budak: "GuX did not trust SK"

SK Gaming manager Anton Budak has played down the critiques made by fnatic and Rasmus "GuX" Stahl.

Stahl and fnatic had claimed that one of the reasons which led to the player's unhappiness at SK Gaming was the fact that he had not received any salary or his share of the team's winnings.

Budak says it was Stahl's own fault for this situation, as he affirms that it is SK's policy not to pay their players unless they are legally tied down to the organisation by contracts.

"Gux had a contract lying at home for five months but refused to sign it. We told him to sign it and send it to the SK offices so he could get his salary and his prize money, but he didn't. He answered that he didn't trust SK," Budak told rakaka.se.

"We don't pay salaries if the players don't sign their contracts, that's the way it's handled everywhere. I could easily triple his pay if he wanted to, but loyalty and team spirit (his words, actually) are more important to me than being the best team in the world."

The SK manager also criticized fnatic's handling of the case, saying they started disturbing the player with an offer to return right after the ESWC finals.

"The fact that fnatic made Gux leave SK the day the team leaves for Arbalet Dallas is completely unprofessional. To even offer him a place in the lineup the day before we leave for Dallas must mean they are scared of us," Budak said.

"We were feeling everything was going well and they were feeling bad after their latest efforts; I do not think they could handle that. Luckily for us, we feel even more motivated now and we're counting the days until we can meet them in a game.

"I will not go into names, but that a fnatic player consistently rushed Gux by calling him daily right after they placed bad in two tournaments in a row is also rotten. It wouldn't be a problem if Gux came after Arbalet and told me he wanted to leave, but to do this just one day before the tournament is just wrong."

Budak also questioned Stahl's reason to depart fnatic in January, only to return to the team half a year later, saying: "People speculated about why he left fnatic; he wanted to study, he wanted to become a fireman and so on, but it's simple: he didn't feel comfortable in the team. He didn't hang out with the fnatic guys during tournaments and it was obvious that he felt that way when he chose to leave fnatic for SK."

Sk ftw
2010-07-15 00:20
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2010-07-15 00:54
12 replies
do u really consider that funny?
2010-07-15 01:29
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Paque | 
Serbia Paque
my favorite team is sk . .. and i think it is funny xD
2010-07-15 02:02
2 replies
then we have a totally diferent concept of "funny" :D
2010-07-15 02:03
you are bot :DD <3
2010-12-07 22:25
well i thought it was funny! buyt im pretyty drunk too! :D
2010-07-15 02:18
5 replies
ahah oh right, maybe thats why i dont find it funny.. usually at this time, im high so.. :)
2010-07-15 02:20
3 replies
It's also funny when you're high...
2010-07-15 10:10
2 replies
do you really think he is HIGh? Hes probably 14 anyways, he's mother would whoop his ass if he even tries to smoke normal smokes, imagine if he tries weed :|
2010-07-15 12:23
1 reply
"to smoke normal smokes" ooh oh ohh its magicc u knoww(8) never believe its not sooooooooo (8)
2010-07-15 14:45
you are drinking alcohol in sweden? :s
2010-07-15 18:44
I dont think so! www.youtube.com/watch?v=IR-Q8Fy2QQk
2010-07-15 13:01
tht one was freaking funny :D:D:D
2010-12-14 08:26
Sorry SK, but I don't trust you either. Not all people here are idiots you know. Your history already speaks for itself. Stop making excuses and do the right thing for once.
2010-07-15 03:48
1 reply
why is he playing in tournaments and not even signed. they shouldnt have had him at events in the first place
2010-07-15 16:06
why would GuX play without receiving any money for 5 months if all he had to do was sign a contract? sounds like a fishy lie made up to me. and gux himself admitted that sk would not pay him and fnatic were compensating for his loss of wages by SK. SK has gone down hill as an organization the past few years.
2010-07-15 04:37
3 replies
u are right i aint trusting SK ....
2010-07-15 05:22
maybe gux wanted to stay as a "freelancer" and could change team anytime if he wanted to?
2010-07-15 10:31
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Estonia FrispeN
its just funny because why would SK keep a player who "is so lazy to sign a contracht." Its also funny that SK is crying because fnatic got GuX a day before they left to Dallas. But if you are not contracted to player why should he come? budak is budak, I wouldn't trust him.
2010-07-15 12:35
Singapore Nephalith
Woots. More dramas.
2010-07-15 00:21
1 reply
he wanted to study, he wanted to become a fireman and so on :DDDDDD FIREMAN LOL
2010-07-15 00:44
Budaks statement really makes me wonder - Is this really true or not? Sam / Gux said that he hasn't gotten any salary from the SK-organisation for the past two months. Budaks then states that the SK-organisation doesn't pay salaries if players haven't signed their contracts, which Gux has (according to Budak himself) been lying at his home for over five months. Unsigned. = five months without salary. Quote from Sam Mathews: "There was also the issue that Gux had not received salary for the previous two months" Wheres the logic in this? Why did Sam / Gux only mention two months of unpayed salary and not five? I think theres something funny is going on over at SK HQ
2010-07-15 00:25
5 replies
You shouldn't take it that literally, just comes down to the fact that Stahl didn't trust anyone of the SK organisation. I must say that i believe Stahl's wordt over that from budak. fnatic seems to be a better organisation than SK
2010-07-15 00:25
+1 samething happend with tentpole last year
2010-07-15 00:26
well if he didnt sign hes contract he shouldnt get salary :D
2010-07-15 01:56
ahah true
2010-07-15 02:30
omg very well caught !!!!...kalamaka ...i guess u a fnatic supporter :D ......somethings wrong wid Sk hq for sure :)
2010-07-15 05:25
cool story bro'
2010-07-15 00:22
Argentina sebaxinho
2010-07-15 00:22
carecup,sk fails
2010-07-15 00:23
nothing to say
2010-07-15 00:23
1 reply
you did :D
2010-07-15 13:24
ROFL, y like he didnt want to sign, he just gave the salary and pricemoney away! YE RIGHT !!!
2010-07-15 00:24
2 replies
Agree, too cheezy. Why would he refuse to sign it, if he would be paid afterwards...
2010-07-15 00:33
1 reply
2010-07-15 01:48
just stories! whatever..
2010-07-15 00:24
OMG !!! and who should we trust in now ? SK Vs Gux ? = /
2010-07-15 00:24
Where will this story will end up?
2010-07-15 00:24
4 replies
Frodo jumps in the volcano
2010-07-15 03:35
3 replies
No, it was Smeagol. :( I liked him.
2010-07-15 07:19
2 replies
x D !
2010-07-15 10:16
Blad , my precious , they stolen from us , we will kill to have it back ! GOLLUM GOLLUM.
2010-07-15 11:38
it's just he said she said at this point
2010-07-15 00:25
Maybe he just didn't like the contract, something maybe fishy about it?
2010-07-15 00:26
what ever SK will lose from fnatic anyway...
2010-07-15 00:28
2010-07-15 00:28
-face +zet +tentpole !!
2010-07-15 00:29
6 replies
-face???? -robban, you mean :))
2010-07-15 00:38
4 replies
robban > face tentpole > face zet 60% - 40% face
2010-07-15 01:25
3 replies
face is so much better than any of those :D
2010-07-15 01:57
1 reply
Well here we go with the lineup bullshit again
2010-07-15 02:07
zet 60% - 40% face ... means also i think zet >> face [if ma maths is not bad then ] :P xD
2010-07-15 05:37
neither zet or tentpole are going back to SK. Especialy not zet.
2010-07-15 09:57
/DRAMA But still lame move by fnatic.
2010-07-15 00:30
GuX bastard
2010-07-15 00:32
drama drama drama........... gux real home is in fnatic stop whineing and play some cs
2010-07-15 00:32
Brazil hugoooo
"To even offer him a place in the lineup the day before we leave for Dallas must mean they are scared of us" noway
2010-07-15 00:33
i guess the organization wins the money in the comps but i'd assume gux would have a legal claim to 1/5th of the winnings?
2010-07-15 00:35
We'll never know, but next sk vs fnatic will be hawt for sure:D
2010-07-15 00:35
Singapore Nephalith
Given SK's history of failing to give out paychecks, I'd choose to side with Gux. I mean, which person in the right mind wouldn't sign a contract upon joining a professional team? It doesn't make any sense to me.
2010-07-15 00:37
for f*uck sakes...why did gux said that hes not going on the day their leaving? that not just unprofessional...is unetical too...so unfair to sk... i bet it was get_right who was keep calling him...srry for acusing without evidence...only budak knows who that person is... "The fact that fnatic made Gux leave SK the day the team leaves for Arbalet Dallas is completely unprofessional." it's just f*cked up...who will replace gux now? maybe some ex-mym?? hope delpan :P 2 top awper's on sk... sick line-up :P
2010-07-15 00:38
10 replies
moddi as an stand-in
2010-07-15 00:44
"When f0rest came to me after ESWC and asked if I wanted to reunite with my old team"
2010-07-15 01:16
it was forest.. gux said in fnatic site..
2010-07-15 01:32
4 replies
:O how could u know he is f0rest..... give me that text's link plzz :)
2010-07-15 05:38
3 replies
IT WAS f0rest. Check fnatic website and the statement of Gux.
2010-07-15 08:56
2 replies
actually f0rest was the one who proposed him in fnatic the first time, back in 2009 also.. so i think they are good friends..
2010-07-15 11:12
It was ........ xD hahaha LoL :)
2010-07-18 03:58
I can't really see the unprofessional in it, since it he don't have a contract with SK, then it is just stupid of SK too keep using him and for five months o_O I would call that just as unprofessional.
2010-07-15 20:54
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2010-07-15 21:18
1 reply
Yeah it sucks :P
2010-07-15 21:26
budak ubludok O_O
2010-07-15 00:40
I wouldnt trust them either
2010-07-15 00:40
Can't wait for the next counter claim, this is like watching a soap opera and the plot is untwisting in front of our very eyes!
2010-07-15 00:40
fnatic ftw 4life
2010-07-15 00:41
so gux made the right decision not to trust them !!!Budak is a lame duck !
2010-07-15 00:41
2010-07-15 00:42
sad when sk gonna be better then fnatic gux go away, sk < fnatic now
2010-07-15 00:43
4 replies
If SK brings in Delpan, dennis, manne, ... They'll be at least as good as they were a week ago.
2010-07-15 00:44
3 replies
SK with Xizt can do a lot damege imo
2010-07-15 00:51
1 reply
H2k looks too promising right now, they should stay together.
2010-07-15 01:00
2010-07-15 01:09
Taking into account what happened to Tentpole who I suppose did actually sign his contract this sounds a bit weird honestly. Next episode right after some short commercial break ;) www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/images/smilies/popcorn.gif
2010-07-15 00:44
8 replies
you funi xD
2010-07-15 11:39
oh my god. seriously - I stay at my girlfriend's house for 3 days, and look what I missed :O
2010-07-15 14:00
6 replies
who cares :D 3 days with gf > this bullshit
2010-07-15 14:53
5 replies
totally man!
2010-07-15 15:07
4 replies
Delete #268 ASAP hahaha
2010-07-15 21:06
3 replies
I don't see the need to delete it :P it's not that I'd care that I missed it, it's just a big story which seems to have stirred up the scene in only 3 days :P
2010-07-15 22:05
2 replies
If I were your gf you would see it believe me hahahaha
2010-07-15 22:09
1 reply
well, luckily she's not into e-sports at all :P
2010-07-15 22:58
SK have also had problems with saleries being paid in the past, why should we believe them now. Tentpole left due to payment problems: www.hltv.org/news/2710-tentpole-released-after-pay-row They had problems paying HeatoN and co. back in 2004 before they left to reform NiP. I don't know what to believe. But then again SK why use a player when he doesnt sign the contract...
2010-07-15 00:55
SK has team spoiling history..plz suck balls
2010-07-15 00:48
GUX bastard sucks
2010-07-15 00:49
SK orga sucks !!
2010-07-15 00:52
why should Gux trust an organization who dont pay his salaries? lol bad bad sk :/
2010-07-15 00:55
7 replies
you might want to read the post, no contract, no salary. It's like that in every company, not just with gaming. Basicly Gux is kinda stupid for not signing a contract, even if he didn't trust them i believe SK would be professional enough to set up another, more suitable contract.
2010-07-15 01:07
6 replies
So they dont want to pay him untill he sign a contract, but they still want him to play ? Where is the logic in that ?
2010-07-15 01:23
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Spain ferk
Well, you have one of the best CS players and you don't spend your money in him (except the trip costs).
2010-07-15 02:04
yeah i read it, but why would Gux play for SK without a contract? it sounds a little bit strage... imo, there is something wrong (just Gux can explain the situation now...). why should he leaves fnatic to join sk and play without a salary? if he he didn't felt comfortable in fnatic, why would he re-join now? something is veryyyyy strange here...
2010-07-15 02:46
3 replies
Cause he wants a way out
2010-07-15 12:12
SK did pay his salary for the first 3 months.. but 2 months after that, that causes Gux to leave. anyway, Im on side with Gux. First of all, why would SK accept any player to play under their name without any contract and also pay him a salary for 3 months. And why after that they decided to stop to pay Gux salary? Now, after not paying him for 2 months, SK still expecting Gux loyalty? who in the right mind would do that? wasting time for no money? And when Gux decided to go back with fnatic, they blame him and call him unprofessional? [I wonder why they call him unprofessional, since they did not own him under a professional contract]. But yes its unethical, if u see it on SK views. How about if u see it on Gux PoV? oh, and about the statement that fnatic scared of SK, OMG this is hilarious. Isnt SK who scared that they would achieve nothing without Gux?
2010-07-16 05:56
1 reply
+1, gj :)
2010-07-16 13:22
haha funny...
2010-07-15 00:55
Maybe Gux didn't sign the contract because the contract may have implied he would have to stay there for 1 year, but he wanted to go to fnatic so, he doesn't sign it, but, in my opinion Gux didn't know if he didn't sign that contract that he would not get his salary nor prizemoney. So my advice to be cleared from all charges SK, show us the fu**ing contract for god's sake!
2010-07-15 01:03
gux love f0rest.........
2010-07-15 01:03
Fnatic say that Gux didn't have a signed contract, SK said so too and an obvious reason, why pay a salary and prizemoney to people without contracts? That's just the obvious thing here. I think the right is on SK's side, it's Gux's fault that he didn't "trust the organisation". Why should they trust him when he doesn't trust them?
2010-07-15 01:05
5 replies
+1 totally agree
2010-07-15 01:08
yh yeah watever... gux got back in fnatic now..thats wat he wanted..
2010-07-15 01:15
"Why should they trust him?" They didn't even have to trust him, HE WAS ALREADY PLAYING FOR THEM. As long as he's playing and contributing to them winning tournaments, don't you think the fair thing to do is at least to pay him his share of what he helped make them win?
2010-07-15 01:17
I agree I mean walle and company seem to be happy and being paid, so why wouldn't Gux think he would? Also Gux only started complaining recently where was he the first few months he wasn't getting paid.
2010-07-15 01:27
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+1 Gux didn't trust them so he didn't sign the contract & without signing he won't be paid ... (legal thing). So why did fnatic raised the point of not paying salary to gux even tough fnatic knew that gux isn't under any contract with SK ? ? ? imo fnatic is trying to cover this. "I will not go into names, but that a fnatic player consistently rushed Gux by calling him daily right after they placed bad in two tournaments in a row is also rotten. It wouldn't be a problem if Gux came after Arbalet and told me he wanted to leave, but to do this just one day before the tournament is just wrong." & hope they both show their anger In-game rather than giving statements. GL HF
2010-07-15 08:37
tip for hltv.org: you guys still haven't add BURNING! to the list of participating teams^^
2010-07-15 01:06
SK hasn't been relevant since SpawN and Tentpole and they couldnt persuade and now they lose one of the worlds best players in GuX, sucks for SK cause i think fnatic was scared of a renewed SK team and the emergence of H2K .. the 2009 fnatic team has spoiled f0rest and he was begging GuX to return , now the return of one of the best lineups is brought back .. its up their with the great SK lineup , NoA , old mTw lineup and the current Na'vi dreamteam . Can you imagine Walle and RobbaNs face when they heard the news ? OUCHhhhh can't wait till SK vs fnatic
2010-07-15 01:10
SK FAIL, as always. D13 P15 SK Fnatic FTepicW. Nice move GuX! GL
2010-07-15 01:12
The thing I don't understand is: why is gux playing on a team if he isn't even getting paid for it? Just for fun? :S
2010-07-15 01:14
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i love GuX as a player, but what a fucking dumbass for not signing the contract..in every major job you get with a company you sign a CONTRACT and then get paid.. it's not like allen, walle, robban, or face are complaining about getting paid because they have CONTRACTS that are signed what did GuX expect, to get paid under the table? SK will be more motivated and will be better with moddii imo i'm not an SK fan or a fnatic fan, but i hope SK keeps moddii and they fucking roll fnatic
2010-07-15 01:35
2 replies
i think he needed an excuse to leave from SK to join fnatic. and since he knew he would be asked to rejoin fnatic, he just spent some time (spying SK tactics) and now they are stronger than ever.
2010-07-15 02:51
1 reply
this would make sense if it wasn't a 5 month ordeal.
2010-07-15 11:31
elemeNt, tentpole and GuX = salary problem in SK
2010-07-15 01:22
2010-07-15 01:22
If Gux was concerned about getting pay why did he not take it up with the organization and complain earlier? It seems like all of a sudden in the past week he is upset about not getting paid for some where between 2-5 months. Personally I would be complaining after the first missed pay check. I smell fishy shit all around.
2010-07-15 01:24
Ya, like SK has never stolen players from other orgs before.
2010-07-15 01:27
SK should learn from this and MAKE players sign with them. In a way a feel like this is payback. SK have gayed over so many 5ths in the last year or so.
2010-07-15 01:35
SK = Putin , blablabla .
2010-07-15 01:35
2010-07-15 01:36
ZOMG! Teh drama!!!1
2010-07-15 01:36
very smart GUX.. Fnatic was doing bad, so with a contract at home, ready to sign, u just waited for the perfect time to rejoin fnatic, knowing already that threat would be kicked, if they hadd bad results, which is exactly what happened.. fantastic fnatic, fantastic f0rest, fantastic Gux.. keep up the good work.. and why would SK pay him if he didnt sign the contract? they payed his trips i assume.. and from 5 players, only him claims money from SK, isnt it a little bit weird? Gux, u lost all my respect, i wont ever support u or any of ur team.. u were the player that i wanted to see more, best player in the world imo, but u disappointed me, big time.. GL SK, ADD DELPAN PLS!!
2010-07-15 01:39
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to me it all sounds a bit shady... can't really figure out what it's all about... to me it's really hard to take a point in this situation...everybody is taking accusations against each other... kinda fells like a lot of people are hurt cuz of this situation... we probably won't hear or read about what actually happend.... sad... but that's the most common problem in the world... it's all about the media.....unfortunately.... to be honest i really would've hoped they would add delpan... dsn is known to make damage with rifles.. so it would be be a great addition... or even xizt...
2010-07-15 02:04
12 replies
yeah, u are right.. but i think i want to believe in SK story other than fnatic, it seems reliable.. whatever.. now i just SK to add Delpan and walle to stick to m4/ak.. that would nice..
2010-07-15 02:09
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yep that would be very crucial... everybody is talking about delpan as the best or one of the best awps in the world... an always ignore his rifles skills... to me he is one of the best aimers as well so he would be a very nice adition to SK!!!
2010-07-15 02:24
10 replies
yeah.. i would be happy if SK hire Delpan.. or Barbarr, i am afraid of moddii temper otherwise i would go with him.. :)
2010-07-15 02:28
9 replies
hahahaha true that... i always thought when i whatched moddies povs... damn what a damn good aimer... especially when i saw him play with mym back then... but i always hear about his temper in teams... as if he acts like a little kid... so probably not :)... i would really prefer xizt and manne in a great team like SK... only if they are willing to change some legends....
2010-07-15 02:35
5 replies
i once saw a pov of him, playing in sharkgaming i think, that mix team with khrystal, turkizh, zecer and wazorn, and he was losing and not going to the positions default, and wazorn said something like" i called a default and u wouldnt go for it", something like that, dont really know the exact words.. bottom line, if he really want to play with SK, being called to stand-in is something, he really have to work on his temper and do whatever robban says to.. i mean he is a great aimer, fantastic actually, but he is to unstable from what i hear.. xizt, my goodness he's doing fantastic since fyrrte, khrystal and niko joined h2k, HUGE potential.. :) im sure they'll choose the best for them..
2010-07-15 02:42
4 replies
!!!!!!!!!! altough what i've said... i would love to see h2k stick togehter.... i really like the way they are playin right now.. i don't care if they won the fnatic PLAY.... etc. but they really feel like a team right now... khrystal plays like back in the days in lanklan and giants and sry for all the other members cuz i didnt point them out.. but i really like the way they play... ps. niko plays a hell of an awp these days... and fyrrte was one of the players i always liked in a team... so sk should add delpen that's it :)
2010-07-15 02:52
3 replies
agree.. :D with everything..
2010-07-15 02:55
2 replies
*shaking hands* just got still love for the game ;)
2010-07-15 03:00
1 reply
;) good night mate..
2010-07-15 03:03
What do you in the worst case think, what would moddii have anything to say against walle, robban and allen? Do you really think that moddii (who hasn't succeeded anything compared to any of them especially walle) even would act like a child? Nah.
2010-07-15 02:57
2 replies
thats what im afraid of.. his EGO.. probably, along with GT,f0rest and gux, moddiiis one of the best aimers in sweden, but he is unstable.. he would fit in perfectly in SK, and i hope, if he joins SK, that he stick his head in the sand when robban order him to do anything.. nevertheless, i would go with delpan..
2010-07-15 03:02
1 reply
haha couldn't said it better... moddi would've been a pro player for years if he wouldn't be attached to his temper and ego... i wish him the best with SK in dallas... "you can take him out of the hood, but can't take the hood out of him"... hahhahaha a little reference... altough i still hope he is going to change :) delpan needs to get a spot NOW!!!
2010-07-15 03:10
i think moddi is'nt just a stand in for tournament www.sk-gaming.com/players/
2010-07-15 11:15
1 reply
wow didnt know that...:) gl sk anyway
2010-07-15 12:54
Japan kitzune
omg its just a game
2010-07-15 01:40
3 replies
a game that gives "u" money
2010-07-15 01:42
2 replies
SK idiot team ^^
2010-07-15 01:43
1 reply
i can tell u at least 3/4 person/orga more idiot than SK if u want to..
2010-07-15 02:10
idiot SK recruit MODDII manne Delpan FYRR73 kHRystal > MODDII
2010-07-15 01:43
3 replies
2010-07-15 02:05
why fyrr73 or khrystal 'd leave h2k?
2010-07-15 02:11
seems you know nothing about the international scene
2010-07-15 09:05
btw fnatic fanboys comments are just <3 they are just making my day
2010-07-15 01:43
Denmark mindgames
Anyway, if Gux didn't sign any contract - then why care so much? It's his choice if he wants to leave or not. When a player joins a "professional" organisation like SK-Gaming they should instantly make the new player sign a contract. If a player doesn't get his salary due to the contract, why didn't they just tell him and made him sign in the first place. I really don't get it. It was pretty much the same with Tentpole if I remember correctly(?). I think it's totally bullshit that he goes into why he left fnatic in the first place. I really doubt Gux had problems with the guys from fnatic as he wish to join them again. He just needed a break.
2010-07-15 01:45
I will say it one more time:D - FVCK FNATIC!
2010-07-15 01:49
well sk and fnatic is epic failing past few years, hope to see mym picking up a nice lineup so i can support them, or h2k will be my swedesh team, not likes of sk or fnatic.
2010-07-15 02:00
FUCK THIS CASE! fnatick iz back with guX
2010-07-15 02:01
obviusly sk now is facing the wall because without gux they cant even think to aim above top5 in big events. There no reason to discuss all these things about salaries, unprofessionalism, etc. it's not first time in cs that someone leaves a team neither the last.Dont make it big deal
2010-07-15 02:04
3 replies
Lol.. they have been top5 1000 of times before gux joined...and they are going to be top 5 many times in the future also :).
2010-07-15 02:34
2 replies
i'm talking about present..
2010-07-15 02:41
1 reply
yeb but you are wrong :)...not even top5? haha
2010-07-15 12:56
GuX is shit
2010-07-15 02:10
1 reply
how many times will you post in this thread saying that?
2010-07-15 02:12
fireman? really?
2010-07-15 02:10
so turns out GuX is his own enemy in all of this.. GuX is one confused soul.
2010-07-15 02:12
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United States Brodie
I am very bored so here is WILD SPECULATION TIME: GuX is unhappy with his salary at fnatic GuX decides to leave GuX joins SK GuX knows he can create drama by not signing the contract and make SK withhold salaries GuX plays with SK and shows fnatic they need him back fnatic contacts GuX GuX is grinning HIS PLAN WORKED GuX is tricking fnatic into creating this whole deal that is going on right now GuX joins fnatic and gets a better salary GuX is the greatest troll in eSports history.
2010-07-15 02:16
8 replies
true story
2010-07-15 02:26
ur the greatest troll in here to write that!
2010-07-15 02:28
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United States Brodie
So you see what I did there ...
2010-07-15 02:35
2010-07-15 05:27
well it can have another end looking like this: :] ...GuX is tricking fnatic into creating this whole deal that is going on right now GuX is geting owned because fnatic realy only wanted him to leave SK in which they succeeded GuX then realize that no team want him anymore because he is making drama like this everyhere GuX settle down in a sea urchin business... :D
2010-07-15 12:25
Gux didn't leave fnatic because of low salary.
2010-07-15 14:59
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United States Brodie
That is what he said. That doesn't have to mean that's why he left. So GuX didn't like the team atmosphere, he leaves, he joins SK, he gets offered money and he's back in fnatic? Sounds like a whore to me.
2010-07-16 01:33
Really funny one, the best post so far. That's what happens when employees are unhappy, create a scenario where their old boss pays them a higher salary.
2010-07-16 16:57
2010-07-15 02:19
now i wish to see a fnatic vs Sk Gaming, what a clash it will be
2010-07-15 02:35
SK, BELIEVE ! ..or not?
2010-07-15 02:37
Even though if GuX didn't sign the contract, SK knew he was playing for them. He was carrying their name. He was fragging every opponents to achieve results for SK, the team, and him personally. Yes, he didn't sign the contract (based on Budak's statement). Yes, it's legal for SK not to pay his salary, but the question is where's the ETHIC? Where's the MANNER? Where's SK management's CONSCIENCE? If you own a company and you have a guy working hard for you day and night and without a contract, do you honestly think he deserves to be treated in a way that "Oh you don't have a contract with us, sorry we don't have to and we can't pay you." Of course you can act that way if you're an a**hole. And just for you guys know, the nature of contract doesn't always have to be in the form of paper and ink, there's also a verbal contract which I believe exist between GuX and SK.
2010-07-15 02:38
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2010-07-15 02:44
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United States Brodie
If GuX is not signing the contract there is nothing unethical going on. He HAS the contract, it is in his physical possession, it is up to HIM to sign it and send it in, in order to receive payments. There most likely is a verbal contract involved, it doesn't take much to form a legally binding contract but I'm pretty sure that this contract did not specify compensation in great detail and if it did I am pretty sure a sentence along the lines of "As soon as the written contract is signed, we'll start paying your salary." was spoken by one of SKs managers.
2010-07-15 02:54
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i agree with you
2010-07-15 03:00
It's still unethical. Even though if he didn't sign the contract, that doesn't mean he didn't deserve his 5-month salaries. He deserves it as he helped SK get 2nd place at ESWC. It's just SK didn't want to pay him because of 'legal' reason. "I am pretty sure a sentence along the lines of "As soon as the written contract is signed, we'll start paying your salary." was spoken by one of SKs managers." You can't be sure since you weren't there when the verbal agreement was made. It could happen either way. And based on Tentpole case, I think it's more likely they didn't tell him that specific condition.
2010-07-15 03:29
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United States Brodie
By all means he deserved his 5 months salary and I'm sure he would've gotten his 5 months worth of back payments but because of his own actions, or let's better say the lack of his own actions he hindered SK, who simply stuck by their policies, from putting out those payments. While it is true that I can't be certain about the existence or the contents of a verbal contract I am assuming with a fair amount of confidence that a company that has such (standard) policies like the contract-policy is covering these basic legal safety measurements to ensure that nothing is happening that can hurt them. And even if they did not tell him that condition, it has to be in the written contract which GuX had in his possession. Even if he did not want to sign it, he should at least have read it thoroughly to understand what it was the was refusing to sign.
2010-07-15 03:41
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United States Brodie
Little addendum because I know someone will pick up on me saying I'm "sure" he would get back payments. Even if he did not, it's his fault for letting it come to 5 months without a signed contract. He could've done that within the same day of receiving the contract.
2010-07-15 03:49
well said. logically.
2010-07-15 07:06
You do understand that for SK to pay Gux they need the written contract with Gux's name on it for taxing? There's no way they could've paid him anything if he didn't send a contract back to them
2010-07-16 17:02
gux have been getting paid, but not full amount and no bonuses from turnament wins.
2010-07-15 02:45
Fnatic > SK
2010-07-15 03:19
We are missing the days when bds was around...
2010-07-15 03:21
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I thank is fnatic need Gux come back!
2010-07-15 03:42
Fnatic sucks
2010-07-15 03:29
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How many time will you post the same shit ? Retard
2010-07-15 13:34
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Keeping count of how many times abc's posting the same shit all over. gj!
2010-07-16 16:58
whats the POINT off HATING guX 4 wanting to play in a bether team?? and if he dident want to sign the contract SO FUCKING W000t? i think a person can decide if he wants to sign or notP?!?! i <3 guX AWSOME player! SK is so totally FUCKeD know!! give it 3-6 monthes and t they will kick the hole team! new IMBA SK lineup: face, manne, Delpan, moddi and maybe kHRYSTAL/xizt! that team woud kick ass!
2010-07-15 03:36
it have some logic... but still: Tentpole + Gux > SK... so they can't be wrong...
2010-07-15 03:51
fnatic SUCKS !!!
2010-07-15 03:58
Got a freaking fly in my room and it's driving me crazy! GuX 4 President!
2010-07-15 04:03
guys dont forget about the finance stuff.. even if SK would pay him without his contract signed, how would they justify (financialy speaking, taxes and stuff) the money they just gave GuX? They are a company and they need to stick to the law and pay taxes right? IMO GuX didnt receive is salary simply because he didnt sign his contract - he was not an SK employee therefor e would not receive shit! Now esports speaking, GuX u suck! :D
2010-07-15 04:05
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correct , GuX was his own enemy in all of this, or clever enough to know that fnatic had never been that succesful since they aquired him and GTR and would decide to make them pay him equally and create some leverage , plus it sucks when your boning your teammates Girlfriend and have to travel the world along with him lol..
2010-07-15 07:04
Srs bsns
2010-07-15 04:19
It's a double edged sword, and they are both to blame. Gux didnt sign an agreement because he didnt want to be locked down to a team, especially if he knew Fnatic would ask him 'soon'. Because he had no agreement, he could leave SK whenever he wanted. If SK took a harder stance and 'forced' ALL their players to sign contracts before they compete, then their is no way that he could 'legally' walk out of SK the day before a competition. He should of been made to sign before he even tagged up. I just hope whatever problems caused him to leave the first time, have now somehow fixed themselves.
2010-07-15 04:43
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oh i just had an orgasm on that double edged sword statement... that was like "nerds of wisdom" ...hahaha.....
2010-07-15 05:35
Gux is shit.
2010-07-15 05:11
maybe gux should have signed the contract...
2010-07-15 05:16
i think that manne could join SK instead of GUX
2010-07-15 05:44
basicly, they wouldn't pay GuX till he would sign a contract... meaning they were pretty much trying to force him to sign lol. GuX being smart and knowing a contract could keep him away from being a free agent(a year at least) if he ever wanted to swap teams or didn't feel SK was working out right he would have no choice but to stick to them. imo GuX is just smart and SK handles their players very poorly. but hey, enough pointing fingers. I wanna see how SK bounces back or if they bounce back at all lol
2010-07-15 06:29
Well, I think everyone should be happy now. Fnatic wanted Gux, they got him. Gux wanted Fnatic and he was playing without salary at SK, well he got Fnatic and will be paid as well. SK had Gux playing for them for free for last couple of months. He was their best player and he wasn't getting paid. So SK made a profit from him and according to them Gux didn't trust them so if he's going out SK should be happy to get rid of a guy who doesn't trust them. It looks to me like it turned out well for everyone.
2010-07-15 06:38
2010-07-15 06:40
2010-07-15 06:48
fnatic will lose dis tourney..
2010-07-15 06:52
Well,since theres no contract,if SK refuse to pay those money,that is ok,LEGALLY. but,MORALLY,the sk are behaving like b*tches. their plan is that:hey,Rasmus,you dont contract to us,good,we gonna use you as a worker FOR FREE.you worked ,and when you asked 4 salaries and prize,NO,coz i would ask you 4 contract which you can NOT offer.
2010-07-15 06:52
fnatic just gaved gux an advice to protect himself, and sk came to bite them: fnatic instigated Rasmus not to work for us another tournerment. and they didnot mentioned the fact Rasmus was working for free. well,well,no more words about this sh*t. sk big fail this time.
2010-07-15 07:04
Nice. I believe that this statemant is right :) ALLEZ SK !
2010-07-15 07:06
Brazil ianziK
e noix
2010-07-15 07:09
gux stupied
2010-07-15 07:15
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learn to write first :D:D:D
2010-07-15 07:51
Rasmus "GuX" Stahl the second elemeNt story :)
2010-07-15 07:53
gux is smart, dont feel like typing a bunch of words
2010-07-15 07:53
Budak epic-fail-manager. They did the same to gux like to tentpole. They didnt pay both but want loyality and success. Gux didnt sign the contract so he can leave without any problems. whats the matter ? SK's management should have acted more professional and give him a deadline. If he doesnt sign he wont play. easy imo..
2010-07-15 08:00
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ye but they were pretty scared bitches,didnt want to lose gux and didnt act like profissionals gux "screwed" them well imo,if he doesnt have a contract why was he playing with the team for so long
2010-07-15 08:42
well moddii is the choice SK made for arbalet dallas... he is a madfragger like Gux. Gl SK
2010-07-15 08:04
Stupid guy Gux for stupid fnatic. Hope moddii will stay in SK, so SK can dominate again (again, not AGAiN!) :)
2010-07-15 08:08
"I WILL NOT GO INTO NAMES, but that a fnatic player consistently rushed Gux by calling him daily right after they placed bad in two tournaments in a row is also rotten. It wouldn't be a problem if Gux came after Arbalet and told me he wanted to leave, but to do this just one day before the tournament is just wrong." dsn
2010-07-15 08:26
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GTR got his cellphone number too.
2010-07-15 14:41
he did not trust his teammates skills... robban must be still on contract, otherwise he would have been cut long time ago...
2010-07-15 08:27
Good , good for fnatic! Fnatic on top again! Gux may not be the best player, but he can get very important kills when the team depends on him.
2010-07-15 08:30
loool this shit tells everything, they wouldn't pay anyway... lulz
2010-07-15 09:01
what a schemes ;o
2010-07-15 09:03
Omg budak you lie, and what about tentpole? the same thing? nice try to post this, but I dont trust you, sk sucks :(
2010-07-15 09:03
I <3 when clueless people mention lineup changes for SK with players from H2k which are in great shape so far. The only free agents are the disbanded MYM players. (though im not sure if they're still together searching for an org) anyway talking about lineup changes in this thread is worse than trolling.
2010-07-15 09:12
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2010-07-15 09:22
2010-07-15 09:24
I lol'd @ news/comments you really think what we could read here are just the facts? dont be that naive :)
2010-07-15 09:33
f0rest called gux everyday just after the eswc :D
2010-07-15 09:34
old fnatic is back :d
2010-07-15 09:38
yep old fnatic is back, and SK you can change your rooster 1000x times, and that why you play bad.
2010-07-15 09:41
loser organation,SK had a lot of history about not paying their players,not only in CS,in war3,Who(korean player played for sk for more than 1 year,didnt get payed and got kicked out by SK,recent SK suks so bad,they cut down their other team so they will pay min for their CS team,also they use that contract thing to blame people when they wont pay anything(if im gux I wont sign because no way they will pay me even i sign it,and i will be tied forever with that shit clan.) Who had a contract but still got kicked by SK when SK have 1 year salary debt on him.Loser deserve that 4 men situation. Besides Gux does not have a contract,he can do whatever is best for him.Sk is the one talking about contract 1st,now they get that back.
2010-07-15 09:49
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Thailand hahahoha
damn that sucks
2010-07-15 10:06
a 4man situation is not too bad, even tho events are close, but who will join them consciously being that they might get the same treatment as Gux
2010-07-15 11:26
Yeah guys, it is a very strange situation. I htink Loch Ness monster exists 0_0
2010-07-15 10:07
"To even offer him a place in the lineup the day before we leave for Dallas must mean they are scared of us." As early as on ESWC, dsn asked Gux if he was interested in rejoining his old teammates. This was not an impulse action from Gux's side.
2010-07-15 10:20
It is wrong that Gux did not signed the contract but also wrong that SK used the player for 5 months without contract. I guees it was convenient, the fact that gux was playing well and they don't have to pay him ... it was ok for them. They even have the nerv to ask Gux to play one last event and then go to fnatic! So as far as I understand the main responsability comes from SK, as they allow this to happen and this is really unprofessional!
2010-07-15 10:21
santa barbara
2010-07-15 10:30
Gux did not sign the contract because he don't trust SK. If you don't trust SK why join it GUX! Can anyone help him answer? thanks
2010-07-15 10:37
do this just one day before the tournament is just wrong True, taking kHRYSTAL & face from H2k few days before WCG was just wrong.
2010-07-15 10:48
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So true, considering that the old h2k would have owned SK
2010-07-15 18:17
now now...this is interesting. :> gux' story contradicts itself in my opinion...i mean, if he "doesn't trust" the SK organisation, then why the hell didn't he sign his contract, which secures him legally? but then again, the SK management didn't do any better. they probably knew exactly that they couldn't pay gux legally while he wasn't under a contract, so they did the next best thing and let him play for free. the ironic thing is that each party claims something that they simply have no right of claiming. on sk-gaming's side that means, they want him to play for them, but refuse to pay him, while gux wants to be paid while refusing to sign his contract. so my guess is that he wanted to keep his options open, instead of being tied to SK for at least 12 months. the real losers of this "battle" are his teammates which do not start into arbalet cup as prepared as they should be. hopefully this motivates them to no end for the upcoming events! :>
2010-07-15 10:50
hltv.org hire some pro detectives and investigate this serious situation !
2010-07-15 10:57
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if only colombo was here to investigate :D
2010-07-15 11:25
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Sherlock Holmes is better for this job!
2010-07-15 12:13
Are you really thinking that gux was playing 5 months just for fun !?
2010-07-15 10:59
It's funny how people flame him, when in "fnatic explain GuX situation" were with him, saying that he did the right thing. It's his life, if he didn't want to sign the contract or to play with SK - it's his choice, not yours people so stop flaming him.
2010-07-15 11:30
It's very simple: Gux went to spy for Fnatic x)
2010-07-15 11:36
i hope Gux is gonna fit in fnatic and try to build the team spirit again,, because fnatic has to be on the top!! f0rest en g_r supose to be @ the top so fnatic has to step up!! GL SK and fnatic
2010-07-15 11:49
lol that sounded like bullshit
2010-07-15 11:58
and we are back to the bullshit. SK could have made this easy to themself. Gux knew Tentpole and tentpole prolly warn gux about the organisation, so gux played it safe. Gux had no problems with SK he actually said he liked SK more. So with that said, if he would have got his money that is rightfully his (considering how he performed in SK it would be a lie from SK's team to say gux didnt play a huge part in there sucess. But NO! what they do instead is arguing about money, making gux leave the community and NOT the team. I say this beacause it was the same with tentpole. PLEASE demand new people in SK community, they are not up for the job! ty all.
2010-07-15 12:09
The really unprofessional thing about this is that budak revealed the main reason Gux left fnatic afterall, that should have stayed within SK, fnatic and Gux, it's not for a reason that both fnatic and Gux at their departure stated that he had to study. Why do that budak, I smell a little revenge, or is it that he thinks that by revealing this, Gux will not go back to fnatic?
2010-07-15 12:17
2010-07-15 12:57
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Still a Office fan :D
2010-07-16 11:38
they should settle this playing cs gux vs budak 1on1 and they should put owed money on the line !
2010-07-15 13:00
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2 easy 4 gux:D
2010-07-15 13:18
out with budak and put in SpawN as coach for SK!
2010-07-15 13:40
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2010-07-15 14:27
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i think H2k is well aware of SK stealing players and staff. I highly doubt spawn would go back to THIS SK.
2010-07-15 14:52
you cant trust any of the statements really...because fnatic wants to look good, sk wants to look good and gux wants to look good.... i guess i can understand gux not wanting to sign the contract, but i also understand sk not wanting to pay a player that isnt under contract and can just leave the team when he wants to.
2010-07-15 14:33
personally, I stopped liking SK since 2006, the only player there that I kinda like is walle, and he is starting to get old so..fnatic is my fav. team by far now. thats just my opinion so dont insult right away :|
2010-07-15 14:36
img709.imageshack.us/f/awwzo.jpg/ moddii is not stand-in ? :D
2010-07-15 14:45
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2010-07-15 15:32
someone lies gux sux
2010-07-15 14:49
And Santa Barbara continues...
2010-07-15 15:14
It’s Budak who says that GuX didn’t trust SK so far no one has heard GuX say it
2010-07-15 15:58
fnatic's actions disapointed me
2010-07-15 17:01
bds... :(
2010-07-15 17:28
Would love to know what kind of a contract SK offered him
2010-07-15 18:15
Such actions are normal in the e-sports but does not change the fact that it acted not fair from fnatic.
2010-07-15 20:17
sk fnatic fiasco!
2010-07-15 21:12
such naiv & childish behavior from GuX. Backstabbing SK players for 3000euros for not flying to Dallas. Like in Real life, everyone has his price
2010-07-15 21:38
such unprofessional behavior from GuX and fnatic is only hurting esports... Sam matthews is a disgrace for putting out a completely false statement... Too bad there isn't an effective governing body in esports like FIFA or UEFA, SK's only fault is they trusted GUX to sign the contract when we see he had no intention of doing that because he is a childish little nerd that wanted to keep his options open or whatever.. BAD FROM GUX BAD FROM FNATIC BAD FOR ESPORTS... Still like GuX best as a player but thats not the way you act if you're a professional player... Bad example for everyone and I think even elemeNt didn't backstab anyone that hard
2010-07-15 22:57
btw Gux the FIREMAN hahahahha epic
2010-07-15 22:58
gux is a god damn faggot... he is a child and doesnt even deserve to called a "man" 1st if he like so much fnatic,and back @ 2009 when they rocked,why did he left? he got to sk,"loved" hes m8s,then backstabing everyone,not signing a contract , a contract tha would ensure HIS MONEY,instead he plots with fnatic with sk's back,letting them with 4 man roster last time,and taking 3.000 trust me he is gonna regret it,1st he loses to much money,if we take account and sum it up...2ndary and MOST IMPORTANT,is that when u do dirty business,no one trust u,and that goes also for fnatic.... whats up fnatic faggots?started to loss and did whatever needed to get gux back?i BET that they will not play as good as back at 2009.... u all say that sk gaming ar thieves not playing their players,well,let me say it to you another words....WALLE,walle is on the cs scene since...FOREVER,robban to,if thoose 2 became free agents,i dont believe that it would take them longer than 1 week to find anothar orga//team...why they stay?WHY ARE THEY DEVOTED? is it random that sk gaming has decent teams to ALL the GAMES?(@ eswc how many "sk-gaming" went to final?) let me tell u whats happening...fnatic were always loosing from teams like mtw,pgs(ex-mym neo and co) etc. then they god this SUPER DUPER LINEUP with gux,then they lost it,and since then they cried so loud that thwy would do everything possible to take gux again... so gux childress and immaturity//inresponsibility//stupidity +fnatic luck that gux hasnt got a signed contract + sk gaming being fools for trusting that faggot = gux on fnatic...SO WHAT? sk prolly gonna take moddi,delpan,or zet or whatever,at least they might dont get #1 at tours,but are always on top of them,not getting out by group stages etc. hope to lose at gamegune and every lan event u attend ...thx
2010-07-16 01:02
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you need to see a doctor. No explaination.GO.
2010-07-16 04:09
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no he doesn't, hes just an obcessed fan boy who can't see facts... I'm not a fnatic fan boy so I'm not defending them (I'm more a EG guy). And sorry if i miss something in there because of my english.
2010-07-17 17:38
I'm fully behind GuX, what an amazing player and the very best of luck in fnatic. Don't let this shit get to your head man, just play CS like you always have been and you'll cover that prizemoney in no time! :) Good luck! <3
2010-07-16 02:56
2010-07-16 09:05
fnatic shud not forget this that in 2009 NA'Vi was nowhere near them, but now NAVI is close competitor of fnatic . I prefer DelpaN instead of Gux .
2010-07-16 10:05
I seriously see no point in this. Gux dug his own grave here
2010-07-16 17:08
Budak please leave esport so sk
2010-07-17 00:43
I don't want to point fingers or stay in anyone's side but SK has been having problems with players for a while... First Tentpole, then Zet (the "flight" issue) and now Gux. And when GeT_RiGhT was on SK, he wanted to leave because he couldn't get along with the team. Something wrong is happening there. Someone is lying.. PS.And I'm really sorry for my english.
2010-07-17 17:29
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