cadiaN on botched FPX transfer in 2020: “I could understand es3tag”

As the Danish player prepares to leave Heroic, he reminisced about his time with the organization.

cadiaN is looking back at this time with Heroic

In the first of a three-part video series produced by Heroic, Casper "⁠cadiaN⁠" Møller reflected on the initial two years of his tenure with the organization after being signed from North in the fall of 2019.

cadiaN spoke about how Heroic’s offer helped him bounce back during a difficult period of his career as he was considering his options after spending almost six months on the bench.

When he joined Heroic, the size of the organization came as a bit of a shock to him.

“The Heroic organization, back in 2019, 2020 was quite something,” he said. “Five players, a coach, and a CEO. There was this team manager who was then removed for stealing money from us, equipment and stuff like that. That was about it. Maybe there was a content guy as well.

“It was a very small organization, and it definitely didn't have the same staff as some of the other organizations. That kind of came along the way, with our wins and rise in the rankings.”

cadiaN also touched on the protracted saga involving Heroic and FunPlus Phoenix in the spring of 2020. Days after the Chinese organization announced the signing of Heroic’s roster to participate in Flashpoint, it was reported that Patrick "⁠es3tag⁠" Hansen had agreed to join Astralis in the summer.

Then-Heroic CEO Erik Askered accused Astralis of acting “in bad faith” and “considerably” affecting the sale of the roster. In the end, the deal fell through, and the players returned to Heroic despite having already played one Flashpoint match under FPX’s banner in Los Angeles.

“All of a sudden there was a disagreement about salaries, contract lengths, and the amount of money they had to pay Heroic and whatnot,” cadiaN explained. “The deal collapsed, we were in the middle of LA, COVID broke out and we had to make roster changes.

“Astralis approached es3tag and he wanted to go. Then I convinced him to stay, [but] in the end, he still ended up having to go. Back then, you could understand the move to Astralis because they were in a different position than Heroic.

“I was upset with Heroic, FPX, and honestly also Flashpoint. I think the only one I wasn't that angry with was es3tag. I hoped he would go a different route, but I could understand him.”

If you don't see the video above, you can view it here.

Despite the setback, the team continued on an upward trajectory after signing René "⁠TeSeS⁠" Madsen and Nikolaj "⁠niko⁠" Kristensen, developing a unique style of play that began to yield success in the online era. But in February 2021, after a run of mixed results, Heroic jumped at the opportunity to sign Rasmus "⁠sjuush⁠" Beck and Ismail "⁠refrezh⁠" Ali from MAD Lions.

"sjuush was a guy that we had been looking at for a long time because of his anchor positions and him being able to play them super well," he said. "He was one of a kind in that position in Denmark at that time. That was a no-brainer.

“The refrezh one was very interesting. We had a lot of different ideas about who the last guy could be. We talked to aizy, Kjaerbye and es3tag a little bit. We were not entirely sure, but, in the end, the talks with him about his work mentality and how he would fit into the group and what TeSeS and stavn knew about him from prior teams made us lean in that direction.

“There was no doubt that aizy and Kjaerbye were not motivated to the same level as refrezh. Even though they had a higher skill ceiling, at least at that time, and way more achievements and experience, we went with a guy who was hungry and wanted to work hard and fit the system and the culture.

“For me, that’s something I’ll never regret, picking players who might be 1 or 2 percent less skilled but are 20 or 30 percent better for the team environment and for the culture.”

cadiaN argued that the team played some “beautiful CS” during their honeymoon period with the new roster and spoke highly of the rivalry they developed with Gambit, which culminated in a thrilling five-map ESL Pro League Season 13 grand final that lasted seven hours. That was when cadiaN pulled off his famous series-winning 1v4 clutch on Mirage.

There’s no mention during this first part of former Heroic coach Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen, who was slapped with an eight-month ban in 2020 for using the spectator bug. He was later banned a second time for two years for leaking "sensitive" internal documents to Astralis ahead of a move to the Danish rival. In December 2022, after a meeting with the Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC), his ban was lifted.

The release of the interview series comes as cadiaN prepares to bring an end to his time on Heroic after the organization benched him in early October, citing "differing visions for the future".

He is reportedly on his way to Liquid, though he will still play one final tournament for the team, the BLAST Premier Fall Final in Copenhagen, later this month.

Denmark Ismail 'refrezh' Ali
Ismail 'refrezh' Ali
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1249
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.65
Denmark René 'TeSeS' Madsen
René 'TeSeS' Madsen
Age:
22
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1041
KPR:
0.71
DPR:
0.67
Denmark Patrick 'es3tag' Hansen
Patrick 'es3tag' Hansen
Age:
27
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1397
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Rasmus 'sjuush' Beck
Rasmus 'sjuush' Beck
Age:
24
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.02
Maps played:
1034
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.64
Denmark Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Nikolaj 'niko' Kristensen
Age:
25
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.01
Maps played:
1375
KPR:
0.68
DPR:
0.66
Denmark Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Casper 'cadiaN' Møller
Age:
28
Team:
Rating 1.0:
1.04
Maps played:
1667
KPR:
0.69
DPR:
0.62
#1
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Korea jin67300
nice Let's Go cadiaN
2023-11-16 18:03
2 replies
holy shit i forgot about that whole shindig, could've been such a crazy move
2023-11-16 18:13
#20
Ma | 
Russia DriIla
its 2023 move on... we've heard this story
2023-11-16 18:19
Another move that broke Heroic
2023-11-16 18:04
#3
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England Triturn
Will the Danish fans still cheer for Astralis and boo Heroic in Copenhagen?
2023-11-16 18:03
33 replies
100%. even when greatest of all time dupreeh is in heroic
2023-11-16 18:13
1 reply
I think dupreeh will get an applause, but the rest of heroic wont. If they make it to playoffs.
2023-11-16 19:39
#19
NiKo | 
India RycerZ
Yes IMO. Recent Chinese (CAC) event showed how much people liked Astralis even though Faze was clear favorite. I am referencing a segment where Banks was hyping crowd up with choice between Faze and Astralis. 70% people where in Astralis favor, judging from how loud they were. So Danes will definitely cheer for Astralis heavily against Heroic imo.
2023-11-16 18:17
25 replies
#21
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England Triturn
sad to see
2023-11-16 18:21
21 replies
It actually is. Asstralis has shown time and time again how shitty and shady of an org they are and yet people still look up to them so much
2023-11-16 18:54
6 replies
Only reason for Astralis' popularity, is because of dev1ce. He's one of the greatest players to touch the game, and he's super likable. Has nothing to do with the org.
2023-11-16 18:59
5 replies
so is dupreeh and i bet he will get booed as well if Heroic meets Astralis in Copenhagen.
2023-11-16 19:58
4 replies
Goatpreeh will silence the crowd
2023-11-16 22:09
1 reply
#61
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United States chokyy
Dadpreeh 0.7 rating
2023-11-16 22:23
Not gonna argue about this, since you are determined to not understand that there is a big difference in popularity between dev1ce and dupreeh whether you see that or not.
2023-11-16 22:12
No way Duppe will get booed
2023-11-17 09:24
#41
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Denmark Saithz
Bruh you have a Faze flair arguably the most scummy org on the planet along with nip ahahah
2023-11-16 20:43
13 replies
Unlike Astralis though, most of the scummy stuff they did had nothing to do with their CS division, and was mainly focused on idiotic teens in faze pulling crypto scams. Astralis, on the other hand, had ALL of the controversy around them based on their CS division
2023-11-16 20:48
10 replies
#44
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Denmark Saithz
Other than signing hunden and the heroic controversy they didnt really do anything scummy
2023-11-16 21:04
8 replies
#46
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England Triturn
Talking to Stavn and Jabbi behind Heroic’s back?
2023-11-16 21:06
7 replies
#48
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Denmark Saithz
You act like poaching players isnt normal practice, literally every org talks to players agents without consulting the org to see if theyre willing to transfer
2023-11-16 21:10
6 replies
none quite at the level of Astralis
2023-11-16 21:47
5 replies
#77
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Denmark Saithz
Literally the only time they have done so
2023-11-17 00:57
4 replies
#90
HooXi | 
Germany aName
They have poached es3tag amid a heroic deal with fpx, they poached hunden and told him to leak and lock internal documents before a tournament, they just kicked one of the best awp igls and poached 2 more players from heroic, and lets not forget selling device to NIP for 3 years and 1 million, only for device to sit out the contract after benching himself a couple months in, as well as fucking bubzjki over by benching him for around a year. 5 controversies. Name a org with more.
2023-11-17 09:50
3 replies
#98
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Denmark Saithz
Esetag wasnt poached, literally the whole team and heroic knew he were in talks with Astralis, it didnt happen behind their back It isnt confirmed whether Astralis had anything to do with cadian being kicked Device taking a sick leave on nip had nothing to do with Astralis And bubzkji was told from the moment he joined Astralis that he was a substitute and never intended as part of the main roster. He had several offers from smaller orgs but refused so it was by his own choice he stayed In other words you’re talking out your ass
2023-11-17 17:03
2 replies
funny how you didnt mention hunden
2023-11-18 09:23
1 reply
#106
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Denmark Saithz
I mentioned him earlier #44
2023-11-18 15:42
+100
2023-11-17 16:11
#89
HooXi | 
Germany aName
difference is, faze fucks over their fans, NIP fucks over their own players, and Astralis fucks over heroic
2023-11-17 09:37
1 reply
#96
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Denmark Saithz
Pretty accurate
2023-11-17 16:07
but faze didn't play astralis in CAC? Which segment are you referencing?
2023-11-16 18:41
1 reply
#31
NiKo | 
India RycerZ
Yep they didn't played each other. Banks and Chinese translator were having fun with crowd, asking them who is their favorite player and all, many came up with Device, BlameF, Ropz, Twistzz names kinda 50% 50% in those. Banks even asked them to mimic their favorite player, BlameF one was hilarious with this pose hltv.org/player/15165/blamef . lol even the guy was jacked as blameF. So to settle debate bank opted to ask which team they all support between Faze and Astralis. It kinda shocked me how many Astralis fans were there. Even though its been many years since they have been relevant. I tried finding clip but couldn't.
2023-11-16 19:14
#50
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
I mean copenhagen loves karrigan too so idk
2023-11-16 21:14
Just like the Swedish fans booed 2014 Fnatic because they where Nip fanboys...
2023-11-16 18:41
1 reply
#51
swag | 
Cyprus Porgos
Fnatic in 2014 was like the villains of csgo i remember if any player from fnatic had a semi shady play 100 threads will be made in reddit claiming fnatic is cheating etc. I feel like they got the most undeserved hate out of every team in cs, but then they shut everyone up by becoming the goats of the game
2023-11-16 21:18
#34
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Antigua and Barbuda qezar
yeah, they see only brands and money, nothing else
2023-11-16 19:43
probably opposite now. Alot of danes tired of Astralis bad management by now and how they keep kicking promising talents and not giving them any chance
2023-11-16 19:58
Astralis (and csgo esports in general) has gained a lot of mainstream media attention. I think a good portion of the fans attending in copenhagen will be more casual fans that doesn't follow the drama behind the scenes. So i expect every danish flag in a roster will get a cheer in the arena.
2023-11-17 07:34
nice
2023-11-16 18:03
let's go cadian win fall finals!!
2023-11-16 18:04
2 replies
imagine Heroic winning proper tournaments instead of only Blast qualifiers lmao
2023-11-16 21:06
1 reply
agree lol the 2 tourneys they won were both blast (paid teams) but still it would be fucking cool
2023-11-17 11:36
Now that the rats are gone why won’t they keep cadiaN?
2023-11-16 18:04
4 replies
I think heroic is just going under. They were financially in trouble before the news and that’s with winning a lot. A good time to cash out to liquid. Then sjuush next is my guess or a package deal with teses
2023-11-16 18:13
Would you go back to your workplace if you got dropped cause of your colleagues? They chose his colleagues over him, why would he want to go back there once those "colleagues" leave the workplace?
2023-11-16 18:13
why should he go back when the org chose his teammates over him, which was a scheme in itself.
2023-11-16 18:17
1 reply
I say all good cs orgs disband over drama and let the scene run rampid with Tylul clans ORKS as well
2023-11-16 18:33
CADIAN DO IT!
2023-11-16 18:06
somehow cadian is tranforming from one of the most hated players into one of the most loved players after the 'stabbi' incident
2023-11-16 18:06
6 replies
since when cadian was one of the most hated?
2023-11-17 06:30
3 replies
hello? they even made copy pasta about how much people hate him
2023-11-17 15:53
2 replies
Who they? Never seen it
2023-11-17 17:23
1 reply
his haters bro, its actually a good copy pasta
2023-11-17 20:16
#104
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Poland Hellp3r
People cant remember what was last month, thats just silly. He is still a cheater that forced himself to cry Infront of camera just so people would believe him XD.
2023-11-18 11:47
1 reply
remember when he had brazil flag in RIO ? in the final
2023-11-18 15:42
Esetag
2023-11-16 18:06
#10
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Paraguay LifeHater
I expected him talking about stavn and Jabbi or his move to Liquid but I guess it's too early to ask him these things
2023-11-16 18:07
#11
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Israel RoyBenji
Cadian literally made Heroic, rip org
2023-11-16 18:09
#12
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Germany Links234
we need anotehr Danish super team. preferrably with Staehr
2023-11-16 18:10
Chadian.
2023-11-16 18:14
I hope CadiaN changes his mind and sticks to heroic
2023-11-16 18:25
3 replies
Unfortunately as someone mentioned they have financial problems.
2023-11-16 19:18
2 replies
#39
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Macau nWuyuz
2023-11-16 20:07
1 reply
Yes, exactly that
2023-11-17 10:26
the goat
2023-11-16 18:32
Favourite player always love when a player lives and breathes the game and not play it only for salary like most of the pros these days
2023-11-16 18:34
#29
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Luxembourg Maurizi0
Who?
2023-11-16 18:54
Cool
2023-11-16 19:51
"There was this team manager who was then removed for stealing money from us, equipment and stuff like that. " I don't know why but it made me laugh harder than it should.
2023-11-16 19:51
2 replies
Thanks for typeing this! My thoughts exactly haha
2023-11-16 20:19
IKR, just casually mentions it
2023-11-17 07:56
“Nicolai "⁠HUNDEN⁠" Petersen, who was slapped with an eight-month ban in 2020 for using the spectator bug. He was later banned a second time for two years for leaking "sensitive" internal documents to Astralis ahead of a move to the Danish rival. In December 2022, after a meeting with the Esports Integrity Commission (ESIC), his ban was lifted” Why did HLTV just blatantly lie about this? The ban was lifted because Hunden threatened to sue the ESIC which has no money…
2023-11-16 21:03
5 replies
why would ESIC have no money?
2023-11-16 21:09
4 replies
No funding
2023-11-16 21:19
3 replies
then what is Intel doing as their partner?
2023-11-16 21:25
1 reply
Good boy points for intel
2023-11-16 23:13
ESIC is literally funded by some of the biggest tech comanies as well as every other TO. You imagine Hunden to have more money than that? Also how would he be able to sue them if he wasnt right? your argument simply makes 0 sense.
2023-11-17 00:15
culture, harmony and team spirit is on top of his list. he will never reach that in TL. never ever...
2023-11-16 21:11
2 replies
yes ofc, but the new liquid is looking pretty good.What's left in heroic is not that good, they need 2 more riflers and i hardly doubt they will have the "luck" they had untill now with the players.
2023-11-17 09:24
1 reply
Heroic is on a path of oblivion. No future. I hope they will release teses and Rasmus from their contracts and go with a norwegian lineup.
2023-11-18 00:28
GL CADIAN. hope you find a place to call home in liquid
2023-11-16 21:18
gigachad Cadian.
2023-11-16 21:34
cadiaN <3
2023-11-16 21:41
Will be interesting to see cadiaN in a new team.
2023-11-16 22:09
I never was the biggest fan of cadiaN, but I'd really like to see him and Heroic win the Fall Final. Would be a beautiful end to his journey with the organisation
2023-11-17 00:58
1 reply
#79
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Canada Tachire
"The last dance" It would be so poetic, he brought the team together, gave his energy for it. He is ready and he and Heroic will do it
2023-11-17 01:13
"Then-Heroic CEO Erik Askered accused Astralis of acting “in bad faith” and “considerably” affecting the sale of the roster. In the end, the deal fell through, and the players returned to Heroic despite having already played one Flashpoint match under FPX’s banner in Los Angeles." Very in character for astralis
2023-11-17 04:58
#82
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Bulgaria eed123
Before making Cadian "hero" lets wait and see what actually was problem with "stabbi" situation How and why it comes to this situation...
2023-11-17 05:43
2 replies
We're still waiting for stavn's "truth" that will prevail
2023-11-17 06:34
1 reply
everyone knows he was just coping
2023-11-22 09:38
#93
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Sweden Vrede
win last trophy then go to TL
2023-11-17 14:54
Now someone judt dave sjuush. Hes too amazing to stay in heroic.
2023-11-18 10:48
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