DH Winter preview: Groups A, B

It's time to preview groups A and B of DreamHack Winter 2012's 300,000 SEK (~$45,000) tournament, which will be played tomorrow on Thursday November 22.

First day at DreamHack Winter 2012 will see the on-site BYOC qualifier be played out and the first two groups finish, which means half of the tournament's sixteen participants will be out by tomorrow evening.

Here is a preview of what to expect from the year's biggest CS:GO tournament in Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen's opinion, so continue reading to find out how the event's first day may play out tomorrow.

Group A

Sweden NiP (f0rest, Fifflaren, friberg, GeT_RiGhT, Xizt)

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Poland ESC Gaming (asdf)
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Denmark fnatic (asdf)
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United Kingdom mousesports UK (asdf)
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Sweden NiP (f0rest, Fifflaren, friberg, GeT_RiGhT, Xizt)

There really is only so much to say about NiP. Apart from some questionable online losses, they have proven time and time again that they are the best team currently in existence in the Counter-Strike: Global Offensive realm. Four of their players continuously put up big numbers allowing them to win rounds that look they should go to the opposing team, which makes it all the more harder for anyone to really challenge them.

Based on the tournaments so far in CS:GO I think they have four of the best five (and that is being generous towards a possible player in hiding I have missed) players in the game, and such individual skill goes a long way. However, Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson has been unimpressive in all of their tournaments in my opinion, and when going finally gets tough for NiP, and at some point in the coming months it will, he will have to chime in with some frags as well to avoid defeat.

NiP's only real problem is that they lack a top level AWPer. I know Johansson is their team's AWPer, but while I'm not sure if the AWPers in other teams at DreamHack Winter can make a big impact yet, while the best users of the big green across all CS versions get to a top level, NiP will have to fight snipers with rifles, and that could be a problem. However, I don't see anything stopping NiP in this group, and while they will likely lose a bit more rounds than they did e.g. against ESC online due to the Poles' nature of being an average team from home, they will still finish 3-0.

Predicted finish: 1st


Fifflaren will eventually have to step up if NiP wish to remain at their throne 

Poland ESC Gaming (kuben, Loord, neo, pasha, TaZ)

Despite people's low expectations of the Polish side at ESWC, I had a hunch they would do well at the event. Now you might argue going out in groups isn't a good performance, but considering they still managed to win two games and only went out against n!faculty due to losing both pistol rounds and the first gun round in each half, I think they are much better than they themselves let on, or might even believe themselves. Their recent online results of course offer no confidence, but it was never something the Poles needed in CS 1.6.

They have been bootcamping for five days in Poland in order to get ready for DreamHack Winter 2012, and although Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas questioned their form in our pre-event interview with the man, I think their performance will be better than it was at ESWC or has been online, and that should be enough to advance from group A, which despite some people including my colleague Luis Mira calling a group of death, actually looks fairly average to me. It's important to notice this isn't CS 1.6.

While I think ESC might put up a fight against NiP, I don't think they can reach that far just yet. The other two teams however are not only well within reach, but I'm not even sure if either one is a favorite over them. fnatic hasn't had much time to play CS:GO yet and it's impossible to guess their form because we haven't seen them play, but ESC definitely have more hours into CS:GO by now which should give them an edge. mousesports UK was hyped up upon CS:GO's takeover in tournaments, but so far the loudest noise they've made was when they bombed the UK ESWC qualifier.

Predicted finish: 2nd


Do you really think this guy isn't holding an ace up his sleeve? 

Denmark fnatic (Friis, karrigan, MODDII, Rytter, trace)

The best CS 1.6 team of 2012 has switched over to CS:GO, albeit with a once again different lineup. I have heard mixed reviews of the Danish fnatic squad's preparation for the event, but I think Dennis "Rytter" Rytter's addition must help the team out quite a bit. Had they been able to make the switch a month ago and gotten some solid practice together instead of being in Shanghai for K1 League I would predict them to finish second, but their lack of experience with the game worries me.

First of all I simply do not know how big Rytter's impact on the squad will be. People often cite how CS:GO requires more strategies and pre-planned flashes and smokes in order to win rounds as terrorists, which is basically a 180 turn from how fnatic has dominated the Counter-Strike 1.6 competition this year. They obviously have a different in-game leader, but at the same time we have to remember that only Martin "trace" Heldt has had real success in the past playing the strict, planned version of CS, while everyone else flourished through their individual skill.

If fnatic's AWPers can get hot, which basically means they need pistol round wins to build money, I think they can pose a threat even against NiP, as they simply can't fight back in that domain. However, in just about every other way they are outmatched right now. ESC Gaming could go either way, but I will give the Poles an edge due to having more experience with the game. Finally, mousesports UK is a bit of a question mark due to their roster changes and could potentially even upset ESC, but I don't see that happening, meaning fnatic will likely miss playoffs with a 1-1-2 record.

Predicted finish: 3rd

Can Friis dominate with his AWP at DreamHack Winter tomorrow? 

United Kingdom mousesports UK (Mx, prb, pt, Rattlesnk, stingeR)

Last and in my opinion least is the British mousesports squad. One of the big names to switch over months ago, they've basically lost all their momentum by missing ESWC after a qualifier loss against a fm.TOXiC team that just about everyone has now deemed weak and who lost against ESC in ESWC, and then changing two members to old Norwegian players such as former team9 member Preben "prb" Gammelsæter. In the process, I would argue, they have also lost their privileges of being the number one team at mousesports. Should they wish to stay with the German organization, I think some wins at DreamHack are a must.

Much like fnatic we haven't actually seen mouz play much online, apart from a very weak 4-16 loss versus Redzone. It's hard to guesstimate how a team you haven't seen play will do, and had they stuck to their original lineup I would have predicted them to beat out the recently converted fnatic squad, but I don't have much faith in the mixture of a Norwegian-British lineup. It feels more like the British members invited some Norwegian friends over because they're fun to play gathers with online, knowing this is their only shot at staying in mousesports -- this is of course all, 100% speculation.

As mentioned before I expect mousesports to finish dead last in group A, although there is a chance they have secretly put in tons of work and will surprise not only me but the other teams in group A. However, I think the only rational call at this point is to assume they can't beat NiP, won't defeat ESC on LAN, and will face a motivated fnatic team, who with the help of Rytter are likely to be slightly better than one might expect, to determine who places dead last and who gets to escape with some of their dignity in tact.

Predicted finish: 4th

prb's last competitive showings have been years ago, can he bring it in CS:GO? 

Group B

Denmark Copenhagen Wolves (gla1ve, Herden, Hunden, Nico, smF)

Copenhagen Wolves were a fairly successful CS: Source team in their days, even besting out the Finnish ROCCAT squad some months ago at Assembly Summer for the title. They have also shown good form online as well as defeated Anexis at a Danish LAN prior to ESWC, which I have to figure they only missed because they didn't sign up for the Nordic qualifier for reason or another. They also bested Anexis in the Danish qualifier for a spot at DreamHack Winter, and qualified for Thor Open.

The Danes were this group's top seed and it will show in their results. While ProGaming.TD -SBG is likely just as, if not more, prepared, I don't think they will defeat the Wolves who have beaten teams such as mousesports.de lately. On the other hand, they did tie ESC online and have yet to attend big tournaments in CS:GO, so there is definitely room for variance and a possibility to see them at least upset despite being favorites to take home the top seed.

I think Copenhagen Wolves will have little trouble with Curse and a competitive game with gosu, but will nonetheless come out of both with a win. The game against ProGaming.TD will be a better indication of where the best Danish team stands, but I believe they will be able to top group A.

Predicted finish: 1st

United States Curse (anger, frozt, juv3nile, Michael3D, Skadoodle)

Hold mouse 1, as they were called prior to joining up with Curse, were a team that had played various games such as Crossfire together in the past. After making the switch to CS:GO they had a relatively promising showing at ESWC North America just weeks after the big switch. Rumours have it some of their members have over 1,000 hours played in CS:GO, which is probably some of the most in the entire world.

That's where the good stuff ends though. Zach "tm-" Miller decided to quit playing before DreamHack which led to former Dynamic member Todd "anger" Williams joining, while Jeff "emong" Anderson broke his wrist some weeks ago, even forcing the team to skip the ESEA Season 12 finals in Dallas, TX, and recruit Carey "frozt" Kertenian as a temporary stand-in for DreamHack. Facing issues like this can not help a team that wasn't a favorite to advance to begin with.

I don't think they stand a chance against Copenhagen Wolves, and ProGaming.TD -SBG should also be far too prepared to fall against the Americans. Their only chance therefore lies against the Swedes of gosu, but unless Latham is the kind of player some of the Americans have hyped him out to be, they will have to use DreamHack as a learning experience, and not much else.

Predicted finish: 4th

Hold mouse 1 at ESWC North America (Photo: ESEANews.net) 

Sweden gosu (cayzer, hoddi, snokz, tinka, waver)

The young Swedish squad has been very active in various online competitions, with their biggest wins so far coming over Absolute Legends, previously known as Team X during their Thor Open clash. gosu are headed to Thor Oepn two short weeks after DreamHack Winter 2012 which should take off some of the pressure over their performance, as they can theoretically allow themselves a learning experience in Jönköping; no one is expecting them to compete for the title.

I'm not overly familiar with the squad but knowing the CS: Source scene in Sweden was never particularly strong, I have to wonder if these guys have enough experience to do well at what I can only imagine to be their first major event. They are a solid up-and-coming team and will probably only get stronger in the future, but right now it seems that they've been thrown in to the deep end of the pool without actually ever trying to swim before.

I think Copenhagen Wolves is on a different level than their competition in this group, and even ProGaming.TD will probably be able to take down gosu due to their massive bootcamp and the advantage in experience. However, Curse has had to deal with some roster issues and with their main fragger Tyler "Skadoodle" Latham's skills on LAN being questioned by the North American elite, I think the young Swedes will walk away from DreamHack with a win, and possibly a close game to go with it, and be ok with their effort.

Predicted finish: 3rd

Brazil ProGaming.TD - SBG (cogu, rkz, Steel, zakk, zqk)

While it is unclear just how much ProGaming.TD's performance suffered at ESWC 2012 due to the problems team captain Raphael "cogu" Camargo suffered with his setup and gear, their close loss against NiP was at least promising and suggests, given the fact the Brazilians have had almost three more weeks of practice, that they are at DreamHack Winter 2012 to play and compete for one of the top finishes. That is what thousands of Brazilian fans are hoping for, in any case.

This is yet another team that has kept their cards close to the chest as the only teams who know how they like to play or what kind of form they will travel to Jönköping in are themselves as the teams they have chosen to practice against in the recent weeks. They showed signs of promise in Paris, and although Camargo's issues might not have carried over to the following games, the damage was clearly already done mentally, which means the problems may as well have persisted; it likely wouldn't have helped their results.

I don't think Curse will be able to do much due to all the setbacks their team has suffered leading up to this event, so ProGaming.TD should get a win against them. Copenhagen Wolves seem like a very good team based on their online play and should be considered favorites in their head-to-head match up, which means the group will come down to the last match against gosu. While the Swedes defeated Absolute Legends online, I'm not sure if that's a case of gosu being strong or aL being weak, and will therefore give Target Down the edge.

Predicted finish: 2nd

cogu receiving help from teammates

cogu & co will hope to revive Brazilian CS in Jönköping 

Who do you think will make it through the first day? Will there be upsets? Can someone deal NiP their first defeat on LAN? Let us know in the comment section below!

Poland tfg 
lool, cool news, didnt read yet, but nice teams desc. great work
2012-11-21 15:13
nice preview should be some good games!
2012-11-21 15:13
boring Nip again gonna win pfff ...
2012-11-21 15:14
Lithuania djazz 
I would say that Group B team's have a chance to go to the finals :D While all hard fighting will be at Group A :D
2012-11-21 15:16
great preview
2012-11-21 15:17
Brazil gu1d0 
good predictions.. but i hope TD tops group B.
2012-11-21 15:18
lets see what ProGaming.TD can do in DHW
2012-11-21 15:19
BO1, ESC no chances ;/ 1.NiP 2.mouz 3.fnatic 4. ESC
2012-11-21 15:20
mouz 2nd? lmao, I bet they get 0-3'd
2012-11-21 16:38
haha what can you say now?
2012-11-22 15:56
2012-11-21 17:29
With the new lineup i dont see how mouz has any chances against ESC, dont know how good fnatic is in CS:GO but definently 3/4.
2012-11-21 19:28
nice trolling fnatic's first event in cs;go and it's not posibble they better than esc... stfu
2012-11-21 20:00
1. NiP 2. fnatic 3. Progaming.TD 4. mouz 5. Esc (no chance for top 3 )
2012-11-21 22:32
your comment is wrong in many points.
2012-11-21 23:18
rooting for fnatic !
2012-11-21 15:20
-Fifflaren +Delpan =D
2012-11-21 15:21
no motivation to learn a new game ;)
2012-11-21 15:24
i wonder if those rumours about him joining mTw were true
2012-11-21 15:29
Delpan played with 4kings some and he wanted salery but he wasnt good enough for a team that could give him that.
2012-11-21 16:40
wish he would put in the time, if he did he could easily be good enough to get salaried. in my opinion atleast!
2012-11-21 17:25
i think so too but i doubt that either him gux or face would like to do that again.
2012-11-21 17:30
sadly that is the truth ;-(
2012-11-21 18:08
2012-11-21 16:02
VG will quit playing after 10 defeats in row, -Fifflaren +KennyS I foresaw this!
2012-11-21 19:30
I should get rpK. Never really watcdes css. But he's a pretty good player. Better then anyone else in VG.
2012-11-21 20:33
Remember when SK replaced Delpan with trace? They got worse after that change.
2012-11-21 23:19
-fifflaren + delpan ? gtfo dammit , NiP team is perfect now
2012-11-21 23:21
Agree with everything though i would like fnatic to be 2nd at least...
2012-11-21 15:25
2nd at least :D ahah at least :? AT LEAST :O it will be good 4th at least :D
2012-11-21 17:02
i said i would like for them to make it, i know its hard because they havent trained idiot
2012-11-21 17:04
hardcore fanboy
2012-11-21 17:56
true, i hate people joke on fnatic like this :P
2012-11-21 18:04
2012-11-21 15:26
Poland tokz 
Rotfl.. not. 1 NiP 2 Anexis 3 VG Trololol :)
2012-11-21 15:40
hes talking about the group but still its not gonna be like that. 1. Nip 2. ESC 3. Fnatic 4. Mousesports
2012-11-21 16:41
i want your drugs man :_D, polish crack?
2012-11-21 15:55
+1 hahaha
2012-11-21 17:03
2012-11-21 23:21
Thorin | 
Ukraine Maximka 
no VeryGames?
2012-11-21 15:27
Groups A, B
2012-11-21 15:29
Group A and B VG is in C Group
2012-11-21 15:47
good luck to all teams!
2012-11-21 15:29
1|NIP 2|ProGaming.TD 3|ESC Gaming :)
2012-11-21 15:32
Group A: NiP, ESC, Mouz, Fnatic Group B: Copenhagen W, ProGaming.TD, Curse, goSu.
2012-11-21 15:34
Switch pro gaming and wolves and my predictions are the same, i think those two teams could go either way very easily though.
2012-11-21 15:36
1.fnatic 2.NIP 3.ESC 4.mouz
2012-11-21 15:37
so you think 7 days on cs:go is enough for Fnatic? i doubt they beat mouz
2012-11-21 16:43
he's a fanboi. dont bother.
2012-11-21 17:31
NiP & ESC ProGaming TD & gosu
2012-11-21 15:38
OWOW man gud Choice bro!!!
2012-11-21 16:01
Hoping to see fnatic surprise everyone :)
2012-11-21 15:40
I would like to say "mouz to surprise you all" but they haven't played much really :/ however i don't see them losing to fnatic
2012-11-21 15:40
Lurppis, this whole thing about Fifflaren is such nonsense really. Looking at the stats from ESWC, he had 2 poor games in the groups on de_nuke, in which he plays very passive on.. Looks more like a support role to me, in the playoff matches he was brilliant, he finished top 7 of the players in the playoffs, I am not sure if the other NiP guys was placed 1-4 but It's really not like he was a drag during the games that actually mattered? he also had the most clutches won for team NiP, and don't forget, he has NEVER been a main AWPer before either in any of his teams.. I really doubt that they brought him in as a madfragger, they have 4 brilliant aimers in the team and looking at the stats so far, it's not like he's going - K/D in events, they are all on positive, some more than others. I know that it's your own opinion, and I am sure time will tell if he will stick around or not, but I really do not think that NiP would be this good if it wasn't for the source players to begin with, ESC is a great example of this, having one of the best 1.6 players of all time in their team, and been together for so long, only managing to score 2 rounds vs NiP, which btw Fifflaren was top rated on. As regards to the whole write up itself, it was great I enjoyed it. I hope you keep this up through out DHW because there will be a lot of good matches and you are great at what you do here for HLTV.org so I give you big props for that, I am sure a lot of people here appreciate the news and insight you provide!
2012-11-21 15:49
+1 very well said
2012-11-21 16:03
agree with this, I think other teams also see him as the weak link as lets face it they need there to be one weak link to think they have a chance of winning. Underestimating him could be their biggest mistake
2012-11-21 16:11
United States lurppis 
i don't really look at stats tbh (only glance at them to see if they back up how i feel or not), but based on watching a LOT of nip's matches it just seems like he's not quite on the level of the others -- that's just my opinion.
2012-11-21 16:12
i totally agree, there is atleast 5 other swedes that is better at go than him. He gotta be the nicest person off hsfield since hes still playing with them.
2012-11-21 16:46
It's more about doing the x & y's for your team than getting flashy kills and sick K/D scores - Fiff is probably doing similar to ahl in that way, he just has some intagibles that makes him more essential than most would think.
2012-11-21 17:47
Fifflaren has always looked really good when i tune into NiP matches, seen him win a couple of clutch rounds and not lose one, and he will always look worse than he actually is when he is playing with GeT_RiGhT and f0rest. RobbaN and Face always looked like noobs compared to GTR, f0rest and Delpan but they still did their job most of the time in 2011 atleast.
2012-11-21 17:27
Agreed, his not maybe the shining star of NIP but he aint bad either.
2012-11-21 19:32
n1 excellent coments fifflaren is a good player
2012-11-21 15:56
I believe you Lurppis do not know that stingeR was nominated for MVP for just about every huge CS:S LAN he ever attended, always coming up huge for his team (hence why he has been constantly on top UK source teams). prb used to be an very good 1.6 player, the rest of the mouz team is ex CGS winners and LAN winners. If they get on a roll I believe they will easily get 2nd in group A, ESC has been playing very bad lately and I doubt fnatic have had the time to practice GO good enough with a new player joining them just a few days ago.
2012-11-21 15:59
I agree with you, mouz.uk will most certainly do better than what we saw in some of the recent online matches. prb and stingeR are two of Norways greatest talents, they have a ton of experience and they manage english just fine so there should not be any communication problems, coupled with the CGS winners who earlier this year won Copenhagen Games I dont see these guys ending up 4th in their group. Yes they have not had as much time to pracctice together as other teams, and they have performed below average in online matches lately, but I still expect these guys to show a completely different form at this event. ESC vs mouz.uk will be the match to watch in this group, I predict mouz.uk to come on top of this match and end up top2 in the group(After a win over fnatic and probably but not certainly a loss to NiP).
2012-11-21 17:55
curse 4th, really? I think they will get out of the groups.
2012-11-21 15:59
Netherlands JUNG13 
Personally I think Curse can make some serious damage to anyone in group B
2012-11-21 16:00
yep, sorta weird that they'd be predicted 4th when they've been dominant the entire esea season. Even with the stand-in they should have no problem pulling 1st/2nd in their group.
2012-11-21 16:05
ya but they have TWO new players, the short story I dont think its even possible to predict how they will do
2012-11-21 16:08
Other ohai 
i think they were 6-0 in esea when they got destroyed in the eswc qualifier. judging from that, their esea results don't say much towards how they'll do at lan. plus they're dealing with the issues mentioned in the article. i don't know about 4th but i don't see them making it past groups (3rd-4th)
2012-11-21 16:35
yeah the Europeans will be surprised when they have to play against Skadoodle
2012-11-21 18:00
Netherlands JUNG13 
+1, crazy awp
2012-11-21 19:15
"I don't have much faith in the mixture of a Norwegian-British lineup. It feels more like the British members invited some Norwegian friends over because they're fun to play gathers with online" stingeR has actually done great things with british teams in the past, in source. he was voted mvp at one or two events, so this pick-up isn't entirely random at all. he also played 1.6 with REAL & co back in the day.
2012-11-21 16:01
Norway kakkopp 
would rather see prb and stinger in a .no squad like tt or bx3
2012-11-21 16:11
I like brits and the UK in general, and I guess it's better than not having any norwegians in the tourney at all. I've pretty much lost faith in fully norwegian lineups. you saw what happened to kalle and tacky.. once they got in a team with foreigners, they blossomed.
2012-11-21 16:33
Agree, though I think Lions may be able to pull something off, they did quite well at CPH Games, though then they had stingeR, but still I wouldn't write them off:)
2012-11-21 16:45
Yeah.. I kind of laughed at that comment. Stinger and prb are two of the greatest talents Norway has seen in CS and CSS, both have played in national and international top teams, stinger has even played with rattlesnk and co in former teams. Some of stingeR` former teams: mTw, power gaming, epsilon esports, crossed Some of prb` former teams: team9, NoA, MYM, cbteam, .no
2012-11-21 18:11
Srsly? With REAL?
2012-11-21 20:42
Netherlands rajino 
u serious with those predictions?
2012-11-21 16:04
2012-11-21 16:35
great preview of the teams and predictions. I wouldn't argue with who you've picked to go through. Although I'd like to see fnatic do well in group A as their team has real potential
2012-11-21 16:07
Georgia Fatal Fighter 
Can Friis dominate with his AWP at DreamHack Winter tomorrow? yes yes, he can ^_^
2012-11-21 16:14
but at the same time we have to remember that only Martin "trace" Heldt has had real success in the past playing the strict, planned version of CS, karrigan under gob b/ArcadioN friis under ArcadioN/Berry
2012-11-21 16:17
Other ohai 
key part of that sentence is the phrase 'has had real success' did friis under arc/ber and karrigan under gobb/arc have huge success?
2012-11-21 16:33
Curse is gonna do way better than 4th and no way in hell Progaming is 2nd
2012-11-21 16:18
However, Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson has been unimpressive in all of their tournaments in my opinion step up fiflaren or gtfo !!
2012-11-21 16:26
Don´t be to hard to him. He isn´t a regular AWP player. And then compare to other who only can play with awp isn´t fair. I have watched almost all NiP games and have seen for exampel f0rest with the awp, he didn´t get any hit on easy targets. So is he bad then? Don´t think so. All player have change game to GO, and i think Fifflaren have get the hardest role of them all. Everytime he haven´t played with awp, he have been on the top of the scoring. Sorry for my bad english.
2012-11-21 16:49
f0rest isnt an awper,if he misses awp shots,it doesnt matter anyway. watch the us guy sgares. Dude is a monster and so many others. Fifflaren sucks big time compared to them. He miss way too many shots,believe me if he continues like this i wont be surprise if NiP shows him the exit door !!
2012-11-21 17:47
No way isn´t he? Just kidding. Anyway, Fifflarens isn´t a awper either, but he have take the responsibility over it because he can handle it "ok". He won´t be kicked because all in the team knows this. The only thing he need is time. Just like ESC players.
2012-11-21 18:38
sgares is overrated, he misses tons of shots... kennyS is by the far the best there is in this game of the awp being so random and hard to control Anyway, awpers are demphasized in CSGO so it doesn't really matter much nowadays how hard the awpers frag as long as entry riflers and lurker rifles do their job
2012-11-21 20:05
Can you read? Fifflaren has never been an awper before. Yes, he will miss shots, but don't even compare him to other awpers. He is basically forced to use the awp because the others don't want to do it.
2012-11-21 20:11
maybe awper in csgo is not that important the maps are much narrower than 1.6 and smoke & flash performs really strong
2012-11-21 16:36
I watched Markeloff's stream when he was playing with the AWP in CS:GO. It was pretty impressive, I think a good awp player can make a difference with it in GO.
2012-11-21 16:55
markeloff is special :D
2012-11-22 05:13
Nice lurppis, but @ group B i would say gosu infront of americans..
2012-11-21 16:42
cool) good work) hi all ;D
2012-11-21 16:42
I agree with the predictions, in group A mouz is likely to end up 0-3'd Group B can have gosu as a winner but I agree Curse is not going to win a map.
2012-11-21 16:43
Agree completely, esc suprised me positively in ESWC and as you said their game hours compared to fnatic is what's gonna do the trick, group with big names but I think mousesports will be a big flop as well. As for group B im with you, but it seems somewhat of a random group to me... Don't have much expectations from Curse, and thinking gosu's lack of experience combined with Progaming's motivation and wolves proving they are a top dog in the DK scene will result in your predictions. (1st time I completely agree with you :P)
2012-11-21 16:44
Lurppis I wonder, would your predictions for group A be any different if it had been Bo3?
2012-11-21 16:52
Very much doubt Curse will finish last in that group. I'd also hope that mousesports would do well, but it's hard to say with the new lineup, Rattlesnk was one of if not the best awper in CS:S for a long while (Along with GuardiaN).
2012-11-21 16:57
India h8or 
TaZ trollface. LMAO.
2012-11-21 17:06
Poland kRAMERO 
ESC > NiP i really believe this. The same was before WSVG2k6, they lost vs 4k 11:16 and on the lan 16:1 or something like that
2012-11-21 17:22
looks like I will be sick tommorow <trollface>
2012-11-21 17:34
I'd be surprised if Progaming don't come 4th in their group
2012-11-21 17:39
Group B Cph Wolves Curse TD gosu U guys are underestimating Curse!
2012-11-21 17:39
Group B TD Cph Wolves Curse gosu U guys are underestimating TD!
2012-11-21 17:43
Just like we were undermasting TD during ESWC??
2012-11-21 18:06
just do the maths please. 3 players without mousepads + mouse and headset. 1 hour late and admin doesnt even let them pee. TD will most likely be 1st or 2nd in group B
2012-11-21 18:10
Argentina plix10 
I don't know how Curse plays, but I still have hope on mouz, ESC plays very bad, like they didn't addapt to the game, but i don't know this is lan, i think NiP 1st and then a tight battle against ESC/Mouz for 2nd place, but fnatic is a surprise
2012-11-21 17:39
nice fakenick juv3nile: ))
2012-11-21 17:49
I feel like people are underestimating gosu. ;) Hope to see some nice results from those guys!
2012-11-21 18:15
lol'd this is lan.
2012-11-22 12:45
so fkin awsome, i remeber dh winter 11 grand final where friis dominated vs lions
2012-11-21 18:40
Disagree with some predictions, but it was a good read thought. I don't really think that Curse is going to lose that bad, and about the Norwegian-British combination it's not like you said, they're way stronger now than before with the norwegian duo imo. Good luck to gosu and fnatic!
2012-11-21 18:41
Go go Fnatic! Show us the true skill!!!
2012-11-21 19:10
"NiP's only real problem is that they lack a top level AWPer." GTR + Autosniper combo is doing pretty well the games ive watched :)
2012-11-21 19:39
Bulgaria goatse 
im fnatic fanboy 1- fnatic 2- nip
2012-11-21 19:49
NiP - ESC / curse - progaming TD
2012-11-21 19:56
Don´t really think ESC could do any damage at that time.
2012-11-21 19:57
NIP, ESC, fnatic/mouz
2012-11-21 20:00
TaZ face
2012-11-21 20:10
mouz great lineup. hope they do better than 4th
2012-11-21 20:41
Estonia looodi 
great read as always but i probably will only stick to reading cuz i really dont like this game. just awful game..no joy at all
2012-11-21 21:18
mouz and curse to underrated pro gaming to overrated in my opinion: nip esc mouz fnatic wolves curse gosu progaming
2012-11-21 21:37
agree 100%
2012-11-22 02:00
f0rest > ALL
2012-11-21 22:29
"...meaning fnatic will likely miss playoffs with a 1-1-2 record." Uhm, should it be 1-0-2 record?
2012-11-21 23:28
Norway kakkopp 
fnatic over mouz, lol`d they barely touched the game
2012-11-21 23:36
okay guys what about Verygames, im lost :/
2012-11-21 23:57
ProGaming.TD 3., or 2. place
2012-11-22 02:03
I'd really like vg to win dis shiet.
2012-11-22 08:07
Lurpis ur so wrong about mouz, they will reach playoffs. if stinger, prb and pete bring there a-game. they can beat anyone.
2012-11-22 11:35
your predictions are always shit. i mean always
2012-11-22 13:15
2012-11-22 15:35
I believe in ESC, you will still win !
2012-11-22 18:37
2012-11-22 21:01
World owints 
2012-11-23 01:46
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