groove: "We have some problems because we have a lot of stars and a lot of voices"

Cloud9's coach says the team needs time to find the right balance with their star-studded roster before they can meet expectations.

groove discusses growing pains after making two star additions to Cloud9

Ever since Ilya "⁠Perfecto⁠" Zalutskiy and Denis "⁠electroNic⁠" Sharipov made the shock switch to Cloud9 in the summer break, the community has been brimming with expectations of the stacked roster.

So far, though, the new "superteam" has been well off the mark in terms of battling for titles. Cloud9 placed in the top six at IEM Cologne and the top eight at Gamers8, unable to challenge two of the world's best teams, Vitality and ENCE.

In an interview ahead of their next campaign at ESL Pro League kicking off on Wednesday, Cloud9's coach, Konstantin "⁠groove⁠" Pikiner, discussed why meeting the high expectations has been difficult in the short time the team has had together.

"Yes, it's a really good team, but I understand that we changed the captain, which means a lot of changes in our playstyle," the coach explained. "electroNic is pretty much an experienced guy who has his own vision of the game. We are restructuring a lot of things because we have a new captain and his new vision of the game, and we are trying to move mostly towards his vision."

The growing pains do not end with just the changes in leadership, as finding the balance with such a stacked lineup has not been easy, according to groove. "We have some problems because when you are creating such a roster with a lot of stars, we have a lot of voices and a lot of opinions. HObbit and sh1ro assisted nafany with shotcalling before, now electroNic, also Perfecto. Sometimes it's [easier] to have one or two star players and make a very good team. In this scenario, I think we need time to find the balance."

"That's why I understand we will not become really good in a short period," groove went on, pointing out that the team has not played as many officials as they would have liked with the whole lineup because Sergey "⁠Ax1Le⁠" Rykhtorov could not be with them at their first event, IEM Cologne, until the playoffs due to visa issues.

groove says Cloud9 are moving mostly towards electroNic's vision of the game

Upon the 21-year-old's return Cloud9 went on to lose to Vitality in the quarter-finals in Germany in their defacto debut with the new lineup. Since then they have only played Gamers8, where they beat fnatic handily and got obliterated by ENCE in the single elimination bracket, and the online BLAST Showdown qualifier.

In the three LAN matches he has played so far in the new season, 2022's fourth-best player, Ax1Le, struggled to find impact with an average 0.88 rating. groove says this is a result of a changing playstyle with which Cloud9 are still coming to grips.

"When you come to restructure about 60-70% of the game, the players who showed their best results can't do it anymore. They have to adapt to the new style. We've spent a lot of time on discussions, not playing but on finding the correct decisions, and that is why sh1ro and Ax1Le can't show their best in my opinion, because they are not fully focused on the game," the coach explains.

"We're still trying to find the correct way to play. Everyone is trying to find their place in the new team. We have a lot of stars, and it's not easy to make such a mechanism work when you changed the captain and made two changes."

Cloud9's LAN match experience will at least double over the course of the next week in Malta, and groove hopes this will help the team understand where they stand and expose what issues they need to keep working on to find that balance. "EPL will be a good experience for us. We will have a lot of matches, so it will be easy. Only after official matches you can fix your problems and you can find them."

"We just want to play and test our tactics, our playstyle. For everyone the [goal is] first place, of course, but now we understand that we have to work really hard because we didn't show the results we expected. Now we are just focusing to show our best. That's it. We know we have to work harder and harder."

Cloud9's campaign in Group D at ESL Pro League Season 18 starts on Wednesday with an opener against Eternal Fire, a rematch from the two teams' close encounter in last weekend's BLAST Showdown qualifier.

Date Matches
ESL Pro League Season 18
Russia Ilya 'Perfecto' Zalutskiy
Ilya 'Perfecto' Zalutskiy
Rating 1.0:
Maps played:
Russia Denis 'electroNic' Sharipov
Denis 'electroNic' Sharipov
Rating 1.0:
Maps played:
Russia Sergey 'Ax1Le' Rykhtorov
Sergey 'Ax1Le' Rykhtorov
Rating 1.0:
Maps played:
2023-09-19 16:10
4 replies
Austria heartheroar
starring roster:
2023-09-19 16:12
3 replies
Australia imissdevvy
chrisJ apEX CadiaN NiKo s1mple
2023-09-19 16:24
2 replies
Cadian? Lol
2023-09-20 09:05
1 reply
Somehow he is a starplayer yes
2023-09-20 09:40
Israel rage2k1990
excuses here we go
2023-09-19 16:12
1 reply
India shoom123
Stop baiting jonty
2023-09-19 16:15
expected tbh
2023-09-19 16:13
1 reply
yeah but they can figure it out and make it work hopefully
2023-09-19 19:26
Reminds me of early FaZe rosters
2023-09-19 16:14
1 reply
Reminds me of the FaZe roster with NiKo as an igl
2023-09-19 16:45
Russia Thf_hwan
Hm... whos groove pointing at? Not elec, hes igl. Not Perfecto he doesnt talk much doing his job. Not Axile hes ashsmed with his performance and sits quiet. Shiro?
2023-09-19 16:21
9 replies
2023-09-19 16:16
1 reply
He should either take the IGLing or shut up then. Especially considering how embarrassing his individual performances have been
2023-09-25 22:34
definitely HObbit.
2023-09-19 16:17
Australia imissdevvy
2023-09-19 16:22
I don't see it. What are you talking about?
2023-09-19 16:28
2023-09-19 16:44
Both shiro and hobbit. Both likes to call stuffs and very often, it doesn't really work. Nafany's back must be hurting atm. He didn't do much (Hobbit's opinion). but at the same time, what Shiro and hobbit calls were mostly dogshit.
2023-09-19 17:05
2 replies
Russia Thf_hwan
Agreed, they as a team need more discipline now. The problem is to find a way to tell a star he should shut up with no offence.
2023-09-19 17:26
1 reply
The coach should be able to tell that
2023-09-19 18:45
France Guilsz
never should've dropped interz
2023-09-19 16:17
6 replies
Peru jrpatriniz
2023-09-19 17:17
Germany Teuton1813
2023-09-19 19:06
Removing interz was an ok move back in the days, i remember quarter final of rio major versus mouz, guy was shaky af and couldnt hit shit, always crumble under the pressure. It was buster addition where cloud9 fucked up, should've go with forester
2023-09-19 19:43
3 replies
France Guilsz
Ik there wasn't good options on the market but you put interz in this team instead of Hobbit and all of a sudden you get rid of a player that talks a lot in game for a stable and solid support allowing elec to call whatever he wants, an even putting Perfecto in some star roles (for me he is the most consistent on this team)
2023-09-20 08:07
2 replies
Just put buster, he is allready on the team and have the same awful stats that interz
2023-09-20 15:02
Poland FUJINxo
2023-09-23 03:06
We have a lot of matches to play . C9 not going 2-0 confirmed from bracket .
2023-09-19 16:21
Australia imissdevvy
Electronic should stfu sh1ro, Hobbot and groove if they want a normal team
2023-09-19 16:23
if you cannot control the team groove then you should be gone, it's your job
2023-09-19 16:24
2 replies
2023-09-19 18:45
+1 We still haven't heard what groove was doing when Nafany complained that too many voices in team speak. And a lot of questionable roster decisions in short period of time.
2023-09-20 00:58
And now navi are cruising through the groups while c9 are struggling against t2 teams😂 who would’ve seen that coming?
2023-09-19 16:25
3 replies
Navi failed To make lay offs at Cologne and destroyed a tier 3 group with a dead team like Faze clan Cloud9 would easily destroy Navi
2023-09-19 16:59
C9 is better than Navi wdym
2023-09-20 07:37
Barbados P0vTr
cruised past 5yclone, apeks which lost to fnatic and 9z, played up to ot on inferno vs m80 and barely won imperial 16-14 16-13. Lastly, they won FaZe which last win vs top 10 team was probably like half a year ago. Lul Ain't saying lul9 are good but lulvi is even worse
2023-09-20 08:30
soo they have the same problem they had in the previous lineup , sh1ro & hobbit should stfu a bit & let electronic build the structure
2023-09-19 16:26
1 reply
broky | 
Sweden iak
2023-09-19 16:59
BOT9 But seriously, I think electronic just isn't a good IGL. Something isn't clicking with him leading, same as in navi.
2023-09-19 16:32
United Kingdom d1zzy_b
2 million dollars for 2 players (only the last 2 of them) all 5 speak the same language they have 3 months together almost crushed by tier 10 electro fire ))))))))))
2023-09-19 16:34
If too many voices, then reduce them. The most obvious candidate to exit is hobbit.
2023-09-19 16:45
Should have kicked Hobbit instead of Nafany
2023-09-19 16:49
3 replies
Estonia m2gs
Then electronic wouldn't have joined C9. He said that he was only willing to join as an IGL.
2023-09-19 16:59
1 reply
And they should have passed on him and let him join EG. There were very few teams in market for very expensive and inexperienced IGL electronic.
2023-09-20 01:00
++++++ extremely unpleasant guy and old player
2023-09-19 17:14
just let elec do the igl sh1ro and hobbit should focus on the game instead
2023-09-19 16:52
Translating to : "We have some problems, because I don't mostly nothing as a coach"
2023-09-19 17:02
Too many cooks in the kitchen, and joke of a coach who cant keep things under control. Cloud9 are going nowhere
2023-09-19 17:16
Lol what a big problem to have many stars!
2023-09-19 17:51
Bermuda Nalax
groove went schizo mode, but that's expected when electronic is IGL
2023-09-19 17:56
1 reply
ahahahaha "those voice in my head won't go away"
2023-09-19 18:34
Makes sense also from the prospective that you used to be one of the best Vertigo teams and now all of a sudden you added two players that never played the map officially. Not only that but they are also different style of players to nafany and buster/interz.
2023-09-19 18:59
1 reply
not really. buster was support anchor, which is what perfecto does, some maps they played diff sites tho. meanwhile electronic was an aggro igl which is what nafany was. the only thing that didn't really fit was the whole nuke/vertigo thing. now if you want to say electronic is a trash IGL that's up for debate, but the roles fit like a glove. and people are acting like C9 is falling apart and bombing out in groups, they lost in playoffs to Vitality and Ence and didn't both of those teams go on to win the event?
2023-09-20 10:01
Too many stars You only have 1 sh1ro dude wtf
2023-09-19 22:16
2 replies
+1 Ax1Le might recover but otherwise electronic and Hobbit are stars only in their heads. Perfecto has been very good but he is not a star.
2023-09-20 01:48
1 reply
well thats the problem, right? both electronic and ax1le are used to being stars, and even hobbit was 3rd best on the team most of the time. big transition for all 3
2023-09-20 08:14
2023-09-19 23:30
TLDR: it was a mistake not to kick Hobbit and get electronic.
2023-09-20 01:01
this lineup was always going to function weirdly tbh, i expected it and im not sure why no one else did
2023-09-20 08:13
This might be an unpopular take, but i think that people are overestimating this C9 roster a lot. Only two of the players in the lineup are in their prime, and that is Shiro and Axile. Perfecto, Electronic and Hobbit have all been on the decline for a while - something that is totally ignored by all experts and fans. When you have three past-their-prime-declining players in a roster, you’ll need a clear leadership, but in C9 you have five huge names. I don’t see them winning many t1 titles tbh
2023-09-20 09:25
1 reply
United Kingdom d1zzy_b
at least they didn't pay much for electronic and perfecto or for the gambit roster
2023-09-20 12:18
Malaysia Rich1eG0h
I think it's HObbit vs electroNic
2023-09-20 10:47
Ukraine Shamanchik
voices in my head
2023-09-20 12:08
United Kingdom d1zzy_b
-electronic +igl
2023-09-20 12:17
space soldiers will destory you in 4 hours
2023-09-20 15:27
Switzerland byfire09
ngl imagine all c9 team in their prime, scary
2023-09-20 17:15
""We have some problems because when you are creating such a roster with a lot of stars, we have a lot of voices " this is the 2nd time in a row they have this problem, what is groove's job? someone has to make a decision on who is the boss
2023-09-20 18:59
1 reply
yeah groove seems cant decide the team vision he seems to let everyone speaking like freedom of speech, not like blade who have very strong structural even s0mple obey what he said
2023-09-21 20:48
Kick hobbit already
2023-09-21 09:19
-electronic +igl
2023-09-23 02:28
-hobbit, should’ve been done when they couldn’t win on lan
2023-09-24 03:49
United States iamZNDR
Bro you’ve had time.
2023-09-24 14:00
2023-09-24 20:52
Login or register to add your comment to the discussion.
Now playing
Thumbnail for stream
United States
3372 viewers
Top streams
United States
United Kingdom
United States
Jogando Junto
United States
the real fer