zonic, Lars Robl set to transfer to Falcons *

Vitality's coach and sports psychologist will depart the organization in November.

zonic is set to part ways with Vitality

Update 18:17 :

Danny "⁠zonic⁠" Sørensen and Lars Christian Robl will complete a move to Falcons in November, the pair have revealed in an exclusive interview with Dexerto. The possibility of the move was first revealed by retired French professional player Sebastien "⁠KRL⁠" Perez in a stream on Monday.

The move comes about after Dust2.dk reported that zonic had been asked to take a paycut by Vitality in re-negotiations for his contract, which was set to expire at the end of 2023.

Landing a signing with the pedigree of zonic is a huge move and a big scalp for Falcons to claim from Vitality, and one that both zonic and Robl spoke about in Dexerto's interview.

“It was not the money that drove me to this,” Lars told the publication. “It was the role, the responsibility, and the freedom I got in the role to create something that I really believe in.”

“Of course, Falcons’ offer is really good, but so were the offers from Vitality and [another] organization,” zonic added. “But for me, it has to be worth it. I need to fulfill my personal goal, which is to try and challenge myself. I understand the concerns, and it’s an easy narrative to make.”

The Danes have worked together since 2018 and made the move to Vitality together, and weren't necessarily a package deal when Falcons began exploring their options, initially with just Robl. However, when the organization's Global Director of Esports and EU Operations, Grant Rousseau, learned that zonic was exploring his options outside of Vitality, he decided to keep the pair together.

As far as the sudden move from Vitality to a team that is definitively multiple steps down the rung is concerned, zonic explained that it was more of a long-term, personal challenge to himself to bring a team up from a lower competitive rank.

“I think it would be foolish to go in and say, ‘We can qualify for the Major, and Falcons’ ambition is to win the Major in Copenhagen,’” he said. “I think that would be stupid and not very responsible.

“But that was also the case for Vitality when I joined. I also said the first year would be rough, and that was despite me having a super team under me.”

zonic isn't fooling himself into thinking Falcons will be Major contenders immediately

The Danish coach clarified that he isn't looking to rip apart the current project and would give the players a "fair chance." However, he has complete authority and almost as importantly, the resources, to make sweeping changes and speed up the organization's timeline of building a title contender.

zonic and Robl also touched on the move to a Saudi Arabian organization amid growing concern of the country's influence in global esports and their long record of human rights abuses.

Both Robl and zonic emphasized their belief in how the pair of them could be a force for good in the region.

“I think there is a positive change going on in Saudi Arabia,” the Danish coach argued. “With the number of gamers that the region has, being able to contribute to this positive change by bringing, let’s say, a Major trophy to Saudi Arabia is something that also drives me.

“I don’t think many people know this, but my father was born and raised in Egypt, so I understand the cultural angle. Having family in Egypt, if I can contribute to Saudi Arabia’s goals, which are definitely to open up more, then I’m proud to be able to help in that department as well.

“I’m not going to sit here and say there are no issues. But what I teach my kids is that if they are trying to be better, I will encourage them and help them do that. I think that bringing a Major title would be a small but good contribution to where they’re heading.”


Original story:

zonic may be on his way out of Vitality and is already exploring other options, according to a report from Dust2.dk.

The 37-year-old's departure from the roster of the reigning Major champions is allegedly due to the French organization wanting him to go down in salary as he re-negotiates his contract, which is reportedly set to expire at the end of 2023.

zonic has been a part of Vitality since January 2022 and is widely regarded as the greatest coach in CS:GO, standing behind Astralis as they won four Major titles and taking that experience with him to Vitality, guiding them to their first Major win at the BLAST.tv Paris Major.

France Sebastien 'KRL' Perez
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#1
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Brazil MIBR_IS_BAD
uffff
2023-10-03 18:11
38 replies
Gonna get as irrelevant as other Astralis players except device & magisk
2023-10-03 18:18
32 replies
vitality might also fall off a cliff lets see
2023-10-03 18:32
30 replies
Yeah, Vitality will be affected too I am afraid, magisk might also leave for Falcons
2023-10-03 18:33
21 replies
If Magisk leaves vitality is done for unless they kick Spinx for Niko and get another anchor
2023-10-03 18:46
20 replies
Kick spinx? Ure stupid
2023-10-03 20:08
4 replies
bro? spinx is washed vita's second star is magisk and he plays anchor
2023-10-04 04:49
3 replies
3iq
2023-10-04 05:23
Na take
2023-10-04 18:23
typical NA brain. FFS it won't hurt to use your fucking brain and realise Spinx is the second best in the team.
2023-10-07 22:18
3/8 if im generous
2023-10-03 20:29
Everything checks out
2023-10-03 21:27
4 replies
#237
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United States chokyy
flag
2023-10-03 22:56
3 replies
#377
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Netherlands m1croG
flag
2023-10-04 20:36
2 replies
#391
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United States chokyy
flag
2023-10-05 00:13
1 reply
#392
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Netherlands m1croG
janky stop speak and go home
2023-10-05 00:17
dumb af
2023-10-04 02:56
4 replies
0 iq spinx washed hasnt been performing
2023-10-04 04:49
3 replies
typical usa comment (na cs, so you have no right to talk)
2023-10-04 10:10
2 replies
im better than you at the game
2023-10-04 20:55
1 reply
sure buddy
2023-10-04 23:45
#280
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Libya Chuffer
Wtf Niko to vitality would be so bad
2023-10-04 03:23
2 replies
??? niko clear upgrade over spinx
2023-10-04 04:52
1 reply
#304
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Libya Chuffer
sure but why would niko want to join vita
2023-10-04 06:13
kick spinx, ahjahahahaaha 0/8
2023-10-08 06:10
Big doubt, not denying zonic's value, but vitality already did the hardest part of building a stable and competitive roster, I'm sure they can make it work with another coach
2023-10-03 18:44
7 replies
ye the coaching part isnt the problem. The real problem is Lars also leaving. Vitality now needs to find a new psychologist.
2023-10-03 18:48
this and also wasn't there talks about XTQZZZ helping them as well in their major run? He could be a good replacement now.
2023-10-03 19:24
5 replies
I miss his darth vader looking face, vitality pls + just give him a robe with a hoodie to complete the look Vitality, double pls
2023-10-03 19:26
3 replies
Nvm, he looks exactly like Darth Vader lmao
2023-10-03 22:34
2 replies
:D
2023-10-03 23:09
1 reply
bRO WHAT ARE you talking about. Bring the man some hoodie He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named returned
2023-10-04 23:34
Not exactly it was just more "some chatting" about "that team does this that team does that"but nothing really official, just french Guy talking to frenchflag org according to MaT Btw MaT Can fill the role of coach for some Time as he did at Gamers8 by calling like 4 timeouts or smth like that in the whole event
2023-10-04 20:08
Not after they spend money on players that want to play for zonic. They have a lot of money.
2023-10-04 22:08
You almosted give me earth attack, I think a zonic vac.
2023-10-03 21:27
1 reply
YES!!! let's go Zonic!!! I love Falcons! They are on the rise!!! Welcome Danny! We will pay you what you deserve here! <3
2023-10-04 15:55
#216
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Venezuela NuciNatOr
missed the most successful player ever = dupreeh
2023-10-03 22:01
not for the money... ok
2023-10-03 22:11
1 reply
#291
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Bulgaria eed123
exacly ;D Exploring options because of moenycheck cutoff, and then its not for the money (only) :D
2023-10-04 05:14
Lost all respect tbh
2023-10-03 18:12
29 replies
It was the ORG who strangely didn't renovate his contract Also, ez money in falcons if that happens
2023-10-03 18:14
4 replies
yeah ez paycheck scamming arabs of their money. also vitality falling off it feels like
2023-10-04 10:12
org was already overpaying him
2023-10-04 14:14
2 replies
Surely bro
2023-10-04 14:15
1 reply
org was already overpaying him and he got saudi money and left same as ronaldo or neymar
2023-10-04 14:17
why should he take a paycut? His team has been ranked #1 this year the most, won a major, and have the best player in the world - all while he has the best resume a coach can have. Poor reflection of Vitality org, if anything...
2023-10-03 18:15
14 replies
esports isn't that profitable, there's a reason why so many teams go bankrupt
2023-10-03 18:23
12 replies
#47
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Dominican Republic AKASOR
Ok? He still provided his value as his teams coach.
2023-10-03 18:28
Imagine literally any other job where they'd ask you to do the same things you're already doing, have the same title and the same responsibilities and they ask you to take a pay cut. It's not like he got demoted in the team, it's the same shit they just don't want to pay him the same amount, which is sort of ridiculous compared to other occupations.
2023-10-03 18:30
10 replies
#90
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Australia Tunt
This happens all the time in other sectors, where profitability drops industry wide. If Vitality can't afford his price, I'm not sure many other orgs comfortably could.
2023-10-03 18:43
5 replies
This does not happen all the time and if it does you will explore other options.
2023-10-03 19:23
If you're in a sector based entirely on returns and it's contingent or non-salary, sure. But no one takes a salaried position and a year later takes a pay cut. That's not how it works.
2023-10-03 19:34
I didn't look at the numbers but for this to be a reasonable argument, Vitality would have to make less money now than when Zonic first signed. If this is true, your point may be valid. I can definitely understand a man with a family (Zonic) taking the money and having a comfy cushion when he retires from CS.
2023-10-03 19:39
2 replies
I would assume that coaching pay has a base salary, and then a percentage bonus contingent on winning, but I'm speculating because I don't work in the E-Sports scene and could be absolutely incorrect. That said, Vitality have been fairly consistent this year ($1.3 mil prize money, roughly). Certainly more than last year, and I think the most of all teams. Which means, if my assumptions are correct (and I'll pretend they are), Vitality either feel they are paying him too much because they didn't expect their team to be this successful (bad faith), or there are other factors involved. By no metric has he done poorly. Quite the opposite. So it's kind of weird to reduce his pay.
2023-10-03 21:23
1 reply
i think he had same as dup and magisk, 40K when they joined , they accepted less to get spinx so maybe 35K
2023-10-05 15:07
#142
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United States BGS
How about comparing this to other competitive sport/gaming situations? NFL is the highest grossing Sports league and if a player refuses to take a paycut chances are they will but cut from the team and the only money they receive is that what was guaranteed to them. Of course this isn't normal but doing something like playing a sport or a video game for a living isn't normal either.
2023-10-03 19:34
1 reply
This is a more accurate analogy but the issue generally stems from loss of output or a party wanting to explore other options from the outset, which the former is clearly not the case and I'd be surprised of the latter.
2023-10-03 19:36
If I led a team (I do) at my job and we have a successful year (we do so far) and in December they ask me to take a pay cut, I will quit on the spot. Like not even waiting to find another job.
2023-10-03 21:58
1 reply
Right? I've never heard of someone taking a pay cut in a successful year. Especially not "salary" related, since the entire premise of a salary is that it should be consistent. Most people start at a base pay and work upwards, but they never slip down. If you're going to get less it's because you're being fired or demoted...
2023-10-03 22:16
#238
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United States chokyy
-1/8 at best. We all know ma0NEXI >>>>>>>
2023-10-03 22:57
you're literally retarded if you would take a paycut at your job instead of moving to do the same work elsewhere where they pay you more
2023-10-03 18:33
1 reply
Especially since you help them won the biggest thing this year 🤣
2023-10-04 20:08
Zonic is so sad about it 😪😪😪
2023-10-03 18:35
#10 #11 he didnt renew his contract because he would've gotten paycut, don't think you would want that yourself and can we really talk about morals when zonic's only friend in vitality must be magisk who's also going to falcons apparently might as well backtrack to when vitality forced him to kick dupreeh
2023-10-03 18:43
3 replies
Vitality didn't force him to kick Dupreeh, he himself said it was his hardest decision ever.
2023-10-03 19:49
all the players agreed to get a paycut to get spinx... cs orgs have a hard time to survive.. probably all the player get a pay cut, not only zonic .. but they are still paid lot of money. they used free players like misuta kiojin and now flamez cause it s not like money fall from the sky even for one of the best org if magisk leave they might not even get money to buy a good known player
2023-10-03 23:44
1 reply
#281
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Indonesia ivanovky
the situation like old Astralis right, the team succeed but the org didn't profit.
2023-10-04 03:35
Well, he will propably get a huge increase in salary and still do what he loves. I dont like his decision if it cones to that but it makes sense to milk his succesful career for a fat cashout dor him and his family
2023-10-03 19:13
+1
2023-10-06 22:06
#4
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Malaysia robouki
wos
2023-10-03 18:12
1 reply
wtf title went from zonic rumors move to falcons -> zonic set to transfer move to falcons in matter of 5 minutes wtf
2023-10-03 18:20
leaving the #1 team for money is kinda sad but what can you do
2023-10-03 18:12
13 replies
#18
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Russia shoras
Maybe the #1 team shouldn't cut his paycheck. I doubt Vitality is financially struggling.
2023-10-03 18:18
5 replies
they probably are, they spend all their money on Riot games and get nothing back almost
2023-10-03 18:24
1 reply
#58
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Russia shoras
Well there's possibly more money in Riot games, but losing a coach like zonic would hurt the CS team.
2023-10-03 18:31
Most of their money is going to Zywoo's paycheck
2023-10-03 18:26
2 replies
and zywoo most likely agrees to getting his pay cut because he's such a nice guy. 🙂
2023-10-03 18:32
1 reply
the players accepted pay cuts to get spinx back in 2022
2023-10-05 15:22
so many people on here acting like they wouldn't do the exact same thing in zonic's position
2023-10-03 22:12
4 replies
Probably almost anyone would lol, a matter of priorities in life
2023-10-04 06:54
#375
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France Khmzbg
Bunch of kiddos who never worked.
2023-10-04 20:29
1 reply
+1
2023-10-07 21:28
+1
2023-10-07 21:28
not surprised he has no loyalty to the org after they made him kick dupreeh
2023-10-05 02:52
It's a job, not a charity
2023-10-07 21:28
#6
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Russia Lessix
Omg so they didnt signed him again
2023-10-03 18:12
#7
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Slovakia Psycho2k
Thats unexpected
2023-10-03 18:12
#8
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France GPelector
Zonic leaving for the arabic bag
2023-10-03 18:12
4 replies
Sounds like what any sane person would do
2023-10-03 18:36
3 replies
i would too and i dont blame the guy, arabs got the bag and they probably offered him something vitality cant even get close too
2023-10-03 19:01
1 reply
I mean zonic would be probably ok with same money at Vitality even tho he probably deserved a raise after 2023 so far, but to ask for a cut is absolutely outrageous and he would probably go to any other team no matter the money arab bag or no.
2023-10-04 05:48
any sane person with a family*
2023-10-03 21:21
Man has a family and they gotta eat, Zonic paying all them damn expensive iPhone bills...he’s going Saudi for sure. Free housing, big oil money and literally a free retirement plan. Good for him.
2023-10-03 18:15
1 reply
Called it before title changes.
2023-10-03 19:22
wtf why...
2023-10-03 18:15
2 replies
money
2023-10-03 18:19
#57
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England Triturn
the bag
2023-10-03 18:31
welcome kuben
2023-10-03 18:16
1 reply
u drunk? xD
2023-10-03 18:17
Lmao xd
2023-10-03 18:20
???form 40k to 30k monthly, you think ur that important LOL
2023-10-03 18:20
7 replies
200k
2023-10-03 18:20
source?
2023-10-03 18:33
no shot any coach gets paid over 20k a month
2023-10-03 18:57
4 replies
If someone is, it’s zonic. He came to Vitality as astralis trio deal including dupreeh and magisk so they had decent leverage since literally every team would take them in a heartbeat and Vitality knew it and probably gave them more than what they would if dupreh, magisk and zonic were on their own, this could also be a reason why Vitality tried to force cut on zonic since his leverage is much smaller than 2 years ago. Not saying he has over 20k but 15-20k is very possible considering his resume and circumstances at the end of 2021.
2023-10-04 06:02
3 replies
Also danish taxes are almost 50%
2023-10-04 06:02
2 replies
Yep Nordic taxes are awesome
2023-10-04 06:04
1 reply
USA not good tho
2023-10-04 06:05
seriously Vitality? Gee, the consideration for Falcons is now making sense.
2023-10-03 18:19
They won the last major, they are ranked 1. Renew contract and give him more money ffs
2023-10-03 18:19
5 replies
zonic already had a big salary in Vitality, but Falcons is probably offering 2 or 3 times more. Coaches aint that gamechanger to be paid 50k a month.
2023-10-03 18:20
4 replies
Zonic is.
2023-10-03 18:37
#180
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Argentina Saazu
Zonic literally won the major 4 times with astralis and once with vitality. Not sure if any other coach managed to win a major with two different teams... he must be the greatest coach right now.
2023-10-03 20:43
2 replies
He was and he is by far.
2023-10-03 21:37
1 reply
And on top of he kind of seems like the reliable and approachable father\big brother type of coach, that you can talk to about anything (which I think is hard to find but pretty useful in its own way).
2023-10-04 01:03
vitality are stupid LMAOO demanding a paycut when he’s about to leave and he won the major
2023-10-03 18:19
RIP VITALITY
2023-10-03 18:20
allegedly due to the French organization wanting him to go down in salary xDDDD the absolute state of esports in 2k23
2023-10-03 18:20
It's gonna hit vitality hard if both zonic and lars robl will leave If Magisk will leave as well - vitality will no longer be a #1 team. I doubt they'll even be in top5 or even top10 if they'll lose such a player like Magisk
2023-10-03 18:22
5 replies
#50
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Poland moistu
NertZ
2023-10-03 18:30
1 reply
woudnt say he's perfect replacement i dont think he can be that second voice and the guy who brings a lot of hype in stressed moments and i dont think he will leave ence tbh
2023-10-03 18:32
#127
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Italy Karimk03
If they get naf it's fine i think.
2023-10-03 19:23
1 reply
doubt that
2023-10-03 19:58
If Vitality start crumbling I see no reason for Zywoo to stay. He speaks English now, he's had major success with an international roster, teams would kill to have him.
2023-10-03 22:01
#32
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France FaYa_
Glad that Vitality is not playing one-upmanship in the face of a huge offer. The global trend is towards falling salaries, not everyone has the financial power of Saudi Arabia at their disposal
2023-10-03 18:21
wtfff unexpected
2023-10-03 18:22
XTQZZZ welcome back!
2023-10-03 18:23
2 replies
FOR SURE!
2023-10-03 20:07
No, Kuben is better.
2023-10-03 20:55
Paycut for be #1 Ranked team D:
2023-10-03 18:23
VITALITY ASKED HIM TO TAKE LESS MONEY DURING NEGOTIATION 💀💀💀 WAT THE FAK IS THIS ??
2023-10-03 18:23
8 replies
all the players agreed to get paycut to get spinx.. my guess all the roster get pay cut.. vitality always used some free player like misuta and kiojin insteed of buying expensive know ones, they are not rich and the most expensive vitality cs team didn t win much... except the major so maybe not many money
2023-10-03 23:52
7 replies
Did you see their LoL roster moves? They are rich..
2023-10-03 23:50
5 replies
but not for cs it seems then
2023-10-03 23:52
4 replies
Magisk dupreeh and zonic weren't free. They have alot of money.
2023-10-03 23:52
3 replies
but they won t get money from selling them , and if i remember they were free when joining vitality thats why it was possible.
2023-10-03 23:55
#266
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France HippzZ
? They actually were their contract expired in Astralis
2023-10-04 00:26
1 reply
Salary doesnt exist I guess. They played for fun.
2023-10-04 00:27
Yep. They threw away a shitton of money on their supposedly "superteam" lol lineup which flopped real hard, meanwhile their cs roster had to suffer a pay cut for a new player. feelsbad for their cs team
2023-10-07 00:29
Money money money must be funny
2023-10-03 18:24
1 reply
in a big nose man world
2023-10-03 19:54
#40
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Romania aLeeeeex
Sad that he s going for the bag instead of winning but what father wouldnt, a few more years and he is set. Hope he will at least make a competitive roster
2023-10-03 18:25
1 reply
How is he going for the bag? He would stay in Vitality if they offered him at least same money after winning a major and being #1 team of 2023, achievements worthy of a raise so leaving him at same money would be outrageous on it’s own, but they took path of ultimate disrespect and asked him for a cut???? What a stupid management Vitality must be. Vitality probably think all the mastermind tactics will come from apex’s head now lmao. Ofc zonic went to explore his options elsewhere since he knows his value as goat coach after all and found offer which he likes. You are saying “going for the bag” like he was happy in vitality had decent offer for new contract and all of a sudden arabs came in begging him to join their no name team for 3x money.
2023-10-04 06:20
xtqzzz gonna ditch TSm and come back I imagine
2023-10-03 18:25
now dupreeh and magisk to Falcons and vitality domination is rip.
2023-10-03 18:27
5 replies
#55
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Sweden Vrede
no, dupreeh to heroic
2023-10-03 18:31
#240
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Falcons doesn't have ZywOo and Spinx. Why would Magisk downgrade?
2023-10-03 23:01
3 replies
With zywoo maybe, but you are saying “Spinx” like he is god like player lmao. I would say BOROS is just as good as Spinx if not better.
2023-10-04 06:23
2 replies
#328
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Finland HARD4ENCE
And who do you think Falcons is about to get? Buyout NiKo, ropz, s1mple type of players from their respective teams? Doesn't seem very plausible to me. Unless they give them like uber giga paycheck.
2023-10-04 08:34
1 reply
Again Spinx is uncomparable to the players you listed, he is type of player like Nertz from ENCE which is very plausible to get for Falcons
2023-10-04 15:38
miser Vitality 😃
2023-10-03 18:27
From sportswashing to e-sportswashing now. And remember Zonic now officially supports a country that systematically violates human rights. but hey, anything for blood money :)
2023-10-03 18:27
25 replies
#66
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Poland ScR1337
This
2023-10-03 18:33
#70
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Romania peipodark
flag.
2023-10-03 18:34
8 replies
+1
2023-10-03 18:43
romania talking lmao
2023-10-03 18:53
3 replies
#131
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Slovakia Psycho2k
U have the same flag u idiot lmaooo
2023-10-03 19:24
Flag.. .
2023-10-03 22:03
Holy moly this is the best “flag” I have ever seen on HLTV. Wp 10IQ
2023-10-04 06:24
#157
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Portugal Joaoman73
+1
2023-10-03 19:51
+1
2023-10-03 20:22
+1
2023-10-04 00:40
saudi literally has a finger in everything at this point bro.
2023-10-03 18:35
you'd do the same, hypocrite
2023-10-04 02:59
3 replies
I have everything I need in life, I understand some people with no money would make this move, but I thought Zonic and especially Lars would have some values left in them.
2023-10-04 10:49
2 replies
alright then, keep lying to yourself
2023-10-04 16:59
1 reply
Thanks for 0 input in this conversation
2023-10-04 20:21
1. He is paying taxes in Denmark… 2. First look at your own country before you start pointing fingers at others in matter of human rights.
2023-10-04 06:27
2 replies
I am from Finland
2023-10-04 10:32
1 reply
Well it doesn’t matter you show support to country which has one of the worst corruption in the world and human rights are like 100th on the list, sure it’s not as bad as in Arabic region but if you stand for human rights so badly it should not make difference to you, only main difference is that they are sitting on oil deposits and have money, so bit hypocritical from you don’t you think?
2023-10-04 15:33
wait all of a sudden we're all agreeing to give a fuck about "human rights" now? what does that even mean anymore
2023-10-04 15:58
6 replies
Flag
2023-10-04 17:39
5 replies
aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-s-indigenous-.. Sweden’s Indigenous Sami community complain of human rights abuses. UN has criticized policies that forcibly aim to assimilate Indigenous group inhabiting parts of Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Russia
2023-10-05 01:53
4 replies
Wow, you managed to find one bad thing we did in the past. Good job! Hate to tell you that this kind of abuse has historically happened in pretty much any place you can name. The argument that human rights should not be given a shit about now because it has been done poorly in the past makes no sense whatsoever. We have to try to be better.
2023-10-05 11:58
3 replies
that's not one bad thing. That's a systematic marginalization of a traditional people that is ON-GOING to this day! And you're continuing to do it while pretending like you're better people by hugging trees and posting rainbow flags on twitter, and typing the buzzwords like "human rights" on internet forums. We are all trying to be better - so is Saudi
2023-10-05 15:00
2 replies
It is really not as bad as you make it out to be. I read the article you linked to before and the human rights abuse complaints were due to the health risks of opening a mine, which has nothing to do with them being sami. You are just acting out to avoid all the terrible things your country is doing. Of course the you saudis are trying to be better but your view of what is better is just not the same as mine
2023-10-05 21:39
1 reply
ok then. you can call it human rights abuses or sportswashing or whatever you want. i dont care. we will continue eating away at football and golf and other sports and esports. it pisses off the west lol
2023-10-06 07:04
#46
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Brazil ZerongBr
such bullshit i swear, why would he leave for falcons of all teams? that cant compete for nothing, will win nothing i dont understand this craving for money and not achievements
2023-10-03 18:27
7 replies
#56
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Serbia betmaher
Even money is questionable I see falcons disbanding and leaving cs after bad year or two But can't say the same for vitality
2023-10-03 18:31
why would they win nothing if they have unlimited budget to build a team?
2023-10-03 18:36
Oil blood money
2023-10-03 18:37
KRL said that falcons allowed him to would have unlimited funds to chose the roster he wants. I think it's a one in a lifetime experience to get to do that and maybe for his profession: the pineacle of his """art""".
2023-10-03 19:29
2 replies
#150
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Brazil ZerongBr
huh, so we are know who hes kicking first, NBK for gla1ve and bodyy for dupreeh
2023-10-03 19:44
1 reply
Yeah maybe he brings in magisk and dupreeh and works from there, slowly amking changes to get back the OG astralis roster.
2023-10-03 19:48
Literally no one can surpass him as coach in achievements for at leat next 5 years lmao. Plus you have no idea what they are offering maybe he will manage the whole team as football coach and handpick the players for new roster, so they could win more than “nothing”
2023-10-04 06:31
"the Dane had been asked to take a paycut by Vitality" The absolute nerve.
2023-10-03 18:30
6 replies
Leaving him at same salary would be outrageous on it’s own after achievements in 2023. Raise would be more than deserved and they ask for cut xD
2023-10-04 06:34
he was already overpaid
2023-10-04 14:19
4 replies
Keep coping. Vitality fucked up.
2023-10-04 20:46
3 replies
More like Zonic left for saudi paycheck
2023-10-04 21:14
2 replies
They literally asked the greatest coach of all time who just won them their first major to take a pay cut. Never mind how much Falcons offered; Vitality showed that they don't value Zonic by lowballing him. End of.
2023-10-04 21:19
1 reply
This what is the problem Frenchmen: Yeah.... apEX did everything, Zonic didn't do nothing Danes: Yeah... apEX didn't do shit, they only won because of Zonic It is a fucking team effort
2023-10-08 03:22
#51
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United States Admirel
damn it now falcons are going to win the next major, nice going vitality
2023-10-03 18:30
Imaaaaaaagine getting a mixed international team win a major trophy, be the nr 1 on the team ranking and then GET A WORSE CONTRACT. Zonic needs to get F out! Vitality GG.
2023-10-03 18:30
#53
poem | 
North America minte
Vitality kekw
2023-10-03 18:30
Good for him, Securing his family is more important than tears of stupid community.
2023-10-03 18:31
4 replies
+1 Virtue signalers gonna signal.
2023-10-03 18:54
true , & its not even as bad as people make it sounds like , he has infinite money to build whatever roster he want , sounds like a coach dream
2023-10-03 20:24
+1
2023-10-04 08:27
Finally one with a brain. Careers are short and exhausting. Better make sure to grab the biggest bag you could reach before it’s over.
2023-10-04 11:13
#62
NEO | 
Poland ScR1337
Pathetic, leaving nr1 team for money, lost all respect and hope they wont achieve anything,,same as with boros
2023-10-03 18:32
6 replies
i hope vitality turn to complete shit
2023-10-03 18:53
Yeah pretty sure you would take less money from no. 1 spot in the world and stay with them to fall off (any team falls off in the end) and reject like 2-3 times the money from another Org having the opportunity to build the roster you‘d like to have and show you’re capable of getting to the top out of nowhere. Grow up kid.
2023-10-03 21:43
4 replies
I feel like the main reason is the disrespect. I am suspecting the same thing happened in Astralis. And what I think will happen is that apex will start malding again, Vitality will start to have arguments and maybe even camps and Magisk will for sure leave. And that is how a paycut to your underrated coach will start the domino effect of the current number 1 team falling off.
2023-10-04 01:11
3 replies
Domino started with removal of dupreeh, I hope Vitality will learn brutal lesson that you don’t mess with winning formula.
2023-10-04 06:36
2 replies
Imagine cutting off one of your Major winning players right after lol. Even tho I understand the move of signing FlameZ it was a terrible timing and so far it didn’t really pay off. In the long term? Maybe. But instead of FlameZ they could’ve also reached for Frozen then who is miles ahead of FlameZ if you ask me.
2023-10-04 11:11
1 reply
Well frozen is under heavy buy-out fee while flamez was for free since his contract expired in OG
2023-10-04 15:24
disappointed with zonic
2023-10-03 18:32
1 reply
Disappointed with Vitality
2023-10-04 06:36
#68
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United States NLE_CHOPPA
GG vitality, was a good run
2023-10-03 18:34
Time to get XTQZZ back, easy
2023-10-03 18:34
"It was not the money that drove me to this"
2023-10-03 18:36
6 replies
Would like to see you being the best in your category head and shoulders above everyone else, doing your job really good with awesome results and after the best year your company/team ever had management comes to you with new contract with NOT EVEN SAME salary but LESS. I would tell Vitality to f off and look for other org just like zonic did. If you don’t see it’s not about money, but rather about lack of respect to best coach ever from Vitality’s management I pity you.
2023-10-04 06:44
5 replies
They perform since 2023 since apex Said them now we gonna play my way ...he explained it in itw... you overate coach without having any idea....maybe vitality didn t even try to keep zonic with them ..but you know better from your Dream source
2023-10-07 00:50
4 replies
I don’t need dream source, I can just use my brain unlike someone else. If Vitality didn’t want to keep zonic they would for sure propose him contract extension even tho it was with less money. Surely it doesn’t sounds like Vitality just wanted to cheap out on stuff and hoping they still keep team intact with less cost. You are probably not aware of a fact that if team doesn’t want you they won’t even offer any contract at all, forcing you to leave as soon as old contract expires, so very clever take.
2023-10-07 14:50
3 replies
it s not a problem here... 2022 vitality was bad and vitality is good since apex has all control.. zonic way of playing was outdated just like astralis was bad before they joined vitality.
2023-10-07 17:55
2 replies
Holy you are silly, delusional apex mastermind fan. It’s all apex surely, it has nothing to do with fact spinx joined at the end of 2022 and they instantly won EPL and later on major. It’s not about added fire power, it was only apex smashing the table forcing his tactics.
2023-10-07 20:08
1 reply
i just quote apex but you know better, delusional fanboy.. i m first to call apex a bot but if he said he has all the control since 2023 on the way they play i believe him . spinx joined in august 2022.. they won 1 even and were back to like they were before.
2023-10-07 20:49
#76
JK | 
Asia flipflop
unexpected
2023-10-03 18:36
Damn... if Zonic decides to leave at least we have Mat... I hope Magisk doesnt leave but I think he might leave. It would be crazy if Zonic builds a crazy roster with Magisk and ZywOo in.
2023-10-03 18:36
#79
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Other Zollbit
It's hilarious how both Louis Mira and RL bring more news than HLTV
2023-10-03 18:36
5 replies
louis mira was formerly "working" on hltv hltv.org/player/1133/miraa he departed long ago tho
2023-10-03 21:28
4 replies
It’s not that long ago. I swear I saw articles from him like year ago.
2023-10-04 06:46
3 replies
2023-10-04 10:51
2 replies
Wtf I wasn’t even following HLTV at that time so how do I know him? I swear I see his name under articles a lot. Is he guest writter?
2023-10-04 15:27
1 reply
probably, usually i do not pay attention who is the author of the articule, but i remember this one going live #202 :)
2023-10-04 18:29
eh ngl, now that I think about it. Losing zonic isn't going to be the problem, the real problem is Lars. Vitality now has to find a new psychologist that can work.
2023-10-03 18:38
1 reply
You mean a therapist for apEX? Impossible
2023-10-03 21:45
+ kick apex
2023-10-03 18:38
Saudi money is taking over e-sports too. This is happening.
2023-10-03 18:39
#85
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Russia progib007
who is LARS ROBL????
2023-10-03 18:40
3 replies
the esport psychologist of astralis (when they were on prime) and the current esport psychologist of vitality.
2023-10-03 18:53
2 replies
#246
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Russia progib007
thanks
2023-10-03 23:15
1 reply
np
2023-10-03 23:16
And they ruin yet another sport, great. Put a salary cap or everyone knows where this is heading.
2023-10-03 18:40
Winning a major then ask you to take a pay cut lmao
2023-10-03 18:42
removing goat ozstriker?!?
2023-10-03 18:42
He's already won everything in his career and he's 30+ and I don't mind him going to Falcons for the money, but if Magisk goes too I'll be really sad
2023-10-03 18:46
richard lewis is never wrong, the esportswashing is here
2023-10-03 18:46
1 reply
Richard accepts blood money as long as it's draped in rainbow flag.
2023-10-03 18:56
smart move, he achieved everything, hes just going there for the bank
2023-10-03 18:47
Money money money ...
2023-10-03 18:47
Sad, Vitality org just ruined the #1 team for no reason w/o any good replacement in mind.
2023-10-03 18:51
3 replies
Because Seriousjacksson is obviously aware of what's in the mind of Vitality CEO, and he is not just an irrelevant HLTV random...
2023-10-03 20:04
2 replies
Saving money is in his mind.
2023-10-03 20:38
1 reply
They won a major, that was the objective. It is likely that they decided to lower the CS budget a bit. I think they will focus more on the LEC now
2023-10-05 08:49
“It was not the money that drove me to this,” Lars told the publication. “It was the role, the responsibility, and the freedom I got in the role to create something that I really believe in.” Yeah, its not about the money, sure LOL
2023-10-03 18:52
3 replies
He thinks CS viewers are NPCs
2023-10-03 19:02
lmao
2023-10-03 19:20
#133
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Italy Karimk03
Lmao
2023-10-03 19:25
zonic too hungry, needs that sweet sweet saudi money hmmm
2023-10-03 18:55
#108
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Libya Chuffer
wtffff
2023-10-03 18:56
arabia is taking over cs i fear
2023-10-03 18:58
2 replies
theyre trying to take over most sports lol
2023-10-03 18:59
more money in skins, i'm good with that.
2023-10-03 19:23
Smart move, no one should cut your pay
2023-10-03 19:01
Zywoo, please save urself
2023-10-03 19:06
Well... I wish all the best to zonic and Vitality.
2023-10-03 19:08
2 replies
are you wishing all the best to someone supporting human rights violations ?
2023-10-03 19:21
1 reply
Not at all, meaning that I wish the best for zonic and Vitality respectively; as in their future endeavours for the rest of their future careers paths.
2023-10-03 19:45
I can't fault the guy for transfering, money is money. But seeing these rich arabs just straight up buying CS teams and getting their blood-stained hands on world class / potentially world class talent is beyond fucking sad. They take all the passion and soul out of anything they touch. And all the human rights violations these fuckers commit... Smfh.
2023-10-03 19:09
Seems like Vitality org isn't too good after all. Not only cuz of Zonic but the weird roster sudden changes that happened before
2023-10-03 19:13
1 reply
#268
RpK | 
France HippzZ
They just don't have a lot of money (for CS at least)
2023-10-04 00:28
i hate Saudi sportwashing. but I understand zonic pov. he is 37 will retire in few years won everything so now is time to farm money for family
2023-10-03 19:17
+ XTQZZ, him and apex will cook again, just like towards the end of 2021
2023-10-03 19:17
2 replies
first time u posted something smart
2023-10-04 14:21
1 reply
more like first time you gained common sense
2023-10-04 16:40
vitality 0 iq lmao gl zonic! go brother, go!
2023-10-03 19:22
#128
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Hungary kaiNee
let's see what the future brings for both teams :)
2023-10-03 19:23
falcons can actually be not bad
2023-10-03 19:25
1 reply
they will be stronger than c9
2023-10-04 15:59
It all makes sense now.
2023-10-03 19:29
lol why? falcons better? what they achieved? they cant even qualify for any majors/t1 tournaments
2023-10-03 19:30
3 replies
arab money
2023-10-03 19:34
Vitality wanted zonic to take a pay-cut, which is very stupid of them, so I Think vitality believes they can work it out without them.
2023-10-03 19:42
#154
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Portugal Joaoman73
zonic has a great budget to work with, instead of taking paycuts from Vitality after winning them a major he gets to have a personal challenge to build a roster with lots of money to win stuff, understandable choice
2023-10-03 19:49
huge L for Vitality
2023-10-03 19:33
#140
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Turkey Syxcz
Whyyy ??
2023-10-03 19:33
people saying its all for the money but falcons are gonna be the next team going from tier 2 to tier 1
2023-10-03 19:39
1 reply
cool story bro r6s falcon roster only appears on gamers8 tournament once per year and that tournament is organized by saudi arabia in saudi arabia xdd
2023-10-03 21:24
#147
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Luxembourg 2000
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ah yes!
2023-10-03 19:41
Stupid move my vitality. Why offer a pay cut after all these recruitment moves to be the best when there is no better coach than zonic. My money would be +hunden or +trace (if they buy out his ItB contract)
2023-10-03 19:43
1 reply
Yeah sign someone who is known impostor for giving away strats to competitor team for some extra dollars and pretending being sick while working for other org. Really good advice Mr. Fox.
2023-10-04 06:55
#152
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Portugal Joaoman73
totally understandable, he can build whatever he wants in Falcons with unlimited budget on a nice paycheck or take paycuts in Vitality
2023-10-03 19:47
I have a feeling that Vitality tries to get sAw and trochu from ENCE.
2023-10-03 19:49
Surely it's not about money. Why deny it, there's nothing wrong with it
2023-10-03 19:53
falcons 100% gonna sign ZyWoo or someone around the top-5/10 player caliber. Zywoo hasnt renewed his Vitality deal yet
2023-10-03 19:54
1 reply
Nah he is to nice guy for such a move tbh. They would have to offer him absolutely insane amount to leave french based company he has been playing for years
2023-10-04 06:57
#162
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Russia moskva
Falcons want to win a major with nbk on the roster? This is the best joke I heard this year.
2023-10-03 19:59
23 replies
Says the Cloud9 supporter with mentally fragile hobbit and crybaby sh1ro , combined with deadeyes ax1le 2,000,000 for electronic and baitfecto it’s all relative to nbk....who actually tries to entry and selfless trade - frag with teammates,and can anchor unlike hobbit
2023-10-03 20:31
22 replies
I dont think it was neccesary to attack him because of his flair. A lot of stuff can be said about Jame, Fl1t and n0rbert as well...
2023-10-03 20:40
19 replies
They don’t have mental breakdowns or tilt themselves out of contention, fl1t and Norbert are team players and Jame is a baiter like sh1r0 but never tilts and always gets stuck in for the win, Norbert is quite a selfless team player and often sacrifices for the betterment of his teams, they’re not Whiney pouty man children or stat padders
2023-10-03 20:48
17 replies
oh really? N0rbert rages and tilts more than s1mple and sh1ro combined, have you not see him on player cams?
2023-10-03 20:59
16 replies
Not even close, rolling his eyes while buying guns for his teammates to win rounds compared to s1mple pouting around with a shotgun baiting his team and ruining teammates morale even after his captain aces pales in comparison to eye rolling...Norbert actually yells and hypes his team up Sh1ro is by far the biggest loss in mental fragility and tilting, often giving up during tournaments or baiting his teammates until the clock runs out, he also loves to overcall his IGL and pout when things go fro bad to worse
2023-10-03 21:05
15 replies
eye rolling xd armrest punching, sighs, makes faces like he is about to cry. why you dont mention it? You think his teammates dont feel it? I think i saw a post where yekindar said that in in his early days in vp he used to tilt a lot and that after one game jame even came to him and said smthing like "either you stop it or you are gonna get kicked" Mb Jame should teach n0rbert couple of lessons too, dont you think? "Sh1ro is by far the biggest loss in mental fragility and tilting, often giving up during tournaments " And you made this assumption based on one game during RMR where he was about to cry? Because this never happened after. He is still young and you dont know if c9 or even gambit had a mental coach
2023-10-03 21:19
14 replies
Sh1r0 being mentally fragile and tilting crybaby : IEM Dallas 2023 vs Faze at elimination game Ancient Paris RMR Cloud9 vs Faze for elimination IEM Rio 2022 vs Mouz elimination game on Ancient IEM Rio 2023 Elimination game vs Vitality especially on Anubis ESL Proleague s17 Grand Finals vs Faze ESL Proleague s18 vs Complexity and elimination games vs Eternal Fire He’s mentally fragile and weak, Norbert is merely frustrated but still plays for his team and sacrifices immensely along with bringing hype.
2023-10-03 21:26
13 replies
Because norbert is just another piece of gear in Jame's grand mechanism. c9 dont have an authority if 3 people can talk simultaneously. 1) I didnt watch Dallas because it was early morning for me, all i isaw after is that he got destryoed by broky in statistics 2) Was literally one of the best player's on the server? Yes, he was baiting a lot on t side overall, but can you blame him for that loss? Entire team was collapsed and who made those calls is unclear because again, 3 people talking 3) The fact that he played bad doesnt mean he was tilted or anything? It happens sometimes that you get completely outplayed. And i am not even going to talk about the fact that he was crying after getting eliminated, i think it's completely normal to show emotions when the game is over. There are plenty of examples, players cry when they qualify for the major or after winning important game (dycha on rmr, 9z on antwerp rmr, fnx cried in antwerp as well) or when they lose (fallen on rio major, turtle on na rmr to paris major) 4) C9 didnt play against Vitality on anubis in rio, in fact it was overpass and he was the best player meanwhile ax1le ghosted another big stage game. Maybe you meant Blast finals? And you are wrong again, because he was carrying the team along with ax1le on anubis. 5) Have nothing to sy about it, Faze were just better 6) I guess so, yeah
2023-10-03 21:43
12 replies
No I watched everything I posted live and in every game I mentioned it wasn’t stats but fragility and attitude that dictated it, most videos include casters actually bringing up sh1r0 tilting,crying,pouting,or playing risk free going quiet in important moments
2023-10-03 22:10
Yea you’re right in Rio it was being up 12-3 on Vertigo I believe and Sh1ro ghosted, losing 16-13 but the Anubis game vs Vitality at match and series point where they get aced by zywoo sums up the mental fragility and lack of a winners mentality-risk adversity,sh1r0 tilting and baiting isn’t some secret nor going quiet in important matches whilst he baits and pouts
2023-10-03 22:15
10 replies
when your team loses ct side from 12-3, you cant blame one man for the loss lmao. Ax1le in particular was trying his hardest to throw as anchor, he literally played as rainwaker.
2023-10-03 22:26
9 replies
B anchor is hard but I remember Dupree entering up A ramp relentlessly and that’s supposedly Sh1r0 domain as an AWPer but just like most games he plays not to lose instead of playing to win...like a bad version of Jame but mentally fragile and turtles up
2023-10-03 22:30
8 replies
like a bad version of jame you are clearly biased here. Jame's mechanics with rifles and pistols are among worst i've seen among pro players and sh1ro is a more hybrid player and better clutch player than him., but that's a different topic for discussion.
2023-10-03 22:38
7 replies
He won the Major MVP beating Mouz...the very team that eliminated Cloud9 and sh1r0 from Rio 2022 also same maps Mouz eliminated Cloud9 and sh1r0 He beat Vitality at Rio in an important 1-1 game at Rio and has a boring yet simplistic and effective AWPing style that puts Sh1ro to shame, because he’s not mentally weak or tilted and makes plays
2023-10-03 22:43
6 replies
Bro, i agree that Jame played outstanding that major and sh1ro choked, i am not denying that. Again difference between VP and Cloud9 is that VP players obey to Jame and c9 dont have such strict hierarchy, maybe that's why c9 so weak and they lost that evening. But you cant say with straight face that Jame makes plays, he rarely (almost never) goes for openings or plays for info. By the way, I watched 9z game that evening and jame's plays was nowhere to be seen on inferno or overpass. All rounds on inferno for example were won because of n0rbert holding pit and mir, or thanks to fl1t on B. On Overpass majority of rounds were won thanks to his calls on t side and n0rbert entrying + his did some right calls on ct side where again n0rbert deserved all the dredit for winning them, jame was only saving his awp and won one 1v1 against 20 hp player. Also, Fl1t that choked that game hard. His b holds with mir were dreadful
2023-10-03 23:03
5 replies
Yea Jame baited his rifle talent and wanted to save the AWP into cs2 that 9z game was embarrassing to watch, I felt bad for mir,fl1t,and fame but tbf Norbert let them walk out of Monster 3 separate instances and lost them most of that game. Jame is a beast thought in his own right...at Gamers8 vs Faze and G2 he did well, he did great against Liquid and practically carried them to the win on same maps Sh1r0 got stomped on va Liquid so there’s some comparisons...also sh1r0 went 1-15 vs Complexity on Ancient and was non existent vs Eternal Fire where Jame 2-0ed Eternal Fire and carried
2023-10-03 23:03
4 replies
i mean, c9 beat ef 2:0 too :D
2023-10-03 23:19
3 replies
Not when it mattered at elimination time , mental fortitude and the winners mentality, along with ability to have an impact was non existent on Vertigo and on Overpass at match and elimination point sh1r0 has the same panic Jame did in his 1v2 which lead both players trying to play it safe to go home early...except Sh1ro collated 2 and baited worse than Jame to get eliminated by EF on Overpass
2023-10-03 23:26
2 replies
Hmm, could it be that EF just studied c9? And they could beat VP as well after studing their gameplay on inferno and vertigo? Think about it, Mibr beat mouz -> lost 0:2 after, mibr beat monte -> lost 0;2 after.
2023-10-03 23:28
1 reply
MIBR were just burned out and Mouz finally woke up and applied real pressure to MIBR defaulting, first win was flukey but second time around same maps Mouz just stomped them as they should have...and did to every other great teams. And I doubt the way MAJ3R was pulled around Vertigo and even casters predictions of how Jame would manipulate MAJ3R on Vertigo could ever be seen as something EF could counter strat big brain Jame...listening to Maniac describe the last 5 rounds of VP vs EF Vertigo would probably answer that question
2023-10-03 23:42
If you ever watch NBK play you’d see why attacking his comment about Major contention makes sense,and the irony of his flair being Cloud9...oh the sweet irony
2023-10-03 20:53
#283
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Russia moskva
Is this supposed to hurt my feelings or what? I don't understand, sorry.
2023-10-04 04:32
1 reply
No I'm just farting on your flair face...go back to bed
2023-10-04 04:33
I've always wanted to see this type of move in football. When it comes to Guardiola vs Klopp discussion, I always wished to see Guardiola where you need to get the max out of your squad, like Klopp did with Mainz & BVB, even Liverpool some would argue. Would Pep be able to take Norwich to EPL or take Burnley to top 3? Probably not, he's just a successful manager of already successful clubs who has the budget to bring whoever. So, I like this move, seeing zonic at Falcons it's definitely a challenge that he's intentionally asking for, whether there's money or not, not sure if Falcons has the image to bring whoever. I will love every minute of it observing the development of this move. Kudos to zonic.
2023-10-03 20:03
Ok that’s why they lost to monte
2023-10-03 20:18
#168
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France Uexo
sad, but thankful to them anyway <3
2023-10-03 20:20
“I think there is a positive change going on in Saudi Arabia,” the Danish coach argued. “ L M A O
2023-10-03 20:27
"Money is not the reason" - yeah, danish Neymars.
2023-10-03 20:35
they will probably create the first super team in cs2. they can buy whoever they want
2023-10-03 20:40
If magisk leaves too this will be a big loss for Vita.
2023-10-03 20:41
#184
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United Kingdom Leftie
Dang, Falcons sitting on a secret gold pot?!
2023-10-03 20:54
2 replies
secret? what's secret about falcons?
2023-10-03 21:44
Oil pot.
2023-10-04 07:00
Give Robban a call
2023-10-03 20:56
#189
apEX | 
India bywoo
-magix -zonic +nertz +xtqzz vita top 3
2023-10-03 21:04
1 reply
also majority israeli roster pogg
2023-10-03 21:21
not to put any shame on zonic, he is a legend but this roster would be lucky to hit tier2
2023-10-03 21:21
4 replies
also, if magisk gonna leave - vitality should go for b1t, that roster would be sick
2023-10-03 21:32
Pretty sure he‘s bringing someone with him. Might not be Magisk but maybe Dupreeh to build a stable team and switch out players in the next 6 month if they‘re not working good&fast enough
2023-10-03 21:49
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#248
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Building a team from scratch again with individual pieces from all over.. worked so well in the past. Sure, the Saudis might have the money for insane transfers and buyouts that wasn't really possible before but it would still be a tough one to pull off.
2023-10-03 23:17
#298
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France GoIMP
zonic has a boundless budget to assemble the team he wants. this is every coach dream
2023-10-04 05:55
SA is progressive and about to be more open country.... Yeah please sit that down and tell that to the literal slaves they use, or the the half of the population that happens to be women. Or the victims to the mercenaries they use to fight their dirty wars. It's called sports washing no matter how you wanna paint it. Where are your balls. Be a man about it and tell the truth, we all know you do it for the money.
2023-10-03 21:28
L for zonic, hope he can scam saudis but he will be kicked on 4 months
2023-10-03 21:44
lmfao botality tried to cut his pay ofc the man will leave
2023-10-03 21:47
Wtf?????
2023-10-03 21:58
#217
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France Vekaras
Tough pill to swallow but what can we do... Without getting into politics, he will basically be able to build the dream roster with no pre established system and pretty much unlimited money.
2023-10-03 22:01
#218
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Norway fuxzer
Ofc he is going for the money, no point in lying
2023-10-03 22:02
#223
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Latvia DINGUU
wtf
2023-10-03 22:14
#226
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Palestine M0en_
Its joeover for vitality
2023-10-03 22:19
#227
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Russia mshkoda
harumi was right
2023-10-03 22:20
next 9/11 is gonna be crazy well coordinated
2023-10-03 22:22
Zonic now: I am from Egypt. Falcons yay Zonic after 4 months when Falcons disband: youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5Ha6l6lhE
2023-10-03 22:27
VITALITY IS A SUPER STUPID ORG.
2023-10-03 22:54
#239
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Sweden Akoulad
lost all respect for zonic "its not about money" > takes blood money from the saudis
2023-10-03 22:58
5 replies
You'd do the same, bigot.
2023-10-03 23:03
4 replies
#243
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Sweden Akoulad
Am I saying otherwise? But with that amount of money I'd at least own up to it and not spew lies. Nice response though, expected from a 12yo mouz fan!
2023-10-03 23:08
3 replies
Ad hominem, as expected from a 6yo fnatic fangirl.
2023-10-03 23:14
2 replies
#249
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Sweden Akoulad
> Insults me I provide a valid and reasonable argument anyway > Cannot provide a counter argument and insults me again Thanks for proving my point! Now go eat your mini dino chicken nuggets!
2023-10-03 23:18
1 reply
Its bad PR for the org if zonic just joined, to say "yeah its only because of the money", no way he can do that. And you would never say that in a interview.
2023-10-04 00:38
#250
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Finland AliSabid
Going to be interesting for sure..
2023-10-03 23:18
Holy shit how did you miss this one karrigan and Faze. Karrigan could reunite with goat coach instead in NEO, big L for lost opportunity.
2023-10-03 23:18
1 reply
#263
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Bahamas CantBanMe
+1
2023-10-04 00:01
When Vitality won the major Zonic didn't look as happy a I would've imagined it, during interview looked even a bit embarrassed. It looks like he didn't have a role he wanted in Vitality, we all know apex is a friend with the owner and that definitely has to create power issues within the team. Also since the signing, spinx and flamez mostly just praise each other ignoring everyone else, I know that their community is tight but it's a 5 man team and wouldn't hurt to remember the names of other team mates.... On top of that, Vitality won the fucking major in Paris of all places, they have to be doing pretty well with sponsorship money over there - yet to ask Zonic for a pay cut? Like we all know where that pay cut goes, in some higher up manager's pockets. You make him remove one of his friends for a player who sure isn't cheap to get and he has to take a pay cut for that? wtf I don't blame him for leaving that project tbh
2023-10-03 23:44
8 replies
+1 lost all respect for Vitality after -dupreeh, never would have thought it can go negative, imagine Man City asking Pep Guardiola for a pay cut after he finally won Champions League for them lmao, vitality really trying hard to overtake Astralis as the worst org in CS.
2023-10-04 00:15
7 replies
#269
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France HippzZ
Man City has huge money Vita don't have a lot of money for CS Bad comparison
2023-10-04 00:29
6 replies
If you don’t have money don’t sign best of the best staff and tell them to take a pay cut after they did their job exactly like you asked for if not better and won trophies for you especially major on home soil. Vitality is clearly the best team of 2023 and after these results zonic and staff probably even deserved a raise and Vitality has the audacity to not even leave them at same salary and tried to force them to take a cut with blackmailing by not extending the contract? Sorry let me correct myself Vitality is the trashiest organization in CS. Astralis didn’t ask their players to take a cut after they won 3 majors in row, they asked them to take a cut because of COVID and online era so there was at least some sane reasoning. With Vitality it’s straight up greed. I really hope someone in the future convices Zywoo to leave this joke of a org.
2023-10-04 04:47
5 replies
#342
RpK | 
France HippzZ
Bruh at least you are straight forward, you just don't like Vita It is how economics works, do you think Vita was happy to ask for cuts ? They did what they had to do, they have a lot shareholders who only care about figures, no deficit in the P&L. Not every orgs are like Faze who can afford to lose thousands every month
2023-10-04 13:49
4 replies
Maybe you are right, but I worked for number of companies (no esport) and most of the time it is straight up greed and trying to f over with employees. If you think Vita are happy family and they asked zonic to cut with heavy heart you must be delusional.
2023-10-04 15:23
3 replies
#356
RpK | 
France HippzZ
Esports are different, it isn't a profitable sector I am not saying that Vita is a happy family either but I never heard of any bad story about the management etc
2023-10-04 15:34
2 replies
It can be profitable if you run it correctly. Business is business and most of the management is the same with similar mentality. It’s not like once you join esport you become different person with different attitude. Asking for a cut after delivering better results than what you asked for is utter disrespect no matter the org. Save somewhere else there are a lot of different ways to deal with situation then just braindead salary cuts. It is not only about money, Vitality really have to believe they can do it without zonic, since it could also mean -magisk. I already said it, it’s like Man City asked Pep Guardiola to take a cut after last season where he won treble for them including Champions League.
2023-10-04 15:45
1 reply
#360
RpK | 
France HippzZ
I think it can be profitable if you run it very good, not just correctly. Like last year only Ence was really positive if I recall. What I mean is that it creates a lot of pressure among all stakeholders + we don't really know what happened concretly so we should not try to be too much emotional about this
2023-10-04 15:45
It's never about the money. Just say the fucking truth buddy
2023-10-04 00:25
1 reply
#270
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France HippzZ
+1 I respect his choice and I am sure Falcons is an interest project but the main reason is the huge salary
2023-10-04 00:30
#275
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Hungary ShadYyBoy
"Not about the money" Sure sure, Ronaldo said the same thing:((((
2023-10-04 02:06
#276
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Indonesia ycrows
all I gotta say is go get the bag !!!!!
2023-10-04 02:12
Half respect for vitality was gone after dupreeh move. Now rest is gone after this. Most ungrateful org ever. Only reason to watch vitality is ZywOo and magisk. I hope ZywOo leaves the org somehow and they become irrelevant.
2023-10-04 03:07
#282
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China Jimmyzera
Vitality is dogshit
2023-10-04 04:03
uhmmm lets see if vitality maintains form and if falcons improves
2023-10-04 04:46
For the money or not it'd be amazing to have this chance, tools and budget. I'm sick of apex being vicious after winning as if Denmark didn't help him get those trophies. Guy acts like a monkey and has no grace at all.
2023-10-04 05:22
1 reply
French CS for you, literally the most circlejerking nation in CS
2023-10-08 03:17
fuck this, a legend coach is just like a legend player. gotta be one unity :(
2023-10-04 05:43
#297
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France GoIMP
Vitality only won major because the danes brought their superior cs knowledge to the frenchies and its management wants to make a paycut in the most accomplished and notorious coach's salary. Fabulous.
2023-10-04 05:50
2 replies
#343
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France HippzZ
Zonic himself said that when he joined Vita, Apex was ahead in the meta compared to them. Should I listen to GoIMP or Zonic? Also Vita started to play better when Zonic gave Apex more freedom
2023-10-04 13:51
1 reply
And NIP is 5 steps ahead of Astralis
2023-10-08 03:14
#314
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Israel RoyBenji
Wtf asking for paycut? They just signed a player for free, can sell the old one, won a major, won another million dollars event and still ask for pay cut? Anyways it's not good for us boys. I still don't see falcons being any good
2023-10-04 06:47
saudi shill
2023-10-04 06:50
jackz for coach 2023
2023-10-04 06:52
will falcon be the PSG of cs? money without passion
2023-10-04 07:15
blood money
2023-10-04 07:18
He will not come close to win any big titles with Falcons and one has to wonder how he will be more challenged in Falcons vs Vitality. Isn't it a challenge enough to try and win the biggest tournaments and keep the team at #1 in the world? It must be a big pay cut and wonder how Falcons can afford to pay the big $$.
2023-10-04 07:41
#325
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Oceania ZeroVEVO
arab money wild
2023-10-04 07:44
The question is, who the heck will you be able to get for your team? Vitaly already has the best player in the world, along with three elite riflers. The team boasts a balance between young talent and experienced players, making them the favorites to win the upcoming major events. I doubt the Falcons will be able to find elite players willing to commit to this project. It's clear that he's exaggerating about the project, and there's not even a tiny bit of logic in leaving Vitality. He chose the money (which is understandable, given that he has a family). The problem here is that he doesn't need to delve into all these irrelevant aspects during the interview; I believe their project won't last more than a year. In my opinion, it doesn't matter how badly he fails with that team because of his legacy, and elite teams will still want to sign him once Falcons collapses.
2023-10-04 08:12
Damn oil money...wild
2023-10-04 09:23
Your turn Vita, who you gonna sign? Interresting times
2023-10-04 10:07
couldnt care less just admit it was for money
2023-10-04 10:41
I'd take the bag also ngl, he already have won everything anyway.
2023-10-04 14:00
that aint gonna help falcons with current roster
2023-10-04 14:17
1 reply
Falcons will go Danish
2023-10-04 19:16
Tbf if the org youre working under WANTS the money and to let you go, while you are offered basically an early retirement fund for working a couple years, we would all take it. And hey, imagine zonic wins another
2023-10-04 18:25
going where the big paychecks are
2023-10-04 20:29
He will regret it
2023-10-04 22:17
Someone: *accepts massive bag for a move to a significantly less competitive team or league* Also that someone: „I totally didn’t do it for the money* Every. Single. Time.
2023-10-04 23:41
1 reply
In the case of Saudi: Very likely because it is part of the contract. The sportswashing wouldn't be as effective otherwise.
2023-10-05 03:06
#389
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United Kingdom k0nd3k
I did not see this coming. Uncertain times coming for Vitality. As for Falcons? Who gives a shit.
2023-10-04 23:42
#393
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Philippines sijibats
We're on the era where NBK and bodyy is considered low tier
2023-10-05 01:15
#397
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Germany phillo283
Dupreeh and magisk will join falcon after this move is done, pretty Sure. No way they stay there without zonic.
2023-10-05 08:14
zonics law strikes again
2023-10-05 11:09
#400
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Poland Limbos
oil money
2023-10-05 11:44
zonic chasing the big oil money
2023-10-05 11:59
What's going on with Vitality. First dupreeh and now Zonic.
2023-10-05 12:05
#404
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Brazil Sukoru
"It was not the money, it was the money." LMAO
2023-10-05 13:33
#405
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Austria mo_bamba
Zonic "TWO FACED TOLEDO"
2023-10-05 13:36
I could respect Zonic when He said "I do it ofc for the money" His moral arguments are just bad takes and absolutely not honest. Lost all respect. Honesty is an important part of a good character if you can't offer that I don't think I have to like you. That is also a reason why like a guy like S1mple. He is in CS as honest as possible. He would say I do it for the money...
2023-10-05 13:45
#407
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Sweden multib
With Saudi money Falcons can probably buy a superstar team, money in cs is nothing in terms of oil money
2023-10-05 14:09
#408
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Austria DrLagAlot
Jesus, all these folks selling their soul..
2023-10-05 14:19
how much they paid?
2023-10-05 20:41
#420
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Finland dvlx
zonic is the biggest talent in recent history he deserves all the money he gets
2023-10-07 17:56
1 reply
Maybe if apEX didn’t act like a complete monkey, they would have more sponsors and could pay both their players and coach more money He is literally being kept from hes social media pages because he can’t stop saying stupid shit
2023-10-08 03:51
oil
2023-10-08 10:00
1 reply
#435
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United States Primrose
you right
2023-10-09 00:02
Yea everybody will go to falcocks and that team will still be a tier 2 at the best XD
2023-10-10 13:37
#437
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Turkey emre114
manchester city in cs2 lol
2023-10-10 22:22
Even Zonic cant save those untalented roster. They got zero logic while playing.
2023-10-13 00:12
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