teams to make their mind if they wanna work with him.
2022-12-29 13:34
1 reply
yup, he is clear now he can work using his expertise
2022-12-30 06:58
#70
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Sweden 7emod
Just let him rotten why are we even giving cheater chances like emilio sitting on twitch with alot of people watching him once a scum always a scum.
2022-12-29 13:37
2 replies
how can people watch emilio on twitch😂
2022-12-29 13:40
#73
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Poland BAN_ANIME
apparently emilio stream is twitch botted lol
2022-12-29 13:45
Welcome back GOAT DOG
2022-12-29 14:16
This Hunden saga is so confusing
2022-12-29 14:16
#77
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Other catogren
why do people like hunden but hate cadian?
2022-12-29 14:25
lol
2022-12-29 14:33
Nobody can stop God Hunden About time tothestars
2022-12-29 14:47
#Hundendidnothingwrong
2022-12-29 14:49
haha
2022-12-29 14:52
Hunden saga > Freeza saga
2022-12-29 14:54
Will some team ever sign this guy now?
2022-12-29 14:54
3 replies
i mean surley a great coach etc but all the recent shit about him will someone take the risk?
2022-12-29 14:55
1 reply
He can work in any team "behind the scenes" you know.
2022-12-29 15:52
I hope it happens soon, Astralis is a natural choice - their current coach is banned from the major
2022-12-29 18:09
GOD HUNDEN
2022-12-29 14:56
What a clown
2022-12-29 15:37
ESIC fucking clowns.
2022-12-29 15:43
1 reply
ESucc
2022-12-29 15:57
Even hltv boys cant get unbaned after 10 years ;/
2022-12-29 15:44
Esic have to be one of the most shady orgs on the planet.
2022-12-29 16:10
if they cleared his cheating teammates then he should have been cleared from the start... they were all cheaters on Heroic
2022-12-29 16:40
he clearly snitched and tried to snitch further lol. ya'll defending him?
2022-12-29 16:51
1 reply
Well, he's free, nothing to defend him for anymore.
2022-12-29 17:08
Theres a reason Astralis has been nothing since Device first left and it's called karma lmao.
2022-12-29 17:17
#107
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South Africa bonkaz
POS.
2022-12-29 17:21
he should sue valve into letting him coach again. it would be a win for consumer rights.
2022-12-29 17:32
banned for life. lets move on people, dude is cringe af and has a lot to work on himself
2022-12-29 17:45
GOAT
2022-12-29 17:50
GOAT HUNDEN
2022-12-29 18:18
Its hundens world and were just living in it
2022-12-29 18:27
Who the f is Hunden ? If he use spectatator bug even long time ago , that means he is rat forever in a lot people eyes . All this hype around this ugly person who fucking even talk about his teamates and tacticts in public , its fucking shows what type of person he is . And yes , did he even show some real fucking achievments in this fucking live when he was togher with heroic ? He will never be level of Blad3 and zonic ! Its just fucking hype guy and thats it , i even dont care if he gonna kiss ass of astralis . Who cheated once gonna cheat twice , S1mple !.
2022-12-29 18:32
#120
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Andorra mopGOD420
ESIC clowns, Hunden dog
2022-12-29 18:44
#121
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Estonia rafio
GOAT HUNDEN SHOW THEM
2022-12-29 18:44
Remember guys, if you ever get banned by ESIC, they'll unban you if you get a lawyer! No matter how severe the ban is!
2022-12-29 19:18
Anyone who uses this guy services after all that can consider themselves a clown + hypocrites 😁
2022-12-29 19:26
#126
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Ukraine S0me_dude
GOD HUNDEN is back
2022-12-29 20:06
#128
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Barbados Esme
Nice
2022-12-29 20:10
Stop giving him attention
2022-12-29 20:21
#130
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Serbia biTe19
still a cheater
2022-12-29 20:27
cleared? he wasnt cleared of just he just got a lawyer which could make ESIC shut up because they have no money. well outside of giving it to that weirdo yaberu (russian whistleblower whatever he was called) lmfao.
2022-12-29 20:39
'What is known is that HUNDEN was unbanned and will take "relevant training," and that ESIC promised to "review its policies and procedures to ensure they are consistent with good industry practice and fit for purpose."' so 'hunden payd for unban and esic will change their policy so players can pay for unban in future'
2022-12-29 20:53
lol everybody implicated in this is dumb. Let's start with ESIC: bullshit organization with 0 credibility whatsoever lmfao. How they operate is beyond me, absolutely terrible and pathetic tbh. Hunden: Lied, cheated and should never be allowed to play again, abused a bug, got his teammates implicated when it really hit the fan and then lawyered up to get unbanned (esic too scared of legal actions rofl 0 credibility lmao) Heroic and Co.: no way they didn't know about the bug, and once hunden got caught they tried saving their own skin and start disassociating from him. Should be banned or at least punished but no all they got was a little slap on the wrist. niko: My man bullshited to also save his own skin. Yeah trust issues amirite?? Should also be punished but nah slap on the wrist too Astralis: just turn a blind eye to everything who cars lol The bigger picture is that everyone loses. Esic should disband they are honestly such a joke. Hunden should be perma banned and the players should be punished
2022-12-29 21:23
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what annoys me about this is how heroic as an org got completely free out of this with no repercussions whatsoever. there is absolutely no way they didn't know. i remember seeing that 'emotional' video where they talk about this. yeah, fuck i'd be crying a river when i know my livelihood is being threatened. goodbye high life, because all my talents and life skills are playing csgo. there is no way you won't know someone on your team is having access to information they shouldn't.
2022-12-31 10:53
2 replies
I completely agree, all they got was a small slap on the wrist ofc Heroic should have been severely punished for withholding crucial information, namely that their coach was fucking cheating lmao, on Hunden's end he should have implicated them directly the first time he spoke out about the situation tbh, no respect for Heroic man I have to be honest... and even less for the sleazy, slimeballs like teses and cadian who blatantly knew and didn't care And Astralis they just turned a blind eye to everything because why not lol why would they care I mean nobody knew they were implicated, all can be implied but knowing for sure? Nah
2022-12-31 19:36
1 reply
hunden tried to protect his team we can understand that but how heroic threw him under the bus we don't understand
2022-12-31 21:45
#143
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Portugal dracø
"cleared" yeah... no ESIC is trash and shouldn't have any impact from here on.
2022-12-29 22:51
i don't follow csgo news HUNDEN was a bot player can anybody explain why he is so important right now?
2022-12-29 23:14
2 replies
Became a coach, abused coach bug. Implicated his teammates to save his own skin
2022-12-30 01:30
1 reply
lmfao even his ban lifted which team sign him as a coach
2022-12-30 10:16
Every coach using big is a mint and should be banned for life. Niko has Asperger's and ADHD, but Teses is just stupid. How can you do something strange and not question it? It's fishy AF.
2022-12-30 01:15
1 reply
i don't believe a fucking word anyone from heroic says unless they're throwing shit on the org because at least then it'll have the stain of truth on it
2022-12-30 15:08
cars Forsaken is allowed to play tournaments again next year lmao time goes by so fast wtf
2022-12-30 01:55
1 reply
His cheating had way more ingame impact, and he has no value outside the server AFAIK. The difference in offense is huge IMO. Forsaken will never get a contract again, HUNDEN is already contracted to Astralis to some degree, as his value outside the server is still quite high, if you can ride off the PR backlash from having him as an employee.
2022-12-30 09:21
cheater. deserves permaban
2022-12-30 02:56
1 reply
S1mple cheating (which is being downplayed to scam & ban evasion) had more impact. Consistency in "hate" in this scene is non-existent.
2022-12-30 09:23
OMG HLTV leaked the Andrew Tate story but used HUNDEN's name? Tate will be found cleared. HLTV is in on it
2022-12-30 03:10
Rest in anywhere you want, just don't be a part of this game, thanks
2022-12-30 03:23
hunden is back
2022-12-30 14:28
i don't believe a fucking word anyone from heroic says unless they're throwing shit on the org because at least then it'll have the stain of truth on it
2022-12-30 15:11
Cleared? No. He admitted to cheating and sharing strats after being caught. He is also a liar, his RL trust factor is cooked. It'd be great if he stayed away from CSGO.
2022-12-30 18:07
4 replies
he "admitted" sharing strats to esic because they would give him a worse punishment otherwise, so of course it's smarter to "admit" and get a lesser punishment.
2022-12-30 21:59
3 replies
What's your point exactly?
2022-12-31 04:41
2 replies
that admitting sharing strats means nothing since it was his best option for shortest punishment regardless of whether or not he actually did anything wrong
2022-12-31 14:33
1 reply
Righto, he had already demonstrated being a liar and cheat so I guess it makes sense he would lie about that for a perceived advantage too. It would be hilarious if he didn't do it considering his admission was actually part of the evidence leading to his sanction.
2022-12-31 15:53
im sick of it these cheaters. hunden and heroic should banned from all events for life time
2022-12-30 18:09
1 reply
+1
2022-12-30 21:08
#192
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Finland dvlx
hunden did noting wrong it's valve's fault for patching the exploit for so long should take some lessons from riot how support a game
2022-12-30 21:55
One of the brightest minds in the history of the game. Crafted the best IGL ever. Whatever his mistakes, his legacy will never be erased.
2022-12-31 00:16
GOD hunden Literally the smartest guy to touch the game dont car about past cheating, #1 player in the game is actual convicted aimbotter so all good to me TONS of hypocrites in this thread, funny to see
2022-12-31 04:42
This saga is very confusing
2022-12-31 13:42
ESIC has lost all credits. For all we know, everyone could be cheating and as long the vents pay their fees, they can fix anything. Tier 1 CS slowly becoming like WWE.
2022-12-31 20:02
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