paiN join fight for FalleN with FURIA - Report

6/6/2023 - 21:35

The Brazilian veteran has interest from his region's two highest-ranked teams.

paiN have entered into informal discussions with Gabriel "⁠FalleN⁠" Toledo and are exploring the possibility of adding the 32-year-old sniper to their roster, though no official bid has been made as of yet and talks are still in early stages.

The information was reported by Dust2.com.br, and follows in the wake of a report from Game Arena that revealed FURIA had also expressed interest in the Brazilian sniper. FURIA co-owner Andre Akkari confirmed that a meeting with FalleN was to follow in the next two weeks, with at least two parties now interested in securing the veteran captain's services.

Interest in FalleN is blooming ahead of the tournament break

FalleN confirmed in an upcoming interview with Dust2.com.br that paiN is one of the possibilities for a future move, but that nothing is confirmed as of yet. The publication added that both parties have mutual interest in each other, but FalleN still has to meet with FURIA before anything further is decided. FalleN previously played for paiN's Crossfire team from 2013-2014, and is no stranger to the organization.

paiN's interest in FalleN is also a means of protection as the organization think they may lose players due to the transfer market, with some of their members already being the target of early talks. The organization currently have Romeu "⁠zevy⁠" Rocco on their books as a sniper, having acquired him just under a year ago for a hefty 325,000€ buyout.

Imperial, in turn, are working to retain FalleN and are aligned with him in a vision to "create a lasting relationship to further popularize our sport that we love so much." Dust2.com.br stated that the organization retaining FalleN is "real possibility", with Imperial adding the following:

"We are in a period of much market speculation and it is natural that all this attention is generated around FalleN. He represents a lot within the market, he is an idol. The Brazilian market wants and needs news and we are working to innovate."

But how does this affect lebron's legacy?

2023-06-06 21:35

9 replies

LeMickey has no legacy after getting swept by a fat Serbian

2023-06-06 21:53

6 replies

Dumbest take

2023-06-06 21:58

2 replies

nt lebum

2023-06-06 22:23

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kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

2023-06-07 02:51

Would of helped if they had a big center.. it's all this team need, a solid center and they would of won

2023-06-06 23:29

aka best player in the league

2023-06-06 23:46

LeMickey ICANT

2023-06-07 01:00

pippen & worm better

2023-06-06 22:25

Lesweep James

2023-06-06 23:08

rofl

this is war

Triple-Faced Toledo

2023-06-06 22:18

wtf

I understand why Furia would risk a move like that, Art seems kinda tilted with the way the team is going and they clearly are seeking deeper changes on how the team works and there aren't many brazilians that are up to this, maybe someone like zews (coach) could do it as well but it's not like he's doing any better than Fallen anyways (another option would be an international coach which I would honestly prefer but doesn't look like they are even considering it). But for pain it doesn't make any sense, they just came from a resoanably good semester with Biguzera doing suprisingly well as an IGL, even tho he has been on it for less than an year and they just spent a fortune to bring Zevy, which sure, he hasn't been perfoming as well as they wished, specially against top 20 teams but he is still young and I doubt they would be able to sell him now. There is absolutely no reason to make a big and risky change now, I can only imagine this is an org interest to get some of Fallen's fanbase and attention before he retires but in the team's competitive perspective, this makes no sense at all

2023-06-07 00:19

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fallen is washed up instead get zevy

2023-06-07 03:37

Pain dont need anyone..They just need to believe in themselves, Pain is the next Furia, Furia is already on decline

2023-06-07 03:46

Pretty much

2023-06-07 04:42

if fallen would go to pain who is out? if its Zevy then furia should definitely go for -saffee +zevy saffee just about isnt good enough awper for tier 1

2023-06-07 20:57

honestly cant see much diference between Saffe and Zevy, I still think Saffee is a bit more reliable than Zevy and already has the chemistry with the rest of the team, on the other hande Zevy is younger and still has some potential to improve. but yeah, dont think that change would means much to Furia

2023-06-07 21:59

Watafak fighting for fallen Coach?

Fallen is a young talent

2023-06-07 18:12

-try +fallen do it 9z

2023-06-06 21:36

2023-06-06 22:14

2023-06-06 22:19

try is better than fallen nowadays and will kill communications in spanish. Fan or hater of 9z? KEKW

2023-06-06 22:29

youtube.com/watch?v=YbZXVgtP3nM

2023-06-06 22:47

this is gold

2023-06-07 03:08

Finished player

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netherlads, kekw

2023-06-06 23:47

CRUC1AL > FalleN

2023-06-06 23:48

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you don't even believe that.

2023-06-07 02:17

He is telling the truth

2023-06-07 06:24

Fallen a Legend but finished. He can't make his team win a tournament. It's like thinking Neymar can you make you win a tournament at this point - other than that home olympics under23 tournament, Neymar is gonna LEAD brazil to a major tournament win. same with fallen

2023-06-07 15:51

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fallen > vitality KAKAKAKAKAKA

2023-06-07 19:24

Very happy that fallen beat vitality today. But he cannot Lead imperial to win blast premier spring final, unfortunately.

2023-06-07 19:33

And do you think that cruc1al can lead itb win something? Lmao

2023-06-07 19:44

Omegalullllllll

2023-06-07 11:49

Doesn’t make him any less right.

2023-06-07 09:15

,+1

2023-06-07 01:27

sadly i need to agree

2023-06-07 05:37

Brazil has insane transfer fees for players that are barely known

2023-06-06 21:37

23 replies

fallen is literally one of the biggest igl's in cs, but if you're also referring to lucaozy I agree

2023-06-06 21:47

Think he refers to zevy in the article

2023-06-06 21:50

Yeah, but lucaozy is also a good example

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325k euro for zevy is wild

2023-06-06 23:30

it's crazy to pay that for an inexperienced young man.

2023-06-07 01:46

At least he plays pretty good imo for a rookie:o if they bought him and he flopped could of been one of the worst buyout in cs history..

2023-06-07 05:54

yes, he is good but he needs to develop more. in my opinion the scenario would be favorable if no changes were made and if they decided to migrate and play in europe, acquiring the ''way'' of tier 1 and 2, after all by playing there they can actually enter the meta and build their game around it. Otherwise, the same thing will happen as the saffee that was good in that core, but the Furia team is complicated for several reasons, so it could even end the psychological and consequently the career...

2023-06-07 22:30

Even Brazil Premier League have some matches with viewership better than some t1 events occasionally, that’s why..

2023-06-06 21:54

Yeah I assumed the fanbase was the reason, but even then is zevy really worth half the buyout of m0nsesy for example

2023-06-06 21:56

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Of course he doesn’t worth it But our scene has a peculiar characteristic We’re mostly closed in national teams You don’t see often BR players joining EU teams and vice versa This creates a parallel market

2023-06-06 22:08

So Gaules has succeeded, he has always work super hard to make sure BR is cut off from the rest of CSGO world by a constant us vs them narrative. Just to sure up his own income. We will never understand…

2023-06-07 09:21

this never happened, what happened was just the fact that BR's were just forgotten by the organizers, or do you think we would have had an amjor here without Gaules? you make fun of everything you lay eyes on, you only live from that, because you are sitting and comfortable with your fat asses in your parents' houses or in your "good houses", being a pro-player, commentator, narrator there is easy, half none of you would even be on the forum if you were born here, that's the fact, but relax, it's not like I was trying to convince you, because you'll never understand anyway.

2023-06-07 12:38

The Gaules power is strong in this one. I guess the sport culture in BR just works this way, it’s really black and white, love one team, HATE every other team. So it’s understandable that follows in to CSGO as well. Events in other places have fans cheering for good CS, BR fans doesn’t care, it’s your teams and then boo all others. I’m not making fun of anything, I’m calling what I see, and it’s pretty obvious. The good houses bs I don’t get though, you trying to justify jackass behavior by the fact that ppl come from hard upbringings? You don’t have to keep the hood, break the cycle and be better!

2023-06-07 14:54

I try to be better every day, not better than anyone else, but better than myself yesterday. I'm not getting into the merit of changing, I'm showing the reality of my country, our side of the coin. You say "putting us against you" wow, look what you're saying, do you seriously think that Paris was better than Rio? you say we don't cheer, it's the opposite of that, we cheer for Heroic, we cheer for MouZ, we cheer for JAME and company, among others, we just don't cheer all the time because not all hours/days are easy to be able to go to the stadium, and I'm not justifying what happened at the fanfest either, I also thought it was wrong, the thing is that you make it a much bigger thing than to ridicule, since you don't even know what it's like to be here. How many times has the audience been quiet outside when we've been fine? How many times did the celebration not come with our own? it may not be you, and I'm not going to generalize, even because you seem like a good person, but unfortunately that exists man. summary, I am not justifying anyone, nor trying to cover the sun with a sieve, it is reality, unfortunately.

2023-06-07 15:29

Many fair points. I just get a feeling that Gaules tries to create a divide rather than unite the community, I get it from his side, he makes massive bank by having all BR fans watch him and not being a part of the greater community. But from a CSGO point of view it’s not a good thing. I hope your team doesn’t destroy itself by picking up Fallen. They should go back to their own style that has worked imo.

2023-06-07 16:22

Don’t this is this but just the language barrier

2023-06-07 17:13

the reason is stupidty and nothing else. Players sign dumb contracts in Brazil.

2023-06-06 22:31

As long as the players also get the bag (and not just orgs tossing money from one pocket to another), the contracts are not that stupid

2023-06-06 22:37

They dont.

2023-06-06 22:38

They don’t? They get paid good money in dollars which are way more valuable than our own currency.

sharks and furia are delusional with his buyouts

2023-06-06 21:57

its because there are a limited ammount of brazilian players, and brazilians orgs are 99 percent made of brazilian players. Its not like in europe where you have a bigger talent pool and everyone speaks english.

2023-06-07 00:08

there are 2 possibilities, either they are unknown to you or they are just aspirants, but for sure I already knew everyone who transferred. that's why #94 is correct, just a geographical issue that ends up interfering more in this case

2023-06-07 12:41

Lmao why they try to get washed fallen arent there any good br awper ?

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Unfortunately not

2023-06-06 21:41

The main reason why teams want fallen is for his igling and support, which are tier 1.

2023-06-06 21:42

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It's not. You're delusional if you think it is.

2023-06-06 21:43

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What's the point of trying to catch him by his awp? He couldnt keep even 1.00 rating in liquid and imperial Hen1, nqz, saffee, zevy... They are all better awpers

2023-06-06 21:45

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His awping is even worse than his igling and support, yes That doesn't mean it's still not trash and nowhere near tier 1 though.

2023-06-06 21:46

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His support and igling are still tier 1, this isnt a matter of opinion The fact that liquid tried to keep him on the team and even G2 went after him when they were already top 3 in the world proves that.

2023-06-06 21:49

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His support and igling aren't tier 1, and you just made all of that up.

2023-06-06 21:51

I dont know about liquid part but am 99% sure about G2. After they lost stockholm major to navi. Fallen never did say which team he refused to join in order to make the imperial project happen. But it takes two and two to say it was G2.

2023-06-06 22:26

fallen himself spoke, liquid tried to keep him as IGL but he refused to form "last dance"

2023-06-07 02:04

Raving apek fan detected

2023-06-07 01:48

I literally proved what I said fallen igling and support >>> his awping

also, as #73 said, fallen is one of the players with highest flash assists per round in the game this was said and shown a lot when he was on liquid.

2023-06-07 02:09

isnt tier 1 bro, lets be real. even fer was better than fallen on imperial... a lot of bad decisions, and missed shots

>bad decisions and missed shots youre talking about his awp playing, and I said about his igling and support, lmao

2023-06-07 02:06

2023-06-07 02:08

No it isn't (not even close).

2023-06-06 22:27

>Liquid tried to keep him as IGL >G2 tried to buy him >#73

2023-06-07 02:07

"His support and igling are still tier 1, this isnt a matter of opinion" Maybe 3 years ago, but today? Nah, good enough for t2, but not t1.

2023-06-06 22:36

yes, G2 and liquid are wrong, but "s0me_dude" is right

“Support isn’t tier 1” Fallen is one of the players with highest flash assists per round in the game even now. once a good support you dont lose this skill, even more if youre the IGL and decides where you gonna play dude. lol this isnt debatable. now, you may say that his IGL skills arent tier 1 anymore. maybe youre right but he got to the legends stage with boltz, VINI and fnx in the team so im willing to give him another chance lol

"He got to legends with VINI which is easily a top 5 Brazilian player, boltz that's actually somewhat decent and fnx in the team" also no matter which filter I try there's no Fallen anywhere hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?startD..

2023-06-06 22:03

VINI isn’t a top 5 player. Wtf? Not even at that time. Boltz is washed since 2019

2023-06-06 22:07

You're so delusional it's insane. No point in replying anymore tbh

2023-06-06 22:32

dude youre dumb as hell even latto is better than boltz

2023-06-07 02:10

Imagine watching this Vitality x Imperial game and don’t thinking Fallen support isn’t tier 1 anymore 😂 He’s had 11 flash assists in one half. He’s not just a tier 1 support but probably still one of the best of them

2023-06-07 17:15

hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?startD.. Click in opp flashed.

2023-06-06 22:11

This isn't 2022.

Fallen didnt play much tier1 games in 2023.

Exactly. And even then his stats are nowhere near good.

2023-06-06 22:54

hltv.org/stats/players/flashbangs?startD..

2023-06-06 22:58

you dont know how to search on hltv stats.... put all time, and top 20, fallen is the number four, and the best Diff of the entire list

2023-06-06 22:12

All time does not matter though. We're talking about right now. At the moment he's nowhere near tier 1 in anything.

Vini top 5 lmaoooo ... U are dumb my friend

2023-06-07 11:56

No, main reason is the fanbase that comes with him

2023-06-07 07:24

Obviously but most people fail to understand this I guess. Fallen may not be a t1 player anymore but he has a huge following and should be good enough if the other members of the team are top level.. at least for now. He is also very respected in Brazil by almost all players, which can be a good thing. The amount of fans that he has bring money from merchandise and sponsorships to the orgs he is playin. Esports teams are not charities. They are in it for the money…

2023-06-07 09:27

Obviously

2023-06-07 20:27

The only goof awper in try, the rest has the same performance againt tier 1 and tier 2 as fallen

2023-06-07 19:45

FURIA should be trying to get biguzera from paiN, but instead we have both paiN and FURIA trying to get FalleN.

furia +fallen + bigu

2023-06-06 21:38

pog

No sense

Yes -art +biguzera -saffee +hen1/nqz -drop +dumau/insani/skullz

HEN1 LUL hahahahahah

he is performing fine nowadays, take a look

2023-06-07 02:05

Hen1 is a Monster

2023-06-07 11:57

Edit: Sorry, wrong comment :D

Well I think Liquid might be looking into Biguzera and that's why they're in search for an IGL. Unfortunately there aren't that many good ones in Brazil, hence the +Fallen move.

2023-06-06 22:44

Exactly. But they don't want fallen for his skills, it's for his fanbase that comes with him

2023-06-07 07:26

Ok wtf falleN calling like 2016.

2023-06-07 18:45

whoever gets fallen is the one losing lol

i thought he was retiring after imperial?

thought so too..

2023-06-06 21:39

He said it, but now he has some better oppurtunities for his career... Maybe he can accept it before retiring...

2023-06-06 21:40

He has plans to play two years in cs2 at least..he said this in Blast's interview for the upcoming event

oh good, more FalleN POVs to watch

Maybe his fiancée agreed to let him play a bit more 😂

there's nothing for FalleN there. But this can be something else, like Imperial disband. Will be expensive to maintain this roster without FalleN.

if FURIA are smart they let paiN get Fallen and they snatch biguzera

wth would they do that?

because biguzera is a much better rifler than art and has had more success than fallen lately

art is a entry bro , cant really compare both. still , art calling is much better than bigu

idk but i kind of agree, i like fallen but he is retiring soon, this give me insecure in a long term scenario...

2023-06-06 22:46

Maybe Liquid are looking at Biguzera? idk. I can't see Liquid being good with Yekindar as an IGL honestly.

falleN doesnt even have to negotiate to get best pay when teams are fighting to sign him? paiN got zevyce though, he aint bad at all

He’s bad against tier 1

2023-06-06 21:59

bro why change pains line-up ? wtf

zevy not ready for tier 1

No please Pain have good players but only furia has kscerato

Bruh why is everyone after 1.02 rating AWPer ? FalleN is way past his 2015-2018 form

Probably because they seek the IGLing ? ( Imo he is kinda outdated here top but can't be worse than arT lately ...) Imo his best place would be a team where he focus on sniping and his crosshair and DM's back to relevancy, with a few secondary calling

"Imo his best place would be a team where he focus on sniping and his crosshair and DM's back to relevancy, with a few secondary calling" Remember Liquid ? Didn`t work well cuz he missed easy shots during important rounds

He was IGLing and Liquid had an awful atmosphere thanks to Crybaby2k

Biggest fans base.

2023-06-06 22:13

The fanbase/viewership

2023-06-07 07:27

bruh he bad why add him bruh

2 best Brazilian teams are fighting for him and he is 32 years old. Respect

Furia >>>>>> Pain

Fighting for a washed player lmao

Please no. Fallen to FURIA so he can do his real last dance with top players

2023-06-06 21:44

PLEASE FALLEN TO FURIA

nah, pain aint topping that furia $

PaiN is richer…

2023-06-06 22:00

kek

2023-06-06 23:18

"He represents a lot within the market, he is an idol" ok so you guys are focusing on merch, not your team development?

Exactly that

2023-06-07 07:29

when it's this obvious, there's no point denying it

2023-06-07 10:23

Pain should only do this if Zevy is heading somewhere else, and I don't think thats the case.

i dont get it fallen hinted his retirement 100000 times he's still an okay player but his IGLing does not seem to work anymore why fight for him? i could see him as a good coach though

fallen 2018: just 3 more years fallen 2021: my last chance on liquid 💪 fallen 2022: literally last dance later i'm retiring 🧓 fallen 2023: open to offers 🧑‍🦳

2023-06-06 22:05

Fallen 2023: i gonna play 2 more years on cs2 at least.

fallen to pain and zevy to furia pls

2023-06-06 21:52

saffe to ODDIK

2023-06-07 02:36

Brazilian teams have given up on winning tournaments they just want tribo support and media

They never got close to winning one anyway.

2023-06-06 22:15

Yes 🍷🗿

2023-06-07 07:31

Furia trying to change I think it makes sense, but Pain is literally at her best moment in history. It makes no sense to change anything in the team right now. There is always a chance to change and improve, but the opposite can happen too.

This type of public text also creates a lot of insecurities in the team. Horrible move.

2023-06-07 00:49

Why would they replace a wonderkid with a lot of talent that they paid 300k€ on (zevy) with a washed awper with negative rating against T2. Makes no sense lol

Fallen +4 sometimes it's hard to understand the thinking different from yours <3

Fighting for washed up fallen lmao

2023-06-06 22:02

32 year old talent is wanted by the 2 best BR teams, that's actually crazy, and honestly he is still decent so I can understand it.

lol imagine fighting for washed player with negative rating against t3 br teams

retired on activity

Going to FURIA is the best move, but they need a solid 5th player there. The ideal world would be +fer too but this may be out of reach so at least +VINI back would be pretty decent. The down side is we maybe gonna see them one of the academy bot who’s gonna do nothing. Now If falleN goes to PaiN, this is an interesting move. Zevy isn’t ready for tier 1, that’s a fact. He lacks no only of skill but game IQ. FalleN is far from his prime but experience can be the key here. Do they stick with biguzera calling? Do they change another piece? I don’t think they need to. Their least skilled player, NEKIZ is the best BR entry right now. Anyway, I hope to see fallen playing with yuurih and KSCERATO at least for a few months… who knows what they could achieve together

Brazil scene - two top organizations fithing for cs grandpa that should retire

2023-06-06 22:06

they wanna sign him just because PR and his followers right? cuz he aint a good player anymore and will retire soon

Yep

2023-06-07 07:32

fallen isnt worth

unbelievable that they're basically fighting over a has-been.

Fallen is a Goat IGL contender, not surprised at all

very interesting, but fallen needs to play with ks and yurih, it's a golden opportunity that should have happened years ago

FalleN go to Furia or stay on Imperial.

2023-06-06 22:16

FURIA: art, yuurih, ksc, fallen (igl), fer PAIN: hardzao, biguzera (igl), skullz, saffee, nekiz MIBR: Hen1, brnz4n, exit (igl), insani, lucaozy 00NATION: Coldzera (igl), dumau, latto, chelo, jota FLUXO: Felps, TACO (igl), zevy, vsm, boltz PLANO: Venomzera, VINI, drop, kngV (igl), decenty LEFTOVERS: Wood7 (igl), n9xtz, t9rnay, tuurtle, nqz idk, im just playing wondering what would be good.

2023-06-06 22:22

time to retire

Unexpected drama. And boltz is still overlooked. Fallen is clearly overrated. Imperial isn't in contention for the title of the best team in SA, while SA scene is in a crisis

2023-06-06 22:28

Pls don't change Pain

Furia I can sort of understand, Fallen isn't his old self but is still one of the most experienced and best callers in Brazil. With Art's over-aggressive style failing for years now and Saffee not working out it makes sense they wanna switch up... but Pain have looked great and Zevy's AWP is a big reason why. I don't see what bringing Fallen in does for them? Unless the plan is to have Fallen IGL with a rifle but he would probably be dreadful on the scoreboard

this is not real life

2023-06-06 22:35

FalleN lost the timing to retire as a legend. Sad to see him go washed.

2023-06-06 22:41

no pls

2023-06-06 22:45

What? WHy?

MIBR next

2023-06-06 22:53

O PLANO

2023-06-06 23:09

odd

2023-06-06 23:03

LosOne.Fallen

No way fallen would choose pain over furia. I know he’s old but I would love to see what he can still do with a better team than the one he is on right now

2023-06-06 23:22

The one thing is that PAIN are based in NA, that could be a reason for him to move there since he wants to be more with his wife. Ik furia are aswell but they got to many more bootcamps to Europe than Pain

2023-06-07 01:37

Best BR awper

2023-06-06 23:56

super team when

2023-06-07 00:02

Fallen 5 years past his prime: i'm going to retire soon Furia: we didn't want you 2 years ago, but now that we're dogshit lets sign a guy on the verge of retirement Pain: we don't actually need him, but fuck it

2023-06-07 00:20

Let's see who pays more! It's obvious he's just playing for the money anyway

2023-06-07 00:24

Fight 4 useless player TF

2023-06-07 00:53

Furia has way more money and established players, pain has potential, if fallen goes to furia he’s after money, if he goes to pain he wants to help the br scene grow even more

2023-06-07 01:10

Actually paiN is richer than FURIA, they are a established eSports org for over a decade now, while FURIA started in 2017

2023-06-07 05:16

That must mean forze is the richest esport team in cs because they’ve been around since 2001

2023-06-08 02:04

why do they want the lemonhead?

2023-06-07 01:32

Why? Pain have such a good young team and Fallen is way past his prime. Fallens favourite call on liquid was bait grim and whiff.

2023-06-07 01:38

the last last dance

2023-06-07 03:00

He already did his second last dance, now it’s his last one for real. Maybe this dance last 5 more years

2023-06-07 03:24

last one for real until the next one

2023-06-07 03:44

retirement plans scrapped, i guess

Pain is doing this just to make Furia pay more for him 😂 goat move

2023-06-07 07:34

pain > furia

2023-06-07 08:16

32yo no problem for fallen he still goin

2023-06-07 09:06

Furia Fallen would be so cool, but I have a worrying feeling that we are gonna get PaiN Fallen and then maybe Furia Zevy.

2023-06-07 11:39

why do they even want him

2023-06-07 15:32

I'm Brazilian, please don't get me wrong but this is the perfect time for him to retire make those shitty teams with their shitty players learn and be better, Fallen is a legend of the game but we ain't going back to the top with him, sorry toddles

2023-06-07 18:57

+1 most lucid thing I have listen

2023-06-07 19:40

-maj3r +fallen eternal fire tier 1 team

2023-06-07 19:09