moxxi & zaider banned in Denmark
Nicolai "moxxi" Tinggaard and Emil "zaider" Brandt have received bans from the Danish community site XplayN.com, two years and one year respectively.
On the first day of September, the Danish community site XplayN.com brought news, which accused the duo of cheating. The news was built around facebook conversations between Nicolai "moxxi" Tinggaard and Emil "zaider" Brandt, which allegedly took place before the match against SK Gaming in our Xperia PLAY prelude.
The conversations shows the duo chatting about using shady methods (cheating) in the match against SK Gaming, as well as the possibility to use it in practice games. The conversations were in Danish, for those wishing to read them, then a complete package of the screenshots can be downloaded by clicking here.
XplayN.com, which is not just the Danish community site, but also organizer of various e-sport activities in Denmark, today went on to issue bans to both players.
Tinggaard was given a two year ban from all XplayN.com activities, based on his ban at PlayZeek.com (moxxi's profile), which is an international network for gathers, FFA and more, but also the conversations with Brandt, which to XplayN.com is very revealing on the matter of using cheat. Tinggaard has however claimed that it was not him playing on the account when it got banned. Tinggaard's ban will expire on September 5, 2013.
Brandt received a one year ban from all XplayN.com activities, only based on the conversations with Tinggaard. Brandt will see his ban expire on September 5, 2012.
HLTV.org has been in contact with Brandt, who admitted that duo had the conversations about cheating against SK Gaming, but by the same token disagree with XplayN.com, that his ban was issued based on screenshots from a facebook conversation.
"The entire case reflects on Nicolai and I having facebook conversations, which took place about six months ago, in which we joked on the matter of cheating against SK Gaming and how it should be used.
Today I received a one year ban from all tournaments held by XplayN.com, which is based on the conversations and on the conversations only. I can't understand how a ban can be issued on speculations whether I have cheated or not.
I have several times offered people my in-eye demos from the match against SK, in order to kill the rumors of me using any type of cheat. People, including XplayN, have furthermore had the option to confirm/deny the facebook conversation by downloading the HLTV demo and study my play, to determine if there is anything shady.
Instead XplayN decided to ban me on the conversations that took place between Nicolai and I. I have cheated before, but it is so far back I can't even remember when it was. It's history – innocent until proven opposite." - Emil "zaider" Brandt told HLTV.org.
Event organizers in Denmark have previous had a zero-tolerance policy, meaning if a player was banned by one event organizer, then others would follow. The policy is however seemingly not currently active, meaning it is by now unknown if the duo will receive bans from other Danish event organizers, or for the matter non-Danish organizers.
wow
"I have cheated before, but it is so far back I can't even remember when it was. It's history"
I can remember for you, zaider
hltv.org/news/3865-dakarma-took-mtw-by-s..
ahahaha nice one!
the cheaters aint pros, they are trying desperately with cheats to get up there.
lmfao
you shouldnt believe everything he says, Now his trying to get people behind him and get unbanned.
"I have several times offered people my in-eye demos from the match against SK, in order to kill the rumors of me using any type of cheat."
Yea its easy to say now when your banned to trick people that your innocent
Cry how much you want stupid cheaters....
LIAR.
If people didn't believe everything they said. They wouldn't be banned right now. XD
+dece
delpan
- delpan + kuben
what? who? where?
I loled. I played against him many times in mix at ~3am, when you make some wallbangs and good headshots at him, he activates wallhack. I'm not telling he's a piece of shit at LAN, but when he's playing on internet he's still cheating sometimes.
+nosferatu
but how can they publish it? its not public information,,, its personal.
ohh and btw,,, its dumb to give a ban, without having some proof, not some jocking around, and the +1 year ban ? for beeing banned from playzeek? oh my god, ill register there and write Chritopher GET_RIGHT Alesund for crying out loud , and use hacks,, will that mean that he will be banned from any activity in danish held events, like Xperia play etc?
zaider nice nickname :>
cuuuuuuuuuuul :D
pretty bad situation for them. maybe xplayN overreacted a little bit. come on it was facebook. if they really wanted to cheat then they would have discussed this on steam/irc/ventrilo in private not on facebook :D
beside that if the demo is clean i cant see the matter
no because i heard of other programs :D
pretty hard to ban them from basically everything in denmark.. especially for zaider
make your point
Kind of overreacting don't you think? I mean there's no hard evidence they actually cheated.
Also one thing, referring to 'last names' in a story like this is rather confusing. It's fine when you write something about SK for example, but with players like this I don't really have any clue who it is you're referring to, even though you stated it before.
they've already been accused of cheating vs top teams in the past, i dont see this as overreacting at all...their teammates took the screenshot of the convo and submitted it...obviously their teammates didnt want to be banned as well later on when zaider was caught, so they reported them to make sure they werent accused as well....its pretty obvious that you're a shady person if ur teammates are ratting u out to save their own face. good riddance
i never said u were caught, but u have been accused more than once(by top players)...and by saying u were never caught, that implies that u have cheated in the past but u were lucky to not have been caught doing it...and ur former clanmate probably knows some truth about u and ur past, and he feels like letting us all know now that he isnt playing with you anymore...get banned fgt.
also ur a liar LOL u replied to someone elses comment under me with this "I was caught cheating on Custodia in September 2008, go do some research yourself." So you DID get caught cheating before...LOL u cant trust a liar...
troll
07:44:51 : I was never caught
13:37:46 : I never said I wasn't caught.
Hum.
ahahahahahaa
I don't remember the conversation to the fullest - the logs is too old, so I can't go into my Facebook and re-read them.
But yes, I would find it suspicious and I agree with people that find the log suspicious. But if raf0w and crZy had this conversation, I wouldn't vouch for a one year ban just for having the conversation.
You need to take in consideration that this is not the full log and can easily be taken out of context from something else.
=(
you should fuck this team mate now =)
haha :D
Bullshit decision, way too uncalled for bans
playzeek have screen dumps of moxxi using wallhack.
:)
he got caught too once as far as i remember, by vac2 actually :) turkish was the know as a powercheater back i the days, an he did to some point. I faught a fight to get alot of people banned in denmark when i cared for cs, but now its all good :) cheaters cant get me up the chair; they are just insecure kids trying to earn attention, though being the scenes demise :)
God, I hate that sentence. That is to believe that people cannot modify themselves, that everyone should be condemned to death penalty because they won't be able to correct themselves and that you can't fight against the nature of things. Some close-minded retard was too proud to know the word forgiveness and stated that "once"-"always" bs.
I honestly think they should get more conclusive evidences.
trace must be cheating, he is impossible! ;]
haahhaha
I don't think KARRIGAN, roman and cLy would randomly agree to play a match with two "cheaters" in their team.
words
Here is the match: hltv.org/?pageid=28&&eventid=735&demoid=..
HAHAHAHA
Good article!
because now they will get bad rep and hopefully nobody is goin to play with them after this.
well deserved!
u jelly?
of what exactly?
please tell me?
Because they were playing with Karrigan, cLy and roman?
Nothing against you, mate, but the way you wrote, it seems like you're really jelly of them.
owned hahah
ban permanent...!!
2 noobs -,-
epic
They were talking about puppies.
What about Google+?
Banning with just 'proof' of a FB conversation (or any conversation for that matter) is just plainly wrong. Sure; if somebody got banned for cheating and it can be made plausible that he was playing (screenshots, IP logs...) I would agree to 'transfer' the ban, but the second ban is just..... bla
unfair.
Delpan
aSpx
Diodel
Vedimak
manne
>
world
someone translate the conversation please
(like this)
photo 1 in english :
sadsadasd
photo 2 in english
asdadsadasd
One of the screenshots:
Zaider:
Yes, but we’ll have to fail a little. :-) For example sell b, if they call incoming A, even though we know its fake. :-D
Moxxi:
Yes, but we cant always be ready when they’re coming B etc.
Zaider:
Yeah
Zaider:
Do we use it in pracc?
Moxxi:
No? I dont want to. I’ll get too used to it.
if you have never cheated or had discussions about cheating it's pretty hard to think that these guys are not cheaters
If you cheat sometimes you understand them more; some people talk about cheats casually and they are always the kind who i know cheat sometimes... even if they didn't cheat vs SK they clearly are the cheating kind
You, sir, are right.
u may be right
Haha I knew it, said Im 100% sure they used something :) faceplam btw the facebook chat
Haha, you used to be wallhack master. And we never know what you do at home now. Maybe you still playing with wallhack?!
+1
Every LAN tournament this year delpan have pretty much owned it up.
Every team wants him.
kinda speaks for itself
SK|delpan.
loooooooooooooool, you was cheater. so stfu
I am sure you dont say that to the cheaters on mIRC:
WTF? xD
What does that mean? xD
Kid comment..
Hahaha!
tactical facepalm you mean
sick cheater
they can, but they banned after GAME by SCREENSHOTS
LOL!
I had a double take after reading the article. But after that? I've come to the realization; it doesn't really surprise me they were banned over having conversations about cheats and there application.
auahauhaa Underdogs victory was fail then???
so, if I'm talking with a friend about... killing Obama (an absurd example) - the CIA/FBI/KGB/aliens will kill us?
Don't agree to base this off conversations, but I do agree on the ban on moxxi based on the playzeek bans. That is ACTUAL proof.
TEAM CHEATERS:
Delpan - awp cheater
Diodel - ak/colt cheater
vedimak - ak/colt cheater
aspx - ak/colt cheater
Dece - noob cheater
Virtus.pro > sally - cheater, manager of cheaters
zonic and trace? WTF?
Welcome to Delpan's cheat-club!
zaider got fucked imo, the organization should of at least watched their pov's before banning them
kinda bullshit
They're not cheaters......................
XPlayn.com - noobs, you can't ban players only because their "joke-chat"...
FACTS AND PROOFS IN STUDIO!!!!!
SO THEY'RE NOT CHEATERS
Well... Chat-facebook isnt proof to ban.
moxxi was busted on playzeek.com
This doesn't prove anything...
chats or conversations in jovial mood can't be the valid proof to ban them..
zaider is right by asking to scan his in-eye demos for his shady play...
u cant blame anyone with supposedly this chats..
and how come this chats reach them... some 1 is playing a spoilsport fr him..
you really think that an ineye demo will show if his clean or not? cheats are very legit nowadays, he might even be using a silent aimbot that no one detects and also esp/wh. if someone is cheating on a client, especially on a "pro/semi pro" level, then it WONT be detected by a POV demo.
it was so obvious, they nearly beat sk @ net and then dropped out of the group @ lan
First of all read the news. Before say: cheaters.
lol cheater, so?
They also abused their admin right's on ventrilo to have a phantom in the opponents room during topgathers. People in Denmark call this vthack, even though it isn't a "real" hack. However it pretty much shows their attitude towards things. Zaider admitted to have used cheat at playzeek + he's busted at custodia anticheat some time ago aswell. In 2011 he's busted abusing "vthack" with moxxi, and now this conversation. Wonder about the times, these guys haven't been busted. :)
Berry was busted more than a year before you, and it surely wasn't 3 years ago you were busted at custodia. Also you've been busted abusing you ventrilo admin rights + talked about using cheats in an official match. Both of these things happened in 2011, and the fact that your playstyle is being accused for cheats for being so freaking wierd, just makes it even more suspicious. There you have the difference :).
i can make a conclusion that all danes cheat :D
stfu please...
man, you are getting owned at every reply that snappi do on you =(
The ban isn't harsh at all. You've been banned for cheating in the past and obviously you didn't learn anything from it.
Also, we consulted a lawyer about whether your conversation on Facebook could be considered evidence, and as it turned out, it could.
In fact, there's a real-life case involving 2 people talking about cheating at their exams (on Facebook), and guess what, they learned a lesson, too.
So there you have it. It took 4 days to make a decision. 4 days of debating and confirming a lot of things. Some agrees, some don't. That's their right and I respect that. You should respect our decision, take responsibility and learn something from it. Maybe then it wont happen again.
Wow, that's real mature of you.
I was trying to make the point that we did have evidence that you were planning to cheat. And that's most likely what got you banned - that and your past not-too-mature actions I'd say.
The real issue is, that your conversation without doubt reveals that you will not give cheating a second thought if you feel safe about it. That is the core reason for your ban. It is a known fact that cheat programs succeed anticheat programs as it is easier to crack than prevent and as ppl like yourself are willing to finance the production. My hope for you is that you realize that there is no grey areas when it comes to cheating and alter your decision to use it permanently.
The thing that did it for me, was that they did not talk about the possibilities of cheating, they talked about HOW to cheat and planned how they should play to make it less obvious. I think it's really stupid by them, because zaider is a pretty nice guy, but yea...
Even if they didn't cheat it's insanely stupid.
"I have cheated before, but it is so far back I can't even remember when it was."
omg
They probably cheated last night too. But hey, maybe they will grow up too. Right now they are 15-17 and they think they are invincible and can do whatever the f*ck they want. Hopefully they will grow up soon.
I know zaider & moxxi from a personal perspective. I've been playing with them since they were little kids, by that 11-12.
I know one thing, zaider always jokes about cheats and so does moxxi. But, one thing I do know is that they don't really cheat.
What these kids did was that they were lameing on facebook since they always talk like that to each other.
I don't get why XplayN did this harsh punshiment but I can assure you guys. zaider & moxxi haven't been cheating as zaider said, for the past 3-4 years.
Last time they both actually cheated was when zaider used to run a pracc-channel on QuakeNet. And they were cheating on the biggest cheaterportal in whole Counter-Strike, a.ka. PlayZeek. And that was about 3-4 years ago.
I don't see why you people are flameing them but one thing is for sure. If zaider & moxxi DID cheat, then they've to be the worst cheaters I've ever played with.
I know a few notable times I've been playing with them, when they've been lowfragging like dipshit. IF you guys are complaining about them both cheating, then you don't really know em because they're like average players.
I don't even see the reason and the logic behind zaider, this isn't the first time he gets banned for something stupid.
Now, the funny part is whole DK used to 'be a friend' of zaider. But now everyone is mad hatein' on him. There's one thing fosho, I won't hate neither zaider or moxxi for this like the rest are.
So guys, you just have to prove yourself at LAN and see how it goes because I know fasho that you don't cheat any longer.
i like
"I have cheated before, but it is so far back I can't even remember when it was."
But we should trust him, and you.
Aahokey.
i dont care who they played with? i have played with kHRYSTAL also FYRR73 @ pn so whats up with that comment? and i didnt say you were cheating, cuz i dont know if you are or not. i was agreeing with him due to you saying zaider&moxxi being clean while you cant know if they are or not. there is also more cheats now for EAC3 then ever before so that means its a bigger chance then ever that they are cheating now.
If you guys have lil sense in your head. I've been playing with those since they even began playing CS...
Why are you guys argueing about people you don't even know?
"KHRYSTAL FYRR73", you played with them maybe once or twice. I'm talking for years and years, I've known them both since they were 11-12 around that age so what's the argueing here?
They've been cheating and banned in the past for cheating but you've to understand, they don't cheat ANY LONGER.
I'm going to continue repeating myself til you guys have understood what I've written.
If your gonna hate on zaider or moxxi, then you can hate on "Friis", "Delpan" , "karrigan" and lots of other players that have a cheating history...
No hate on the presens, we don't live in the past. We live now.
are you serious?
if he cheated on playzeek, who the fuck gives a rat about it???
do u know how many cheaters there are at playzeek everyday? do u know how many topplayers (KVICKEN etc) that have been banned on playzeek?
You've no idea, so stop eating your own hand cause all ppl cheat on playzeek.
If it were official match, then I'd agree with you but playzeek??????? There's no logic there.
what am I reading...
Soooooo incredibly dumb...
Naa, if your gonna metafor about this subject then it'd be like: "In a war where moxxi kills the most."
Because on PlayZeek everyone but none other than everyone cheats. If he's cheating on somewhere everyone tests their hacks to max then I don't find it offensive if he'd get tired of playing clean there.
I see no point in argueing about this, cheat is cheat anyways. There's a difference in cheating in official games, then cheating on casual public games where everyone cheats.
I won't argue with you anymore because you can't argue in the same level as me. What I'm trying to say is that, the whereabout moxxi cheated on is regardless of your saying a righteous place to cheat on.
Hence that ALL people cheats on PlayZeek, and even Snajdan have cheated on Playzeek....
So get real.
Bla bla bla bla.
HAHA, you are a famous cheater in Sweden aswell. How can we trust you? Everyone in Sweden knows you use/have used cheats:)
cause we look down on losers, dont play this game if u wont even trust your own skill.They should just go kill bots.
I think we are not only saying they did cheat or not,but they had bad history that no 1 will believe them for a long time.That's why we say it once a cheater always a cheater.
I think XplayN's act is a little bit harsh,but i think they have their reasons.just think how many times they didnt get them when they cheated?i do think they deserve this.
and when some 1's attitude is like this,then they surely will cheat again(seems they just think cheating isn't that bad).That why no 1 will listen to them.
if they want to gain people's trust again,they have to play like a man in both lan and online(no matter what's score they do,at least theyr playing man's game),but i think they way they reacted seems no 1 will trust them,and seems they just dont care.
hf with your programes then.No one will want to play with you anymore.
ps:
to hacker:
you may win some games with hacking,but you are always a loser,you cant even play a game,what else can you do?lol
This is stupid..
show me the cheathunters who actualy can tell on 100% that guy was cheating...he is not stupid probably and on that level which he plays u cant tell hes cheating just coz he suddendly turned back and started covering back for example...and ye its normal to "joking" about using cheats against SK and then end like 2-1 for SK...oh wait it isnt + that shady history
its god damn sad that this rot is climbing up to higher level of players, really sad
Nothing new really. HAX.DK; Danish cs scene is full of cheaters and have been for ages, even many danish semi-pro teams. This is just tip of the iceberg that become exposed (here at hltv.org)
Nicolai "moxxi" Tinggaard and Emil "zaider" Brandt should be banned permanently from all european cs events and leagues.
just cuz they won big teams that makes em cheaters O_o wow ....
No. That's not it. Are you stupid?
:) u shouldn't really call ppl u don't know stupid :) and if thats not it then what is ? :) mr smart
they can but that doestn mean they are cheaters
maybe they joking ... xD
HAHAAHAHAHHAHAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA
props for the guy taking screenshots and who the f are these interneters?
I don't see the point in you posting this and I apologise for trolling but most people know who they are and the fact that you posted this, whoever you may be is stupid.
ok den
I don't even understand why people cheat.. it's fun to auto aim to someones head? it's fun to see a character behind a wall? you need to be really childish if you think so.
There are people that cheat for "fun" , but also there are people that cheat in order to gain fame and respect among their national communities so they can get a good team and shine as the star of the team.
I think that in most cases, people cheat for that, and not for fun.
Cheating for fun is an excuse for those who get caught for cheating, and they have nothing else to say but "it was a joke" or "it was for fun".
So that's the case with these two in my opinion, saying that this whole conversation was just an inside joke or whatever.
I'm pretty sure that they used cheats on practice matches and on some official matches.
Anyways, this ban by XplayN is justified.
It's a clear message for everyone to not use cheats and not even think about it.
Ages from both explain you all
+1 fucking tards destroy the pleasure of playing
They are popular now , more then ever :)
Go cry in the corner dumb cheater
So did Delpan in his age? Fuck delpan
True. Though it seems they've taken the VT thing and perhaps a few other things into consideration as well. The moral and attitude in general seems to be a big factor in the whole matter - so only based on the conversation is an understatement, at least to me ;)
I'm not judging you personally though, but hope the whole case could clear up without any kind of bans.
role hacker in dt +999999
always found that zaider suspicious.
yep, he cheats in praccs
i'm sure they don't cheating :) both are rly good players i wish them best of luck
well, base on google translate, that conversation was a bit suspicious, BUT, xplayN must have like screenshots or other evidences, because that doesn't proof at all that they were cheating, who says it isn't a joke like sometimes me and my team do? and we dont cheat, best of luck to them :(
wonder if isc9 will turn over the lions match now.
why should they?
LET'S DO THIS : ))))))
open.spotify.com/user/jawntz0r/playlist/..
ELEKTROPOP!!!!
OLEG :))
/q ?
So they cheated and they were banned, eod.
Being one of the people who caught aspx (we were a group of 3, the Noobusters) I believe I'm at a good point to voice my personal opinion on this matter.
You shouldnt ban a player without evidence. However, this "evidence" doesnt necessarly mean from this match. I believe anyone who has been caught cheating should forever be banned from online competitions. If it were that way, we wouldnt be having this ludicrous article here, as zaider and moxxi have both been caught cheating already at some point in time.
That is my personal opinion on cheaters and what I judge adequate punishment. I have really strong moral values, (never cheated at test, never helped anyone who asked for help to cheat), so I pretty much despise any kind of cheat.
I saw delpan comment here, like he's one to talk. And whoever was sucking his balls saying he was a kid: he still is, saying stuff like "we are the best, Im the best" on interviews.
It is a fact that a lot of professional players have cheated. To name a few, from my country Brazil: prd, bit, fnx, urb. And there is solid proof for these 4, I have it saved on a txt file somewhere on my harddrive on my old computer.
Anyways, to sum this up: good ban should they think like me, otherwise its somewhat unfair.
not bothered reading beyond "anyone who has been caughty cheating should forever be banned from online competitions." ridiculous... a game with slowly diminishing numbers being made to suffer more. people cheat... get over it. the few who are stupid enough to cheat in anything that matters get caught - diodel, kristen, wilzoo.. and they get their just punishments. plus people never fail to remind them of their pasts - for example delpan.
generally people learn from their mistakes and so surely deserve a second chance not a lifetime ban from a computer game... (dont forget thats all cs is, a computer game.)
no one likes cheaters, but some people on the internet get far to wound up over it. and retarded comments like #389 are embarassing.
bla bla bla etc etc etc
so if someone thinking of murdering few ppl he gets death penalty. this is stupid imo.
these bands dont make sens also.
charged with conspiracy or attempted murder, thats why they didnt get the full 2 year bans :)
guess then half of population should get charged.
go hire some cops den.
And how would his demos show if he used cheat or not?
Maybe he just had WH and told the team where to go and so on, and then play bad.
wmbz2k #195 HAHA, you are a famous cheater in Sweden aswell. How can we trust you? Everyone in Sweden knows you use/have used cheats:)
Edit: oh, sry for not replying, just scroll up for his comment.
In planes they do.
They fly, in planes. You fly when you visit another country by plane.
"You don't fly with a plane idiot. You fly with a plane.."
Then you fly idiot. If you fly WITH a plane, just like when you walk WITH a friend. Maybe the pig fly side by side with the plane, or what was your conclusion?
it's definitely not reasonable to ban them on behalf of a conversation. whether they cheat or not, this ban should be lifted.
this is not how justice works. you're innocent until proven wrong, and this is no proof.
They should check the demos out and then decide objectively. fair and square.
Well, their mentality is not that big, they are still not mature enough as you see.
But ive been at lan with zaider, and he is a really good player if you ask me.. i have never doubted about his skills online/lan. Anyway it is fair for me that moxxi get 2 years of ban, but zaiders 1 year is still a huge question for me.
And yes, i do agree with you its not even acceptable to talk about such stuff - and even think of doing it.
he didn't cheat against SK
And by the way, if you get busted by the playzeek anti-cheat you deserve this ban. Everyone cheats there without getting cought. You should even get a ban for only playing there, only noobs play there.
congratulations, you guys deserve No.1 cheater from
vedimak > zaider anyways
dudes.. are you that stupid...
1. talk about it when esl wire is ON hahaha..
2. i have to say that XplayN.com cant ban them for no prove.
-> U ban someone if HE IS cheating AT THE MOMENT, not before he has done it or talks about it.
He's is not cheating, he is just talking about it... so this is ridicolous tbfh...
3rd. he has ESL wire on + Custodia anticheat on screenshot 3.
If he tried nor cheated in that match u would notice it between now and 1 month just like that vedimak guy right?
because ESL wire uses 'ESL claim Grigorov was unveiled by new detecting methods that were added to the ESL Wire software recently'
A real-life friend of moxxi's took the screenshots. SFM posted them, AFAIK.
