Garfield: "CSP not a GO competitor"

December 12th, 2012 16:00

We sat down with Alexander Garfield, who is at the helm of the CSPromod project, to discuss with him the latest developments in the mod's building process.

After more than a year without any new updates, the CSPromod developers caught everyone by surprise last week when they announced that the 1.09 patch was ready to be released and that the project had finally found some much-needed support from an unnamed partner.

It is a light at the end of the tunnel for those who are not fond of CS:GO, as the mod tries to replicate the so-called "1.6 feeling" in the Source engine.

The 1.09 patch received mixed reviews from the community, but it was announced on Tuesday that the new update, which will be released on Sunday, will introduce many important changes, such as improved models and animations.

Find you out below what Garfield had to say about the project in this interview, which was conducted prior to 1.09's release.

1.09 was supposed to be released in August, right after CS:GO came out. Why just now? What was the holdup?

We have been a volunteer project for a very long time. Historically, deadlines have not been our strong suit. Going forward, our core development team will be compensated, and we believe this will address the issue of inconsistent updates and long wait periods in between versions.

Many had expected CSP to take over from 1.6 and CS:Source, but then CS:GO came along. Are you not afraid that you may have missed the boat?

We are not at all concerned that we have missed the window for our project to be successful. We do not see ourselves as a CS:GO competitor - in terms of mechanics and gameplay, CSP and CS:GO are completely different.

What is your opinion about CS:GO and why do you think that yours is the better game?

That is a pretty loaded question!  I do not agree with its premise at all.  We do not think CSP is a better game than CS:GO. The core gameplay elements are just different.

How close is the game to its first official release?

At least three months. The game will be updated and patched consistently, however, leading up to our first official release.

Are you not afraid that CSPromod may split the community even more?

No, because ultimately we think that people play games because they are fun, not because of what they are named. I always kind of roll my eyes when people talk about the “Counter-Strike Community,” because we really have n had one, cohesive Counter-Strike community since 2005, when there was fundamentally only one version of Counter-Strike.  A group of games sharing the same name or branding do not mean that they necessarily share a community, or that they even should share a community.

To me, CS 1.6, CS:Source, and CS:GO are all completely different games in terms of mechanics and gameplay.  Sure, there has been some overlap in the player base, but they have never really shared one, cohesive community.  So, rather than saying that the “Counter-Strike Community” is split, it would be more accurate to say that the “Team-Based PC FPS Community” is split.  And, if you were to say that, I do not think anyone would argue that it should be any other way.  Like, I doubt you would have people raising their voices and flailing their arms in outrage because the Call of Duty 4 community was not united with the TF2 community, for example. 

My point is, why is it any different for the different Counter-Strike titles? Because they share the same name?  Because they are all in a bomb/defuse format?  Because the guns are named the same?  Those, to me, are very shallow, surface-level bonds.  Anyone who has played the different iterations of Counter-Strike knows that they are fundamentally three completely different games in terms of their mechanics and feel. So, let’s stop kidding ourselves - we have not had a “unified community” since there was only one version of the game.  You cannot make someone play something they do nit enjoy just because it has the same name as something completely different that they used to enjoy. 

That is why we do not see our project as a CS:GO competitor.  We respect the CS:GO development team, and our game is completely different from CS:GO - anyone who has played both will tell you that the mechanics are completely different.  Regardless of what happens with CSP, people who enjoy CS:GO will continue to play CS:GO.  People who enjoy CS:Source will continue to play CS:Source.  People who enjoy Call of Duty will continue to play Call of Duty.

The community talking points over the past several years seem to have been, “Unite!  Unite!  Unite!  That’s the only way we’ll save the Counter-Strike community!”  I completely disagree with this.  To me, that’s setting the bar so low.  One thing people forget is that the Counter-Strike community, in its current state, is but a small percentage of what it was in the mid-2000’s when it was at its peak.  Even if we united all of today’s hardcore 1.6, Source, and GO players, that number combined still wouldn’t be close to where the community was in the mid-2000’s.

The goal of our project is not to “take” players away from CS:GO, or CS:Source.  Sure, our gameplay is closest to 1.6 in terms of mechanics, so we’re hoping to win over a lot of that crowd, but aside from that, we don’t feel like it’s any of our business to ask people who enjoy a completely different set of mechanics (such as Source or GO) to play our game.   The goal of our project is to bring back the millions, upon millions, upon millions of players that have left the team-based FPS community because there has not been an appealing title for them in a half-decade.

Those players are out there - and they remember what it was like to pug and scrim with all of their buddies in 2005, or 2006, or 2007.  They still have PC’.  They still play online games.  They are just not playing a team-based FPS.  They are playing DotA 2, or League of Legends, or StarCraft 2, or one of many other titles that may or may not be first-person shooters.

TL;DR - if your formula is “[CS 1.6 Player Base]+[CS:S Player Base]+[CS:GO Player Base]=All Eligible CSP Players” then you’re missing the point completely. We believe our project can be very successful without “taking” any players away from any of the existent Counter-Strike titles.  

The biggest obstacle to the success of the mod seems to be the support that CS:GO has already garnered from tournament organizers. Have you had the chance to talk to said organizers about the possibility of replacing CS:GO with your mod in the future?

That is not the biggest obstacle to the success of the project.  I do not even think that is an obstacle.  Once again, you need to get out of this “CS:GO vs. CSP” mindset.  It doesn’t make any sense to me, in the same way that people who talk about “DotA 2 vs. LoL” don’t make any sense to me. It is not a competition.

Have you recently had the chance to talk to some professional CS:GO players about your game? If so, what are their thoughts about it?

We are collecting feedback from any all and professional players who want to give it to us!

Valve has been working hard together with professional players to make the game as appealing as possible. Do you consider working with Valve, or do you think it will not be possible because of CS:GO?

We would love to work with Valve!  We do not see CSP as a GO competitor.  

Are you already working on 1.10? What sort of changes will it bring? When is it due?

Rather than hyping up new versions and dangling features in front of people’s faces, I would just like to say that we’ll be updating the game much more frequently now.  I understand that historically, promises like this have not been followed up on.  Actions speak louder than words, and hopefully, after people see that we are patching it and updating it consistently, we will earn back everyone’s trust.

garfield :D
2012-12-12 15:58
No, because ultimately we think that people play games because they are fun, not because of what they are named. I always kind of roll my eyes when people talk about the “Counter-Strike Community,” because we really have n had one, cohesive Counter-Strike community since 2005, when there was fundamentally only one version of Counter-Strike. A group of games sharing the same name or branding do not mean that they necessarily share a community, or that they even should share a community. You cannot make someone play something they do not enjoy just because it has the same name as something completely different that they used to enjoy. Kind of what I've been saying back in the days when I used to argue with the likes of Foerester, ak.47.agent, etc, who always brought up this 'CSGO is the new CS, u guys should move on and save the CS/FPS scene' shit. Heck, I even pawned that Brit 'dv' who used to be a die-hard blinded GO fanboy. He brought up that argument, but I ended up winning and had opened his eyes by then. Nowadays, he listens to his heart and returns to the good old 1.6 :) Well, in short, Garfield and I share a same view on this: people who move on to GO just because it's called 'CS', regardless of the quality of the game, are ignorant and need to be slapped in the face real hard. While people who move on to GO just because they want to save this so called 'CS' or even to save a fucking FPS scene, need to be punched in the tooth till they scatter, or till they wake up and sober. Jesus Christ. They don't even know what they're talking about. Btw, looking forward to the success of CSP :D
2012-12-12 18:03
well said, master
2012-12-12 20:46
2012-12-13 16:47
Still love 1.6, but for me it was time for something new, and cs:go is something new ;)
2012-12-30 08:45
Agree with you, but I really respect those who moved because they need something "fresh", new, to gain motivation again
2012-12-13 00:31
Like you know what the hell you're talking about. Have you ever considered the fact that people just want to play CS:GO because THEY ACTUALY LIKE IT? It's not about saving the scene or some other bullshit you've dreamt last night, it's about competition. It doesn't matter if it's 1.6, cs:s, cs:go, csp; if you're a hardcore gamer that loves competition and you want to have fun and also win some money you'll take any game. Just because you have different opinions than other people doesn't make you smarter or wiser, it actually makes you look like an arrogant douchebag.
2012-12-13 05:30
2012-12-13 07:09
Incoming wall of texts.. Have you ever considered the fact that people just want to play CS:GO because THEY ACTUALY LIKE IT? I consider people who 'play' or even 'like' GO to be sucking in 1.6, and literally are sucking the pros' d**ks since they just blindly follow the steps of their idols. But, there are also the pros themselves, who seek money (gtr, forp, etc). Ironically there are also these 'pros' who also want and always try to squeeze money out of the game, but-here comes the irony-have never achieved anything, even since 1.6, and never realize that they are just not meant to be champions..that they've been playing a game they don't really like for nothing.. Then, there are people who have excess spare time. Also there are people who weren't into 1.6 back then when it's still crowded, despite being not below average in term of skill-these people are minority, though, personally speaking. Now, you want to say that you have more fun in GO? Doubt it. Even the maps are too grayish and unclear for you to socialize. Maybe if someone's trying to be funny in-game, you won't even notice it. It's not about saving the scene or some other bullshit you've dreamt last night, it's about competition. I'm not dreaming. You'll owe me 10 bucks via Paypal if I manage to find at least 20 unique users saying and spreading that bullshit these past months. It doesn't matter if it's 1.6, cs:s, cs:go, csp; if you're a hardcore gamer that loves competition and you want to have fun and also win some money you'll take any game. You talk as if others are just as 'hardcore' of a player as you who demand competitions regardless of the game's title and the game's quality. Just because you have different opinions than other people doesn't make you smarter or wiser, it actually makes you look like an arrogant douchebag. I was just pissed at these people. They always try to take advantage of the infinite ignorance of humanity by brainwashing others with this 'GO is the next CS and the future, and you should move on, or else CS as a whole will be dead, as will the FPS scene in general' shit. Firstly, there were only 1-2 of them, then it grew to 5, then 10, and more, which led to me thinking that these people had been successfully brainwashed. Well, it's still not 'CS' for most people in this forum today, so why should we move on if the game is not pleasing? Why should we save the 'CS' franchise by playing a game we don't actually enjoy? If there's a game that 100% resembles Call of Duty yet named as Counter-Strike, would you play it to save 'CS' (and for the record, I'm not saying that GO = CoD. It's just an example so don't bring that as an argument)? No, because you play a game for its quality, not for its name, just as I've been saying since ages here, and just as Garfield has said recently. Then, more ridiculously, why should we, average users, be obligated to care about FPS scene in general when the only that bounds/bounded us to it is/was only 1.6? This is the reason why they need to be punched in the face; they pretend to be involved in something big by saying 'save FPS scene' even though they are not acquired to do so, not even sure whether they know the reason why they want to do so.. Just listen to your heart, and play whatever game you desire the most. Make dv and ak.47.agent as role models (I'm proud of you, guys XD). The latter even posted a thread admitting his own regret forcing himself to like GO, and that he realized that he found much more fun in 1.6 than in GO XD I can't believe I'm posting these stuff again, man..... But hey, ignorant people always need to be slapped in the face :D
2012-12-13 10:47
i love you.
2012-12-13 12:54
can you give me an autograph?
2012-12-13 16:52
I belive you are mentally challenged. Goodbye!
2012-12-13 17:39
You got told. Sit down and shut the fuck up.
2012-12-13 17:45
You're just trash. :)
2012-12-14 10:52
I can feel the rage burning within you.
2012-12-14 12:29
I`m soooooooooo raging :P fag :D
2012-12-16 00:54
u so mad its fun
2012-12-16 01:37
Now sit down and shut the fuck up.
2012-12-17 16:03
Well spoken
2012-12-16 01:34
I so much agree with you, people do change to cs:go because some known gamers are moving and playing it, bcause they expect it to be the next big FPS game(where all the money is going to be), even if it sucks as hard as it actually does. I have been playing it some gathers, and as you and many others probably already know, its a really broke game, as you said the maps and the grafic is so weird, the movement, the sensitivity/feeling feels so unreal and m4a1 with silencer, i could keep on going.. and yeah last it's not even close to be fun playing :/
2012-12-18 23:29
Some people actually enjoy playing it, if you don't, that's you, don't put everyone in the same box as you. Not everyone plays a game just because the "pros" play it aswell... that is a very poor excuse.
2012-12-27 11:03
Some people actually enjoy playing it, if you don't, that's you, don't put everyone in the same box as you. Not everyone plays a game just because the "pros" play it aswell... that is a very poor excuse. A big wall of text where you talk about people should play what they like, and whatever, but you are the first to criticize other for playing what they like... start being coherent with what you say.
2012-12-27 11:05
+1, Well said.
2012-12-13 13:02
I simply play CSGO, cuz i prefer it over 1.6 and CSGO.
2012-12-13 13:43
Denmark kozality 
I understand your points, but what is your opinion about those to genuinely love the CS:GO concept and the game itself?
2012-12-15 00:56
What about the people that move to CS:GO because they like it? They should be shot? -__-'
2012-12-27 10:58
haha that made me laugh too :DD
2012-12-12 18:48
Hi Sofokles, are you still alive? Your Oedipus the King is classic till right now!
2012-12-12 19:00
i love promod <3
2012-12-12 15:59
Cod4 promod!
2012-12-13 13:03
2012-12-17 16:03
gogogo promod
2012-12-12 16:01
Belgium JdlF 
"We do not see CSP as a GO competitor" "We believe our project can be very successful without “taking” any players away from any of the existent Counter-Strike titles." CSP; they're creating players?!
2012-12-12 16:02
Yeah because the only people in this world already play an iteration of cs... Idiot.
2012-12-12 16:24
are you dumb? everyone who plays csp right now played a previous version of cs or is currently playing another version of cs. no one just happened to stumble upon cspromod with no prior knowledge of cs. this interview with alex is so stupid how he's saying there is no cs community, or cspromod isn't going to separate the cs community even more, or csp isn't going to compete with promod. what a load of shit. idiot.
2012-12-12 16:37
if you did read the whole thing then you probably know about the part that he wants to bring back the cs 1.6 players who quit or switched to another game that is not-CS. it's your problem for taking everything literally.
2012-12-12 16:42
You clearly didn't understand him... his point was that he's looking to attract people outside of the current fps community (but says it will mostly interest 1.6 players). He's bang on with most things except for the competition side of things.. the whole genre of fps is inevitably in competition.
2012-12-12 17:02
Latvia GekonsCS 
totally agree with you - this Garfield guy is retarded...
2012-12-12 17:16
Yeah he must be he only created the biggest multi gaming organisation in the western world
2012-12-12 19:41
Latvia GekonsCS 
created EG or not, the interview itself is full of bullshit, whether it's presidet of U.S. or random dude!
2012-12-12 19:53
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
sauce fanboy
2012-12-13 00:41
Latvia GekonsCS 
if you mean sauce as source, then you are wrong - played 1.6 for years!
2012-12-13 08:11
somewhat a bit more qualified than u.
2012-12-13 11:21
Latvia GekonsCS 
more qualified than me, but talks like a little boy who lives in his fantasy world.
2012-12-13 13:25
wat u think fantasy may be something real.
2012-12-13 14:23
Latvia GekonsCS 
yeah because calling CSP not a competitor of CS:GO and saying that they will get people playing CSP not from other cs scenes is SO REAL! wake up buddy!
2012-12-13 14:28
The competition between CSp and GO has been created by us only.He just developed a game,he will release it in the market.Dats all.U dint read the whole interview than. "We respect the CS:GO development team, and our game is completely different from CS:GO - anyone who has played both will tell you that the mechanics are completely different. Regardless of what happens with CSP, people who enjoy CS:GO will continue to play CS:GO. People who enjoy CS:Source will continue to play CS:Source. People who enjoy Call of Duty will continue to play Call of Duty." The goal of our project is not to “take” players away from CS:GO, or CS:Source. Sure, our gameplay is closest to 1.6 in terms of mechanics, so we’re hoping to win over a lot of that crowd, but aside from that, we don’t feel like it’s any of our business to ask people who enjoy a completely different set of mechanics (such as Source or GO) to play our game. The goal of our project is to bring back the millions, upon millions, upon millions of players that have left the team-based FPS community because there has not been an appealing title for them in a half-decade. "Those players are out there - and they remember what it was like to pug and scrim with all of their buddies in 2005, or 2006, or 2007. They still have PC’. They still play online games. They are just not playing a team-based FPS. They are playing DotA 2, or League of Legends, or StarCraft 2, or one of many other titles that may or may not be first-person shooters."
2012-12-13 14:47
Latvia GekonsCS 
I read it all twice...and haven't changed my opinion about this...and yes THEIR GOAL is not to take players away from other scenes, but please be realistic, if none of the players who are playing 1.6/source/go right now will start playing CSP, this game will be a total disaster! And bringing back the old players from 2k5/2k6 ? Are you for real? no one will ever come back from them just to play this CSP competitively!
2012-12-13 16:20
what is the problem of die trying?, your have a closed mind.
2012-12-14 20:21
Latvia GekonsCS 
it's called being realistic
2012-12-14 20:54
reality is subjective
2012-12-14 21:50
Latvia GekonsCS 
reality is not subjective, it's based on well-known facts! Subjective is only opinion!
2012-12-14 22:16
United Kingdom wap 
Wow, calm down and read it again, because you clearly did not understand what he said.
2012-12-12 18:31
No need to call anyone names. Thank you.
2012-12-12 23:15
No need to call anyone names. Thank you.
2012-12-12 23:15
You're really taking offense to the word idiot? Have you read some of the posts on here :S
2012-12-13 08:28
I am not taking offense but asking you to address the users in a more respectful way, just as you yourself surely would like it.
2012-12-13 22:42
yes, for example i do not play any title of cs atm even though i bought that dreadful csgo.
2012-12-12 16:39
Germany Dok1 
of course it is a competitor. No game out there is more similar to csgo.
2012-12-12 16:02
Lithuania 0outof8Guy 
In theory - yes, it's a competitor, but not really in the practical view.
2012-12-12 16:05
lmao this guy is delusional, of course they are competitors I remember when promod first came oout the whole point was to unite 1.6 and source communities haha Of course this guy knows they wont even touch csgo so he tries to act like they are not competitors
2012-12-12 16:06
And you think he will say that?
2012-12-12 16:05
2012-12-12 16:54
He is not delusional,you are the naive one thinking that everybody speak their minds instead of what may be better for marketing their products during interviews
2012-12-12 17:13
wow. Why do you keep posting shit? go jizz somewhere else
2012-12-12 22:49
kNgV- | 
Brazil vicTHOR 
and what do you expect from him? "YEAHH THIS IS SPARTA... DEATH TO CSGO!!!!" ???? --'
2012-12-13 00:43
410k saucer kid detected
2012-12-13 04:29
Remember what the 1.6 community said about CSP 2-3 years ago? The game is the same as it is now... what has changed? First it was the crappy graphics (It's the hl2 Orange box engine, same as CSS and CS:GO) Crappy movements fuck saucer game fuck fuck fuck... oh dear. This scene...
2012-12-13 09:32
United States B0rat 
Good game! Better than CS:GO!
2012-12-12 16:04
Finally a american likes the game! America fuck yeah!
2012-12-17 16:05
2012-12-12 16:04
What is your opinion about CS:GO and why do you think that yours is the better game? That is a pretty loaded question! I do not agree with its premise at all. We do not think CSP is a better game than CS:GO. The core gameplay elements are just different.
2012-12-12 16:05
You only read what you want to read.
2012-12-12 16:25
but it's true though, everything he said in the interview is kinda true.
2012-12-12 20:31
To compete against CS:GO you have to release your game first. So he's right.
2012-12-12 16:07
he is also the ceo of team eg.
2012-12-12 16:08
Csgo : Game keep update monthly since the beta with for a premiere (valve listening to all top cs player from both community css & 1.6 ) I was disapoint at first beta about the game but very nice follow by valve on cs:go . And now we got the best of both community competiting CSP : It's Game get a bad update one per year (only listening to cs 1.6 community , not even had a talk about css advantage that should be keep ). So its basicly a game wich is even worst than cs Beta in earlier 2000 Csp : animation are fucking bad even in the last update death animation or run it's so damn bad. and it's as beautiful as Cs:cz so 6 year to do that . even if you are doing it on your free time dont expect people to be kind if you want to be a serious competitor for cs:go . You should just cancel this ! Too much time waste in this project (that could have been good 3 years ago) It's like comparing LoL with the chinese copy (shrek as hero that launch donkey LMFAO)
2012-12-12 16:15
The animation / run / models are new and better much better in 1.1 on sunday.. So relax Frenchotdog
2012-12-12 16:10
alex paid you for defending the project?
2012-12-12 16:12
Valve payed you for flaming it?.. What's your point
2012-12-12 16:14
But alex said they are not competitors.... why you mentioning valve?
2012-12-12 16:26
cuz the french dude mentioned that a volunteering group of people is paying piesporter?!
2012-12-12 16:45
2012-12-12 17:34 sirscoots EG dirty money
2012-12-12 16:15
2012-12-12 16:13
CS:GO's updates have been consistent and did eventually take on some of the bigger problems people were having with it, sure. I'd still say it's been sub-par to the quality Valve is known for and generally represents. If you've played CSPromod, you'd know that there are a lot of options that lets you mimic aspects of CS:S, so I'm sure the CSP team aren't/haven't excluded CS:S entirely during the game's development. The animations aren't great, that's for sure, but it'll get better. Just like with CS:GO. It's not like the animations were impressive during the beta stage. For what graphics/colors go, neither of the two games are worthy of applause. There's no reason to shun CSP if you don't like it. Just play whatever game you feel like playing. :)
2012-12-12 16:27
Great comment! :) I know you admins swing the banhammer as much as your time let's you, but people who flame either GO or CSP should be punished somehow. I see so much unrelated shit in every topic nowadays, not to mention some guys open a forum thread to say they don't like GO or CSP...
2012-12-12 16:44
You mean let's make a place where we can only say what people wanna hear ?
2012-12-12 18:21
Everyone should be free to express his/her opinion. I just say that people who open topics for the purpose of flaming either promod or GO should recieve some punishment, as they aren't doing any good, not like they give some constructive criticism or whatever, they just yell "I hate Promod it sucks!" and than do some trolling before the topic eventually gets closed. :D For example: "CSP" Created 2012-12-09 15:39 by: dAND3h "Just tried it so I am not a hypocrite like you little geeks who hate on CS:GO. It is fucking awful. Shit sounds, retarded animations, 30 choke constant. Have fun with your 300 player base again." I personally don't like CS:GO as a whole, and you don't see me trolling CSP supporters all day. Cause that's just stupid.
2012-12-12 19:43
Can agree with you on that.
2012-12-13 01:04
You are obviously saying lots of shit in this post. You obviously don't like CSP and your whole post is biased. Saying CSP now is worst than CS beta in 2000 is just like saying "I don't know what I am talking about, I just throw my opinion because I don't like CSP and I'm scared people could actually leave playing CSGO for CSP." CSP models are coming on Sunday, there you will be able to compare them to CSGO, not now. You clearly just learned about CSP and don't know a shit about how CS grew during all those years. You probably think CS:S is the first playable CS and that CSGO is just the best competitive game ever.
2012-12-12 18:26
He can relax.. I would if I was Garfield. Why? Because he know CSP will win people over.. He got a good product between his hands.. and know what to do.
2012-12-12 16:09
enjoy playing 1v1 with alex because it will only be you 2 playing this pos.
2012-12-12 16:40
wat he said is correct to some extent.We should wait for the game to be released full fledgedly,than only we can say about that 1vs 1,or 5vs5 thing.Ryt?Before that dont troll with ur Illogical retard pre-Dick-tions :/
2012-12-13 11:26
Estonia 2026 
Great guy :) Nice.
2012-12-12 16:10
Probably different Alexander Garfield, than Team EG's CEO? :p
2012-12-12 16:12
it is the same
2012-12-12 16:13
Wow, that is pretty surprising. :P
2012-12-13 14:10
Brazil Xen. 
2012-12-12 16:14
Nope, same guy.
2012-12-12 23:16
The same guy, nope
2012-12-12 23:26
nope. same guy
2012-12-13 07:13
Zeus | 
Other Chuckeee 
Guy nope same.
2012-12-14 10:18
same nope guy
2012-12-18 05:10
He's the same. *There should be an Indian comment, too.* :D
2013-01-05 11:21
Glad to hear I'm not the only one rolling eyes when I hear people bitch about the community.
2012-12-12 16:13
He might be right about the community, but he's delusional about CSP not being a competitor of CSGO (and all other FPS games). It's like saying Apple is not a competitor of Samsung because all cellphone users are not using Samsung* right now.
2012-12-12 18:30
Don't worry, you are not the only one.
2012-12-27 11:09
Brazil Xen. 
I was expecting so much more questions.
2012-12-12 16:13
question: Valve has been working hard together with professional players to make the game as appealing as possible. Do you consider working with Valve, or do you think it will not be possible because of CS:GO? Answer; "We would love to work with Valve! We do not see CSP as a GO competitor." This guy is so delusional rofl, of course he would say they are not competitors. The CSP team are basically making a game valve have already made on an engine that valve created to try make money for themselves, fuckinglol.
2012-12-12 16:22
To try make money for themselves? Because they're selling the game at such a high price right? (note: its free)
2012-12-12 17:33
Moron, you know nothing about the csp project do you,even on esea there is a cspromod dev saying that in the future csp will have chargeable items that you buy, you think Alex Garfield is doing this out of the kindness of his heart?
2012-12-12 17:50
If thats true then we'll see if that day comes, but until now the CSP project has existed for over 6 years and they have not taken one single cent. 100% of the work has been either volunteer or done at a loss - so yeh, I dont think they're doing this to make money, they're doing it because they want to make the game. If they're able to re-coup some of the losses from over the years then good on them.
2012-12-12 20:42
Project has been out for 6 years, and the damn beta has been out for 2 years... Selling the game is not the only way to gain money you know? They even just said they now have an unnamed supporter to help them financially, so you think they aren't getting any money already?
2012-12-27 11:13
You kidding ? what kind of chargeable items could they come up with :o ? "Pay 5€/$ and AK47 will only cost 200$ in-game for a week!" :P I'm not doubting your words btw. Just making fun of the fact that might happen.
2012-12-13 01:08
id like to see that source.
2012-12-13 13:22
"You cannot make someone play something they do not enjoy just because it has the same name as something completely different that they used to enjoy." So true. I completely agree with everything he just said. Finally someone saying what I'm thinking since this useless "game X vs game Y" shit started. I wish the CSPromod team the best. It's going to be a huge challenge, but you can do it!
2012-12-12 16:19
Completely agree.
2012-12-12 16:49
People still wont stop whining about others that play a different version than the one they do, unfortunately.
2012-12-27 11:15
in my opinion garfield is totally right, we cant rage about csp, valve made the best work dividing the comunity, cz,cs,cs:go ... and hes so right i have lots friends not playing FPS games cause the scene look bored, and again please dont tell me about competitions, not every1 playing to win eps,Dreamhacks and whatever, this is a game and still game with 50.000.000 millions dollars pots or NO
2012-12-12 16:27
Germany Dok1 
"cause the scene look bored" And you think the same game with new (old) graphics is any exciting?
2012-12-12 16:30
ye it's the graphics that make it exciting! You got it
2012-12-12 23:01
If I sum up the interview : we are not cs:go competitor we are not cs:go competitor We would love to work with Valve! we are not cs:go competitor we are not cs:go competitor We would love to work with Valve! Poor boy, seems like he's too much pressured by Valve
2012-12-12 16:27
MIRAA basically only asked him questions about CS:GO, what did you expect?
2012-12-12 16:29
You're right, and that's why I precisely point out the fact that his diplomatic speech is too obvious to be believable.
2012-12-12 16:38
I see it as he was forced to restate his opinion because his answer basicaly answered all the questions.
2012-12-12 16:44
Germany Dok1 
Another point; He talks about the CS franchise not being a community... But you can see it on this website, it covers CS1.6, CSP and CSGO so the communities are indeed connected this way. If people see that one of the game is getting more and more attention and is a lot more active than the other, they might think about joining 'that community' and try out the game. Maybe they like it too or get used to it? There's not a big "FPS-Community" because there's nothing that connects every single community of the different games like CS (+CSP +CSGO), COD, TF2, Crossfire,... But at CS it indeed makes sense as the gamemode, the maps and also the mechanics are quite similar and you really can't deny that. Also I liked "The goal of our project is to bring back the millions, upon millions, upon millions of players that have left the team-based FPS community because there has not been an appealing title for them in a half-decade." And those millions upon millions are now supposed to try out a game that has the same mechanics as cs1.6 and the same (old) graphics of source? How do you want to convince someone who isn't from the cs1.6 community to try out that game? Additionally, a lot of those players who left CS1.6 since 2005 are now 7 years older and probably won't come back anyway... Nothing against it as a volunteer project, I guess they worked a lot on it but in case they now 'get support' from an unknown company, I really don't know how they want to create a playerbase that big, so that it's worth all the work they put into the game. P.S: Also I doubt that any major leagues will pick up CSP and run 2 CS games at the same time again... Which again means, yes they are competitors. hf at all those who enjoy playing CSP. hf to all those who enjoy playing CSGO.
2012-12-12 16:29
"And those millions upon millions are now supposed to try out a game that has the same mechanics as cs1.6 and the same (old) graphics of source? " Graphics is being updated.
2012-12-12 16:30
Germany Dok1 
updated to what? Portal 2 Engine? (Improved Orange Box Engine = CSGO graphics) Or do you only mean the models? If it's true, then delete the (old), it doesen't change much.
2012-12-12 16:32
Models, animations, maps, sounds etc.
2012-12-12 16:33
so we will new graphics , moderns like cs:go on sunday?
2012-12-12 16:35
Everything won't be on Sunday, no.
2012-12-12 16:37
CSP is already on the 'portal 2 engine' - the same engine that CSGO is on. The engine has nothing to do with the graphics. Over time, CSP will get updated, custom assets that they will make themselves (player models, map textures, sounds, etc) that will make the aesthetics of the game a lot better than it is currently, which is pretty much comparable to CSS. Whether or not they're able to make it as 'good' as CSGO, or even better, remains to be seen.
2012-12-12 17:37
the problem is that with a volunteer-only development team those updates simply take too long to make
2012-12-13 01:15
Yeh of course, its why they've taken as many years as they have just to get here. Hopefully with them now being able to pay their staff full-time salaries as they announced recently this will change though.
2012-12-13 04:34
yeah, it makes me wonder if parts of the interview were cut out or something. Its surprised me greatly that a guy like alex garfield would put out such terribly contradicting and confusing messages about CSP.
2012-12-12 16:48
He talks about the CS franchise not being a community... But you can see it on this website, it covers CS1.6, CSP and CSGO so the communities are indeed connected this way. You call this community, connected? All I see is "1.6'ers this", "saucers that", and has always been like that. I remember the days when people actually discussed what games they were playing, and not argued why they were playing it. the same (old) graphics of source? CSP, CSS and CSGO share the same engine.
2012-12-12 16:52
CSP, CSS and CSGO share the same engine. Still, it looks different. You call this community, connected? Let's say, they share a platform. And remember; the mad people are the ones who post the most and rage a lot, while others silently try out "the other CS game", so yes, they are in some way connected. Atleast a lot more connected than to ANY other FPS game.
2012-12-12 17:00
Still, it looks different. And that's a bad thing? They aren't connect if all the things they do is to bash each other.
2012-12-12 17:09
Again, you ONLY SEE THE ONES WHO BASH EACH OTHER. You won't see a lot of guys hugging each other but still I believe there are a lot of cs1.6/css players that play csgo and don't hate on any of those games? The ones complaining are always the ones looking for the most attention.
2012-12-12 18:16
I'm a admin here, I see everything, but hugging isn't one of them.
2012-12-12 18:37
can i hug you? :(
2012-12-12 19:15
You don't see what is not written :-) Those who complain about something always write more than those who are satisfied :-)
2012-12-12 21:48
2012-12-12 23:22
I have to agree with you. Guys with ~10 years old PC won't play game in Source engine with "same" feeling of Golden source engine that doesn't require good PC. 2005 players moved on and I don't see them comming back. I also don't think it can attract new players. It can get only share of 1.6 and CSS open-minded players. I think this game could get the most "mature" community because players who would play it would play it just for pure fun. I don't expect CSP to become bigger than some online tournaments, leagues and local LANs with almost no prizes involved. That's allow me to be able to tell that CSP and CS:GO are not direct competitors. The most of FPS players are guys who play it because they just want to shoot something and if they die a lot of times in a row they start to rage or just quit. LoL and Dota are games based on the teamwork and team spirit and there is nothing like recoil or bad bullet registry. In every computer game you meet idiots, soloists and narrow-minded people. The most important thing is if it's majority or minority of player base. I agree that each CS title has it's own mechanics and feelings and it's forms of customization and it's the great thing about it you know million people million tastes. Enjoy what you like, share your opinions and don't force nobody to take your opinions as the only true.
2012-12-13 03:06
I totally agree with his!
2012-12-13 10:55
Sweden JAMV 
2012-12-12 16:32
imo yes, they are kinda competitors, but honestly its because most of people care about rage against each other more than enjoy gaming with your mates,
2012-12-12 16:33
did he just say lol n dota2 are not competitors
2012-12-12 16:34
Germany Dok1 
yes he did!
2012-12-12 16:48
Dota 2 was not released to kill LoL, and vice-versa. The Dota 2 community plays the game because they enjoy it, and not because they want to kill LoL, and vice-versa. Both games co-exist in different tournaments. Both communities are very distinct. Both games cater different audiences. They just share the same genre and ambitions, but not the community. It's like saying Mario Kart competes with Gran Turismo. NBA Jam vs NBA2K13 etc
2012-12-12 17:22
What? Lets say someone wants to get into moba games ,they the research and see that the two most popular games are LoL and dota2, they chose one over the other meaning one of them companies makes money the other does not, If that's not direct competition then what the f is, the only reason they co-exist is because the moba community is huge.
2012-12-12 17:34
No matter how much money you put in PR, the player will not play that game because there is a lot of advertisement, he'll play the game because for some reason he likes it. Yes, there is a competitions between companies, but not between games/community. And don't forget, CSP is free while CS:GO is not, a logical person will try CSP first, before buying CSP. So, if anything Valve should be the one afraid.
2012-12-12 17:56
I don't think your first paragraph is entirely true. Advertisements often convince people that they like something in order to make them purchase. No one would bother with marketing if it wasn't effective.
2012-12-12 21:53
But does it help long term?
2012-12-12 22:29
Portugal luK,ws 
Nice, i support CSP!
2012-12-12 16:35
I find it funny how he basically downgrades himself/the mod not being a competitor of CS:GO.
2012-12-12 16:35
Actually the timing is perfect for cspromod. Before the release of CSGO, 1.6 and CSS competitive was still alive. If CSpromod would have been released then very few 1.6 and source players would have switched to promod. Now that the scene is dead and many players are disappointed with CSGO most of the players would switch to CSP. Alex Garfield is a smart guy !
2012-12-12 16:42
But very few professional cs players are unhappy with CSGO? The competitions picked it up as it was the only fps title with promise but there's no reason for them to drop CSGO for csp.
2012-12-12 16:52
I watched VOD from mOE's stream (I think he's a CS:S/GO professional player?) where he had Alex Garfield on Mumble with him and about 9 other CS:GO players who I'm assuming are high level/pros from the NA scene (I remembered some of the names from old school NA 1.6), and pretty much ALL of them were saying that they hate CS:GO and are only playing it because that's where the money is.
2012-12-12 19:47
And thats what makes them PRO PLAYERs and not just some random casual players playing csp just for the fun of it ;) btw just 1 thing; If your a casual player, why would you even consider playing csp when you could just play 1.6? Nonsense
2012-12-12 20:45
Because, atm, it's free?
2012-12-12 21:55
it was a csp pick up game that moe and some ex-EG/other NA pros were playing
2012-12-13 01:18
take a look at the csgo scene, THE FUCK DUDE? The FUCK The scene will die soon.
2012-12-17 16:09
All that shows is progressive growth after a slump? Do you struggle reading graphs, the thing needs to be consistently going down for it to be dying
2012-12-17 16:20
Latvia GekonsCS 
is he ? I don't think that CSP tournaments at any point will have bigger prize money than CS:GO tournaments, so pro-based players who really earn money with eSports will still play CS:GO and not CSP. I don't really see for example NiP switching to CSP as they are the best in the world and they are earning lots of money and as we know everyone wants to win the big undefeated NiP team, so no one will actually switch untill somone will bring down NiP and that will take some time :D
2012-12-12 17:29
correct me if I am mistaken, CSP is going to be like LoL, free to play with features in which u spend money to buy different skins and stuff, something like cs:o. If CSP invest in tournaments prize money like RIOT is doing with LoL then they can easily put more money on CSP tournaments then in CS:GO cause valve invested 0$ in tournaments prize money in 1.6, cs:s and go all together. This is only possible if CSP gets good amount of players in the first place and if they are going to invest in tournaments prize money.
2012-12-12 18:27
Latvia GekonsCS 
correct me if I am wrong - RIOT who develops LoL is big company which invests millions of dollars into their game and tournaments, and CSP development team is bunch of people (volunteers), who have no money to invest in tournament, nor development, unless their game become a super big success and some company pick them up (which will not happen)!
2012-12-12 18:35
What I wrote was when they make the game and it starts functioning if they make "large" player base (like 1.6 player base steam+non steam) and they gain money from those features in the game if they invest money in tournament prizes they can easily beat go in prize money unless valve invest money too which they didn't do in the past. Just look at the current prize money in cs:go, its around 40-50k and that is not so big. RIOT have to put large amount of cash in prizes because valve promoted dota2 with that 1M $ tour. Who were RIOT before they made LoL ? Same bunch of people (volunteers), it's not like they had a starting capital of millions of dollars, they gained vast amounts of cash from those features and huge player base. LoL is first and the only game they ever released. edit also I'm not stating that csp is going to hit that player base on the first day after the release, but if they hit that number of players they will gain good amounts of cash if the game is going to have those features.
2012-12-12 21:47
Latvia GekonsCS 
than again we come to this - how can they become a big title if they are not competing with CS:GO and cs scene in general ? if they are not getting their players from other cs scenes where will they come from ? when you dream, close your eyes!
2012-12-12 21:58
They will compete, I didn't say anywhere they will not, and garfield was playing mind tricks saying they will not compete with cs:go.
2012-12-12 22:16
Latvia GekonsCS 
Then I misread you, but still have my point that this interview is full of shit, and if this is Garfield's strategy (which maybe will be a success later on) he made himself look like an idiot
2012-12-12 22:51
Denmark kazzb 
yes, Dejan J, you are mistaken.
2012-12-12 21:08
Are u saying that there will be no features in the game or ? If there is not going to be features in the game it would not make a dime and fail big on competitive scene. If there is going to be features there is a possibility that they will succeed.
2012-12-12 22:14
No need for bold abuse. Thank you.
2012-12-12 23:21
dok1 not everything are graphics dude.. i think youre smart enought to know it look at minecraft :D btw im one of the oldest guy who is back to scene steam from 2004 and played all cs versions ^^ yes i sticked 1.5 until valve turn off the servers plz dont rage ~
2012-12-12 16:42
Germany Dok1 
You can also directly reply, there's a button for it! ;) And yes it's true but even if it has the same graphics as CSGO, would you really enjoy playing something that you've played for a decade, just with lower graphics? If yes, then have fun! But maybe some guys need something fresh, something they need to learn ;)
2012-12-12 16:51
with csgo graphics? for sure. CSP has the best gameplay, I like and play CSGO but its movement is so limited that it gets frustrating. If you could just port csp movement (russianw, bunny, etc) to CSGO it would be an amazing game.
2012-12-12 17:12
let me replace "best gameplay" with "gameplay I like the most", then maybe it's true. But others would love to see some new mechanics and features ;)
2012-12-12 17:14
cs scene is shit... they should close all this games and everyone could be happy , so nobody needs to write shit here everyday.
2012-12-12 17:24
you cant possibly compare cs to minecraft. dont even try
2012-12-13 01:20
Canada nehs 
I really hope he isn't serious when he says it's not a competition. Not only is there competition between all FPS games, but there is also competition between each CS game. To deny this is simply ludicrous. Why is there competition? It's obvious. There is not an unlimited supply of players, money, sponsors, etc. People have to choose where they want to allocate their resources (whether it's their time, or their money invested in the game). "We believe our project can be very successful without “taking” any players away from any of the existent Counter-Strike titles." Hmm? how does this make sense? Obviously you're going to be taking players away from the other Counter-strikes, wasn't that the sole purpose of this project to begin with? Trying to infuse the 1.6 and source community into one? Garfield is either retarded or just oblivious. It is clear that he is just speaking out of his ass.
2012-12-12 16:41
completely agree. i have no idea where he thinks the csp players will come from. clearly the game have no appeal whatsoever to the so called casual players. the only ones he could've interested the game with was the competitive scene when 1.6/source was in decline. but now all of them have moved onto CS:GO and in no way are they going to move from that now that there's an established scene with tournaments etc already. also with his Dota 2 vs LoL comparison is completely different, unless he plans on putting tens of thousands of dollars into this game like Riot does with LoL, maybe then he can get a scene going, but without a competitive scene in CSP, there wont be any casual players either.
2012-12-12 17:16
I don't understand your point where the game "has no appeal whatsoever to the so called casual players". Even if the game is called a promod, their goal is to make a really fun to play game. From where I'm sitting already the fact that it is free would make it a far more appealing option to try out as a casual player instead of buying CS:GO for instance. This is of course assuming that they get their supply channels in order, because currently finding CSP as a guy not from the cs community is not so straightforward. Also if the game in some dream world would become great, I think the competitive scene could easily get a head start from the current CS:GO teams because I don't think the base of followers in CS:GO is big enough to warrant holding on to that if something far more promising (and more enjoyable to play) is around. To conclude, I don't really see why CSP would be doomed as an idea, but obviously their development progress would have to be far faster for any of this to be even close to reality. E: But of course the competitive scene would need some tournaments to start with, and knowing Garfield from EG it wouldn't be so far fetched that he could make something happen to bring in money to fund their own tournaments like Riot.
2012-12-12 22:21
well, lets say you've never heard about counter-strike before but are interested in starting to play an FPS game, which game are you most likely to play? CS:GO developed by this game giant Valve or this unknown (in their eyes) mod called CSP? unless Garfield has some completely radical marketing strategy for CSP, the game wont be picked up by newcomers to the genre. unless, of course, the game (by some miracle) manage to create a bigger competitive scene than CS:GO. because if there's a competitive scene, there will be more interest from outsiders and THEN the general public may be perceived to play the game. personally i would like to know where garfield expect the player base to come from, seeing as he doesnt think that it competes with CS:GO at all. newcomers to the FPS genre will either choose the massively popular Call of Duty, or CS:GO. it's all about exposure and CSP has none and i cant for the life of me figure out how they'd get bigger than the aforementioned titles.
2012-12-13 09:26
I think you're right in thinking that the player base will not build 100% organically because new people will not hear about CSP. However, Garfield has stated in moe's stream that they are willing to put in money for tournaments like Valve and Riot (granted, this is in his hypothetical world where the game is ready to go and they have funding for everything). If there is some sort of publicity for the game, then the fact that it is free to play (and hopefully fun) makes the barrier of entry very low for new players. It is not at all impossible that a mod would take over a genre from more established titles if it offers something more than the competitors, in a form that is easily accessible. But of course this is all very wishful thinking when it comes to CSP, because there has been no indication this far that they would be able to separate the game positively from the alternatives, which would make the switch even worthwhile.
2012-12-13 12:19
Latvia GekonsCS 
totally agree :D read my #123 commment!
2012-12-12 17:33
I don't fully agree. Especially compared to moba games, there is overall a big lack of players and followers in team based FPS at the moment, at least judging by Steam statistics or tournament viewer numbers. Thus if one truly wants to build a successful game, especially with a free to play model, it is not at all sufficient to try and steal the players from the current team based FPS scene. Instead, it is necessary to build a community around your game which includes loads of people who weren't part of any of the CS communities in the past. Now I am not at all saying that CSP is a game that can do this, because its updates have been few and far between and I have no inside information which would make me more hopeful about the game. However, the premise on which it is built is interesting. It is free, and it is built by people who I think understand what makes a really good team based FPS game. Consider the following hypothetical scenario where somehow magically the CSP developers get more and more productive, and the game is overall great with good supporting infrastructure (yes, I know this is extremely hypothetical). If it is free to play (obviously with other kinds of money streams), I don't see any reason why loads of people outside the whole team based FPS community wouldn't want to try it out. I am not sure, but it may be that the original intent of CSP was to be the "ultimate" competitive CS, which unites the CS communities. However, as one can see with how EG is doing overall, Garfield has learnt quite a bit over the years, and probably has realized that uniting the CS communities is never really going to happen, and even that wouldn't really be sufficient. Instead, the dream seems to be to have a game that could really bring in new players (and in this the free-to-play model is absolutely crucial), and is just a great competitive team based fps game, no matter that it has CS in its name.
2012-12-12 22:06
Just to add a final point: naturally there is a clear competition between a game like CSP and CS:GO anyway. As someone has stated it is not likely that a tournament would host both of them at any point. However, I can see Garfield's point in the games not directly competing over the same players. It is setting the bar far too low if your goal is to capture the current player base of CS:GO. Thus the goal is to capture new players, and not just the ones already playing a version of CS. And if in a dream world it would happen that CSP would be great, and the masses would come flooding in, there is 0 need for CS:GO at that point and it would be competitively irrelevant. Sadly, this seems to be a far fetched fairy tale at this point.
2012-12-12 22:12
whether he's playing it safe or not, i respect this man's words. maybe all of these deluded sheep will finally stop unsuccessfully attempting to undermine cs:go because their game is dead and csp has the most resemblance. different games, different everything. different leagues too, when it comes to what game will have more players.
2012-12-12 16:44
this is incredibly confusing interview. The message which comes across resoundingly for me is Garfield seems to have no idea what the point of CSP is. TBH, it reads like a translation to english of an interview with a swedish person. From what i have read of CSP in the past, i thought its purpose was to bottle the 'essence' of 1.6, its movement/recoil/models/hitboxes/hit response etcetc so that it was modular and could be carried over to any fps platform. In THAT sense, csp IS incomparable to CSGO, its purpose is completely different. Or maybe i missed something, or parts of the interview were edited out? i dunno.
2012-12-12 16:45
Basically he wants to bring back those "millions upon millions" that either retired from gaming completely or switched to other games and franchises (MOBA for example). Now the question is; HOW does he want to do that? By creating a game with cs1.6 mechanics and source graphics? Next try please.
2012-12-12 16:55
hey look be careful, sometimes there are live bombs in free download
2012-12-12 20:09
There's no hope for promod with this mindset. It has to compete, it has to rip players away from GO. There's no other choice. Unless they're aiming it to be another shitty casual.
2012-12-12 16:48
Makes me think of Baghdad Bob every time I read an interview with him.
2012-12-12 16:51
That is not the biggest obstacle to the success of the project. I do not even think that is an obstacle. Once again, you need to get out of this “CS:GO vs. CSP” mindset. It doesn’t make any sense to me, in the same way that people who talk about “DotA 2 vs. LoL” don’t make any sense to me. It is not a competition. Soooooo True. CS:GO is CS:GO and CS 1.6 is CS 1.6.
2012-12-12 16:57
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
CSPromod is a good game for people like me, and many other players, that don't like CS:GO. Stop with the hate.
2012-12-12 16:58
CSP1.09 is cs1.7 for me.
2012-12-12 17:00
or cs1.7 beta
2012-12-12 17:00
There is an 'Edit' button to add further content to your message after it has been published.
2012-12-12 23:23
This Interview seems so fake and confusing, No Offence. CSP obviously a competitor of CSGO. And for sure it divides the community more without any doubt.
2012-12-12 17:01
CSP is a mod for PC gamers. CS:GO was build for console gamers, getting a PC port later. If you believe they are competitors your standards must be really low.
2012-12-12 17:11
more like the other way around, the console version of csgo runs with less than 30fps (cod runs at 60)plus awful graphics and no updates.
2012-12-12 17:16
hey man, it's obvious cs:go is for console kiddies! can't you not see how valve has updated its cs:go versions like two times total, if that, while the pc community has gotten a barrage of attention that has completely reshaped the game from release?
2012-12-12 17:22
That's what happen when 80% of the maps are filled with fog.
2012-12-12 17:23
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
+1 My mates get 60 fps on Valve made maps, but 150 fps on mirage and mill_b1. Valve suck :)
2012-12-12 17:33
The fog only exists because the consoles could not render the whole maps. So they added crazy amounts of fog to block your view.
2012-12-12 17:40
"CS:GO was build for console gamers, getting a PC port later". No Valves original intentions was to bring a game of CS to console, they brought in CS:S players to come test the game, and at that stage it was pre-alpha. Since then they have gone down the route of PC pretty much, and have directed their efforts in the PC Market, as that's where their strengths lie. Valves intentions at first was a console game, but that suddenly changed during the alpha stage. And with the announcement that Valve are now developing their own version of a "console" which will allow people to play their PC Games through the box and TV, then their intentions are still directly focused on the PC market, as they completely know that Battlefield, CoD & Halo dominate the console FPS market at present.
2012-12-12 17:30
CS:GO started as a CS:S version for the XBL, only sometime after having the game playable in the xbox they decided to go multi-plataform. Only 1.5 year later they invited the CS:S players. The first beta still had assets from CS:S, and I'm pretty sure if you open the console while playing the game you'll see CS:S being mentioned a couple of times.
2012-12-12 17:38
Reading off the Wiki, or actual backed up evidence of the game being out pre 2011?
2012-12-12 17:43
I'm actually the source of the wikipedia article ;) I believe it was said in a video interview. I don't know for sure, since it has been over a year since that was written.
2012-12-12 19:44
If they are not the so called competitors,VALVE should invest money in this project and make it successful?No? And also, where will they get their players from? Some other community?
2012-12-12 18:53
wow, this guy is surprisingly naive. who does he think will play the game/mod if not past CS players? of course they will compete with the CS:GO player base, because that's where all the 1.6/source/cod players have gone. without them who will they appeal to? casual players? no, they dont even know about this mod and have no interest in it, since they're not gonna play competitively either way. but i guess im not surprised, CSP has been a failure for such a long time and this guy is clearly clueless. it kinda bothers me though, since CSP would have been a much more worthy follow-up to 1.6 than CS:GO is.
2012-12-12 17:10
This guy needs to get off his fantasy world, of course CSP is a CS:GO competitor, unless he is aiming for 5k player base max.
2012-12-12 17:10
Finally someone said it. For years the ambition of the CS community has been "We have to move on", "We have to unite in CSS to save the FPS in eSports". Valve delivered the best they could do along those lines to sell the most. Lowered the skill level to make the game easier for newcomers and added the best and worst of both worlds, in terms of mechanics from 1.6 and CSS. CS:GO was never a game that said "You know what, we're taking it to the next level. We're building a whole new experience so CS can be what it was in 2003", CS:GO was basically "So you guys still like the same old boring maps and mechanics, then please take this re-skinned CSS Xbox port with a few new tweaks but nothing major". The focus of CS in the past years has never been "We want to cater all FPS gamers", and that was the problem and failure of CS:GO People who say "CS:GO will be bigger" just make me be ashamed and sad for dedicating 10 years of my life rooting for these people. They know nothing about gaming and try to pretend they know.
2012-12-12 17:14
Greece her-1g 
csgo easier???i cant aim and i play 11 years cs......
2012-12-12 17:23
Well, you could be a bad player... No offence, aside from certain situation where hit registration fucks up really bad, it's pretty hilarious that you can do 5 headshots with a p90 spray while aiming to the hips.
2012-12-12 17:27
So your just too bad. Simple.
2012-12-12 17:27
the skill level was decreased a lot, that's for sure. i mean, there's tons of nubs on top, it's not like f0rest is the best pla... oh wait, talented players that put time into it realize it's not any easier than 1.6? well i'll be damned. i mean, these guys are such assholes that they realized if they made any transcendental changes to counter-strike, its deathly afraid of change community would shun it for being a cod/bf3 clone "with tanks and killstreaks" so they released a mostly unchanged expe... oh, the community is still reluctant to accept the game? color me surprised. well, regardless, i just can't believe they aren't fucking crazy like i am and, like any other company, are looking to make money while doing their best to stay true to their roots. they should have re-released 1.6!
2012-12-12 17:33
No matter how low the speed limit is, faster cars will always reach it quicker than slower cars. 1.6 and CS:S players have the foundations, while noobs don't. A spray game only promotes that, spray. They know they will kill with a spray, so why will they bother to learn to control the recoil? Tatical FPS' don't have tanks or killstreaks. Also, the technology has evolved enough to permit new non-radical features.
2012-12-12 17:48
you literally cannot successfully spray in cs:go if you're beyond a certain distance. i don't understand why it's still called a spraying game, it's just mind boggling. i would agree with you that tapping is not nearly as effective and that the p90 needs some fine tuning. it brings that call of duty hip fire sensation, but every other gun is unusable when holding mouse 1. it's just hypocritical as fuck. some people complain that you can't do 5 man eco spraydowns anymore, that it's uncontrollable, that there's no pattern, etc, but then i see the likes of get_right getting 2k/3k spraydowns every other round. you just fucking suck and refuse to relearn because you would prefer to have it easy. cs:go is as tactical as players want it to be, stop trying to convince yourself that 1.6 was the ultimate difficulty in the fps genre when it doesn't even come close to quake or ut.
2012-12-12 18:02
Portugal wrt 
cs:go is a spray game? I think people should stop talking about what they do not know. It's basically impossible to kill 3 guys with a full in csgo, in 1.6 you easily do an ace with a full..
2012-12-12 18:31
It's basically impossible to kill 3 guys with a full in csgo a) you're using the wrong weapons b) your aim is bad c) you're still getting used to the game d) all of the above
2012-12-12 18:36
Portugal wrt 
ok. Go search on youtube and show me at least 2 aces with a full.
2012-12-12 18:56
"If it's not on tv it doesn't exist!" Good logic chap, and I'm quite sure you'll have some hits.
2012-12-12 18:59
Portugal wrt 
you are just ridiculous, everyone who played 1.6 that have switched to CSGO know it is much more difficult, but still in your ignorance
2012-12-12 19:13
lmao so u chose a clip where someones spraying with the p90 and a clip where someone runs about randomly with the m4 firing all over the place getting very lucky to prove that recoil is controllable in this game? are so uttely clueless as to what people are talking about when it comes to rifle recoil control.
2012-12-13 01:43
everyone who played 1.6 that have switched to CSGO know it is much more difficult man you are so pro in "made up stuff", keep it up ;)
2012-12-12 19:54
Portugal wrt 
lol, explain why the 1.6 players are crying about the recoil in csgo?
2012-12-12 20:43
teach me bro, you are such a pro ;)
2012-12-12 21:05
Portugal wrt 
wtf does that have to do with being pro?
2012-12-12 21:28
all i'm reading from wrt is this. wrt: blah blah *argues* prove it, explain it. schypher: "proves it, explains it" wrt: blah blah *changes argument* prove it, explain it. schypher just whooped your ass. stop replying.
2012-12-12 23:31
Latvia GekonsCS 
The focus of CS in the past years has never been "We want to cater all FPS gamers", and that was the problem and failure of CS:GO Failure of CS:GO ? as far as I know most tournament pick CS:GO as their main FPS title and the number of tournaments doing this is just increasing as is the prize money, so your argument is invalid!
2012-12-12 17:41
Quake 4 and Quake Live also had several major events, that means the game was a sucess? Nope Chuck testa.
2012-12-12 17:49
Latvia GekonsCS 
now compare please the size of Quake community and the size of CS community, and as far as I know 1v1 games are only super-popular in asia, europe is more based on team games such as I don't know - CS:GO! I don't see any other FPS game that has bigger succes nowadays than CS:GO, do you?
2012-12-12 18:02
Most of the CS community started with Quake (if you're old enough) or one of his mods, since that was the first online FPS.
2012-12-12 18:07
Latvia GekonsCS 
Don't see your point here, as we are talking about CS:GO being a success or a failure.
2012-12-12 18:18
That quake has a big number of followers, people who don't play the game but they still watch the matches. Quake is the most basic version of FPS, easy to watch and understand.
2012-12-12 19:23
Latvia GekonsCS 
and what that has to do with CS:GO being a success or a failure ?
2012-12-12 19:26
now compare please the size of Quake community and the size of CS community You're saying CS:GO is successful because it has tournaments, and I'm trying to tell you that later quake titles also had big tournaments and community, but that didn't made the game good or alive.
2012-12-12 19:31
Latvia GekonsCS 
Yeah, CS:GO is succesfull because investors are investing their money in this game and everything nowadays is about the money (if someone tells you otherwise, he is lying for sure). And I am asking you, do you see any other FPS title that is as big as CS:GO is right now ? Quake died because other FPS games where bigger, and had more money invested in them!
2012-12-12 19:41
And I am asking you, do you see any other FPS title that is as big as CS:GO is right now ? my biography might be your answer.
2012-12-12 19:56
Latvia GekonsCS 
how is this "I can expect that games in the future will become more and more normal, ordinary, common and boring as they have nothing to do with any special or creative gameplay but the realistic graphics and kids with low skill and sense of gaming adapt it and worship their fucking realistic games without brain." answering my question ?
2012-12-12 19:58
"And I am asking you, do you see any other FPS title that is as big as CS:GO is right now ?" kids with low skill and sense of gaming adapt it so CS:GO is bigger than any other FPS genre games
2012-12-12 20:17
Activision also invested money in professional COD and it didn't work, even though COD has more players than CS. Bethesda put money on Brink tournaments and the game never took off. World of tanks developer also puts money in tournaments and hasn't been picked by any other major tournaments. It's a hit or miss. You need a big and diverse community, that's the key. Take a look at shootmania, the game is a flop. Only professional players play the game. IPL's $100k tournament was always peaking at 1000 viewers. Why? Because people are afraid when they read a game is made for competitive play, they want to have some fun in the beginning, they don't want to waste their free time in anger rage.
2012-12-12 19:57
Latvia GekonsCS 
You just proved my point that no other FPS game now is as big as CS:GO, and for you information - CoD's main goal was never to go fully competitive, they focus more on console gaming + making a new fucking game every year and every little CoD fanboy will buy it whether it's crap or the shit! Brink?! 1st time hearing of it, I bet that's why it is not big - only few people know this game, so their ad manager is fired by now! WOT is FPS game ? didn't know that! And shootmania is poor attempt to bring back the old quake-like days when 1v1 FPS games was honored and everybody played them...nowadays the only 1v1 game is starcraft 2 which is only big in asia!
2012-12-12 20:04
No it doesn't, you're basically saying "+tournaments > +money = success" and I'm proving you you need a big community (players and viewers) for a game to be a success. CoD's main goal was never to go fully competitive, they focus more on console gaming According to you, all you need is tournaments, COD had MLG tournaments, then activision made the $1.000.000 tournament, both on xbox etc
2012-12-12 20:13
Latvia GekonsCS 
of course you need a community, but where will CSP community come from if not from other cs scenes ? HELLO! He wants to bring back old gamers ? He is dreaming for sure!
2012-12-13 13:27
SC2 only big in aisa... ROFL
2012-12-13 11:21
Latvia GekonsCS 
SC2 in europe is my 50% of what it is in Asia so yeah!
2012-12-13 13:28
SC2 is nothing in Asia..
2012-12-13 15:19
Latvia GekonsCS 
are you serious right now ? :D
2012-12-13 15:37
Absolutely 100%. Korea did not welcome the game with open arms, they've pretty much moved on to LoL. The KESPA-players have transitioned over to SC2 recently, but the audience still isn't there really. It's semibig in Taiwan, not that big in Singapore and China I do not know (they don't have a single top player tho as far as i'm aware). Waaay more money outside korea/asia in SC2, actually a lot of asian SC2-players are transitioning in to LoL because the cash in SC2 isn't there.
2012-12-13 15:41
Latvia GekonsCS 
As far as I know Korea is in Asia, ~top50 players of SC2 are mostly Koreans, and Asia has majority of SC2 tournaments and leagues!
2012-12-13 16:11
Asia has the best player yes, but they have the least amount of tournaments, leauges and money.
2012-12-13 17:26
Latvia GekonsCS 
yeah ofcourse :D keep joking man
2012-12-13 17:39
That's how it actually is, believe it or not. SC2 has constantly had bad rankings in PCbangs in Korea, it has increased this month tho, I think it's the 26th most played game in the PC-bangs over there right now (with WC3, LoL, SC:BW higher).
2012-12-13 17:56
Latvia GekonsCS 
omg I am saying that SC2 in ASIA is way bigger than SC2 in europe for example, not comparing SC2 with LoL or other games!
2012-12-13 17:58
Well SC2 in europe isn't bigger then SC2 in europe, I showed you that asians prefer other games.
2012-12-13 18:39
Latvia GekonsCS 
I quote you: "#432 SC2 is nothing in Asia.." are you brain damaged or something ?
2012-12-13 19:42
It is TRUE. Keep on living in your little bubble.
2012-12-13 19:45
Latvia GekonsCS 
there it is - you have nothing to say so you say this! :D
2012-12-13 19:47
The game is easier you say? now you are going full retard. Most used guns in all versions of cs are colt and ak FACT Ok tell me how you frag,you shoot and spray , now tell me in which game is the spraying harder to control and master? Csgo by far and its not even close, csp is child play. you can ask any pro player that has played 1.6 css or csgo that. The only guns in csgo that are op are the p90 and shotguns.
2012-12-12 17:45
Ok tell me how you frag,you shoot and spray , now tell me in which game is the spraying harder to control and master? Csgo by far Then looks like you still have a lot to learn young padawan.
2012-12-12 17:51
sorry f0rest majesty of skill beg you excuse us all
2012-12-12 19:48
Beware, I'm a Legendary Master Eagle.
2012-12-12 19:59
to know most of top french player at least. For anyone csgo is harder to aim & mostly to spray . Thats why pm are so powerfull on csgo and i think its a good things because we can see more weapons in the game (without thinking people against us are trolling) And i really love the way it become for that weapon even for decoy also to lower power of molotov its a new view of cs i like . Even if i was such a sprayer before i think with silence on m4 we will be able to spray a bit more and even in new update
2012-12-13 03:01
Schypher I love you! :DD
2012-12-12 19:48
Latvia GekonsCS 
"Once again, you need to get out of this “CS:GO vs. CSP” mindset. It doesn’t make any sense to me, in the same way that people who talk about “DotA 2 vs. LoL” don’t make any sense to me." Am I the only one who thinks that this guy still don't realize that there won't be a tournament in the future who will have both CS:GO and CSP, unlike there are many tournaments with both LoL and Dota2...."we are not competing with CS:GO" ?! :D I honestly think this Garfield guy is retarded for saying that, and he has no idea how eSports scene works...but that's just my opinion! GL to CSP in future!
2012-12-12 17:15
Greece her-1g 
you know that alex garfield is the CEO of i dont think that he doesnt know about esports
2012-12-12 17:22
Latvia GekonsCS 
I know who he is, but he talks like blind chicken that doesn't know where he is heading... maybe this whole interview is just a marketing trick, but if it is, he is displaying himself as idiot in my eyes
2012-12-12 17:31
mmm and who are you?
2012-12-12 20:37
Latvia GekonsCS 
if you read the comments here 50% of people have opinion just like me!
2012-12-12 20:41
I found just 1 person who said something like "he talks like blind chicken that doesn't know where he is heading" so, you dont have a point...
2012-12-12 20:56
Latvia GekonsCS 
Then you obviously didn't read comments here!
2012-12-12 21:08
yes I read... I found another 4 guys who thinks like you..
2012-12-12 21:38
Latvia GekonsCS 
Then others are unbelievably enchanted by this Garfield guy I guess, cause all I see is him saying "we are not CS:GO competitors" about 100times!
2012-12-13 08:14
Nice nice :D
2012-12-12 17:21
even a cat garfield likes more CSP
2012-12-12 17:22
Why do you think EG doesnt have a CSGO team?
2012-12-12 17:27
because all the good csgo players in NA are already under contract
2012-12-13 01:25
I've actually been saying something very similar for years. People complaining about the split communities and how promod could bring them together completely fail to realize the true issue with the future of competitive counter-strike, new players. The majority of us, and this saddens me to say this, but we are old timers! In the sense that we're getting to the age where playing video games can't exactly be given our utmost attention. Realistically how many more years could the community have survived? We have players retiring, moving on, etc. at a pretty high rate which is only going to increase over the next few years and all the while we have almost ZERO people actually buying the game and repopulating it. Pub players > Clans/Scrims > Competitive players > Professional players (obviously only a few make it to this point) But right now in the CS community the pub scene is dead, the clan phase is completely gone, and we really just see the competitive/pro players left. What happens when we move on? Who is going to come in and fill our spots? We needed/need a game that got on the top shelves at places like target, best buy, etc. and actually brings in new players by the thousands. CSGO sadly failed to do so. It didnt even scratch the surface of what we needed to have for a new competitive fps. And truthfully, I don't think it was the games fault. I think valve had extremely poor marketing, not enough pub appeal, and frankly I don't think they really believed in it. In my opinion if CSP wants to be successful, it wont be with the half-life 2 engine. It's simply not enough eye candy for the average kid looking at a new game to play. The only way I see them having success is a potential HL3 engine and getting the mod up and running on there as soon as they can. But of course, that will rely on Valve before anything else. I hope I am wrong and the game takes off, believe me I want it just as bad as anyone else, I just dont see it happening...just yet anyway.
2012-12-12 17:27
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
Agreed. Part of the reason I don't like GO is because I know I will never have the time to dedicate to getting good at it as I did in my 1.6 past, as I am an old git now, with lots of work commitments. Also, the game that is going to be the new FPS future does need to be a game that people pick up and instantaneously like the game. CS:GO isn't that. People almost have to force themselves to like it, and only do so because it is the prescribed 'future'. I picked up quake live the other day, and I have never played this game before. I hopped in a game, playing against people that have played for years, and I instantly liked the game, and not to mention got a pretty decent score on it. There was no, this feels weird, or is the community united, I simply just enjoyed playing the game because it was a GOOD game. I think the next best game FPS game will probably be something nobody ever expected, and will start off with a small community that expands due to nothing more than the game being good. Hopefully, with work, that could be CSPromod, but if not, who cares, all I can say for sure is it isn't CS:GO. #oldGitsGaming
2012-12-12 17:43
chrisJ | 
United Kingdom dv-_- 
Sounds like I'm just hating on GO, and I'm not, I do think it's a mediocre game and am currently playing it quite a bit. I just agree that the future will be a new game that can attract new players for no reason other than it being good.
2012-12-12 17:51
"the pub scene is dead, the clan phase is completely gone, and we really just see the competitive/pro players left." This perfectly describes the downfall of quake, and possibly the future of CS.
2012-12-12 19:35
promod is a nice game :) hope it'll get bigger
2012-12-12 17:28
Nice, Thanks MIRAA. GL CSP
2012-12-12 17:36
An interesting interview, although there is a pretty direct undercurrent tone to the interview... that being the very line depicted at the top of the article. It's highly delusional, or it's a very smart error. Been discussing with a few people on Steam around this interview, and someone pointed out that this is a planned strategy for Alex. He is completely refuting the idea of a "united cs scene", because he knows in it's current state with tournaments and top teams on board, and Valves support of the pro players feedback, that CS:GO is the far superior game to CSP and therefore will never compete. What Alex may well be trying to do is implant into people's minds that they can actually compete in both CS:GO & CSP which is where the crossover of players will happen, and how they will bring players in. I think the issue is they have said too much already, if they fail to deliver updates on a fortnight basis now after Sunday, then trust that has already been established, will soon get absolutely knocked back once again, and the project will continue to be looked down upon from a variety of people. They really should not have included the line "updates once every other week" if they are to learn from past mistakes, and perhaps gone with the better worded line of "updates will happen more frequently". I'd be more supportive of such a project had it not been left for dust in the months since CS:GO's release, even if they had post small bits of updates or dev blogs they were working on, to keep the site active, then it would have kept people interested. Thus that is their actual problem.
2012-12-12 17:41
I don't really agree with your logic. I don't see how Garfield would achieve anything by being part of developing a game for years just to make a title where the hope is to get people from a very small community (in comparison) to play his game. It would be an enormous waste of time and effort. This may have been his intention many years ago, but judging from his recent success with EG, I doubt he is setting the bar that low. Although the probability of success seems extremely low, the goal has to be to build a game that can attract a far larger community than CS:GO can. But agreed on the "fortnightly updates" part. I really doubt they can hold onto their promises..
2012-12-12 22:39
As I said its theories being thrown around between my friends that's all.
2012-12-13 03:21
not competitors? biggest bullshit ive ever heard where does he expect to get players from? the LoL community?
2012-12-12 17:43
I think you did't read it well. And, you know, a lot of CS players are playing LoL right now. He said that they wants to bring formers CS players back to the game.
2012-12-12 17:46
i was being sarcastic csp offers absolutely nothing to a brand new gamer. the only people interested in it are either already playing cs1.6/csp/csgo
2012-12-12 22:17
why are people spending time defending csp? don't feed the haters, not worthy. just play whatever you like.
2012-12-12 17:46
CSP is a nice game :D
2012-12-12 17:51
I think his attitude is a bit buttlicking towards Valve... Oh well, Promod feels like a very good game after playing CSGO. A lot of bugs... But its still a lot more entertaining to play.
2012-12-12 17:59
changes in DM (menus) MODELS some textures and make some new visual to the game like a gui or something
2012-12-12 18:29
You know what? I downloaded CSP 1.09 for the 1st time and I like it and I've been playing CS 1.6 for 10 years or so. It's really similar to 1.6 in a lot of ways and has better graphics. So, if there was a choice between CSP and GO, I'd stay with CSP. There's still stuff to fix in that game, but overall CS 1.6 ppl should like that. So far I played for two days and I have positive feeling overall comparing to CS:GO! I also downlaoded CS:GO not long ago and am really really dissaspointed in that cartoonish game. I will still keep it on my hard drive, but if CSP ever starts having championships and will get all the support it needs right now by 1.6 players, I will delete CS:GO from my PC once and for all. Before I tried CS:GO I gave it a chance hoping it ain't going to be bad and I'll learn something new, was ready for it, but after trying it the game is just not good, I don't know how to describe it, but it doesn't even make u wanna play it (IMHO), even though, I played not bad for the beginner on DM server, so it's not that I was S**cking completely, so.... CSP hope u make it! This could be the new CS 1.6 based (kind of) game! CS 1.7 let's say :)) This game could be the game lots of ppl are hoping to have come out ---> CS 2.0. This could/can easily be the new CS that will attract lots of ppl, all the pros will play it, all the known team will play it instead of CS:GO, of course, like I said, if it gets all the support/partners it needs to get at ths stage and if the prizes on tournaments are high enough to attract pro teams to switch from GO to CSP, then it could really be realistic to happen...and you know what? lots of ppl are saying this new CSP version had to comeout earlier and not like 2 years later or something and this way it could have lots of supporter by now, but let me tell ya, I believe that now is actually the best time for CSP to appear on the scene as now lots of ppl already tried GO and are dissapoited in it and believe me lots of them after tring CSP will be happy that it came out...anyway thats IMHO, gotta run to work now... glglgl
2012-12-12 18:41
Seems like CSGO will drop again from the Top 10 most played in steam, probably being replaced by some single player game again. Why would anyone put their hopes in such a pityful game is beyond me. CSP is the future.
2012-12-12 19:18
Have you checked steam stats lately? csgo is gettin stronger and stronger , nice try.
2012-12-12 19:30
Stronger and stronger? Where? Are you nuts?
2012-12-12 19:31
He probably meant stronger drops.
2012-12-12 19:33
Can you tell me how it dropped numbers? Please explain to me. 1 month ago csgo was maxing at 16-18k now its maxing at 23-25k everyday , that's a a drop? And that's FACT btw check the graphs yourself dont take my word for it .This is what I mean about arguing with fanboys on this website I tell them something that's a fact and 3 people quote me saying I'm trolling. Typical fan boys spouting bullshit as usual. Haters gown hate
2012-12-12 19:43
Who is the typical fan boy here homie? You're always complaining about CSP in every topic, saying this game is shit, saying this and that. Ain't defending CSP here, just saying as a realistic person that you're blind to say such a thing. CS:GO numbers are STUCK since the begin and the FACT is that this numbers won't increase. Go and play your CS:GO fan boy, stop posting on CSP topics, if you don't like it, just LEAVE.
2012-12-12 19:47
There's a logical answer for that: -The major games of the year have already been release, played and finished, some of those casual players came back. -There has been 3 sales which increased the population of players, and it's probably going increase again with Christmas vacation and the Christmas sale. -25k has always been the peak during the weekends since release, it's nothing new. And if anything, I'm a gamer, not a fanboy. I play CS:GO, I just hate when people say the game is great and big, which isn't the case.
2012-12-12 20:25
wait a minute. So basicly first u said that it has bigger "drops". Then u admit that it dont have drops, infact it is slowly getting little bit higher numbers. And then u r trying to explain why. Thats some solid logic right there supporting ur first post man. But i guess its better to prove by yourself that u wrote bullshit rather than hear it from anyone else right ? :D
2012-12-12 21:48
Lmaaaaoooo , I just come back and saw this thanks bro I don't even have to waste time reply to him myself.
2012-12-12 23:02
The "stronger drops" is obvious sarcasm LOL I was just laughing at him when he said the community was getting "stronger and stronger", the numbers have been steadily going down, with some peaks during specific times but that's it. The numbers are not getting "stronger and stronger", anyone with a pair of eyes can see that lol
2012-12-12 23:18
Once again . "Have you checked steam stats lately? csgo is gettin stronger and stronger , nice try." steam stats stronger and stronger steam stats stronger and stronger Not once in any of my posts did I say the community is getting stronger and stronger. Me and you both know you made yourself look like a fool with these last couple statements, don't embarrassed yourself further and lets leave it there.
2012-12-12 23:24
Stronger and stronger, almost in the pole position of the most played games on steam.
2012-12-12 23:29
2012-12-12 23:32
haha :D
2012-12-12 21:25
troll somewhere else plz.
2012-12-12 19:38
still has more than 300 competitive players unlike csp. have fun playing with bots in the future
2012-12-12 20:00
GO will have 300 total players in a couple of months no doubt.
2012-12-12 20:11
World dzc 
"CSP not a GO competitor" you dont say
2012-12-12 19:45
Denmark une 
cs:go is fun, sort of.. It has its moments in ffa, a lot more variating than other cs titles. But cs1.6 and cs:promod has a deeper and more intelligent gameplay that makes for better competitive play.. Not that u can't play competitive in cs:go, but 1.6 and promod just takes it to a higher level and better understanding of what makes a good competitive game. CS:GO is plain boring to watch competitively, and the gameplay/tactics/flow doesn't variate much because there's no reason to go super stealth, or execute super focused tactics or for that matter to develop a unique and individual playstyle... Promod has that potential, cs:go do not.. Of course u can run around like every player does in cs:go, W pushed down and aiming/spray and throw around awesome headshots or awp kills, but you wont experience the same depth in go as in 1.6 or promod.
2012-12-12 19:51
You kiddin, right? GO is more teamplay than 1.6. 1.6 was skill game, if you had good aim in hand, you won the game. Where was teamplay in 1.6? If you don't had aim in hand, none tactic help you to win. In GO if you have good tactic you can win with better team and THAT IS TEAMPLAY GAME! In 1.6 full auto and had 2-3 frags. In GO full auto? Haha! Full auto and you shot in sky. 1.6 is legendary and the best game. But GO is very good game too.
2012-12-12 20:38
"We do not think CSP is a better game than CS:GO." Such an honest person.
2012-12-12 19:55
the interviewer is obviously a cs:go fan, always bringing it up. CSP is a better game then CS:GO, gameplay and graphics vise.
2012-12-12 20:11
no, new kids like "realistic graphics" not neat and tidy one like CSP there must be many "decorations" and it will be realistic.
2012-12-12 20:21
pointless to reply me with this steam stats, off topic
2012-12-12 21:04
yeah they just need extra features not the old good game ... They need a place where they can drive the cars..and climb the trees and open the boxes to Hide. :D GO would have been so much better than. It would have been much better if GO allowed the players to build houses,camps,tents LIKE IN THE REAL WORLD.The game would have been much more realistic than it is today.Thou GO is still a NEW GAME. Hope valve will add these extra features in their updates in later future.Keep frag'n. :)
2012-12-13 11:45
yeah it may attract many kids to play it as a competitive game! Valve should hire you and abandon their shitty source engine.
2012-12-13 12:27
haha that Valve !
2012-12-13 14:36
CS:GO is and will be the CS title for a while. I doubt CSP will be able to change that. And as someone already mentioned there will only be one FPS title at most tournaments, so they could become competitors. Well only if CSP manages to get in any major tournaments.
2012-12-12 20:21
If you want to play a game like 1.6, why not just play 1.6.
2012-12-12 20:30
Aren't people comparing cs:go with source? Just asking.
2012-12-12 20:37
only butthurt 1.6ers
2012-12-12 20:59
I'm always seeing this stupid phrase here. The answer is this: 1.6 have almost 10 years now, lost his competitive scene and who played this for the last 12 years like me, got little tired about it. CSP isn't a remake of 1.6. There will be new things. CSP it's just similiar to 1.6. Just phrase is ridiculous
2012-12-12 20:39
yea they dont know what else to say,retarded phrase really,some of us would like to see csp played competitively and not a lower skill ceiling game like csgo.
2012-12-12 21:18
United Kingdom krucial 
2012-12-14 02:43
Garfield such a wise man, and thanks for hyping CSP guys, it will be a success, mark my words.
2012-12-12 21:34
CSpromod amazing game.
2012-12-12 22:09
Dominican Republic Okieant33 
The low level of reading comprehension in this thread is disturbing. If you guys actually read and understand what Garfield is saying, you wouldn't react like retards to the interview. I implore you people to read the WHOLE interview thoroughly and understand Garfield's vision. Then come back and post. Jesus you guys are dumb.
2012-12-12 22:27
garfield doesnt have a vision. he knows jackshit about cs. he wasnt even involved with the original eg cs team and pretty much didnt come in until after cgs which means who gives a fuck what the guy thinks. i wonder if he has even ever played cs?
2012-12-12 22:35
Garfield is just saying what the die hard 1.6 community want to hear, the guys who refuse to switch to Go and integrate. cs:go wins though, stop wasting your time hoping that something is going to come out that is like 1.6, its not. "Be open minded or quit if it's not fun." The questions in the interview were good, he has missed the boat by a mile and don't waste your time hoping. It's a project that has taken way too long for whatever reasons and has never delivered much promise. As for the things Garfield said, its not that people don't understand, its that you're a fanboy and talking about his "vision" when unfortunately it's nothing more than a dream and is just going to fail.
2012-12-12 22:45
Glory days
2012-12-12 22:33
Die hard 1.6ers/CSPers = only play pub 1.6 and has struggled to reach mid skill, doesn't want to change to a different game and learn new mechanics and doesn't have the money to upgrade their computers. Die hard sAucers/GOers = Used to playing a game with a small competitive scene and they will support anything that isn't 1.6 just because it reminds them of when 1.6 was big and sAuce was dead, so they don't want the same situation again of them playing a minor game GO(sAuce) while CSP succeeds(1.6). Sick gamers = don't give a fuk what they are playing because they are far better than 90% of the player base and own it up in any game.
2012-12-12 22:45
2012-12-12 23:08
Because I'm the hero Counter Strike deserves, but not the one it needs right now...and so you'll hunt me, because I can take it. Because I'm not a hero. I'm a silent guardian, a watchful protector...a dark knight.
2012-12-12 23:12
best batman movie ever
2012-12-13 00:20
Haha I love the text combined with you're hltv name
2012-12-13 09:19
this game is fucking awesome.
2012-12-12 22:52
i like promod, it fixes the few things 1.6 had wrong with it. The look of promod is we all agree better than 1.6. However its not as pretty as GO, but there's that similarity again with LoL vs Dota. People play the different games because of mechanics not looks, at least in my eyes. Promod, also from pubbing it in some euro servers, from the states, reduces the importance of having low ping greatly. Most half life 1 and quite a few half life 2 games are dependent on ping. In promod I feel as if my recoil control and registry isn't as effected by ping over 60 which is a great thing for anyone. My biggest complaint about go is no matter how long I DM or aim_map - I never feel like I have mastered the gun play of any weapon. Sure you can say this makes for a better game of tactics\strategy because the game isnt always aim based; but i find myself always really pissed about it the most in 1v1's or 1x2/1x3 when there isnt much "tactics" to those kind of rounds - they are instead most of the time aim based especially if the other team your playing is even decent at trading kills. When i found myself in those situations in 1.6 i had confidence in myself winning the round atleast a little bit no matter the situation, because i practiced my aim and reflexes so much. Basically what Im saying is - Every time I launch GO, the game feels foreign even with the 400 hours i already spent playing the game. I'm not sure if anyone else feels this way but this is how i feel and why i dont enjoy go as much as others.
2012-12-12 23:12
"The goal of our project is to bring back the millions, upon millions, upon millions of players that have left the team-based FPS community" Current player count: 390 Can't really see this happening, mostly because I don't think millions, upon millions wants to play Counter-Strike again just because Counter-Strike 1.6 just had a makeover, that still looks 10 years old. To bring in new players you need to bring in something new, not just slightly updated graphics, textures and models.
2012-12-12 23:16
hahahah, true
2012-12-12 23:20
"To bring in new players you need to bring in something new not just slightly updated graphics, textures and models." new kids don't even know what is CS 1.6 or how to play it, so the 1.6 gameplay is new for them isn't it?
2012-12-13 12:33
Summer | 
Korea dafNaY 
A talking cat? What is this sorcery?
2012-12-12 23:24
i like you.
2012-12-13 04:13
Played CS since 1.3, FPS for about 15 years(Doom. Wolfenstein, Quake, Half-life, Duke Nukem 3d) Played CS:GO for a month, and after that played CSP 2 weeks. CSP 1.08,1.09 is much better game than GO.
2012-12-12 23:26
agreed sir
2012-12-13 06:08
Been playing since the release of 1.5 and I can honestly say that i prefer CS:GO. To each it's own I guess.
2012-12-13 13:42
amazing game !!! , in my opinion, this is the best personification of 1.6, but.... cs:go is supported by steam, I hope steam see the work that has been done
2012-12-13 00:12
by the time you ever release this game the graphics that you set out to update will be dated. when will it be ready? "at least 3 months" LOL,get real haha... there will be this same news story around in another years time with more stuff about updates hahaha
2012-12-13 00:58
well this game still not rdy but in good way :)
2012-12-13 02:00
bored , guys raging each other since 1 week because a game, play what you want , be happy ^ btw, i personally playing csp, long live csp :D
2012-12-13 02:32
you are cool man
2012-12-13 02:45
" play what you want , be happy ^" 1.6 community don't understand this
2012-12-13 03:27
hope csp becomes more popular than csgo cuz its based on a better game.
2012-12-13 02:56
Anyone else have trouble signing up for the CSP forums? None of my email acounts will register there...not doing themselves any favours making it such a nightmare to register over there...
2012-12-13 02:57
That's odd. Send me a PM and I'll see what's wrong with your registration.
2012-12-13 03:25
Cmon csp!! :D u can do tis
2012-12-13 03:14
If csp dont get attention by tournaments and such, i rather play SC2 more seriously. In that sense I agree that csgo and csp are totally different and not competitors, cause I dont even consider GO a serious relevant option as a subjective preferences of mine, totally different feel and mechanics. They migth however be competitors in the eyes of promoters and sponsors, but not in the level of player i think, cause i know many feel and share this thougth
2012-12-13 03:54
cs:p only needs a bomb,and by that i mean a big tournament with a good price so people will see it/try it and pros will play it cause they want the money.
2012-12-13 04:32
At the end of the day, people will play where the competitions are.. From a sponsors standpoint, CSGO will remain a much more polished game.
2012-12-13 04:39
1.6 wasn't a polished game by any standard, but it had all the players behind it so it became the most popular FPS game. Same could happen with CSP. Not instantly, no, but if the new generation picks CSP up over CS:GO it could turn into a dynastia. Though I doubt that will happen, since CSP is a blast from the past, and CS:GO will probably be the more attractive version, even if CSP is better gameplay-wise (which I think could very well happen).
2012-12-13 06:26
well said
2012-12-13 09:44
Looking at the steam statistics, it seems that people surely do not play the game where the competitions are. Sure, the top end of the scene will want to compete, but a great esports title needs the masses of players who want to watch the games behind the top players. From a sponsors standpoint, the viewer numbers CSGO gets are really low in comparison to other esports titles, and the game hasn't shown much potential for growth in that regard. Justifying 5 salaried players with this kind of a follower base is very hard. At this pace the scene of CS:GO will become more like the one of CS:S, where there are teams competing, but nearly no teams are really "professional" and have to work on the side etc.
2012-12-13 12:25
the worlds changed cunts, wake the fuck up and smell the roses
2012-12-13 07:45
looking forward to this csp it has the feeling of 1.6 and if it take over and pick up in the events and tournaments it'll be fun and great. gudluck in the future csp!!
2012-12-13 07:56
Everyone should be smart about this. You should not invest time in CSP yet, it may very well be pointless. I know many of you want it to succed but this is 2013 now, not 1999 when you had no options. The thing is, even if all the 1.6 community switch over to CSP it will still be a "small game" compared to DOTA2, LoL and SC2 with all the problems that made 1.6 go away. Why would CSP succeed where 1.6 failed? Dont tell me that it's the "updated graphics" because CSP looks like a pile of shit right now, it's actually worst then 1.6. ps if you wonder why would CSGO succeed with a small comunity, it's because VALVE it's a giant that can push this game to DOTA2 level.
2012-12-13 08:28
I WANT cs 1.6 back :)
2012-12-13 08:45
Yeah, I agree
2012-12-13 09:18
Is this guy the same Alex Garfield who is CEO of Evil Geniuses?
2012-12-13 10:11
Yes it is.
2012-12-13 10:26
I dont think CSP will make a mark in the community. CSP 1.08 came so long back, still very few shifted to it as 1.6 was dominating. These people should have announced it before CSGO as now CSGO still people dont like it but forcibly playing that game. Alexander Garfield the biggest fool didnt understand the question of HLTV, that CSGO is a stumble block for CSP success? Yes, its true as major CS plrs have already shifted to CSGO( NIP, Fnatic, NAVI, ESC, Mousesports, Anexis) then who are left to play CSP internationally? Lol. He should have been sensible to release it earlier and get the event organizers to force people quit 1.6 and play CSGO. We all follow 1.6 game bcos of major Intl teams play that. And if these major clans don't play CSP then not much people would be interested in watching the game. Yes, we can play this game <3 its really nice, this is what we expected to be in 1.6. I hope major intl clans quit CSGO and play CSP as its faster and there will be great fight.
2012-12-13 11:49
cs1.6 business became stagnant at a stage.Now with the advent of GO and CSP both the groups will gain some extra ounce in their pockets. :D Competitive ya? If people stop'd going to the major tourneys wat will happen to the game.They will kill them again.Nice business,nice world... Can't figure out who are the gamers ,the developers or the Players.
2012-12-13 11:50
Poland kRAMERO 
+1 and the last sentence is good question;)
2012-12-13 20:11
nice try, cat
2012-12-13 11:55
Its not a competitor because its absolutely appalling
2012-12-13 11:55
2012-12-13 12:34
garfield tha cat cs promod is shit, same as cs go
2012-12-13 12:42
CSP no competitor, CSP is a winer!!!
2012-12-13 13:19
Sweden addi- 
It is kinda obvious that it doesn't matter which game you like the most unless you're a casual player. Pro players will play the game that has the most events and a higher prize sum.
2012-12-13 13:53
Norway duffz00r 
2012-12-13 14:11
I woulda played CSP... then CSGO came out.
2012-12-13 16:40
I feel sad for Garfield, because most of the community won't understand his opinion. It is a great point of view, not seeing any enemies/competitors or something, they are just doing their thing, plus, it's different. Not bad, not good, different.
2012-12-13 16:58
GO will be 100x better than CSP once I can silence my m4.
2012-12-13 17:30
CSP all the way!
2012-12-13 17:36
CSP. Nuff said
2012-12-13 18:30
2012-12-13 19:50
this is beautiful, we play, we decide what is good, not Valve, I'll try Promod, and so to be clear, CSGO makes me laugh, fuck you CSGO!!
2012-12-14 02:44
Russia xavikz 
We all want CS Pro Mod. CS:GO - thnx and bb
2012-12-14 12:19
1.6 and promod will be two beautiful games to play.
2012-12-14 17:19
success it seems CSP Cheers!! :D
2012-12-14 18:23
1.6 and promod! I enjoy gameplay more than graphics. Sorry cs:go fanboys...
2012-12-14 21:24
I would say YES!
2012-12-14 21:29
good luck CSP
2012-12-14 21:59
Destroy cs:go pls
2012-12-14 22:14
pretty dumb questions ....seriously whoever took this interview is a disgrace
2012-12-14 22:31
2012-12-15 03:36
that's our choice :-}
2012-12-15 03:42
smoker<3neo wath funny retard
2012-12-15 13:58
promod the best game
2012-12-15 14:00
CS Promod is the best CS version since CS 1.6 and the fact that they're working hard to make it better gives me smile on the face.
2012-12-15 22:15
cs promod NOT because is bulshit caracter is so funny:O chhh NOT but cs:go match better ! STAY CS : GO !RULLZZ my opinion
2012-12-16 04:35
CS GO is for kids lol. the movements are not challenging..its like COD
2012-12-17 10:01
2012-12-17 12:32
2012-12-17 13:22
All you people that is not believing that this will work look here. Today: Cs 1.6 current:12,154 Peak: 58,210 CS:GO Current:8,850 Peak: 23,713 What do you think will happen when all the 1.6 guys switch over? Do you know that 1.6 is still big in countries like russia and brazil? Even asia? They don't have great computers and they don't care about big graphics, but! They are fucking many. CSP is not a game which need much resources. The rest are as Alex said "sleeping" counter strike players who now play other game or just stopped gaming. In example me! Don't take my word for it? I fought with claws and beak for 1.6 to not die. But CSP is now good enough that I can let it take over. This is the same as sc2 taking over for sc1. No one ever thought it would happen in korea but now even proleague is switching. Moba Dota2 LoL HON Fps CSP Quake Live Rts SC2
2012-12-18 06:37
this news is like a week old and hltv is still repping it front and center on the much did alex garfield pay you?
2012-12-19 17:00
Those who really liked Counter-Strike will switch to CS:PROMOD. Simple thing, CS:GO is like Metal Gear Rising, A Spin-off of the Saga, but not really related the real Saga. Promod is instead the future of the previous episods, because you can feel the soul of a CS game in it.
2012-12-22 21:10
2012-12-25 17:08
GO csp!!!!!!!!!
2012-12-30 08:20
CsPromod , Still better than cs:go !!! 1- Cs1.6 2- CsPromod 3- SEGA 4- CS:GO
2013-01-04 14:34
CSP ESL Winter League 2013 - Signup now - We have to show to the ESL that we want to play CSPromod! -
2013-01-04 15:22
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