ENCE reports nearly €1 million in profits in 2022

While many organizations in the space consistently report losses and some have even had to close down, ENCE has just had a record-breaking year.

ENCE recorded its best-ever year financially in 2022. The company reported over €4 million in revenue for the year — a €1.4 million increase from its previous record in 2019 —, of which over €0.9 million came in net profit, a substantial improvement compared to previous years (€169,000 in 2021 and a €223,000 loss in 2020).

This comes as a rare success story at a time of the 'esports winter,' a term used to describe the industry's recent economic woes. Many large esports organizations report losses and some struggle to stay afloat amidst a lack of new investment — one of the most recent examples being Heroic, which is changing ownership after months of financial turmoil —, while others on the lower end have closed down entirely after going bankrupt, such as Tricked, Copenhagen Flames, and KOVA.

ENCE's CS:GO team's 2022 success made it the company's best year yet

Much of ENCE's success came from its crown jewel, the CS:GO team, which it has put most of its efforts into in recent times, as Valve's first-person shooter is now the Finnish company's only big title after it parted ways with StarCraft and PUBG players earlier in 2023.

In the first half of 2022, the lineup around Marco "⁠Snappi⁠" Pfeiffer became one of the best teams in the world, placing runners-up at ESL Pro League Season 15, in the top four at PGL Major Antwerp, and securing another second-place finish at IEM Dallas. Though they were unable to replicate that success in the second half of the year following the loss of Lotan "⁠Spinx⁠" Giladi to Vitality, ENCE also qualified for the second Major, IEM Rio.

The organization's participation in both Majors of the year and the sticker money that came with it played a large part in ENCE recording its best year so far as a business. "Major stickers generated seven-figure revenue in 2022 based on us competing in both of the CS:GO Majors," ENCE CEO Mika Kuusisto tells HLTV.org.

Another key factor is ENCE's status as one of the 15 teams partnered with ESL as part of the Louvre Agreement, which grants the company a permanent spot in two ESL Pro League seasons a year, some spots in other ESL Pro Tour competitions, and a share of the revenue from both products.

Of course, the same is the case for other organizations, but unlike many others who are part of that partnership structure and consistently appear at Majors, ENCE does not rely on outside investment. It seems to use its funds more efficiently, especially by focusing on bringing up new talent rather than taking on expensive and more established players. Since 2022 the CS:GO team has been punching above its weight thanks to effective scouting.

"We have from the day one structured our business to be sustainable and not based on investors pockets — in fact, to date we have raised zero euros from investors and have been profitable excluding 2020 when the COVID hit us," the ENCE chief said to HLTV.

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While Heroic compete in Paris, the company is in the process of being sold *

Moving forward, the company is positive it will be able to continue to thrive, but it might just have to wait at least until next year before it surpasses the record-breaking 2022.

"We remain positive about our long-term future but cannot break revenue record this year due to there being only one CS:GO Major in 2023. We will grow in the future, and for example partnerships/sponsorships have lots of room to grow. New game expansions are being evaluated continuously but there is a lack of interesting opportunities which would make financial sense to us at the moment."

Denmark Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer
Age:
32
Team:
Rating 1.0:
0.95
Maps played:
1715
KPR:
0.65
DPR:
0.68
Israel Lotan 'Spinx' Giladi
Lotan 'Spinx' Giladi
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.09
Maps played:
570
KPR:
0.73
DPR:
0.64
Has to be money laundering. No way an esport org turns a profit.
2023-05-27 15:27
32 replies
stciker money + selling spinx pretty much
2023-05-27 15:33
23 replies
such things doesnt go into orgs they get normally max a 10% cut of it and that aren millions
2023-05-27 15:45
18 replies
don't they directly buy the player's contract ( owned by the org ), which means the 10% cut would go to the player not the org...
2023-05-27 15:53
5 replies
yeah i think just like in football the managing part behind the player gets the lions share of the buyout
2023-05-27 18:15
4 replies
Wdym lions share? The buyer pays the seller. The team/org is selling the player. Player just moves but often gets more money in the new team or even signing bonus.
2023-05-27 20:09
3 replies
in football at least players get like 10% of the buyout. idk if thats and additional signing bonus or whatever; dont really care.
2023-05-27 22:45
2 replies
Sounds like a skill issue, ez for ence
2023-05-28 00:05
1 reply
russian flag checks out
2023-05-28 16:53
the sticker money depends of the contract the players have with org these days
2023-05-27 15:53
depends on contract. maybe ence isnt as stupid as other orgs...
2023-05-27 16:13
2 replies
#227
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Bahamas Barakudas
Ence was always good st marketing and they rarely get hated by public which helps a lot also they their manegment rn is smart and does good transfers like old astralis
2023-05-27 18:48
It's all because of Ez4Ence MVP Song xD!
2023-05-27 21:05
org receives 100% of the money I extremely doubt that players had more than 50%
2023-05-27 18:47
2 replies
this simply isnt true and was confirmed countless times not only by insiders but even by orgs CEOs(nip, astralis etc)
2023-05-27 18:52
1 reply
understood, have old info then
2023-05-27 20:19
#241
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United States Xeeh
They said right here in the article they had 7 figure revenue (1 million+) from sticker money
2023-05-27 19:30
Sticker money depends on contracts, but selling a player is obviously all org money not player.
2023-05-27 20:04
Why would team sticker money go to players, they already have signatures
2023-05-27 21:29
2 replies
Because in Dota TI all money goes to the players at first
2023-05-27 21:30
1 reply
its depend on contract. im sure every prize money will not go to player. org have to pay player and other staff salaries, build training facilities for player and many more. org also provide everything for player during bootcamp. any sane people who build his/her own esport org also looking for profit
2023-05-29 16:12
+1 selling spinx couple of million dollar free
2023-05-27 15:47
Merch money mostly
2023-05-27 17:01
1 reply
nah bro if merch would sell this well BR teams would be billionaires
2023-05-28 11:52
#346
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United Kingdom novaseer
+ share of EPL money from being a Louvre team
2023-05-28 10:08
Someone watched to many breaking bad seasons
2023-05-27 15:36
I agree and wouldn't be a surprise. A lot of it is in the industry.
2023-05-27 15:47
#150
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Malaysia AtPdTrZ
lurppis is an actual business
2023-05-27 16:50
1 reply
who
2023-05-27 19:52
Maybe they aren't actually paying their players absurd money they don't even have to begin with ?
2023-05-27 18:32
+1
2023-05-27 19:51
Actually most big companies are built to run at a loss using future increase in size and revenue as leverage to get larger and larger depth commitments, thats why when anything goes slight wrong the fall but also why they expand so quickly Ence probably just have a more traditional approach, its also why they aren't as big even though they technically have been at several times for long periods of time a top 10 team
2023-05-27 22:38
Tell me you know about e-sports without saying you dont know e-sports
2023-05-27 23:35
#3
nEGRo | 
Canada bltby
CAP.
2023-05-27 15:27
34 replies
Its not, all finnish companies have their financials released so for it to be cap they would have to be lying to the tax office
2023-05-27 15:40
33 replies
#41
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Poland ignacyi
Which happens?
2023-05-27 15:41
31 replies
in Finland it is not that common
2023-05-27 15:44
why would they lie about making profit
2023-05-27 15:47
17 replies
To seem better to a investor but doubt it
2023-05-27 15:49
9 replies
It's literally in the thread that ence doesn't rely on investor's money
2023-05-27 16:10
8 replies
sponsors are what?
2023-05-27 16:51
7 replies
Sponsors are not investors, they buy assets that Ence sells them.
2023-05-27 16:53
sponsor =/= investor. Sponsor is always a company who is being advertised by them for some money. Investor might be a private person who just buys shares.
2023-05-27 16:55
5 replies
#231
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Bahamas Barakudas
Not essentially shares sometimes investor just invests and hopes back for great return but doesnt say specific terms which ofc makes them invest only in business they believe or trusts their guts with. For example if u invest with contract u will get money what u been contracted to get but if u just invest and the business blooms and makes much more profit then contracted then the investor might get even more in returns and if the business isnt gready and remembers that it got blooming in first place cause of investor its more risky but it pays for potential it brings not the numbers u agreed on
2023-05-27 18:53
4 replies
Yes, he gives them money and they will give it him back in good hope, nothing on paper. That's how it works with big money. That's not how investing works, like, if u put money they can't promise u particular amount later, it's just guessing cuz what if their profit will be on -? That's literally how shares works - u give them money for some % of shares, u will get more money if it will be a success or u lose if it will be disaster.
2023-05-27 19:21
3 replies
#261
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Bahamas Barakudas
No, that’s what you say when you don’t know nothing about investment and just read an article or forums about stocks… and im talking about investments, not specifically stocks that you just bringed up. Different Types of Investments Mutual fund Investment. ... Stocks. ... Bonds. ... Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs) ... Fixed deposits. ... Retirement planning. ... Cash and cash equivalents. ... Real estate Investment. And theres more.
2023-05-27 20:03
2 replies
Nice, but that's completely irrelevant in this topic. Sponsors aren't investors. That's all.
2023-05-27 20:07
1 reply
#269
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Bahamas Barakudas
you can invest in private companies do private equity investing, that doesn’t require anything to do with stocks.
2023-05-27 20:12
To not get fully taxed
2023-05-27 16:00
2 replies
#107
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Finland Owava
that's when you lie that you made less money, not more :D
2023-05-27 16:07
1 reply
mb I was not paying full attention and got the sentence wrong haha I meant more that if u keep some of the profit secret u could obviously avoid getting taxed depending which country u are located at and which taxes are applicable
2023-05-27 16:27
All companys in Sweden,Finland,Denmark and Norway we can all check it out. Its not closed finance reports . All can se them on differents websites. Sweden has allabolag.se. for example here u can go in and search on Patrik Lindberg "f0rest" and u can se how much money he has in his company. very ez
2023-05-27 16:33
3 replies
Nice, let's see flusha's tax reports
2023-05-27 21:32
2 replies
allabolag.se/5590270111/mouselifting-ab Personal. Eyeballers. But this is a new one so wont se this until next year: allabolag.se/5593661209/eyeballers-ab
2023-05-28 19:44
2023-05-28 19:45
You would have to be pretty dumb to overreport your profits.
2023-05-27 15:49
3 replies
Don't worry, these HLTV comments are typical of teenagers who never ever worked a day in their lives xD
2023-05-27 18:35
Happens regularly in every field, for the most part due to poorly designed bonus programs. There's situations where managers have an incentive to report excessive profits in order to maximize their own benefits.
2023-05-27 21:33
It does happen, fraudulent financial reporting usually happens when business unit owners are under pressure to hit targets, or hide losses to keep a business going.
2023-05-27 21:44
True but in finland financial crimes are punished worse than sexual crimes so makes no sense
2023-05-27 15:50
2 replies
sounds familiar
2023-05-27 16:27
#232
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Bahamas Barakudas
Depends if its big big money then it makes sense u do realise when u uotra rich u can get away woth crimes 10000x easier including sexual crime? So while u punish someone for sexual abuse there could be someone rich who abuses 10 or more girls a week for a example in his palace and can get anything pretty much with that money including pay corrupt officials
2023-05-27 18:56
They would lie about their profits to pay more in taxes? Now that's a beautiful idea.
2023-05-27 15:53
#106
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Finland Owava
Why would any company lie about making money in Finland, one of the countries with highest tax... Tax frauds go other way you know :D
2023-05-27 16:06
Bro it's Finland not our corner of EU :D
2023-05-27 17:54
2 replies
#371
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Poland ignacyi
Doesn't mean there ismt corruption
2023-06-06 16:22
1 reply
Yeah, but not as much as here
2023-06-07 11:18
#44
nEGRo | 
Canada bltby
POG.
2023-05-27 15:42
#4
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Oceania hqdefault
increduble
2023-05-27 15:27
i miss finnish ence still
2023-05-27 15:28
5 replies
we all do
2023-05-27 15:30
Wouldn't be profitable tbh. Ence is doing really great job with scouting new players from different countries.
2023-05-27 15:33
#111
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Finland Owava
ENCE Academy is doing well on their level tbf, there's some hope :P
2023-05-27 16:09
Yeah :(
2023-05-27 17:52
#338
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United States Hakase
i miss them so much man
2023-05-28 06:16
#6
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Russia EggYolk
w org
2023-05-27 15:28
1 reply
+1
2023-05-27 16:22
#7
Woro2k | 
Georgia 3gr03
2 majors played = 1m+ crazy
2023-05-27 15:29
1 reply
Yeah, 1 major for org+players (of 1 team) is over 2m
2023-05-27 17:57
#8
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Germany who|cars
delete one zero and you are good
2023-05-27 15:29
2 replies
wdym its literally public info
2023-05-27 16:32
its legit numbers, thats what they sent to the tax office so no point in lying
2023-05-27 22:02
So in ENCE the stickers profit all goes to the club? Seems absurd and makes no sense to me
2023-05-27 15:30
17 replies
#15
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Poland Jevilek
Nah it's because Spinx sellout propably
2023-05-27 15:31
It's not clear what the organization's cut is (I asked), but it's highly unlikely that they take 100%
2023-05-27 15:32
4 replies
Proffesseur clears you
2023-05-27 15:59
1 reply
cya in 10
2023-05-27 16:25
Hi striker, I am a big fan :D
2023-05-27 17:03
Love ya
2023-05-27 17:47
#39
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Denmark WitaCasts
ENCE team stickers, Spinx sale.
2023-05-27 15:41
They don't take everything but prolly like 10-20%
2023-05-27 15:42
the orgs all have their own stickers which make them quite a bit of money as its not split across 5 players per team. idk if they take a cut of signature capsule money
2023-05-27 16:20
It is mostly merch sales not stickers or something else
2023-05-27 17:03
5 replies
you really think ence has profitted 1 million euro from merch sales?
2023-05-27 17:59
3 replies
#243
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Finland inshallah
most of their profit probably comes from the sponsors, they have some pretty big ones
2023-05-27 19:35
Yep pretty much you'd be surprised
2023-05-27 19:47
1 reply
I don't think I would
2023-05-27 19:50
nah its mostly team stickers as orgs get 100% of the money team stickers make and then share it with players if thats apart of their deal. merch sales are probably like 20% or something
2023-05-27 22:04
Yes, team sticker revenue goes to the org and player sticker revenue goes to the players. Crazy right?
2023-05-27 21:35
Ence team stickers. Not player stickers.
2023-05-28 11:24
#11
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Japan Inlivino
CAP drop yearly income for 2022 then, pussy.
2023-05-27 15:30
3 replies
Bro thinks ENCE are lying to the tax office or what :D These figures are public and anyone can find them lmao
2023-05-27 15:53
1 reply
#101
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Japan Inlivino
i forgot they sells spinx around 600k in 2022, and drop their other game teams. then it's reasonable.
2023-05-27 16:02
their revenue in 2022 was 4.1m and nearly 1m of profits
2023-05-27 17:46
Mika Kuusisto GIGACHAD
2023-05-27 15:31
#13
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France sAeR
1 million of paco rabanne ? Nice !
2023-05-27 15:31
#14
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Germany _car
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 15:31
The only profitable esports company?
2023-05-27 15:31
#17
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Iceland xandoer
This is pretty cool actually, nice job
2023-05-27 15:32
other orgs should learn from this
2023-05-27 15:32
2 replies
yep
2023-05-27 19:04
not every org has finns donating their money to them
2023-05-28 11:43
because they dont pay players 50k a month
2023-05-27 15:32
11 replies
#28
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Pakistan Piano
+1
2023-05-27 15:34
Poverty franchise lul
2023-05-27 15:38
7 replies
They pay them better than what most of the IT people in India earn.
2023-05-27 15:54
6 replies
XD
2023-05-27 16:25
And?
2023-05-27 18:34
2 replies
And, you don't call them poverty companies do u?
2023-05-28 22:20
1 reply
Well we are a poverty nation
2023-05-29 07:52
but do they pay them better than what Walmart and Target employees/deadweight in the 48 contiguous states plus alaska and hawaii pay the?
2023-05-27 21:27
1 reply
They have like zero shifts bc of all the employees so they get payed like 5$ per year
2023-05-28 07:27
#187
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France HippzZ
+1
2023-05-27 17:43
+1
2023-05-27 19:52
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 15:32
#22
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Finland Burana123
Common ENCE w
2023-05-27 15:32
Having a good stick + sell good players = profit. Also, Ence seems to be a very well organized org.
2023-05-27 15:33
Profitable organisation with no vc money is unicorn
2023-05-27 15:33
27 replies
most orgs dont take the sticker money
2023-05-27 15:34
25 replies
Almost every org takes a big part of the sticker money. Name one that doesn't? At least all the tier 1 teams do.
2023-05-27 15:38
24 replies
they go to the players by default lol orgs have no right to the sticker money unless there is another agreement. remember when nawwk got in a lawsuit with nip because they tried to take his sticker money...?
2023-05-27 15:41
23 replies
You got that the other way around, it goes to orgs who then have individual deals with players on how much they get from that It's only player signatures that circumvent orgs entirely and go directly to players
2023-05-27 15:47
17 replies
That sounds about right. The organisation should be able to get the money from the sticker with their logo, while the players are getting the money from designing their own autographs. The only thing I don't understand is how someone is buying the ENCE stickers, literally worst looking logo in the game.
2023-05-27 15:52
3 replies
Well, they are part of one big capsule with 7 other teams, so technically it doesn't matter so much what your sticker is but what other seven teams you are thrown in the same pile with, since everyone earns the same share from that capsule
2023-05-27 15:55
What? Ence has one of the best logos out there
2023-05-29 07:52
1 reply
It's one of the least applied team stickers, and because of that - one of the cheapest ones.
2023-05-29 17:18
interesting since in Dota TI all goes to the players and Valve looks that players don't get scammed by their orgs
2023-05-27 15:54
7 replies
#102
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Finland ThaMuse
All of it doesn't but the team takes like 10 percent if even that
2023-05-27 16:02
2 replies
#114
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Slovakia GloryMole
BNE rolling in cash
2023-05-27 16:10
1 reply
#273
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Finland ThaMuse
talking about dota but yeah they've probably gotten a nice sum from all the majors they've been in
2023-05-27 20:17
Isn't it 90/10 split by default?
2023-05-27 16:15
3 replies
I know Liquid got 600k from the TI win in 2017. But that was the agreement between the players+coach and the org. And Liquid is a serious org
2023-05-27 16:17
2 replies
So u know TL got part of their winning from TI but u still said all goes to players? lmao
2023-05-27 16:21
1 reply
I said valve gives it all to the players no matter how the contracts look like. What the players do is their thing. The players gave their coach a million as well.
2023-05-27 16:33
correct me if im wrong but doesn't it go directly into players unless there's a contractual agreement between the player and the org ( such as what happened to poor nawwk w NIP ( pretty sure he's " owed " over 240k, or in other words scammed out of it) no?
2023-05-27 15:58
3 replies
I'm not exactly sure how it is decided to whose bank account it goes, some teams don't even have orgs, but I can assure you those who do will have this outlined in the contract, and I don't know of any org who gives players 100% of the team sticker
2023-05-27 15:59
Team sticker money goes to the org unless there is no org or org has an agreement like NIP did
2023-05-27 21:40
1 reply
im pretty confident that team sticker money and player autograph money are two completely separate cases though! however if i'm wrong, thanks for correcting me.
2023-05-28 06:44
i assumed we were talking about the players stickers my bad
2023-05-27 18:15
This comment is a good example of why you should do your research before acting smart!
2023-05-27 15:54
1 reply
#90 his research done by me i got you baby
2023-05-27 15:58
You don't know what a contract is, or what?
2023-05-27 16:09
2 replies
''unless there is another agreement.''
2023-05-27 18:17
1 reply
So what's the problem?
2023-05-27 19:17
#32
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Pakistan Piano
they don’t pay their players 50k/month
2023-05-27 15:36
#29
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Finland Rudilele
Damn that's crazy
2023-05-27 15:35
Almost as if companies which are run by smart people that understand the esports ecosystem and are not just overzealous egocentric entrepreneurs, Z-tier celebrities or sportsball people, are more likely to do well. Shocker!
2023-05-27 15:36
1 reply
Really!!?!
2023-05-28 00:30
#33
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Romania Nickname90
how tf?, i thought esports orgs are bleeding money.
2023-05-27 15:37
5 replies
#51
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Finland aleksiii
Well rest of them are
2023-05-27 15:46
partly true but most likely also a lot of it is purposely inflated pr speech to drive out any competitors. "don't invest in csgo we're all just losing money" kek. they have said this for years.
2023-05-27 15:47
2 replies
Yes, potentially new investor will make his decision based on PR talk instead of doing research or looking into their books.
2023-05-27 16:17
1 reply
#173
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Finland Palomies
FTX, Theranos, Nikola, Enron, WeWork, SVB... The list goes on. I'm not saying orgs aren't in trouble, but the common investor isn't any smarter or more diligent than me or you
2023-05-27 17:22
depends on their structure orgs that live a lot by investors have trouble. with rising interest rates for investors, an esports org isn't the best investment.
2023-05-27 15:49
So hard to believe that good scouting can make an org profitable instead of recycling the same players for 40k per month.
2023-05-27 15:39
Goated org
2023-05-27 15:41
Major stickers generated seven-figure revenue in 2022 based on us competing in both of the CS:GO Majors
2023-05-27 15:41
how much was spinx buyout lmao? This was main factor and they dropped other esports teams
2023-05-27 15:42
10 replies
Rumors say 600k and they dropped pubg because they didn't get a partnership spot so basically same as having s1mple on ur team and paying him 50K a month just to play CCT events
2023-05-27 15:43
8 replies
not bad, still they are underperforming in cs with current roster
2023-05-27 15:44
7 replies
I mean yeah but they got nertZ pretty recently so its only gonna get better from here
2023-05-27 15:47
5 replies
they should try get flamez for free for maden
2023-05-27 15:48
4 replies
Different roles, also Maden is the X-factor in the team, while flameZ is a little goody-two-shoes.
2023-05-27 15:54
3 replies
maden is liability
2023-05-27 15:55
2 replies
Flamez might just become washed up if they try to give him madens job
2023-05-27 16:11
1 reply
#244
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Finland inshallah
definitely, jackz would be a perfect replacement though (if ence want to take the 30yo talent gamble)
2023-05-27 19:41
they are performing as good as they should not over or underperforming
2023-05-27 15:47
#63
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Costa Rica YeAreGods
500k surely
2023-05-27 15:48
low salary, spinx buyout and getting players each for 20k
2023-05-27 15:44
1 reply
yeah idk sounds pretty ez for ence, bet u have 5-7 of those operations running on the side.
2023-05-28 09:49
#53
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Serbia ckejo
alexa, play whales by hail mary mallon
2023-05-27 15:47
One of handful of orgs that make a profit in cs
2023-05-27 15:47
faze take notes
2023-05-27 15:47
Most based and GOATed org That's what happens when you don't pay 20k/month per player and have great scouting. Crazy to think that the first international roster was made out of free agents and benched players. I didn't even see that team making it to Top 10 but here we are now with Spinx lifting the major and the rest being proven Tier 1 material.
2023-05-27 15:51
2 replies
Paying 20k/month isn't an issue, I doub't ence players gets paid much less + sold spinx and played 2 majors. Exclude one of these 2 things and they would barely make any profit. Also they are smaller org
2023-05-27 16:22
Amen to that
2023-05-27 22:40
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 15:51
no way? how is that even possible lol?
2023-05-27 15:52
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 15:53
thought it was illegal to show org that profit from esport
2023-05-27 15:53
1 reply
#112
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Finland SharpyS
In finland this stuff is public
2023-05-27 16:09
#77
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Portugal 7sson
finnish economy ez4ence
2023-05-27 15:53
#80
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Finland Emvi
did somebody say ez4ence?
2023-05-27 15:54
#83
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Germany Manana
EZ Cash 4 Ence
2023-05-27 15:54
Glad to hear that any org has good profit. I feel like in some orgs players are terribly overpaid and i believe this will not be the case in future (as multiple big orgs having big troubles financing teams). Dunno why players should have big cuts from prize money and/or sticker money. Some premium? Sure. But everything has it's own limit. Or better to say... should have.
2023-05-27 15:55
3 replies
Idk, maybe because they are the only reason of winning prize money? XD Same with stickers?
2023-05-27 16:24
2 replies
#245
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Finland inshallah
players usually take almost all prize money, that doesnt really affect their salary
2023-05-27 19:43
1 reply
I know that
2023-05-27 20:00
If you run it right esports can make you some big $$$ Looking at you FaZe
2023-05-27 15:55
2 replies
Didn't faze have financial problems also?
2023-05-27 16:24
1 reply
I am pretty sure that's why he mentioned faze. As a negative example
2023-05-27 16:37
#89
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Sweden ninjau
ez 4 ence
2023-05-27 15:56
w org?
2023-05-27 15:58
#93
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Finland samuuu38
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 15:58
1 reply
+1 Finns know how make profitable business. Hopefully in the future we see more Finnish players in ENCE jersey or if not just sell talents for profit to some other org.
2023-05-27 16:17
So that's how much those partnered contracts for invites cost you. It kinda seems we are getting closer and closer to that bs bubble bursting.
2023-05-27 15:59
7 replies
how much
2023-05-27 16:24
6 replies
if other ORGs are reporting losses and ence is this much in profits we can speculate it's 7 digits. Which is kinda confirmed by BiG when they signed some contract recently
2023-05-27 16:54
5 replies
#247
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Finland inshallah
hltv.org/news/32604/furia-big-heroic-ent.. its way more than 1 million, these teams all paid 5-6m+ for blast partnership
2023-05-27 19:46
4 replies
Yeah number is roughly few millions and I am not sure how they make that money back. Guess it's just pay to win, cause teams pay for ranking points they get by playing closed tournaments....
2023-05-27 20:04
3 replies
#270
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Finland inshallah
well these orgs cant make the money back immediately, and some of them never make it back its all a long term investment, they put in this money to grow their brand and eventually they start making profit if all goes well also, the ESL partnership also makes them some money back pro.eslgaming.com/csgo/proleague/wp-cont.. §6 §7
2023-05-27 20:17
1 reply
Invest big money and you may make it eventually..... I've hear that before
2023-05-27 20:21
ESL atleast gives all the partner teams a % of the revenue each EPL season makes so they get quite alot of money from there
2023-05-27 22:07
#97
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Finland Runts1
doto sais at his stream that when he was playing for ENCE hi got about 4k/month. But when they started win some lower tier tournament earning went 4k to 6k. And he told that example snappi got couple of thousands more than him But if players got more like 5-10k/month and other teams paid more like 20-30k its a huge different. And when ENCE got players like Spinx for free and sold them with huge buyouts its a very big profits right? Mby 2023-2024 they sell GOD NertEZ more than they got from Spinx. And then pick another lowtier player with huge potential again
2023-05-27 16:00
ENCE blackmail incoming
2023-05-27 16:01
Spinx money + sticker money + consistent somewhat high placings in tournaments meaning high prize money. def plausible
2023-05-27 16:04
5 replies
And they don't give stupidly high salaries too. That's a couple hundred thousand a year at least xd
2023-05-27 16:11
"consistent somewhat high placings in tournaments meaning high prize money" No? The only high placing that gave them "high prize" is EPL and major, they got around 332k from tournaments in 2022.
2023-05-27 16:26
Merch sales
2023-05-27 17:20
2 replies
is it true every parent in finland has to buy their child an ence jersey when they turn 7 years old?
2023-05-27 21:35
1 reply
yes and a ence backpack with redbull socks
2023-05-27 21:41
#105
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Montenegro Hradecky
goat org
2023-05-27 16:05
lot of money from kids purchasing NFT's it seems!
2023-05-27 16:07
#110
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Czech Republic Semi96
Did they finally decide to sell ballu?
2023-05-27 16:08
Not a fan of ENCE but I really like the news. Good for them!
2023-05-27 16:20
#130
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Finland HARD4ENCE
This is nice and all, but I doubt it's replicable. Unless they find a spinx like talent to sell out each year.
2023-05-27 16:24
5 replies
like Nertz?
2023-05-27 16:35
dycha is one of the most consistent riflers in the world, yeah he isn't star rifler like Spinx, but I'm pretty sure that many would like to have him in their roster. Also NertZ has a lot potential to be star rifler. Also SunPayUs is solid awper. ENCE won't make a roster change before CS2, only -maden +??? if they really want to make one.
2023-05-27 16:47
2 replies
#153
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Finland HARD4ENCE
I do hope they can keep this up. They seem to be doing a lot of things right recently (after that Aleksib fiasco). At this point ENCE is de facto esports org of Finland and no one else comes close.
2023-05-27 16:52
1 reply
yep but that comes with smart management (sAw being in charge of basically everything with the CS team) so players can't just go to management who doesn't know stuff and say they want to make changes
2023-05-27 22:08
spinx was only a small portion of that, rumors suggest somewhere around 600K so they can easily
2023-05-27 17:51
good shit
2023-05-27 16:26
Congratz!
2023-05-27 16:31
good job
2023-05-27 16:32
#145
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Japan Nekketsu
Teams making profit don't win a major
2023-05-27 16:36
diabolical
2023-05-27 16:38
Now the question becomes If ence sells one player, scout new talents, play at major and profit Why Copenhagen flames went out of business? They have more talents and sell more talents, literally the whole squad of HooXi, zyphon, roej, nico, and jabbi that went into one major.
2023-05-27 16:52
4 replies
#176
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Finland Palomies
CPH flames made it too clear they were desperate to sell their team. I don't imagine they got huge buyouts. They were practically begging for orgs to buy their squad. That's not smart business.
2023-05-27 17:27
1 reply
I see, great explanation, CPH definitely feels like "bois we got into major legend stage, pack your stuff"
2023-05-28 02:44
flames didn't have a louvre agreement spot + bad management who spent all the sticker money?
2023-05-27 17:50
from what I remember flames had been trying to sell the roster for some time, at the time they did, the contracts were probably close to ending so they got less, and they were having financial issues before that
2023-05-27 18:46
W
2023-05-27 16:52
#157
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Korea xiwon
either vitality massively overpayed on spinx or this shit is just made up
2023-05-27 16:55
6 replies
#171
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Finland aleksiii
Its public and why would they lie about making more money?
2023-05-27 17:21
#172
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France Evalion
600k and Vitality won a major at home, you decide.
2023-05-27 17:21
3 replies
#276
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Korea xiwon
yeah mickey mouse major
2023-05-27 20:36
2 replies
#284
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France Evalion
cry more Thorin
2023-05-27 21:13
1 reply
#329
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Korea xiwon
nah bro i hate thorin
2023-05-27 23:33
its what they reported to the tax office. its real numbers, why would they lie about it?
2023-05-27 17:49
spinx and hades job
2023-05-27 17:03
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 17:12
well, at least they are profitable. normally all e-sport teams are millions in the red. except the very few top ones.
2023-05-27 17:16
#170
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France Evalion
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 17:21
even ence were big losers in trophies compared to faze, they are the big winners in the money department lol
2023-05-27 17:25
They are still shit.
2023-05-27 17:25
Well, now we know that ENCE is run as a business and not as some human vape pen's scammy pet project.
2023-05-27 17:29
#179
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Brazil hugoooo
I don't see a way where it's a realistic number, considering the article says most of it comes from CS
2023-05-27 17:31
1 reply
it is, these numbers are what they presented to the tax office
2023-05-27 17:48
#180
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India aryaputra
Snappi deserves a raise along with coach saw. I wonder if Ence stickers gonna go up now in price, knowing that the company is gonna be around for a while and not go bankrupt.
2023-05-27 17:35
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 17:32
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 17:33
Now go sign flameZ
2023-05-27 17:33
this is because they run their org like an actual business unlike most esports orgs which operate at a loss but keep on getting pumped with investment in the hopes that the industry will in the future be profitable. don't like him but thorin has a GREAT interview with natu about ence youtu.be/SrKN0CmTJJk
2023-05-27 17:34
congrats
2023-05-27 17:39
#186
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Brazil EGMonster
Congrats fraudster hahah
2023-05-27 17:43
finnish economy proud of 1m profit LMFAO
2023-05-27 17:45
1 reply
#208
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Turkey bizonSX
flag :/
2023-05-27 18:13
#190
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Denmark nunz1o
Not having valulrant and other meme esports teams and focus only on CS= profit Who could have guessed that... Other orgs should learn from Ence and focus where they are good at and don't make a dumb roster for every esport available
2023-05-27 17:46
Tbh many other orgs would be able to make profit, but they try to build via loss and ez in high
2023-05-27 17:49
Poggers
2023-05-27 17:51
Ez money
2023-05-27 17:57
Not a single word about Spinx being sold as a contributory factor. What in the FUCK is this piece of shit article?
2023-05-27 18:02
2 replies
And Hades, Sunpayus had his contract done so they probably paid 0 and nertz buyout should be low.
2023-05-27 18:28
1 reply
#256
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Finland inshallah
hades' contract was terminated, no one bought him out
2023-05-27 19:54
noobs in hltv don't know ence has been profitable for years, this is not fluke or money laundering idiots, they are actual org who takes care of finances
2023-05-27 18:04
1 reply
ENCE recorded its best-ever year financially in 2022. The company reported over €4 million in revenue for the year — a €1.4 million increase from its previous record in 2019 —, of which over €0.9 million came in net profit, a substantial improvement compared to previous years (€169,000 in 2021 and a €223,000 loss in 2020).
2023-05-27 18:19
Stonks
2023-05-27 18:05
#206
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Afghanistan Pewpo
ence should buyout faze, and let the faze players get out of that scummy org.
2023-05-27 18:06
Finally good news from orgs
2023-05-27 18:12
ENCE goated org
2023-05-27 18:20
#214
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Finland Tusku
nice
2023-05-27 18:23
yes via match fixing
2023-05-27 18:25
orgs going bankrupt left and right and ence be like "can you hold my massive dong for a second i gotta report my 1 million dollar profits"
2023-05-27 18:44
4 replies
Yup shady af
2023-05-27 18:47
3 replies
#259
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Finland inshallah
lol, ence literally have finnish esports monopoly, of course they can make profit when they dont spend a lot and they have big sponsors
2023-05-27 19:58
#272
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Finland Nurtsi
Shady? MF's just cant do finances as well :D
2023-05-27 20:15
how is it shady when these are legit the numbers they presented to the tax office, corruption basically doesn't exist so there is no point in lying
2023-05-27 22:12
Lmao sure
2023-05-27 18:46
1 reply
its legit, these are the numbers they presented to the tax office which get released every year.
2023-05-27 22:12
Probably money laundering
2023-05-27 18:47
Ez
2023-05-27 18:53
Very impressive
2023-05-27 19:22
EZ4ENCE
2023-05-27 19:23
Mby Allu knew that destroying the Finnish roster would get him more money in the long run. 5Head
2023-05-27 19:24
Smart finns)))
2023-05-27 19:45
#251
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India MrP!ng
An esports org making big profits? Book checks pls
2023-05-27 19:51
1 reply
books checked by finnish tax office, these are the numbers they submitted to them
2023-05-27 22:40
Not bad but i make more
2023-05-27 19:56
Expected of finnish org <3
2023-05-27 19:58
#265
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Denmark Danny D3
Congratulations to everyone involved with the org. I like the team quite a bit too, even though they've been in a rough spot lately.
2023-05-27 20:06
#268
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Algeria Zawwy
Pretty sure they had a deal if Spinx gets a trophy with vitality or major vitality will pay some $ and %percentage off their prize to ENCE.
2023-05-27 20:12
1 reply
this was 2022 revenue, spinx winning major hasn't contributed anything to this amount here
2023-05-27 22:11
#271
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Finland Teukkasd
nice ence !
2023-05-27 20:14
999k from spinx
2023-05-27 20:53
Watch and learn fake t1 orgs like faze and others
2023-05-27 20:55
#281
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Europe nekker
common ence win
2023-05-27 21:04
Every org is always trying to one up their competitors. ENCE is paving a new path and a new direction for eSports as a whole. Other orgs should start doing the same
2023-05-27 21:07
18 replies
+1 Don't give too high paychecks and start academy projects which are in a long-term profitable by selling players to other orgs or promote players to main roster
2023-05-27 21:44
17 replies
#303
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Poland bigmilk01
if you want to be a title contender you need to have good players in the lineup so it's obvious you have to pay more to this players.
2023-05-27 22:09
14 replies
ENCE has good enough players to win events. It's all about playing up to their potential. Money doesn't always solve everything.
2023-05-27 22:14
13 replies
#308
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Poland bigmilk01
of course. they have a really strong lineup. all they had to do is remove snappi from this lineup and then it's gonna be much easier to finally achieve something
2023-05-27 22:15
12 replies
Vitality and FaZe have Apex and karrigan and they are doing fine. I would argue that -maden to someone else would make ENCE better.
2023-05-27 22:17
11 replies
#310
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Poland bigmilk01
because apex and karrigan are tops IGLs in the world, how many trophies snappi have? and also 32 years old
2023-05-27 22:18
10 replies
karrigan is also 32 years old and apex like 29 or something. And your point was? ENCE roster was the first time when Snappi actually has solid roster, not just some individual player that is good.
2023-05-27 22:21
9 replies
#312
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Poland bigmilk01
And my point is that if you have 32 years old, playing tier1 cs for many years and still have won 0 trophies than it's time to retire. you're just not good enough. people talking how good snappi is from the results from the previous year when they had some good runs from time to time but now they're playing super bad cs. I mean t side calls and many more
2023-05-27 22:23
8 replies
#313
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Poland bigmilk01
ence have so much good quality in the players that I believe they can be still that good or even better than under Snappi leadership
2023-05-27 22:28
It's funny how everyone always blaims igls, if teams doesn't succeed. Never heard of anti-strats and scouting opponents tendencies? Just saying that igl isn't always the problem, having good gameplans and good anti-strats give you the edge over your opponent
2023-05-27 22:31
6 replies
#316
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Poland bigmilk01
if you can win only 3 t rounds in BO3 vs NIP on the fucking major then it is definitely the problem. t side calls were always the problem for ence under snappi leadership. dude can't call t side rounds. like zero ideas, zero. running and dying.
2023-05-27 22:40
5 replies
#319
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Poland bigmilk01
if they don't win in Dallas I hope it''s going to be Snappi last tournament
2023-05-27 22:41
they were tilted at that point and didn't play as a team. earlier in the tournament they put up 9 T-rounds vs Vita, 11 vs Faze and even 8 vs NIP. they didn't look like the same team that played in the challengers and that happends to all teams. no team can perform to their best level 100% of the time
2023-05-27 22:43
3 replies
#321
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Poland bigmilk01
I don't care they were tilted or not. They always suck playing on t side and that's nothing new.
2023-05-27 22:45
2 replies
tell me 1 team that consistently has good T-sides. almost no team does nowadays as the game is so CT heavy that even if u win 11 rounds on T-side u probably won't win the game.
2023-05-27 22:47
1 reply
#325
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Poland bigmilk01
you mean ct-side? if you can't close the game winning 11 to 4 on t side then you need to disband
2023-05-27 23:09
which players from the academy have ence sold or promoted?
2023-05-28 15:09
1 reply
They haven't sold any of the players. It's long-term project with different phases involved. It's not all about training how to shoot. It involves media, school, mental coaching etc so if player isn't good enough he has route to go back to school or something like that. So the academy is extremely comprehensive.
2023-05-28 17:21
natu hustlin' like a champ, love to see it
2023-05-27 21:34
I think the biggest problem in the scene right now is that some orgs are working in the red to have expensive rosters with big salaries. And when they do thiis they inflate the salaries of the players and they create an environment where the only way you win titles is if you work in the red because you have to pay crazy salaries otherwise the best players arent coming to your team. Just look at FAZE CLAN last year, they won a lot of titles working in the red. And if I remember correctly they won a title AGAINST ence in the finals. This is the best example of a org that works in the red (salaries + ropz cost 1million euros) getting a title from a team that works in the green
2023-05-27 23:29
proud to be Finnish
2023-05-27 23:47
1 reply
#337
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Europe kuu1
1 million bucks is almost 400 AKs. Is that enough?
2023-05-28 04:42
#332
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Reunion caMsTar_^
Ez4ence music royalties
2023-05-27 23:58
not really surprising, way ence is, is really what smaller orgs should aspire to be. Relatively small expenses but still being able to compete with the best, only natural that eventually the profit will come. Ofc all of this is easier said than done but org like GL would rn have chance to write similar story after their initial success.
2023-05-28 03:50
didn't they retire from starcraft and some other game, for profit?
2023-05-28 06:41
3 replies
They retired from pubg. And Natu has stated that they will not enter to esports where they dont see business value. So it was pretty clear that they would turn to profit at some point. They dont compete with huge salaries (that is why they lost Spinx). They make smart moves and thats it.
2023-05-28 11:32
2 replies
Is it confirmed that Spinx left because of the salary? Because I doubt he left because of that, more like because of opportunity to play with 2-time top1 player, two legendary danish players and have a better shot at winning titles, which ofc now is true. Ofc Vitality most probably also provides better salary, but it's hard to believe that Spinx is that type of guy who made the decision because of the numbers.
2023-05-28 13:42
1 reply
At least in other professional sports people usually go where they pay better. I'm pretty sure Vitaly is giving much better money because Spinx's value went up after succeeding individually in Ence. I have no proof but i would not be suprised if he is getting x2 what he got in Ence.
2023-05-28 17:24
Having esports teams is retarded. So little potential upside for so much effort, vs general businesses
2023-05-28 07:11
How much is sticker money tho? I'm curious. Is it rly THAT big? If its true imagine how fkn rich bNE's players rn
2023-05-28 08:46
I guess ez for ence lol
2023-05-28 10:46
Very well run org. you have to say, really cool team, overall just very likeable team and org., respect ENCE and GL further.
2023-05-28 15:21
And they have an academy. gg guys
2023-05-28 15:31
#357
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Poland paputekk
EZ4ENCE EZEZ
2023-05-28 16:55
Almost as if companies which are run by smart people that understand the esports ecosystem and are not just overzealous egocentric entrepreneurs, Z-tier celebrities or sportsball people, are more likely to do well. Shocker!
2023-05-29 14:55
1 reply
#370
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Puerto Rico JasminLee
yeah, Italy crying for money from other EU countries prove how smart you are with making profits
2023-05-29 23:58
Having a good stick + sell good players = profit. Also, Ence seems to be a very well organized org.
2023-05-29 14:56
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