ropz on CS2: "People who are saying it's unplayable are definitely wrong"

The Estonian rifler is excited for the future in CS2.

FaZe voted to play out the playoffs in CS2

FaZe have been on a downward spiral in recent months. They've exited IEM Rio, BLAST Spring Final, and IEM Cologne in the group stage, and Gamers8 wasn't much better. Robin "⁠ropz⁠" Kool and company were eliminated in the first round of the single-elimination bracket there, and so they flew to Malta uncertain of what to expect.

Their group-stage victories against 9z and fnatic were enough to secure a playoff berth, but the European combine faltered when tested by MOUZ in the championship bracket.

ropz sat down with HLTV after FaZe's loss to share his thoughts on his team's early exit from the EPL playoffs, his career in CS:GO, and the community reaction to CS2.

Commiserations on the loss. First of all, did you expect more from this event?

We definitely expected more. I think we had good preparation. We did a bootcamp between the group stage and the playoffs here, so we spent another extra week in Malta trying to get the best result possible. I feel like we had a complete off-day individually, and things weren't going our way. Especially on Inferno. We lost some rounds that were nearly impossible to lose and they just found the right decision every time in terms of how they played.

The overall feeling in the team was really good after the bootcamp and coming into playoff matches. What's rough, as well, is the fact that it was really hard to find practice during the time we had bootcamp because some teams are playing CS2 and the teams practicing CS:GO are here in the playoffs, so you don't want to scrim them. But I feel like we did well overall, we just didn't get the result.

This is the end of CS:GO. How do you look back at your experience in the game as a whole?

This game completely changed my life. I was just a kid going to school and then I had a chance in FPL and MOUZ picked me up. So yeah, that turned my life upside down for the better. And I think just from the first year I played in MOUZ, I was put into a good environment where I could progress and get the experience that I needed. Over the years I've always felt really good in the teams I've been in and I think that's what made me progress the most.

Overall I'm extremely proud of my career in CS:GO. I've noted down every year that I played in a tier-one team and I've won a tournament each year. I'm really proud of that, that I managed to keep myself relevant. It doesn't matter what we went through, whether it's lineup changes or even changing a team with FaZe, and then going into a slump and winning Pro League this year. I'm just very grateful to my teammates and especially MOUZ. If that didn't happen, I have no idea where I would be.

CS2 will come out soon and you seem like one of the better people to ask. What are your general feelings about this game?

I think there are two ways of seeing this: Some people are saying that it's unplayable, and then some people are saying it's not ready for competition. The game is playable, so the people who are saying it's unplayable are definitely wrong. The game is not ready for competitive matches, but I think going forward with it is the best way to handle it. It obviously needs a lot of work and we don't even know what the meta is going to be with the new changes. With the smokes, open skyboxes, and everything.

So going forward, you kind of have to just force CS2 in a way, you have to force the teams to play CS2 tournaments because that's the best way to speed this whole thing up. Otherwise, if you want to play this year out on CS:GO, then some other stuff might pop up when you start playing CS2 that could have been fixed if it had been forced [earlier]. And, well, it's a new game, people need to be open-minded about it and know that this is going to take some time. It's not going to be perfect from the get-go, it's just about being patient and open-minded.

I saw you joking about the player vote to switch the EPL playoffs to CS2. Can you say anything about that?

I can say FaZe voted for CS2, that's about it. I think most of the teams voted for CS:GO, and again, it's just the open-mindedness. We're very open-minded about CS2 in our team and I think it's also great for the audience and the organizer, for viewership, but CS2 being put in would be rough for the players, so I see the other teams' point.

It's a bit dumb to switch games in the middle of a tournament, so I see their concern, and the integrity of the tournament suffers if you do that. When you come into this tournament you expect to play it out in CS:GO, especially once you play the group stage in it, but I'm glad they did a poll. I think that was the fairest way to do it.

Estonia Robin 'ropz' Kool
Robin 'ropz' Kool
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Slovakia Aghi
2023-09-28 11:16
1 reply
He should have said he disagreed. An opinion based upon perspective can't be "wrong".
2023-10-01 20:09
Poland Astoner55
Agreed. It's playable. Just worse than CSGO at the moment.
2023-09-28 11:17
21 replies
like a lot worse
2023-09-28 11:20
20 replies
Ropz is afraid to work in mcdonalds because FaZe is washed and has no future. Don't listen to him
2023-09-28 11:27
19 replies
Italy Hema
you are a objective user
2023-09-28 11:52
2 replies
crack user maybe
2023-09-28 18:38
1 reply
who is selling here??? terrible withdrawal now
2023-09-29 19:38
Croatia _Coeus
yeah we should just listen to whoever the fuck you are obviously
2023-09-28 12:09
8 replies
except every other relevant pro like s1mple trash this "new" game
2023-09-28 12:12
7 replies
its just a top1 3 times player, not a valued person for this bot above loving garbage2 btw what's in the post? dont wanna turn vpn
2023-09-28 12:36
3 replies
2 replies
lmao im dead, ty
2023-09-28 13:16
1 reply
2023-09-28 13:53
Croatia _Coeus
who the fuck cares about s1mple, the least technicaly(pc) gifted player. i never saw him exploring or explaining why is what what is for what
2023-09-28 13:25
1 reply
#55 read like a book
2023-09-28 13:54
Imagine having a mature reaction to something in CS... Better to mald and cry at every change like normal mens wtfak...
2023-09-28 14:21
He probably has enough money by now to not work anywhere till the rest of his life lol
2023-09-28 12:30
1 reply
tru 2022 his income was 791k euros. not even talking about 2023 when they also won grand slam nd shit.
2023-09-28 14:40
Germany ElyR1uM
People were saying the exact opposite when he was against cs2. Curious.
2023-09-28 12:45
I only read the truth haha, ropz is a pathetic guy, when the game trailer came out he reacted badly to the game, and now he seems desperate in trying to defend the game
2023-09-28 13:03
1 reply
Guy changes his opinion after broadening his perspective - how pathetic. dumdum
2023-09-28 19:00
if faze disbands, ropz will find a new home quickly, still best player of faze lol
2023-09-28 14:37
1 reply
Very true, ropz has a long career in CS2, he is still one of the top riflers in the world and any team would be glad to have him.
2023-09-30 16:13
maybe hes wrong for once
2023-09-28 11:17
Hopefully faze sort out their slump
2023-09-28 11:18
Europe Zwenix
Get fucked haters
2023-09-28 11:18
1 reply
Ropz: "The game is not ready for competitive matches, but I think going forward with it is the best way to handle it. It obviously needs a lot of work"
2023-09-28 13:01
CSGO > rest
2023-09-28 11:19
12 replies
Actually it’s C:SS>CS2>CS:GO>CS1.6>>>CS:CZ
2023-09-28 11:41
8 replies
Italy Hema
cs:s ahahahaha
2023-09-28 11:53
6 replies
Those were the golden days, where you had to use 3. party websites like esl and a thousand console commands to play some kind of „mm“.
2023-09-28 13:14
4 replies
CSS was never better in anything than 1.6 at any point
2023-09-28 13:21
3 replies
Even 1.6 was better
2023-09-28 13:29
For me clicking headshots felt sooo much easier and more satisfying in Source. Same with spraying. I also enjoyed the physics engine and the graphics were unarguably better which does make a difference when u play maps like surf, prisonbreak, bhop, etc.
2023-09-28 14:44
1 reply
CSS is goated for sure. Nostalgia kids just couldn't stop playing 1.6 because it reminded them of being 8 years old and playing CS with their big brother.
2023-09-30 16:15
Oh yes! And do you remember „renting“ servers to play matchmaking? That was the bomb!
2023-09-28 13:16
CS:CZDS tops all and you didn't even mention it...
2023-09-28 15:36
cs:go 2014 > cs:go 2023 > cs 1.6 > super mario > cs2
2023-09-28 13:04
2 replies
gold nova cs>>> brazilian "cs" (more like para-cs)
2023-09-29 21:45
1 reply
Who said anything about cs skill level? we just talk about the game mechanics, and I don't even cheer Brazilian CS
2023-09-30 05:41
Germany phanta_
2faced ropz toledo
2023-09-28 11:20
Nt gaben
2023-09-28 11:22
donk | 
Brunei Im_new
Dude is paid every 2 weeks to say something positive
2023-09-28 11:23
this cs2 is better than the old one
2023-09-28 11:23
2 replies
It's better than CS:Source if that's what you mean
2023-09-28 13:02
1 reply
current CS2 > CS Source > first version of cs2 released
2023-09-28 14:33
Faze voted for cs2 because they have 0 confidence in their cs go lmao
2023-09-28 11:24
2 replies
why would they be confident in a game that doesnt exist anymore ?
2023-09-28 11:50
1 reply
bc they couldve won epl 18 and with that a lot of money if they were good at csgo. instead they just wanted to gamble on cs2
2023-09-30 04:08
playable, but csgo obviously much better rn
2023-09-28 11:25
7 replies
2023-09-28 11:27
broky | 
Serbia iV8Xx
idk if this comparision helps but cs2 beta>>>>csgo beta
2023-09-28 11:29
5 replies
Cs2 beta > cs2
2023-09-28 12:24
4 replies
I didn't understand that
2023-09-28 13:05
3 replies
CS2 beta was better than this current "full release" meaning they took step backs
2023-09-28 13:22
Man, when I go to straife my doll lags and it simply slides if I have straifed it with the A or D key, it continues the movement and the doll continues walking, this didn't happen in the beta Is it like this for you too or is it just here that the feeling of lag in the gameplay got 100% worse from the beta to the final version yesterday?
2023-09-28 18:45
Eu streifo com o A e o D, e quando eu solto uma dessas teclas o personagem simplesmente continua o movimento em vez de só streifar. Tô ficando puto com isso kk
2023-09-28 18:47
Lithuania jakis14
what were the pros saying when they switched from 1.6 or source to csgo, surely the same problem or everyone is just crying that its slightly different and much better gameplay wise (you will see in a few months)
2023-09-28 11:27
10 replies
1.6 Advantages: Vastly superior locational sound. You could hear player's running footsteps from so far away (even through walls) which meant walking around the map was heavily emphasized and encouraged. Good players had to know when to run and when to walk. I especially loved how certain surfaces had a unique sound when running on it, such as on the top of trains or that metal ramp on nuke. I even recall certain players making amazing plays by faking out enemies by running on one surface to make the enemy player think he was in an area where the player really wasn't. Effective and arguably necessary wallbanging which allowed for more creative strategies First bullet accuracy and weapon recoil felt more consistent Quickscoping with the AWP and being able to actually hold down left click and noscope Grenades doing damage through walls (albeit unrealistic) also allowed for creative strategies (like throwing HE nades over skyboxes/walls just to hear if it would hit an enemy to find out his positioning) HE nade damage not being completely negated by a tiny pebble or obstruction on the ground Maps were far more simple and smooth looking with zero clutter and unnecessary "eye candy" (I sorely miss the great one on one AWP battles top players would have on 1.6 train which was a godsend compared to CSGO's version) Movement speed felt perfect. You weren't too fast nor too slow. There was no peeker's advantage. In fact, peeking a dangerous corner could be punished so much easier and was far more risky due to being able to wallbang properly and because HE nade damage could hit through walls. Crouch hopping was also a neat unintended mechanic that good players took advantage of. The small technical skill stuff that casual players didn't know about, like right arm angles I personally thought 1.6's smoke grenades were fine the way they were. One wasn't enough to completely obstruct your view but two or more did the job. I dislike how one good smoke in CSGO is basically like a solid wall. I understand this is very subjective. Someone correct me if I'm wrong here but aren't 1.6's flashbangs more effective than CSGOs? I recall reading somewhere on here that 1.6's white screen from flashes lasted longer, both on the full flashed effect or when you turned away and received the half effect. Maps were also far bigger in size. Every chokepoint was at least doubled in size compared to CSGOs equivalent. Just look at 1.6 Inferno banana compared to CSGO. CSGOs tiny chokepoints means its very easy to bump or block your teammates. Pistols weren't anywhere near as brokenly OP as they are in CSGO. The deagle was the only pistol people spent money on as it wasn't as random as it is in CSGO. Some top tier teams would occasionally buy kevlar+deagle on eco's (with compLexity being one of the best) to catch the opposing team off guard. I bet some people around here remember coL's eco round against Lunatic Hai where tr1p didn't panic and waited to kill the guy defusing to secure the round. They won that eco with great deagle play and clever movement under the inner trains which sadly doesn't exist in CSGO. In general, pistol accuracy while moving was complete garbage in 1.6 so run and gun was a sure way to lose the round as opposed to how it is encouraged in CSGO. You had to strafe shoot with pistols with proper aim in order to kill anyone. None of this jumping pistol HS garbage you see in CSGO. Jumping and shooting in general was basically suicide or completely idiotic in 1.6 since it'd give away your position. Tagging was way more effective. Tagging is when you get hit and your movement is "stunned" or slowed. This was another way to heavily punish aggressive players who peeked a corner they shouldn't have. This "tagging" effect even occured when getting wallbanged so once you started getting hit, you wouldn't be able to make it to cover the majority of the time. CSGOs Advantages: The addition of Molotovs was a fantastic idea. I really wish 1.6 had these as strategies were beginning to become so stale and overused in the later years of competitive life. The removal of skyboxes also opened up more creativity for new strategies. To summarize for those who don't know, skyboxes prevented players from throwing grenades over certain walls as the nades would get "stuck" just as they went over the wall or wherever they were throwing it and it wouldn't go where you intended it to land. A good example is on banana in Inferno. You couldn't throw smokes over the B wall and have them land inside the site because the skybox would kill the smoke grenades momentum/velocity and they'd just flop inside the skybox and explode in the sky. The removal of the majority of skyboxes means you can throw smokes from one side of the map and land them in the opposite site to do fake strategies and things of that nature. When it comes to strictly gameplay related changes, these are the only two positives I can honestly think of in CSGO. I truly believe that if 1.6 had a proper matchmaking system, weapon skins, and had Twitch existed (Twitch has a massive effect on both the casual and competitive communities), then CSGO would've flopped so hard out of the gate and nobody would've switched. The gameplay in 1.6 was that good. There's a reason why so many people played that game over all other FPS's and why it was the top dog competitive teambased FPS game over a twelve year span.
2023-09-28 11:56
1 reply
Norway hemy
Absolutely love this comment. I shed a tear thinking of the team effort we had to make in 1.6 to win certain rounds. Also individual movement and skill where more recognizable. + Honor
2023-09-29 22:15
cs 1.6 is still a game, csgo is now completely gone, if you can't see the have some issues.
2023-09-28 17:38
7 replies
Lithuania jakis14
cs 1.6 is a different game - correct. cs2 is an update to csgo, makes sense that csgo gets deleted in that case.
2023-09-29 09:19
6 replies
it makes sense when it's ready or close to ready, not when it's a half baked game
2023-09-29 13:17
5 replies
Lithuania jakis14
tell that to valve and dont play the game now, dont see whats the issue
2023-09-29 14:29
4 replies
you really have some with that.
2023-09-29 14:47
2 replies
Lithuania jakis14
hltv's doctor, congratulations on your life, must have achieved a lot to sit here and yap so much😭🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭‼️💯🐐
2023-09-29 15:27
1 reply
now that's just sad and cringe, I still think you should take care of that, but hat's your thing.
2023-09-29 15:37
that we want to play cs but are forced to play cs2???
2023-09-30 04:10
It is unplayable though. No cl_bob, sound detection is garbage, no useful commands like cl_righthand and net_graph. Clown game by clown company.
2023-09-28 11:33
10 replies
its unplayable bcs you dont have cl_righthand and cl_bob and net_graph ???
2023-09-28 11:52
9 replies
You will have to understand that csgo players are hella spoiled, they played the best competitive FPS out there with more features and options than most other games. I think valve will continue to make the game better and add this stuff in the future, people are far to quick to judge and we will see history repeat itself just like the csgo beta.
2023-09-28 12:33
those are the smail details that not that hard to move from csgo, trust me. but this company doesnt care about it at all lul. there are also a lot bigger problmes in garbage2, guess why there are so much hate on cs2
2023-09-28 12:42
1 reply
There definitely are bigger problem then cl_righthand
2023-09-28 13:23
dont even try to argue with these people, its pointless minor inconvenience = unplayable
2023-09-28 13:02
5 replies
minor inconvenience? xd ppl will literally quit the game if they dont add left hand
2023-09-28 13:23
3 replies
i heard valorant has left hand if its that important, feel free to quit
2023-09-28 13:25
2 replies
so you have no argument? its not important to you, therefore it's not a problem? 🤣🤣
2023-09-28 13:26
1 reply
what was your argument exactly? that some idiots will leave because they cant have the gun on their left hand? i told you they can leave if it makes the game "unplayable" and quit crying
2023-09-28 13:28
Yes but at least if they want to complain they should complat about the big issues not this
2023-09-28 13:24
It's playable but it's not in a good state mr ropz
2023-09-28 11:36
3 replies
To be fair he did point that out: "The game is not ready for competitive matches, but I think going forward with it is the best way to handle it. It obviously needs a lot of work" Anyway who says it's unplayable, people who dislike it just say it's trashy
2023-09-28 13:11
2 replies
Ye didnt read any of this but sounds reasonable
2023-09-28 13:13
its not ready for competitive, but somehow it is ready for me to play? 😂 i dont think so, i dont see a reason why i should settle with CS2 if I still could be playing CSGO rn and just wait until they make CS2 better
2023-09-28 13:24
Its not unplayable. You just start the game and play it. Still shit tho
2023-09-28 11:36
faze is unplayable (they are bad)
2023-09-28 11:42
cs2 doesnt feel responsive
2023-09-28 11:43
2 replies
that has been the case since we left 1.6 behind, which is immensely saddening
2023-09-28 13:15
1 reply
Those who have played cs 1.6 at a serious level know the truth. I played 1.6 casually when I was a kid and then moved on to csgo. Now I have transitioned back to 1.6 as some of my friends run 5v5 servers. The game is so crisp and hassle free. I just hop on to a server anytime. No newbs; no hackers (occassional ones are kicked). Just the best gaming experience I have ever had and it is in 2023. Goated game
2023-09-28 14:02
Germany Devvyce
So the Valve Lead Dev says about his own game that it isn't bad.
2023-09-28 11:49
Bhutan woogah
easy to say when you have a 10k pc and are literally PAID to play it
2023-09-28 11:54
1 reply
true, he can say the truth that its garbage2 and go working on the factory, but no reasons to do it
2023-09-28 12:39
Buzz | 
Denmark 2ism
"playable" is a pretty low bar for a game
2023-09-28 11:56
1 reply
valorant killer be like: "playable"
2023-09-28 12:38
Its definately unplayable on my system, i cant play with sub 200 fps when im used to 400+ on csgo.
2023-09-28 11:59
Offcourse open minded for cs2 as they are done in csgo. All the washed up players are praying for cs2 to give them a second chance.
2023-09-28 12:03
#26 nt v*lva and paid actor popz
2023-09-28 12:38
CS2 is easily the superior game now
2023-09-28 12:41
Who car fps 40+ is enough to play
2023-09-28 12:59
no you're wrong
2023-09-28 14:18
My hero, based as usual
2023-09-28 14:45
imagine voting for cs2 in the middle of the tournament. nice strat to ignore your shit game play FaZe.
2023-09-28 14:57
People who are saying its playable are definitely wrong.
2023-09-28 15:49
4 replies
I’m sure KamilAmrah is a better source when it comes to cs gameplay than ropz
2023-09-28 16:57
3 replies
So for example if s1mple says that CS2 is shit it means he knows nothing about CS because ropz said the opposite? average hltv user
2023-09-28 17:04
2 replies
the game can be playable and shit at the same time. theres a huge diff between shit and outright unplayable
2023-09-29 11:28
1 reply
Its unplayable at competetive level, the rest doesnt matter for them
2023-09-29 16:38
bro doesn't accept other opinions
2023-09-28 17:15
Many oeople are generally excusing their own reluctance to adapt to something new by calling the old better. This happens everywhere in life, and also within gaming.
2023-09-28 17:34
Of course the game is playable. It’s always been playable. It’s just not ready for to be fully released let alone competitive play.
2023-09-28 20:04
For all the crying babies here. Nothing is great from day 1 not even CSGO in fact it was much more hated than CS2 is right now and look how it turned out to became your beloved game you are defending to the death right now. Was the release of CS2 rushed? Ofc. Is CSGO atm better game than CS2? Ofc. Could they leave CS2 in beta till the end of this year so it gets more polished while we still have access to CSGO? Absolutely. But Valve just wanted to deliver on deadline for once (kinda) and probably didn’t want to run 2 games at the same time any longer, because let’s be honest beta-CS2 ran on absolutely trash servers/network which was the main reason for wonky spraying and weird hit registration. Whoever tried CS2 beta in offline mode vs bots knows what I’m talking about and saw the night and day difference. Game has some problems but it’s nothing insanely terrible which is gamebreaking, CS2 is atm very solid foundation and it can get only better and I honestly think in 1 max 2 years it will surpass CSGO without breaking a sweat. Fps drop is a thing and I personally took a hit from +300fps to 150-180fps with my relatively not so old PC which I bought in 2021, but I mean what do you expect? Game has to evolve and new engine is more demanding by the nature, CS2 is likely to be here for +10 years so Valve has to thing how to future proof the game graphic-wise so it doesn’t look outdated in just couple of years and that has priority over making a brand new game in 2023 which can run 300 fps on your PC from 2015, you will easily upgrade your PC in next 1-3 years to perfectly suit CS2, while upgrading the game isn’t so simple. It’s the same when your favourite team makes a roster change. You don’t expect perfect results instantly, you give it a time and game development takes much more than figuring out the roles for CS team of 5 people. If you still don’t get it. Here is a saying for rest of you impatient haters. "Rome wasn't built in a day"
2023-09-28 20:26
3 replies
Lol I like how karrigan called it a mixture of cs:s snd call of duty. In all seriousness it probably was like that at first. The game has evolved quite a bit since then. And so will cs2. Just gotta be patient
2023-09-29 11:34
But the thing is that CS:GO was something completely now Now we have just an upgrade to the game and its a bugged shit
2023-09-29 16:40
1 reply
Gaben: I HAVE NEW IDEA, LET'S UPGRADE OUR COMPLETE GAME WHICH IS CSGO INTO A NEW GAME CALLED CS2 AND WE FORCED THE USERS TO PLAY WITH SOME BUGS. THIS IS A GENIUS IDEA NOBODY CAN THINK OF! Programmers : Uh sir but that's called downgrade. Why don't we separate the game first then replace csgo later when cs2 is completed. Therefore users will be happ.. Gaben: SHUT UP, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENCE AND SUCK MA DYCK* slap them with money. that's how we have to play with the stupid bug at cs2 now
2023-10-01 12:00
Who does this guy think he is? fucking nerd
2023-09-28 23:03
1 reply
+1 ropz looks like those people who are paid to advertise a bad product, the act is clear in the commercial
2023-09-29 15:41
As i said, only low elo bots are crying and these noobs were rage replying me ahaha
2023-09-29 14:34
1 reply
+1 s1mple and m0nesy both low elo noobs
2023-09-29 16:42
With a f'n awesome PC is easy indeed
2023-09-29 18:32
i mean what do u expect from a valve dev to say
2023-09-29 21:52
It’s playable garbage!
2023-09-29 23:23
World 2ocean
no way cs2 doesn't stutter on 5000$ pc!!! literally no way!!!
2023-09-30 04:49
for people who have 10K$ pc is playable
2023-09-30 04:59
2 replies
I bought my GPU (2060 super) for 150$ and CPU (5 5600X) for 200$, not brand new, but everything works fine :)
2023-09-30 10:32
I wouldn't say that. I've got 1660ti+r5 3600 with 16gb ram, Pc cost less than 1k $, it gives about 250fps, but I also have some random stutters, they are rare and last for less than a second but still anoying af and I didn't have any in CS:GO. Does somebody else have the same issue?
2023-09-30 14:57
Beta was unplayable, but now cs2 is much better.
2023-09-30 10:31
valve has no excuse releasing this abomination of a game prematurely while having csgo, just had to put the game on closed beta until it's ready to go without giving release date but no they force us to play this shit
2023-09-30 16:47
It's not unplayable It just not ready for competitive
2023-10-01 11:52
nice for you that has a 4090 in ur hands, the best equipment, we, the normal ones, thas REALLY has to WORK, pay dues etc etc, we CANNOT PLAY BECAUSE *IT IS UNPLAYABLE*
2023-10-01 16:34
stfu ropz
2023-10-02 02:59
who asked?
2023-10-02 18:47
2023-10-04 15:37
Aged like a fine milk
2023-10-08 14:43
Boy, did this age poorly
2023-10-15 09:04
South America RATATA249
With FaZe disbanding, where's Ropz gonna end up?
2023-10-23 04:44
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